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Boyfriend strange with money

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Midfortiescamb · Yesterday 23:00

My boyfriend is confusing me. Been together about 1.5 years, both 47, divorced. I have three kids, shared custody, he has two who are 15 and 12 and he sees every other weekend. He's lovely with my kids and easy to be around, bit over chatty but fine. He's generally kind and patient and has gotten over pushing us to live together which was driven by the fact that he hates paying rent but has now put an offer in on buying his own house. There's a money issue though and I've tried to be fair and patient...on our first date he didn't take his card out to pay, so I did and he later said he liked that I didn't expect him to pay (I didn't tbh but told myself why should the man pay). He paid for our second date in a simple Vietnamese place but I could feel his tension shuffling his cards choosing which one. But he was sweet so we carried on. Our first road trip he drove so I offered petrol money, he accepted and from then on it was clear I'd pay half for petrol. Meals were always split. I spoiled him as I like to on his bday in a lovely restaurant and gifts etc. On my bday he got me a pair of earrings on sale on Etsy which were pretty and took me to a restaurant but tensely said 'is this the kind of place you get starters' so I obviously said no need and only got a cheap main. He told me the other part of my gift was he'd take me for a hike and I wouldn't have to pay half for petrol. He cried a bit the next morning after I was honest after he asked me were the gifts not good and I gently said that petrol thing wasn't really normal. A few weeks later when he said he wanted to see me so would go to his fave Chinese on the way and bring it to mine without offering to get me some I calmly told him I'm struggling with this constant splitting of things, he should trust that I'm not after his money and I took him out to celebrate his new job etc. I am a generous person. To make up for the bday he bought me flowers but mentioned how they're good value in Morrissons, where they were from. Fast forward to this bday coming up in two weeks...I was honestly so nervous about him spoiling it so I booked myself a cottage in Wales for a couple of days and it hurt him but I told him to please not take it personally. My ex husband upset me on my bdays and I could do with a couple of days to myself but really, I know boyfriend isn't good at romance and I couldn't face another awkward meal. Anyway, twice over the last few weeks he has mentioned how he budgeted for my present (a hot water bottle) last month so this month he's budgeting for the meal. He earns £50k and only gives his ex wife the amount the child support calculator asks of him which is around £200 ish per month, he says because she gets children's allowance: not my business but I do think kids cost more and his daughter is autistic so needs therapy. Anyway, he then asked whether I want to go to the restaurants i took him to on my bday, I said, please - you choose. He said 'I'll just take you to the one you took me to'. I said to him, my love, please can we just not do bdays, anniversaries, Xmas (he got me a five pack of socks)...let's free ourselves, there's something awkward/tense with money and its making me uncomfortable, feeling like work/burden. He got very upset and said he couldn't feel more hurt or empty and is now not really talking to me! Its been 2 days. I told him he'd never expressed any kind of excitement about my bday and I just don't want this heaviness. There are just so many money orientated odd things...like he bought me pink salt and I said it was lovely and he said '£1'. I know his ex wife said he was controlling about money but he said she expected him to be the bread winner and was financially abusive: obviously I don't know the full story. It all just feels so awkward and I don't like how he's gone cold. Otherwise he's very affectionate and sweet....not selfish in bed but a bit predictable. Anyway....thoughts?

OP posts:
sweatingmyarseoff · Today 10:00

Sod that for a game of soldiers. People that have to reckon up every penny don't share my values. I had a friend like this,I distanced myself and feel better for doing so.

banmusk · Today 10:13

If you do decide to stay with him op I think your best bet is to only ever spend as much on him as he spends on you. And never ever agree to cohabit.

ERthree · Today 10:17

Imagine how wonderful life would be without such drama. I understand your ex husband was abusive but please understand you do not have to be in a relationship, it is fine to go solo. In fact the happiest women i know are single.

BurnoutGP · Today 10:18

Was he hoping to live with you? Do you own your house? Screaming Cocklodger. End it now before you yet in too far.

chocoluv · Today 10:20

ToohotToohotToohot · Today 09:55

@Midfortiescamb Are you from the US?
You say 'hike' and 'gas station' when in UK we'd say walk and garage.

I guess it's not relevant but you're dating a man child.

His behaviour is ridiculous.

Set your bar higher.

Edited

I’m from the UK and say hike.

Plus I can’t see where OP has said gas station, only that she’s said petrol station.

BoomBoomMrFox · Today 10:20

Havent read all the comments but how about having a joint credit card for joint expenses such as meals out and you each contribute half of the balance to pay it off each month. You could have a joint current account too to pay the credit card off but that’s not necessary

Scrap that, I’ve just read all the OPs comments and it’s clear she has already checked out of the relationship so no point in the above suggestion. I thought the rest of it was good

VictoriousPunge · Today 10:23

FetchezLaVache · Yesterday 23:31

Your standards should be what you would want for your children.

He wanted to move in with you (to save himself money) but you resisted - so there's a good start. I imagine that was driven by the knowledge that his moving in early on wouldn't be the right thing for your children. You're clearly an excellent mother, so just view everything through the prism of what's right for your children - the treatment you wouldn't want them to accept, the behaviours you don't want modelling to them. If it's not good enough for them, it's not good enough for you.

This is brilliant advice.

thisandthats · Today 10:29

I'm with others this is a red flag.

My husband is really similar and it's pretty exhausting. He's had therapy and basically it's all about control, so actually the money isn't the thing really in itself, it's the control of it and the ability to control situations and people's feelings whilst using money as an excuse (ie: being unkind but saying the reason is money and not unkindness).

When we look at it that way it explains why it's such a red flag basically. If he stopped being like this about money he'd start controlling something else - what you wear or where you go. This goes way deeper than just being tight. He needs a lot of therapy and you need a new boyfriend x

Silverbirchleaf · Today 10:31

Not a good idea. Firstly, why should op incur debt? Dp is unwilling to pay upfront, so it’s unlikely he’ll pay of the credit card. He’ll leave it up to Op to pay it off.

ThatMintMember · Today 10:33

Sounds very unattractive! Being tight is not a nice quality. I'd be curious if there was a reason why though? My DH confessed to me he had around £15k of debt when we'd been dating about 6 months. I appreciated the honesty and helped him get it paid off by not being too extravagant and we're all good now.

Wishimaywishimight · Today 10:35

He bought you a hot water bottle for your birthday and had to budget for that (on a £50k salary? Yeah, he's mean as fuck. This is his mindset, he's not going to change.

You sound like a generous person, you will lose your mind if you stick with him. Joyless, miserable and resentful - that would be your future. I don't care how lovely he is otherwise, his stinginess will eventually over-ride any good qualities he has.

banmusk · Today 10:37

BurnoutGP · Today 10:18

Was he hoping to live with you? Do you own your house? Screaming Cocklodger. End it now before you yet in too far.

My guess is that the op owns her own property and also earns more than this man. This and the fact that she's a kind person is what attracted him to her; he thought he could free ride on her largess, but even while he's exploiting her he's jealous and bitter about the fact that she earns more and owns more. In his mind that means she out ranks him, he feels as if he is the lesser person and he can't handle it so he resorts to exploiting her financially and denigrating her.

Stationbike · Today 10:39

Midfortiescamb · Today 00:01

I really do. And you know what, he had bad erectile dysfunction for our first six months due to years of sexual rejection from his wife and I was so compassionate and helped him get back to great function. Asshole!!!!

I can well imagine his wife didn't want her near him.🤢🤮

NovaF · Today 10:40

How is being single better than being with this stingy, thoughtless man. He cried because when he asked if his presents were crap you said yes. That is repellant! How do you not have the ick for everything, but especially for someone that is getting you a hot water bottle as a gift in the middle of a heatwave! Hot water bottles are probably the cheapest things you could but and that is why he is getting it for you. First red flag was when he said he wanted to live with you so he doesnt have to pay rent. Tight and gross

MaturingCheeseball · Today 10:41

I detest mean people. It takes over their life and spills into other behaviour, a whole “Why should I?” outlook on life.

There’s no backstory/excuse either. Many, many people grew up in poverty and may be careful - but still not stingy and looking to avoid paying their way or even ripping others off.

I’m sorry to say that I have encountered too many stingy and mean-spirited people in my life (Fil is the overall winner) to tolerate one single one more.

If I were OP he’d have lost me on the first date… I of course always pay my way but to see someone hanging back and doing the old forgotten my wallet/phone out of charge thing… UGH.

bonkersbongo · Today 10:43

Madamefroufrou · Today 05:08

He sounds very odd, likely autistic, unappealing and frankly, weird.

You’re awful

rainbowstardrops · Today 10:45

I’d have binned him long ago! It’s not just his tightness with money but the fact he thought a hike with you not having to pay half for the petrol, a hot water bottle and a pack of socks are suitable gifts for your partner! Why not a romantic picnic or something? I’d cut my losses I think.

MageKing · Today 10:45

On the first date, did you pay for BOTH Of you? Because if you did, that was the point you should have ditched him. Totally fine to go dutch and while I haven't had a first date in a long time, I think I would be more comfortale with that, but no way should you have paid.

There are so many covert narcissistic type men being talked about on MN at the moment.

TrainedByTheBiddyMafia · Today 10:47

Midfortiescamb · Today 07:03

Less than £20

Please come back later today to tell us you’ve broken up with him, if he’s truly that hard up there’s others ways he can do nice presents. For example for the hike he could have made a nice picnic at home for the cost of petrol station sandwiches. He’s showing you how much effort he thinks you’re worth.

TFImBackIn · Today 10:48

Midfortiescamb · Yesterday 23:39

Thank you very much. That means a lot. My children are my world and I have a wonderful career in medicine caring for patients. He just sent me a cold message saying we need to talk but not tonight, I said not for a while thanks! I'm going to focus on my babies and patients. Just sad I introduced them to him and they will need to see another break up.

No, you're showing your children that you don't have to accept the unacceptable and that you end a relationship when you feel the time is right and do it without adding drama to it yourself. Those are valuable lessons.

CarbootJunction · Today 10:49

You lost me at hot water bottle.

EarthSight · Today 10:50

He earns £50k and only gives his ex wife the amount the child support calculator asks of him which is around £200 ish per month, he says because she gets children's allowance: not my business but I do think kids cost more and his daughter is autistic so needs therapy

I know his ex wife said he was controlling about money but he said she expected him to be the bread winner and was financially abusive

Actually it is your business OP, because how he treats his won children is meaningful.

I think you need therapy. There must be a reason why you're accepting crumbs like this and it's important for you to understand why before you embark on other relationships.

He is either in serious debt or he is selfish and tight fisted to the extreme. The latter type of person will never be part of a team - they don't value it, and want to carry on through life almost as if they're single.

If he has two children, he is currently giving his children, who have additional needs, £25 each MONTH. I think the upkeep of some pets cost more than that, but this is how he treats his own children. This alone should send you running for the hills.

I would love to get his ex wife's version. Was she financially abusive, or did she have the audacity to expect him to step up when she was pregnant and with small children? Did she expect him to start acting like partner, instead of money counting to the point it made her feel like a stranger?

Anyway, twice over the last few weeks he has mentioned how he budgeted for my present (a hot water bottle) last month so this month he's budgeting for the meal

Budgeting for a hot water bottle?? Run for the hills OP.

Goatsarebest · Today 10:54

The ex says he was controlling with money. That's another level above being stingy. That's not somewhere yiu want to be, especially if you are naturally generous nature. It will drive you to the brink of insanity.

MaturingCheeseball · Today 10:56

Ha! Reminds me of when a bloke asked dsis out for dinner, and when she agreed he said, “Right - i’ll look out for a 2 for 1 voucher then.” 😭

AMurderofMurderingCrows · Today 10:57

Was your hot water bottle one of these or from Primark?

Nothing wrong with primark but not exactly a luxury birthday gift

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