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Boyfriend strange with money

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Midfortiescamb · Yesterday 23:00

My boyfriend is confusing me. Been together about 1.5 years, both 47, divorced. I have three kids, shared custody, he has two who are 15 and 12 and he sees every other weekend. He's lovely with my kids and easy to be around, bit over chatty but fine. He's generally kind and patient and has gotten over pushing us to live together which was driven by the fact that he hates paying rent but has now put an offer in on buying his own house. There's a money issue though and I've tried to be fair and patient...on our first date he didn't take his card out to pay, so I did and he later said he liked that I didn't expect him to pay (I didn't tbh but told myself why should the man pay). He paid for our second date in a simple Vietnamese place but I could feel his tension shuffling his cards choosing which one. But he was sweet so we carried on. Our first road trip he drove so I offered petrol money, he accepted and from then on it was clear I'd pay half for petrol. Meals were always split. I spoiled him as I like to on his bday in a lovely restaurant and gifts etc. On my bday he got me a pair of earrings on sale on Etsy which were pretty and took me to a restaurant but tensely said 'is this the kind of place you get starters' so I obviously said no need and only got a cheap main. He told me the other part of my gift was he'd take me for a hike and I wouldn't have to pay half for petrol. He cried a bit the next morning after I was honest after he asked me were the gifts not good and I gently said that petrol thing wasn't really normal. A few weeks later when he said he wanted to see me so would go to his fave Chinese on the way and bring it to mine without offering to get me some I calmly told him I'm struggling with this constant splitting of things, he should trust that I'm not after his money and I took him out to celebrate his new job etc. I am a generous person. To make up for the bday he bought me flowers but mentioned how they're good value in Morrissons, where they were from. Fast forward to this bday coming up in two weeks...I was honestly so nervous about him spoiling it so I booked myself a cottage in Wales for a couple of days and it hurt him but I told him to please not take it personally. My ex husband upset me on my bdays and I could do with a couple of days to myself but really, I know boyfriend isn't good at romance and I couldn't face another awkward meal. Anyway, twice over the last few weeks he has mentioned how he budgeted for my present (a hot water bottle) last month so this month he's budgeting for the meal. He earns £50k and only gives his ex wife the amount the child support calculator asks of him which is around £200 ish per month, he says because she gets children's allowance: not my business but I do think kids cost more and his daughter is autistic so needs therapy. Anyway, he then asked whether I want to go to the restaurants i took him to on my bday, I said, please - you choose. He said 'I'll just take you to the one you took me to'. I said to him, my love, please can we just not do bdays, anniversaries, Xmas (he got me a five pack of socks)...let's free ourselves, there's something awkward/tense with money and its making me uncomfortable, feeling like work/burden. He got very upset and said he couldn't feel more hurt or empty and is now not really talking to me! Its been 2 days. I told him he'd never expressed any kind of excitement about my bday and I just don't want this heaviness. There are just so many money orientated odd things...like he bought me pink salt and I said it was lovely and he said '£1'. I know his ex wife said he was controlling about money but he said she expected him to be the bread winner and was financially abusive: obviously I don't know the full story. It all just feels so awkward and I don't like how he's gone cold. Otherwise he's very affectionate and sweet....not selfish in bed but a bit predictable. Anyway....thoughts?

OP posts:
Backstop · Yesterday 23:04

He is mean. To his children and you. It’s a desperately unattractive trait and you deserve better.

bigboykitty · Yesterday 23:06

He's stingy. He's ripping off his children and he's destroying your relationship with his meanness. He won't change. You should not accept this.

TheWildZebra · Yesterday 23:06

You sound exhausted by it OP. he sounds like hard work too. It sounds like there’s something going on with him, whether literally financially or he’s not processed/got over whatever it was that happened in his past relationship and is bringing that in to this one.

how much energy do you have to figure it out?

Midfortiescamb · Yesterday 23:07

Backstop · Yesterday 23:04

He is mean. To his children and you. It’s a desperately unattractive trait and you deserve better.

Thank you. Its confusing because when he has his kids or me he cooks lovely food etc. But there's always the precise amount, not more. Ugh.

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TheSlantedOwl · Yesterday 23:07

Oh god don’t sink any more time into a mean man. He won’t change.

LouiseMadetheBestBroccoliPasta · Yesterday 23:08

He's stingy, and that's baked in. Probably a visceral childhood thing.

You won't be able to change it, if that's what you're hoping for.

Either accept it or leave.

And the more you accept it, btw, the worse the stinginess will get and more oppressive it will become to you.

Midfortiescamb · Yesterday 23:09

bigboykitty · Yesterday 23:06

He's stingy. He's ripping off his children and he's destroying your relationship with his meanness. He won't change. You should not accept this.

Thank you so much. This is why I told him no more and was very unimpressed when I messaged this evening just to ask if his silence was him taking space or him thinking I needed space and all he said was he was thinking and taking time to himself and didn't say anything nice to me. It says a lot.

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Minasama · Yesterday 23:10

Did he grow up in a home where money was tight? That sits very deep within and it can be very difficult to get past the instinctive “never spending money on anything but essentials” that you grew up with. Particularly on £50K which doesn’t go at all far these days if he’s buying a house.,

For birthdays, rather than saying you don’t want to celebrate which seems very strong, why not tell him what you want to do and what you’d like as a present. I remember my husband being upset that I didn’t know what to get him - he came from a family that had five times the household income we had growing up, where extravagant gift giving was normal. I don’t come from that, but my home was very loving and thoughtful. I’d have been so upset if he’d just told me not to bother, I wasn’t intentionally getting it wrong. Now I earn a lot and just fling money at it, it seems to satisfy him but to me is desperately shallow.

It may just be that this is too big an issue for you and you need to be with someone who has more money.,

ResultsMayVary · Yesterday 23:10

You mentioned his daughter is on the spectrum and I wonder if he is too. So many he's trying to do the 'fair' thing and make you happy but the nuances and his you might be feeling have completely bypassed him.

It does sound exhausting and like you're walking on egg shells.

pamelabrown · Yesterday 23:11

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ChaToilLeam · Yesterday 23:11

Throw this stingy man back. He won't improve.

TheScreen · Yesterday 23:12

This is deeply unattractive. He won't change.

You will feel this tension and disappointment at every special occasion, meal, etc.

Plus he's even tight with his kids! Yuk.

Midfortiescamb · Yesterday 23:13

TheWildZebra · Yesterday 23:06

You sound exhausted by it OP. he sounds like hard work too. It sounds like there’s something going on with him, whether literally financially or he’s not processed/got over whatever it was that happened in his past relationship and is bringing that in to this one.

how much energy do you have to figure it out?

Oh no energy at all. He's not a child. Thank you.

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SecretSquid · Yesterday 23:13

What's that saying - he knows the cost of everything, and the value of nothing.

KitsyWitsy · Yesterday 23:14

He sounds awful. Why are you putting up with it? Get rid of him.

Midfortiescamb · Yesterday 23:14

Minasama · Yesterday 23:10

Did he grow up in a home where money was tight? That sits very deep within and it can be very difficult to get past the instinctive “never spending money on anything but essentials” that you grew up with. Particularly on £50K which doesn’t go at all far these days if he’s buying a house.,

For birthdays, rather than saying you don’t want to celebrate which seems very strong, why not tell him what you want to do and what you’d like as a present. I remember my husband being upset that I didn’t know what to get him - he came from a family that had five times the household income we had growing up, where extravagant gift giving was normal. I don’t come from that, but my home was very loving and thoughtful. I’d have been so upset if he’d just told me not to bother, I wasn’t intentionally getting it wrong. Now I earn a lot and just fling money at it, it seems to satisfy him but to me is desperately shallow.

It may just be that this is too big an issue for you and you need to be with someone who has more money.,

Edited

His reaction makes it look like this but I truly see no glimpses of pleasure in giving when he does. I'd be happy with a romantic picnic!

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FetchezLaVache · Yesterday 23:16

I said to him, my love, please can we just not do bdays, anniversaries, Xmas (he got me a five pack of socks)...let's free ourselves, there's something awkward/tense with money and its making me uncomfortable, feeling like work/burden.

Ok, so:

  1. He got you a five pack of socks for Christmas and that's it?? And he had to budget for the hot water bottle he got you for your birthday??

  2. You are a generous person who likes to treat people; and

  3. You've got a boyfriend who is so stingy you're having to go against your own essential personality and not celebrate important dates as protection against inevitable disappointment.

Why pursue this relationship? You're not compatible and I don't understand how you can even bring yourself to shag him, knowing that he's even tight towards his own children. I think you should do some work to understand why your standards are so low you'd try to work out a way of mitigating his parsimony rather than just giving him his marching orders.

Midfortiescamb · Yesterday 23:16

ResultsMayVary · Yesterday 23:10

You mentioned his daughter is on the spectrum and I wonder if he is too. So many he's trying to do the 'fair' thing and make you happy but the nuances and his you might be feeling have completely bypassed him.

It does sound exhausting and like you're walking on egg shells.

It does feel very literal and autistic. He often puts his foot in it by being super blunt/honest eg 'your house smells' and can otherwise be so sweet. It's so confusing.

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Midfortiescamb · Yesterday 23:19

FetchezLaVache · Yesterday 23:16

I said to him, my love, please can we just not do bdays, anniversaries, Xmas (he got me a five pack of socks)...let's free ourselves, there's something awkward/tense with money and its making me uncomfortable, feeling like work/burden.

Ok, so:

  1. He got you a five pack of socks for Christmas and that's it?? And he had to budget for the hot water bottle he got you for your birthday??

  2. You are a generous person who likes to treat people; and

  3. You've got a boyfriend who is so stingy you're having to go against your own essential personality and not celebrate important dates as protection against inevitable disappointment.

Why pursue this relationship? You're not compatible and I don't understand how you can even bring yourself to shag him, knowing that he's even tight towards his own children. I think you should do some work to understand why your standards are so low you'd try to work out a way of mitigating his parsimony rather than just giving him his marching orders.

Edited

Brilliantly said. Thank you for being so straight. What should my standards be? I had an abusive ex husband, I am in therapy so can actively focus on this.

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Sodthesystem · Yesterday 23:19

Life lesson:If he doesn’t pay (not offer to pay, not umm and aww for a bit then pay, just PAY) on date one, bin.him.off.

Don’t date losers.

CluelessAboutBiology · Yesterday 23:21

He budgeted last month to buy you a hot water bottle? Does it come with a unicorn-skin pouch?

pillorinjection · Yesterday 23:23

He bought you a hot water bottle during a heat wave?

bluebirdsandblueskies · Yesterday 23:24

Why are women settling for this shit just not to be alone? I don’t get it!

Sodthesystem · Yesterday 23:24

pillorinjection · Yesterday 23:23

He bought you a hot water bottle during a heat wave?

Maybe her feet were cold in bed at night and he’s so flipping tight he didn’t want to share BODY HEAT.

bigboykitty · Yesterday 23:25

You sound like someone who sees the good in people, @Midfortiescamb . Almost everyone has some good traits. But ingrained stinginess as you've described it, is corrosive and will destroy your feelings for him. His only priority is himself. He doesn't sound capable of care and empathy. It's simply not good enough for you. He's eroding your happiness and when you tell him, he doesn't care a bit.

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