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Aunt has planned and billed us for a wake we did not want/ask for

361 replies

achromaticdudgeon · 09/06/2026 17:41

Background

My father's elderly brothers and sisters are hard work, and I avoid them as much as I can - there are loads of them, and they love a good moan. Everything always could have been better, done better or handled better if you had only just done as they wanted or as they said.

My Dad died at the beginning of the year in an unexpected and fraught way. While I was abroad trying to get it sorted, my siblings ended up having to run a campaign of interference because they were hounding me so much that I was not able to actually get stuff done and sort out the issues at hand. They made a horrible situation so much worse with the constant drama. (They were being regularly updated) One Aunt, to give you a flavour of the issues, kept ringing and ringing because she wanted me to take time away from sorting the cremation/repatriation, and take a two-day trip during my 'holiday' to his house in a different city to find a particular photo.

To my issue

This afternoon, I have come home to being CC'd into an email to the photo Aunt from a relative in Canada who is checking in about some aspects of catering and accommodation for the service/wake.

We have not planned a service/wake.

  1. He had been very clear that he didn't want one
  2. His partner doesn't want to have one
  3. His wife (our mother - they remained on very good terms - but split for many years) doesn't want to have one
  4. My siblings agree with his, his partner and our Mums wishes
  5. Our plan was a small remembrance event next year, which would have been a significant birthday of his and more in his style/wants
  6. He cost us all a fortune because of the poor choices he made at the time, so there is no money for an event right now, regardless

It appears my Aunt has taken it upon herself to plan something without asking us, which would be fine, she can plan an event for his side of the family - they can grieve in the way they choose to.....

However, she has now sent an email to the attention of the executor of the estate attaching invoices for catering/bar costs, printed sundries, flowers and venue fees for an eye-watering sum of money.

The email I wrote in reply was blistering.....in no way tactful, insensitive to the fact they are grieving too and not in the slightest bit polite, and I was banned by my siblings from sending it lest I start a whole new world war.

I am SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO tempted to just send it anyway, and be damned with them all that I need to be talked down.

OP posts:
7854RRF · 10/06/2026 14:43

Well you have done your good deed @achromaticdudgeon by giving them some more drama to feed off of.

They sound utterly boring and exhausting in equal measure

TheOccupier · 10/06/2026 14:48

Don't let them gaslight you!

ToastSafeFromMothsAndDogs · 10/06/2026 14:50

People who use uncontrolled emotion to manipulate others are deeply tedious.

JustSawJohnny · 10/06/2026 14:55

achromaticdudgeon · 10/06/2026 09:19

Sorry for the late update, but I ended up being dragged into this mess and dealing with it all last night.

Just to clear up some questions I saw. My dad died unexpectedly abroad on his own. So there was a cremation and repatriation - no funeral. The invoices are for a venue with a bar/catering cover at a set sum as part of the costs. They have not been paid. I should also mention there was never any intention to invite the other side of the family to the event next year because..... drama. Just the partner, our Mum, siblings and spouses.

I sent a very factual email, agreed upon and written in collaboration with my siblings. It was not all that different from one or two that were posted here. We were very pleased with it and thought it was pleasant, firm, but inoffensive.

Within 20 mins, my Dads eldest brother was calling the other executor livid as we made Photo Aunt cry. How could we not have some kind of gathering, yes they knew he didn't want a wake, but people are grieving, and funerals and wakes are for the living to process, and it's so cold-hearted of us not to do SOMETHING to allow people to show their respect. It was like he never mattered, and that Photo Aunt was just trying to be helpful by stepping in because we clearly were overwhelmed, because there hadn't been some kind of acknowledgement, and he died at the beginning of the year.

How rude we were because we declined to pay - how could we not honour our father? How could we leave it so they didn't get to honour our father?. Then he started throwing allegations of there being money in the estate what was happening to this asset? That asset? They were more than enough to pay for a wake? The executer was calm but quite firm, explaining that there is no requirement to pay for a wake, at which point the eldest started roaring that what is moral/right and what is a requirement are two different matters - this is the death of their brother, and we are nitpicking over 'requirements'. The executor hung up at that point.

While that call was going on, one of the other Aunts rang another of our siblings to have a go - same record, how could we upset them at this time - they were grieving, how heartless could we all be?. At that point, one of my cousins turned up at the door. While my cousin was ringing the doorbell Dads eldest decided to ring me, telling me that he was shocked we would not have some kind of event. I said I had to go, there was someone at the door (hung up but didn't answer the door lol). My email exploded with shocked responses as an upset Photo Aunt called everyone in the family and gave them all my contact information.

By the end of the evening, I had 12 emails, 6 missed calls, two visits (ignored) and a gazillion texts. I had calls flying back and forth with my siblings to keep each other updated. Today we have all turned off our phones and OOO our emails. We are meeting up tonight to do a further text/email out (which might be more in line with the tone from my original email :D)

Well done, OP.

Stick to your guns, make yourselves clear and let them implode.

At the end of the day, whether they like it or not there is no money and not having a wake was your dad's wishes, which you are choosing to respect at this time rather than there's.

And rightly so!

I'd tell them frankly that you will be putting plans into place to mourn Dad with his partner and your siblings only, again as per his wishes, in the coming months and that there is nothing stopping them from congregating to remember him apart from, seemingly, their unwillingness to pay for it themselves!

Cheeky, drama fuelled fuckers, the lot of them!

No contact sounds perfect for this lot.

Frequency · 10/06/2026 14:59

I agree that funerals and wakes are for the living, and the wishes of the person who has passed should come secondary to the needs of those left behind. However, the wishes of the immediate family i.e OP, her siblings, her mum, and the dad's partner, trump everything.

If crazy Aunt wants to organise something to satisfy her own needs, it needs to be planned by her, paid for by her, and done in a way that is respectful to the immediate family, e.g., done quietly and the immediate family invited but under no obligation to attend.

DH's friends plan something to remember him most years around his birthday, but they contact DD and ask her wishes first, e.g., would she like to attend? If so, which dates work best for her? Is it OK to post something on DH's social media? etc. They would never demand anything of her or go against what she's expressed she wants.

JoshLymanSwagger · 10/06/2026 15:07

@achromaticdudgeon I'd still contact all of the suppliers and ensure that anything booked in remembrance of your Dad was solely the responsibility of his siblings and not his children or the executors of his estate.

Maybe email all of the aunts/uncles and tell them how much their share is to pay off his debts...
Sorry if that's a bit much - but it might get the message through that his estate actually owes money to his children, and isn't paying for all of you to have a blow-out party in Vegas.🤦🏻‍♀️

Luddite26 · 10/06/2026 15:08

All the outrage but no thoughts or cares to cover the costs themselves.

Cherrysoup · 10/06/2026 15:16

achromaticdudgeon · 10/06/2026 14:36

Ugh - I know they absolutely live for this drama, and love being up in each other's business - but life is too short for this kinda of unnecessary hoohaa. they all live winthin a few roads or houses of each other and I genuinely think they look down on us a bit and think we are weird because we are missing out on the family love and ride or die they all have (That being said - I personally think they actually are not ride or die at all, and they were always were more trouble than any life problem you had was worth going to them with) When I was a kid, we needed an update before visiting the grandparents (we lived abroad) on who was talking to who - who was not talking to who - who the family had a beef with on any given day - it's exhausting.

My cousin managed to catch me just as I was leaving the house earlier - apparently, this was a huge misunderstanding.

The 'event' was for everyone to attend, including my side of the family, but 'Scapegoat Aunt' forgot to let us know - also, the quotes (not invoices - my bad, I was flustered when I looked at them) were to suggest the estate might like to 'contribute' and they would still like us to 'contribute' - as it does relate to my Dad and the family is coming together to honor him - some of them from quite some distance away.

We are being asked specifically to apologise to Photo Aunt, who was incredibly distressed by our response to her kind gesture, which came from a genuine place of wanting to help.

I said, apologise for what part? It was a perfectly polite and factual response - I am not responsible for how she chose to react. That did not go down well.

Excellent response from you! They are emotionally blackmailing you, which is pretty outrageous, having not bothered to check if you were on board with this.

NoFeelings · 10/06/2026 15:17

I’m glad his close family and yoir siblings are all on the same page! They want you to pay for a family piss up

WhereYouLeftIt · 10/06/2026 15:38

achromaticdudgeon · 09/06/2026 18:00

A whole family of grieving drama queens being hyped up and militant about how insensitive we are being - is a likely outcome.

You said in your OP "Everything always could have been better, done better or handled better if you had only just done as they wanted or as they said." So anything other than complete capitulation on your part will surely be met by "grieving drama queens being hyped up and militant", regardless.

How do you think they'll regard a polite and tactful response, pointing out the wake will be at their own expense? Insensitive?

In which case, I'd rather be hung for a sheep as a lamb.

I'd send the email.

Shinyandnew1 · 10/06/2026 15:38

I’d reply to everyone reiterating that as there is no ‘estate’, you can’t contribute and if they want to hold their own wake, then they are welcome to organise and pay for it.

AcrossthePond55 · 10/06/2026 15:53

@achromaticdudgeon

I agree, stick to your guns. But I'd also say 'don't fan the flames'. React calmly to anything they say with as few words as possible and no justifications. Rinse and repeat.

CoverLikelyZebra · 10/06/2026 15:53

"I will not be apologising to PhotoAunt. PhotoAunt has been behaving in a manner that is incredibly upsetting to me and (name, name, name of other people involved) in being so accusatory and putting pressure on us to directly dishonour my father's memory and wishes by holding an event that he explicitly said he did not want to happen. I have done nothing wrong in absolutely refusing to be involved in this. If anyone should be apologising it is her. I can't control what PhotoAunt does and I wouldn't try to but do not try any further to involve me in any of these plans"

DuckbilledSplatterPuff · 10/06/2026 15:59

achromaticdudgeon · 10/06/2026 09:29

As a couple of people on here predicted - it's a 'well you are next of kin, if the estate can't cover the least you could do is cover it yourselves'. Apparently, you can't just do nothing; it's disrespectful to my Dad and disrespectful to the grieving family.

(We have no issue with them doing something - we just have an issue stumping up for it)

Edited

They are correct.
This situation is "disrespectful to your Dad and disrespectful to the grieving family."

However, YOU, your siblings and partners and his own partner are the grieving family and these other jokers are being extremely disrespectful, making it all about them. They must have what they want, how they want it, be mourners in chief and everyone must comply with their wishes or else. F that.

Your Dad wouldn't want you to be treated like that.. that's probably why he said no funeral etc in the first place.

After the latest round of behaviour, I'm sure you wouldn't want to go anywhere near a joint event with them, they'd only use it to tell you off. Horrible.

I think a pp said, don't tell them you are planning your own quiet event. They would ruin it. It will be a blessing for you all if these jokers and their massive egos are not there. Im sorry for your loss, but sorrier still that you have to go through all this nonsense too. Don't let them bully you.

JudgeJ · 10/06/2026 15:59

Francestein · 10/06/2026 13:47

Am I right in assuming that you lot aren’t invited to this wake, but have to cough up for it? Your family is full of bullies and you might want to get a cease and desist in place..

Edited

They don't have to cough up for it at all, that side of the family can arrange what they want, theycan arrange to go hang-gliding, bungee jumping, whatever, it doesn't mean that thhe estate has to pay for it.

RockinCara · 10/06/2026 16:03

I think you should throw it right back at them. Tell them you are upset, and quite frankly a little disgusted at their behaviour. Tell them your dad would be livid that they’re ignoring his wishes and hounding his children. Tell them - for one final time - there is no money in the estate and to just throw a huge bill at the executors is thoughtless, rude and outrageous. And that it 100% will not be paid by you. If they want to host a wake they can. But they pay for it. You won’t be attending either. Tell them the whole lot of them should be ashamed of themselves and they should be the ones apologising.

Ilovelurchers · 10/06/2026 16:40

So sorry this is happening - it sounds awful.

Just stop engaging, honestly.

Your dad hasn't left any money, so there is no money to pay for this event. Even if there were, you wouldn't be obliged to, as this obviously wasn't something your dad wanted (otherwise he would have left provision for it).

A wake is for the living, not the dead. I organised the wake for my father's death, because I wanted the event to happen as part of my grieving process, and I paid for it myself (well, my brother paid for some of it as well) . It was our idea and our desire, so we paid. We didn't demand the money for it from my mother (who inheroted the vast majority of dad's estate). Because you just don't do that.

Ignore them. They are being ridiculous. You have explained the situation - now stop engaging.

You have lost your dad - that's a terrible thing. Don't invite a vampire over the threshold. Don't give them airspace - they will only continue to hurt and unsettle you. Grieving a father is hard enough, anyway.

ReleaseTheDucksOfWar · 10/06/2026 16:49

My God.

They invoice you, the deceased's child, for an eyewateringly expensive wake that the deceased did not want and you did not arrange, and then hound and harass you with visits, calls, emails and texts and they want you to apologise?

"Dear everyone

As you know, our father - my father, who I was close to, died earlier this year. We have done our best to respect his clearly stated wishes.

He asked us not to hold a wake.

Since Aunt Interference decided not to respect his wishes, you have all rung, texted, emailed and even called at our house - we have had no less than XXX attempts to impose your will on us, Dad's children, and attempts to spend our personal money for a party he didn't damn well want. Our personal money, since Dad's estate was in debt.

From this point on, we're going to give you exactly what you've all been so desperate for - drama and outrage.

You are all respectless, mercenary, dramatizing vultures and we want nothing to do with you from now on. We want lives of calm and care, not this vicious emotional battling.

We want nothing more to do with you, since you cared so little for Dad and for us.

Goodbye"

(I've had a demanding day and I'm letting some vicarious outrage out. Had experience of extreme relatives too - one aunt-by-marriage demanded all of our inheritance because she went to see the dying man three times, so she deserved it and we nieces didn't).

Hellohelga · 10/06/2026 16:50

I’m not sure why you still answer their calls.

WiddlinDiddlin · 10/06/2026 16:51

Contribute my arse! They want to throw a big party, fly everyone in, put them up and have you foot the bill. They do not care if your Dad had no money though they may choose to lie to themselves that he's left you oodles and a mansion in the Bahamas... they just want a knees up and for you to pay for it.

Mumtobabyhavoc · 10/06/2026 16:52

Without knowing what was messaged or said my follow-up would be:

As advised on X date verbally and by email:
Our dad, X, explicitly stated not to hold a wake or funeral. We are following his request as his immediate family. His extended family, siblings etc, can, of course, do as they like, but neither the estate of X , nor his immediate family, will be contributing financially or otherwise.

Overworkedandknackered · 10/06/2026 16:54

Goodness me they sound like hard work, even if there was a million pounds in the estate it’s not their money to spend, especially not on themselves. If they’re that keen to get together to remember him they can fork out for their own drinks. Any estate would never go to siblings when there is a partner and children so it’s actually incredibly presumptuous to start spending someone else’s inheritance on an party.

saraclara · 10/06/2026 17:07

"I understand that we are all grieving, and emotions are high. But I will not be apologising for anything. We are respecting and following my father's wishes, and he would be appalled at the pressure that we were put under last night, with the barrage of emails and messages pressuring us to ignore his wishes. Should you wish to hold an event for your side of the family to remember him, that is up to you. But we will not be attending or contributing"

TygerBread · 10/06/2026 17:19

Lay it out in simple facts:

1 - Dad appointed X and Y as Executors explicitly because they are people he trusted to carry out his wishes. That was his personal decisions and nobody can override that.

2 - The primary function of Executors is to act within the law. This means ensuring that the funds in the estate are allocated within the law. The priority is essentially funeral costs and any debts. The estate does not have enough funds to cover these, some debts will need to be written off.

3 - No-one, other than the executors can instruct new debts (invoices) to be raised against the Estate. Any invoices received will be returned to the originator, with a statement that the Estate did not instruct for the service/goods and that the originator will need to contact the person who requested the goods/services to obtain the correct invoicing details, as that person has taken out an informal written/verbal contract for the sale of goods/services. Any new debt relating to the Estate would need to have been approved by an Executor prior to any order of goods/services by a Third Party (someone not involved in the Execution of the Estate).

4 - The Estate does not legally need to provide a Wake event for mourners. Dad, in fact, specifically stated he did not want one. In this case, as Executors, we made a decision NOT to fund a wake, given TWO important points. Firstly that there are insufficient funds (following our legal duty as Executors), and Secondly following Dad’s wishes (following our moral duty as Executors). We are aware of his feelings on this, and also how upset he would be that others are choosing to ignore his wishes.

5 - Any mourners wishing to go against Dad’s wishes, by arranging, and paying for, a Wake, are entitled to do so of their own volition. However, this is not the business of the Estate or the Executors. There is no obligation for payment, other than for whomever requested goods/services, and there is also no obligation for the Executors or family members to attends or get involved with an ‘unofficial’ wake that is being arranged outside of the Executor process.

6 - Executors and family members, are not obliged to pay for a wake personally, that is a personal choice to be made by individuals. Any individual ordering goods/services relating to a wake, is legally responsible for the invoices, unless there is an agreement made prior to ordering those services about bill contribution. The Executors have not personally given any agreement to making a personal financial contribution.

7 - Over the last couple of days, there have been a significant number of harassing telephone calls, emails, and even visits to home addresses of Executors and other family members, of persons attempting to harass and bully the Executors into funding an ‘unofficial’ wake, including the passing of personal phone numbers/email addresses to people the Executors/family members had not consented to sharing their personal data with. This behaviour is unacceptable and needs to stop immediately. Please note that all contact is being logged, and if it does not desist, may need to become a Police matter.

8 - As a final reminder, and for the avoidance of doubt, I reiterate, that NO PERSONS other than the Executors can authorise the purchase of any goods or services against the Estate. Any unauthorised invoices will be returned to the originators unpaid, with an instruction to re-issue it to whomever actually requested the goods/services.

Honestly these people sound like a nightmare and I don’t understand why you would want them in your life in any way! I would send something like the above, keep it quite business-like, and then start blocking their phone numbers and sent their emails to the spam folder and forget about them. If they want to part of your life in future…make them have to resort to a grovelling apology letter (which I doubt they would do). You don’t NEED to be a feud with them, just opt out of contact.

As for the invoices, return them to the originators, with a covering letter, and also send the letter to them by email to be sure to have a record of them receiving it. Also send them a copy/extract from the Will, showing the names of the Executors. State that the deceased did not want a Wake, that the Estate didn’t have the funds to cover one anyway, and that the Executors did not authorise or arrange it, and only became aware of the costs when the invoice was sent in error. State that therefore that those invoices are not the responsibility of the Estate, and the originator will need to contact whomever engaged their services, as the financial contract of sale lies solely with that individual. Tell them they unfortunately they appear to have been lied to by the person requesting the goods/services, as there was no agreement in place for the Estate to take responsibly for an ‘unofficial’ wake being organised by this person, who is operating outside of the Executor/Estate process.

If any company tries to get funny with you and won’t accept that you/the Estate are not liable, inform them that it was their responsibly to check that they were dealing with the Executors and not some random individual who has no control over the Estate, by asking to see the relevant section of the Will, and a copy of financial information to confirm the Estate has the funds. A business should be checking the customer billing details are correct before extending credit, in this case the person making the order of goods/services was NOT acting on behalf of the Estate, and it is the responsibly of the invoice originator to check who is
the payer before agreeing to credit. Suggest in future that they only accept upfront payments, if they do not wish to carry out due diligence on people asking for credit via invoicing.

They will struggle to take you to the small claims court for this anyway, unless the person who requested these services was impersonating you on the telephone, and then you have a whole other problem. The court will very quickly agree that the Executor did not request this, and so the debt lies with the person who did. I think any company will understand this, and focus on re-issuing the invoice to the correct person, and start chasing them for payment. There being no money in the estate, will also demotivate them from trying to pursue, especially if you can demonstrate that with any paperwork now…they would then know they are onto a lost angle anyway as the Estate can’t be bullied into releasing funds that don’t exist to begin with. They will have much more luck with pursuing a living person, and recovering a debt from them….all they need is the original phone number/email address/name etc of the person who made the request and your letter stating that they are not an Executor and therefore could not raise the debt against the Estate.

TygerBread · 10/06/2026 17:22

Also, just to add…I wouldn’t get into any discussion with them about anyone’s ‘feelings’, either yours or theirs, other than stating Dad’s wishes not have a wake held. These people sound like a nightmare and going back and forth over everyone’s emotions is just escalating things and not going to help you get this resolved quickly. If you don’t need to make peace with them or hear out each other’s feelings, just don’t do it!

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