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Mumsnet has not checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. If you need help urgently or expert advice, please see our domestic violence webguide and/or relationships webguide. Many Mumsnetters experiencing domestic abuse have found this thread helpful: Listen up, everybody

(TW SA) Continuing support & sharing things…

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PinkPoetAgaiin · 17/04/2026 12:04

Hi again everyone,

Making a new thread as some of the lovely ladies who have been supporting me for over a month now suggested I can continue to share my thoughts & feelings dealing with sexual & financial abuse (& other things) from my husband who I’ve been with since I was 18 (15 years).

Will be on and off for a bit as young DC is unwell at the moment and that’s taking all my energy.

I am not yet at the point of leaving - please don’t shout at me for being a bad mum. I did get a lot of criticism on my last thread for not getting them out immediately and I just can’t for reasons I explained.

Life feels heavy, but I’m focusing on DC at the moment ❤️

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NotAWurstToIt · 17/04/2026 17:26

Glad to see you here PinkPoetAgain.
I think it’s been really useful for you to go back through those messages. There’s definitely a pattern of very sexualised messages and also lots of apologies.
It’s interesting that he acknowledges his behaviour isn’t right and asks you/the kids to forgive him, but does nothing to try to mitigate, manage or change his behaviour. That says quite clearly that he has no desire to change, because, in his view saying or texting sorry is enough to mitigate the abusive behaviour. Then he starts again. He likes who he is and what he does. He won’t change, but you can change your future for you and your DCs. You are on a difficult journey and you are making progress - Keep going.

RS1987 · 17/04/2026 17:40

Just to say OP, medically speaking, no one “needs” sex in order to relieve stress, he is using this as an excuse. It might be hard to see that from the situation you’re in.

RS1987 · 17/04/2026 17:44

YourOliveBalonz · 17/04/2026 16:43

I’m glad you’re ok PinkPoet. I think those messages, much like your posts here, are a useful record for you that you are not going mad. They are also useful I hope in taking a bit of fear away from what would happen if you left him one day; these all support your version of what goes on in the marriage.

Yeah so true - those messages are damning

ScrollingLeaves · 17/04/2026 18:27

RS1987 · 17/04/2026 17:44

Yeah so true - those messages are damning

Poet, it might be an idea to send copies of all those messages to another place as a back-up archive somewhere. I am not good at tech but maybe another poster can suggest a way.

WonderingAndOverthinking · 17/04/2026 19:11

@MrsTerryPratchett That is the perfect way of expressing it in an honest way.

OP, you said in the last thread that you are walking around like an empty shell of a person. You are not an empty shell at all, but he is making you feel like that.

You are taking positive steps - I noticed, like a previous poster, how you actually described this situation as abuse in the first post of this thread.

The trouble is the truth is hard to face and until that happens to you, it will be a long road of doubt and second-guessing yourself.

Take care, I hope your little one feels better soon.

scoobysnaxx · 17/04/2026 20:32

I am so glad you trawled through those messages, as uncomfortable as it might have been. It was so important to do that. You can see from the amount of sorries and the things he is apologising for her is very much aware of his behaviour.

please download and save this chat. It really is evidence. Send it to a friend or send to a new email under a new name x

FusionChefGeoff · 17/04/2026 20:56

@pinkpoetagaiinI am really proud of you - you have corrected his minimisation yourself!

Spotting the way he deliberately used a very clever (and calculated) ‘what happened’ vs the very real ‘what I did’

This is huge progress and a really good sign that you’re starting to really find your own strength.

PinkPoetAgaiin · 17/04/2026 22:10

FiloPasty · 17/04/2026 13:39

Hi @PinkPoetAgaiin I’m new to your thread but have just spent my lunch reading through your posts from the last 2 threads. You’ve had some brilliant advice and have engaged so much, I have so much hope for you.
I noticed that you mentioned other posters had encouraged you to look into Claire’s law. Can I ask if you did this? I would really encourage you to.
Also how are you getting on with your therapist?
How much have you told your friend? I think the fact your husband doesn’t like her is pretty telling.
I do think the world is different now and age gaps are spoken about more in terms of life experience, but I’ve tried to drill into my teen girls that if older teen boys are interested in them it’s because the girls their own age think they are idiots, not trying to make light of an awful situation but I think our generation and ones before us just put up and shut up, the world is changing, which is why this incel/porn culture is on the rise because too many men want to keep women in their place.

You’ve got this op, keep posting x

thanks for your reply.
I have not done a Clare’s Law yet. I looked into it but I panicked and backed away.
I feel like it might throw up something - he always described his previous relationship as ‘volatile’ - but from her side.

Maybe I will feel brave enough at some point

My friend knows everything as I sent her this thread so I couldn’t change my mind!

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PinkPoetAgaiin · 17/04/2026 22:14

DropOfffArtiste · 17/04/2026 15:44

It also shows that you have raised each incident when it occured and he knows he did wrong.

All the messages are just out of the blue apologies from him - there is no message from me calling him out first. So I don’t always know what they are referring to.

my replies are usually ‘it’s ok ‘ or sometimes I say things like ‘I know you are stressed but you need to try and not take it out on us’
at one point I sent him the therapy online directory so seems like that was my idea

I now know the date of the r**e it was 2 days after my birthday :(

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PinkPoetAgaiin · 17/04/2026 22:54

WallaceinAnderland · 17/04/2026 16:11

This does make a lot of sense and yes you are right with the age of youngest DC. It’s like coming out of the baby fog and starting to think about things ….

It also might explain why he is floating the idea of having another baby.

This has come up a few times lately and I’m trying not to panic that my first period on the pill is two days late … I’ve read this can be normal with stress !!

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PinkPoetAgaiin · 17/04/2026 23:05

SaltyCara · 17/04/2026 16:31

Hi again Poet, I'm really glad you came back. I'll have to type in a rush as I'm with my children so apologies if this comes out sounding abrupt but I was so taken by two of the specific similarities between the behaviours of your husband and my colleague's husband so I wanted to message you now.

Firstly, he too tried to take her on a mini break after she had confronted him about the rapes but before she had left him. In her case he actually booked it as a surprise (including contacting her work without her knowledge to book time off and also refusing to tell her where they were going) so as someone else suggested do rehearse some phrases that might help you if your husband does the same and pressures you to leave with him immediately:

"I don't want to go away with you now. I am not getting in the car."

'You are not listening to what I have said at all. I have asked you for space and time to process things. A weekend away with you does not provide either of those things."

"I don't care how much you've spent on the break, it is the opposite to what I have asked for and that is on you, not me. You are refusing to give me what I have actually requested and an overblown gesture does not erase that."

I can see that a mini break might achieve several goals for the abuser - to try to sweep everything under the rug in your mind and the eyes of others ("everything must be okay because..."), to make you feel obliged to be grateful to him, to make you feel you "should" have sex, to get you alone and isolated.

I would be very, very suspicious of his motives and would absolutely refuse to go. (In my colleague's case, his behaviour escalated so much that she ended up leaving him before the date of the break. The escalation was very quick after he told her about it, I think he could sense he was losing control of her and he ramped everything up in response.)

Secondly, he also blamed the sexual abuse on stress, in his case because he lost his job. I have no idea why these men think that women should just put up with being raped multiple times in order to help them with their stress levels so as an excuse it didn't even really make any sense but there you go, apparently rapists often try to justify their assaults because "stress". (Of course, the logical conclusion is that they actually think their desires override your rights - they don't really think women are people with their own autonomy.)

I’m sorry I just get so angry I start shaking and I can’t control it. One message said I’m sorry I just struggle with having to share your attention ?? He must be talking about the kids.

So he admits he can't control his anger. That's bloody terrifying. Abuse often escalates after children are born because abusers wants to be a god to you, your absolute priority, and anything that disproves that is the case is a threat to them. That's one of the reasons we are all very concerned about your kids: you keep saying he would never hurt them (even though he already has), but here he actually confesses that he is resentful of them. I think you have made amazing progress in a short space of time, even your ability to describe his actions accurately as abuse in you opening post here is phenomenal. Well done and keep on keeping on.

Sorry if this is all a bit of a muddle, I am being pestered for smoothie now so I can't edit :-)

Thanks for your message . It’s interesting that it’s so sinailr to your friend’s situation. Hope she’s ok now?

Mini break idea seems to have been dropped for now with the illness going round the house.

Stress is 100% a huge factor for him. It’s strange how he seems to link it to sex so much. I always thought that was normal for men but I guess not?

The message about the shaking and uncontrollable anger was 3 years ago too , we were going through quite a stressful period at that time and you can tell as lots of the messages are clustered there . It is concerning definitely. This is also around the same time he started therapy

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PinkPoetAgaiin · 17/04/2026 23:13

MrsTerryPratchett · 17/04/2026 16:59

Hi Poet

I wanted to push back a little on this message from the last thread. Because I think there's a piece missing. I'll post what you wrote and what I thought.

Thank you ❤️ I may start a new thread in a bit but I get anxious no one will want to hear me whining anymore

Belittling yourself and making yourself small, as you've been trained. Very normal for someone living with abuse. But also, a really good way to deflect a difficult truth. Posters haven't been saying you're whining, they've been expressing worry for your kids, worry for you, and stating the facts of what is actually happening. If when that expression happens you close down and leave, my concern is that the truth is so huge, you can't see it. If other posters stay in the lie that this is just a bit wrong, just a bit damaging, so that you stay on here, my worry is that you are less likely to leave.

you’ve all been such a support to me

Lovely, and I hope it is. But a worry of mine is that we're acting as a very bad counsellor. Making the session nice for you, which takes the edge off, which makes is less likely you'll make changes. Basically emotionally supporting you to stay in a dangerous, abusive place. Support is great. It is. But so is challenging your dissonance, pushing on who he is, asking about small plans and changes so you move in a direction to help you and the kids. Just so you are aware going into it, the specialised counselling will be hard. All good therapy is hard. Because change is hard. If it's easy, it's not working.

Now, we aren't counsellors. But if you are abused repeatedly, almost daily, feel horrible, come on here, feel better, go back to your life... we're just enabling. We're keeping you there by sharing your lie that it isn't that bad.

Shes doing well now but we were in hospital last night as needed steroids.

Thank goodness!

Times like this DH really steps up and sorts all the others out without me having to tell him what to do. One redeeming feature

Of COURSE he does. He needs the force field of Good Dad for many reasons. To name a few:

So you believe he's good and it outweighs and abuse.
So the children are confused and stay compliant.
So you think other people will believe him.
So he can believe himself he's good with one flaw.
So you stay...

… and no one jump down my throat for being an abuser supporter please!!!

You are an apologist for your own abuse. That is completely normal, totally typical and a symptom of what you're going through. If abusers were 100% dreadful all the time they wouldn't have anyone to abuse. You'd leave in the first ten minutes. And we've all met the easy to spot ones. It's the complicated, manipulative ones that get us.

And he's your husband, it's natural to defend him. We all defend the little flaws in the people we love. We justify them and minimise them and try to ignore them. And that's normal. But you have to hold two completely opposite truths in your head. He's a man who helps you when bad things happen. He also rapes you and coerces you into unwanted sex and is angry and dangerous. The anxiety and feelings of wanting to avoid the threads come from this tension.

You aren't an abuser supporter but you are in denial. Which is normal. But if you discount and blame the posters who point this out, to try to square the circle of your relationship, you're blaming the wrong people for the feelings. They might be clumsy, but they are speaking truth. Your husband isn't.

I'm trying very hard to keep the things I'm saying bite-sized. Because I know it's hard. I have probably failed. But I promise what I say comes from the very best hopes for you. That you will post in 5 years saying we were right, you left, you're safe, you're happy, everyone is in therapy and doing well, the kids are thriving, and you want to tell other women the truth too. Hard as that is.

I do understand completely what you are saying and thank you for putting it so gently.

I agree with it all. Denial is definitely still an issue. But I’m getting there I think. it might be slow.

I mainly became very upset when some people suggested I am intentionally choosing to harm the children. I guess that really upset me because in all this I try to be the best mum I can for them.

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augustusglupe · 17/04/2026 23:38

MrsTerryPratchett Very well said, spot on.

Pryceosh1987 · 17/04/2026 23:50

Life does feel heavy sometimes. I conquer this with making time and moments to relax.

category12 · 18/04/2026 07:50

Is there a pattern of your birthdays and special occasions ending up spoiled in some way?

It's quite common that abusive men can't seem to bear their partner having good attention but ruin occasions at the time or make them "pay for it" afterwards.

Are you still within the 72 hour window for the morning after pill?

RS1987 · 18/04/2026 08:15

How is your daughter feeling OP?

DoesthislookgoodOnMe · 18/04/2026 08:15

@PinkPoetAgaiin I’m on the pill where you have a pill break. When I take the break it takes 3-4 days for my period to start. I don’t one if that helps. Usually day 3 I get headaches and a bit of period pain before my period comes.

I know life is very busy for you. As a tip, I have an alarm on my Fitbit that just buzzes and it’s my reminder to take my pill. I’ve set it to lunchtime as I am
usually not being pestered for anything at this time from work. I hope your period comes.

PinkPoetAgaiin · 18/04/2026 08:26

Yes ! - and it’s funny you should say that as I noticed when looking through the messages when he was apologising that often I was saying ‘let’s try and enjoy the rest of my or DC birthday/Mother’s Day . Which would suggest his angry episodes quite often coincide with a special occasion :(

One message from me to him said I know things are hard for you at the moment but today was our baby’s first day at school and you shouldn’t have acted like that :(
I don’t remember any of these things !!!!

But in advance of the birthdays he’s a big spender/planner. Always wants them to have the best and I have to reign him in!

Morning after pill I don’t think so as I’m already due/late on my ‘period’ which is a pill period so not sure if that’s normal or not? Sometimes I am a few days late though so it’s not uncommon for me. Not too worried yet. If it’s not arrived today or tomorrow I guess I’ll have to test but surely it’s vvv unlikely on the pill??

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PinkPoetAgaiin · 18/04/2026 08:35

RS1987 · 18/04/2026 08:15

How is your daughter feeling OP?

Much better thanks so much for asking ❤️ no more hospital trips needed and eating a bit today :)

@DoesthislookgoodOnMe that’s good to know I assumed it would start a day or two after but today will be day 4 of the break - I’m pretty sure

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scoobysnaxx · 18/04/2026 08:37

Oh OP this is so so typical. Ruining things! I fear you are so so so used to it it’s normal! I am so glad you are seeing it for what it is, slowly but surely. This comes as a surprise to NONE of us.

I cannot WAIT for you to really see him for what he is in the future and be far away from him. A strong woman and mother with boundaries who is just fine on her own.

scary now, but you will get there OP and you’ll be comfortable with it xx

category12 · 18/04/2026 08:42

PinkPoetAgaiin · 18/04/2026 08:26

Yes ! - and it’s funny you should say that as I noticed when looking through the messages when he was apologising that often I was saying ‘let’s try and enjoy the rest of my or DC birthday/Mother’s Day . Which would suggest his angry episodes quite often coincide with a special occasion :(

One message from me to him said I know things are hard for you at the moment but today was our baby’s first day at school and you shouldn’t have acted like that :(
I don’t remember any of these things !!!!

But in advance of the birthdays he’s a big spender/planner. Always wants them to have the best and I have to reign him in!

Morning after pill I don’t think so as I’m already due/late on my ‘period’ which is a pill period so not sure if that’s normal or not? Sometimes I am a few days late though so it’s not uncommon for me. Not too worried yet. If it’s not arrived today or tomorrow I guess I’ll have to test but surely it’s vvv unlikely on the pill??

I think the overspending and build-up is done because makes them look good - whether it's self-image, being able to say to the other person effectively "look how good I am to you" or to look generous & good to outsiders (or all three).

But underneath they resent it, that attention is on you instead, that this is expected - and kind of think you owe them or that you need taking down a peg - so they'll pick a fight or engineer something going wrong or take their pound of flesh later.

DoesthislookgoodOnMe · 18/04/2026 08:45

Yes I used to dread any special occasion with my ex he would get particularly jealous if it was our dc’s birthday. I would do all the work, be stressed about the party but really on edge about what he would do. The worst one is where he told my mum to shut in front of guests at dd2’s third birthday. On my last birthday before I left him I went to work, got the dc’s and then he argued with me so much. All I ate that night was a piece of toast and I cried all night.

its typical narcissistic behavior. It needs to be about them 100%. It’s really disturbing that these men are so jealous even of their own children!

DoesthislookgoodOnMe · 18/04/2026 08:48

@PinkPoetAgaiin I asked chat gpt about pill breaks so here are the screen shots but do speak to a health professional if you are very worried.

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throwawayimplantchat · 18/04/2026 08:56

He’s so predictable OP in that his behaviour around special occasions is completely textbook for an abuser. It’s not YOU, it’s HIM. I’ve pasted something I found online below - doesn’t it sound like it’s written by someone who knows your husband?!

They may not seem to be trying to draw attention to themselves, but they do so by ruining special occasions for others using tactics such as:

  • Start an argument on the morning of the special occasion so they can give you the silent treatment for the rest of the day.
  • Concocting a drama or inventing an illness to scupper plans made for a special occasion for you, your children, or someone you are close to.
  • Creating an atmosphere so you walk on eggshells for the whole day, perhaps defaulting to the fawn trauma response to placate them.
  • Creating conflict between people present at the special occasion, they often thrive on the drama they have created such as involving someone else in the conflict to back them up or praising one child whilst finding fault with another.
  • Playing the victim in social situations if you are waiting for them to have an outburst you will likely be quiet, they will happily tell anyone who listens that you are always miserable on special occasions when you are, in fact, just waiting for them to show their true colours when you’re alone.
  • Appearing to be the life and soul of the party, leaving you anxious about how that is going to unfold for you once everyone else has gone.

Special occasions are a great way for narcissistic abusers to manipulate everyone around them and further control you. This raises your stress and anxiety levels, erodes your self-worth and makes you doubt your reality.

Those in abusive relationships find special occasions, including Christmas highly stressful, leaving them exhausted.
If this resonates with you, please know that you are not alone. You are not crazy; you are being abused.

shoppingred54 · 18/04/2026 08:58

I know you say everybody loves him, but do they really? Are you sure you haven’t been viewing him through rose tinted spectacles? Is there no chance you could speak to your mum about uni and allude to the fact things are not good in your relationship.

I truly hope you are not pregnant. You could consider getting an IUD fitted instead, then you don’t have to remember to take it. The copper IUD is effective immediately and not hormonal.