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DH’s friendship with woman at work is killing our marriage

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Teaandbiscuits123456 · 13/02/2026 20:49

DH and I have been together for over 20 years and have two dc all grown up now. DH has made a very good woman friend at work and although not an affair it is very cosy iykwim. Private jokes, DMs at all hours and weekends, breaks spent in each other’s company.
I told him how this made me feel anxious and upset and his response was that that’s just how it is and he can’t help feeling like he does but insists it is just friendship. That just about broke my heart and has made me question where I figure in his life. They’ve only known each other for 2 years.
Knowing all this I’m worried I’m starting to think I might be falling out of love with him almost as a way of self-preservation if that makes any sense?
All the time they are working together I’m not sure if we can get back what we had even though I wish we could. I just don’t know what to do.

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Thewookiemustgo · 19/04/2026 19:28

@CraftyYankee the quotes came from my own husband, sadly, after an affair, a huge shitshow, a ton of work, introspection and pretty painful conversations.
I made notes at the time, with his full knowledge and consent, because my brain was as useful as a head full of scrambled egg back then and I would never have remembered it correctly, it was better to reread notes than revisit the painful questions repeatedly if I needed to.
It wasn’t plain sailing at first, none of this level of self-awareness or courage to tell the full truth was present at first. Nowhere near. A lot of it was his own shock on discovery, the shock of realising that even he didn’t recognise himself or trust his own judgment.
Believing your own crap for a good while makes the sudden jolt into reality (I found out) pretty disorienting for the arrogant unfaithful, firmly believing they were never going to get rumbled, as well as the betrayed, who had previously thought nothing was wrong.
He had no idea how often he had shoved away the reality of how far it had all gone. Living in denial.
He did everything I wanted willingly, he wanted it too, but his first knee-jerk instinct to make sure that my staying happened and I didn’t kick him out was to lie, minimise and heavily edit what had really happened.
To admit the truth to me meant he had to admit it to himself too. It meant he had to witness further pain and damage to me, all at his hands, it meant he had to have to admit to himself the full extent of his dishonesty and betrayal, which he’d constantly justified away, minimised and diluted by placing blame elsewhere and he’d denied it to himself.
The betrayed’s survival instinct kicks in with a huge need for the truth and asks questions. The unfaithful’s survival instinct kicks in with a huge need to bury the truth and avoid all questions. To protect that self image as still being a good guy despite a growing body of evidence to the contrary. None of the invented internal narrative works to justify this any more, the truth is out.
He was left with his head spinning, because a day ago at the time he was convinced he wanted the OW and was totally convinced of how he felt about her, absolutely believed that if I found out, he’d leave me. The only doubts he had were when OW was going on about what their life together once he’d dumped me and the kids would be like, and he realised he had constantly made excuses as to why as each of her deadlines passed, he never wanted to. It messed with his head that he thought he wanted to but didn’t want to at the same time, so he stuffed that down too.
He went from all that, to being more worried about losing me and our life together. The feelings for OW evaporated, reality forced him to admit that it was a seedy affair, not a relationship with a future.
He was horrified at the realisation that he had a massive problem now. How to stop me leaving, he knew he deserved it. Plus: How to face her and how to get rid of her and let her down, after all the crap he’d spouted, and show himself up as a future faker and liar, without her going absolutely ape shit and angrily contacting me to fill in all the gory details.
All his own fault and obviously no sympathy there, but it was a massive learning curve about himself and how he essentially avoided every potentially difficult conflict situation in his life by lying, covering up, pretending. The irony is that the lying and dishonesty itself is the worst part, causes the worst shitshow.
He was never really honest with her at the end, still avoiding the conflict by letting it painfully die by going cold, so that in the end she stopped believing the excuses for him not being able to see her for dinner/ at the hotel, work got busy suddenly etc, she had to do the confrontation and finally asked “You’re never going to leave your wife, are you?” Which was exactly what he wanted her to do. Then he got the full force of what she thought of him not long after he’d got what I thought of him too.
She dropped her ultimatum when it didn’t work and tried to backtrack a couple of weeks later and start it up again, but he had none of it.
He wanted to find out how he’d got to be that person and be in denial about who he was, how he’d been able to lie and manipulate and why he was so afraid to discuss his feelings honestly and tackle emotional struggles head on. Tons of work but he’s way happier now, living authentically always makes you happier. Both of us suffered a ton of damage from what he did, we only got through it because he owned it all and turned himself around. OP’s husband needs to admit what he’s doing to himself, as well as to OP. At present he probably believes his own press and has no idea who he has become. Time to get his head out of his arse.

Janicchoplin · 20/04/2026 06:51

Teaandbiscuits123456 · 18/04/2026 22:48

Thank you for all the gentle comments. I do agree but can’t deny that it’s so bloody tough. Aside from this thing he seems to have for her, he is a lovely person and a wonderful father. We have much in common and laugh a lot together when things are good. Which they have been.
But I also know the situation is damaging my mental health (am already taking ADs) and it can’t continue.

It seems he has opened your marriage. And you have accepted it. So now you may have to also accept what comes with that. He now has your permission (doing nothing about it is still permission) to be with this women.

Next I would ask if he has this women. Can you also have someone. See what he says then. (Im not saying you have to. Just see his reaction)

Thewookiemustgo · 20/04/2026 11:30

OP has far from accepted his behaviour, and doesn’t have to accept anything that comes with something she does not accept in the first place.
OP has considered what to do, told him what she expects, he says he’d comply, now he’s lied about that and she’s just found out that he lied (far different from accepting, she didn’t know he’d taken this underground, how could she know?) so now she’s considering ending her marriage. I’m not getting her acceptance of his behaviour and agreeing to continue the marriage on those terms in anything she has written here.

Crikeyalmighty · 20/04/2026 11:52

@Thewookiemustgo indeed - just because someone doesn’t boot someone out the minute they find out something doesn’t mean it’s ‘accepting ‘ life is more complicated than that for most

TheAngryPuxie · 20/04/2026 13:18

Thewookiemustgo · 19/04/2026 15:59

😂 That’s one of my absolute favourite movies and that line is one reason why.

Me too!

Teaandbiscuits123456 · 23/04/2026 18:25

They are still messaging but he’s deleting them all so nothing suspicious there then…
Hes arranging to go out for some drinks with her and two others. By drinks I mean quite a few. I’ve told him if he chooses to do that then we are over. His choice but face the consequence that he won’t be welcome home. He said he’ll see who he wants.

I’m going to ask him to move out for a while. I need space to think properly and not make a decision while I’m emotionally strung out.

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NeelyOHara · 23/04/2026 18:39

He’s outrageous, I’m so sorry.

OlderGlaswegianLivingInDevon · 23/04/2026 18:48

' He said he’ll see who he wants.'

WOW !

tell him to close the door quietly when he leaves, and not to come back

Teaandbiscuits123456 · 23/04/2026 18:49

NeelyOHara · 23/04/2026 18:39

He’s outrageous, I’m so sorry.

He said there’s nothing wrong with it. He knows how incredibly upset and concerned I’m going to be all that evening but I guess that doesn’t matter because apparently her not being there would be totally wrong.

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Calliopespa · 23/04/2026 18:52

Teaandbiscuits123456 · 23/04/2026 18:49

He said there’s nothing wrong with it. He knows how incredibly upset and concerned I’m going to be all that evening but I guess that doesn’t matter because apparently her not being there would be totally wrong.

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Ensure you are gone when he returns OP.

Even if you have to go to a hotel at first. Just follow through on the threat to some degree. He thinks you are an empty can.

ETA alternatively, have his stuff packed and waiting. But I suspect he'll just ignore that.

IcantFeelMyFaceNow · 23/04/2026 18:55

Teaandbiscuits123456 · 23/04/2026 18:49

He said there’s nothing wrong with it. He knows how incredibly upset and concerned I’m going to be all that evening but I guess that doesn’t matter because apparently her not being there would be totally wrong.

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I would never get over the ick that this would give me.

This would end my marriage. I would end it because he has ended it.

I would text him "FAFO" as I left the house and move on with my life.

Teaandbiscuits123456 · 23/04/2026 18:56

Calliopespa · 23/04/2026 18:52

Ensure you are gone when he returns OP.

Even if you have to go to a hotel at first. Just follow through on the threat to some degree. He thinks you are an empty can.

ETA alternatively, have his stuff packed and waiting. But I suspect he'll just ignore that.

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I feel so pathetic that I’ve put up with this for so long. The disrespect that he must have for me to encourage these smutty messages from her.

I would respect him so much if he had not responded or closed it down. He would be acting like a husband not a cringy man having a mid life crisis and enjoying the attention of another woman who is enjoying sending these embarrassing innuendos

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Teaandbiscuits123456 · 23/04/2026 18:58

IcantFeelMyFaceNow · 23/04/2026 18:55

I would never get over the ick that this would give me.

This would end my marriage. I would end it because he has ended it.

I would text him "FAFO" as I left the house and move on with my life.

Yes ‘ick’ is the word. Sometimes I feel like taking a screenshot and sending it to her significant other.
forgive my ignorance- what is FAFO?

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Calliopespa · 23/04/2026 18:59

Teaandbiscuits123456 · 23/04/2026 18:56

I feel so pathetic that I’ve put up with this for so long. The disrespect that he must have for me to encourage these smutty messages from her.

I would respect him so much if he had not responded or closed it down. He would be acting like a husband not a cringy man having a mid life crisis and enjoying the attention of another woman who is enjoying sending these embarrassing innuendos

I'm sorry OP: it's beyond hurtful.

But I think you will feel better if you make a move. You know he will be gone that evening, so make a plan.

Teaandbiscuits123456 · 23/04/2026 19:00

Calliopespa · 23/04/2026 18:59

I'm sorry OP: it's beyond hurtful.

But I think you will feel better if you make a move. You know he will be gone that evening, so make a plan.

Thank you. Appreciate the support and kind words. I’m constantly being told I’m in The wrong and anyone else would be fine with the situation (basically because it’s not physical)

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goody2shooz · 23/04/2026 19:02

Teaandbiscuits123456 · 25/02/2026 07:08

I’ve been taking some time to process all this and I appreciate your comments - all of them to get different perspectives. Things had been better, he isn’t going to the conference now (although he was grumpy about this). But I now know we are over. They were in touch over the weekend, despite me saying how this made me feel, and so I asked to see the texts. He reluctantly showed me and the connection between them just leaps off the screen. I realise how he must be when he is with her. Witty, private jokes, stroking each other’s ego’s, making each other laugh. All done while I was cleaning the bathroom on Saturday afternoon - nice. No wonder he enjoys being at work so much…
in comparison, I get the sullen, non-communicative man who farts on the sofa.
he spends way more ‘quality’ time with her in a week than with me. He may be physically in the room at home but that’s it. He saves his best side for her and I’ve had enough.

@Teaandbiscuits123456 don’t you move out, it’s your home too! Say nothing, just make your plans to end this horror show of a ‘marriage’ . How are your finances, do you rent or own? See a solicitor and find out where you stand because your current situation sounds intolerable. This must be playing havoc with your mh, and your physical health. The creep has blown all the chances you gave him, he lies repeatedly and continues to hurt and disrespect you.

Teaandbiscuits123456 · 23/04/2026 19:03

goody2shooz · 23/04/2026 19:02

@Teaandbiscuits123456 don’t you move out, it’s your home too! Say nothing, just make your plans to end this horror show of a ‘marriage’ . How are your finances, do you rent or own? See a solicitor and find out where you stand because your current situation sounds intolerable. This must be playing havoc with your mh, and your physical health. The creep has blown all the chances you gave him, he lies repeatedly and continues to hurt and disrespect you.

Thank you. We have a mortgage and a small amount of savings but not much

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IcantFeelMyFaceNow · 23/04/2026 19:04

Teaandbiscuits123456 · 23/04/2026 18:58

Yes ‘ick’ is the word. Sometimes I feel like taking a screenshot and sending it to her significant other.
forgive my ignorance- what is FAFO?

Fuck Around And Find Out.

After all you have warned him.

IcantFeelMyFaceNow · 23/04/2026 19:06

Actually the PPs are right. Get legal advice and start the ball rolling now. You've given him the warning shot across his bow and he has doubled down.

nomas · 23/04/2026 19:07

Teaandbiscuits123456 · 13/02/2026 21:29

I have met her and I’m pretty sure she knows I’m upset about her

I would call her and give her a piece of my mind too.

When I had a thread here years about ex messaging inappropriately with an old flame, I was told not to contact the OW (they used to talk about me too). But I got her number from his phoned, called her and gave her some choice words.

It wasn't to save my relationship, it was to bring home to her that I was a real person. When I called her I knew I would be leaving but calling her gave me some closure too.

Sowhat1976 · 23/04/2026 19:08

He keeps telling you where you stand. Tell him to fuck off and don't take him back no matter what. He's already overstepped your boundaries. He's already showing you his relationship with her and his ego is more important than you, your feelings and his relationship with you.

Have you got hold of his phone? You can try can try unistalling WhatsApp, reinstall it, and choose restore from your last back up. It might get you some deleted messages.

The thing is you really don't need evidence because he's very clear where you stand.

Teaandbiscuits123456 · 23/04/2026 19:11

Sowhat1976 · 23/04/2026 19:08

He keeps telling you where you stand. Tell him to fuck off and don't take him back no matter what. He's already overstepped your boundaries. He's already showing you his relationship with her and his ego is more important than you, your feelings and his relationship with you.

Have you got hold of his phone? You can try can try unistalling WhatsApp, reinstall it, and choose restore from your last back up. It might get you some deleted messages.

The thing is you really don't need evidence because he's very clear where you stand.

Thanks for this. Tbh I don’t want to see any messages now. What is the deal breaker is actually his response to me being upset about them. I’m the problem for being upset and therefore making him uncomfortable and miserable about it all…

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Teaandbiscuits123456 · 23/04/2026 19:13

How someone who is essentially a good person in every other way be so tone deaf to this I just can’t fathom.

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Thatsalineallright · 23/04/2026 19:17

Teaandbiscuits123456 · 23/04/2026 19:13

How someone who is essentially a good person in every other way be so tone deaf to this I just can’t fathom.

Is he really a good person though? I doubt it.

He might be nice/fun/friendly when it doesn't cost him much, but has he sacrificed for you or for your marriage? Has he consistently put you first throughout the years together? Has he put his own wants to the side to do the right thing?

His current spectacular selfishness is unlikely to have sprung out of nowhere. His morals and value system are clearly lacking.

Applecup · 23/04/2026 19:20

Teaandbiscuits123456 · 23/04/2026 19:13

How someone who is essentially a good person in every other way be so tone deaf to this I just can’t fathom.

You deserve more than this. Don’t waste any more time on him.