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Do all men cheat / watch porn?

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pickalillyspooon · 04/01/2026 13:18

Tale as old as time. I’ve seen this debate played out before.

But I’m in a situation, it’s hard to tell people in real life.

we are early 40s, married 13 years, three primary aged kids. Parenthood hit us like a ton of bricks. Child number 1 didn’t sleep. We were exhausted, I felt resentful about lack of support (in hindsight he did do a lot, there wasn’t really much more he could have done). We just didn’t get on and there was no sex. We had always wanted a sibling for DD
so had sex once and this miraculously resulted in a twin pregnancy.

So, by the time our eldest was 6 and twins were 3 we had had sex once. So once in 6 years. I know now how bad that was.

At the time I was struggling with postnatal depression, 3 non sleeping kids, and working shifts in a demanding job. We barely shared a bed, we just slept wherever. And we had no family to ever babysit.

DH eventually addressed it, asked if we could go to councelling. I shut this down as I felt I just needed more support and maybe then I’d have the energy for that. I felt like he was just one more person making demands on his time.

He then shouted that it was fuckn shit (true) and I kind of realised it couldn’t go on like that.

So we had sex. And it was fine. And it became easy to just continue to have sex. So that’s what we did. All good. We were back in the saddle.

I found out a few months later this the prompting from DH was due to him confiding in an ex girlfriend about our lack of sex life. Not somebody he sees as she lives abroad, but they have kept in very sporadic contact over the years. She told him to speak to me. Also apparently recounted some of their raunchy moments from their past and told him to recreate them.

I found out about this as hears him listening to a voice note from her (didn’t hear the content). He denied denied denied at first, then told me this is what is was. Said it was her that suggested councelling etc.

I was not happy. Asked if they had been sending nudes etc. he swore not.

Life was fine for a couple of years when I snooped and found some messages / photos. They had sent nudes. And worst off all, had planned to meet up for sex. She would catch a flight to our city and book a hotel. I saw the dates she had proposed, and checked back my WhatsApp / photos and he was here. I then found what I think was the final agreed date. I queried why he was doing his hobby on this date when I had an important event the following week, and he said “ok, no bother, I’ll cancel it.”

He was here on that date, so I know it didn’t go ahead.

He says he never had any intention of going through with it. He said when it started it was a bit of excitement and we hadn’t been intimate in so long he just enjoyed the attention. He is quite a shy person and he said that because it was through a phone screen it didn’t seem “real” and he would be too much of a shitebag to go through with anything like that in real life.

Contact between them just dwindled apparently and that does seem to be the case from what I can see from his phone.

She has now been blocked and deleted.

This has all absolutely broken me.

On seeing his phone I can see he looks at some porn as well. Nothing extreme, doesn’t seem excessive use. I don’t particularly like it but I can’t get on my high horse about that. I watch porn myself occasionally and I understand that it’s a real disconnect to real life - some of the stuff I watch I would have absolutely no interest in in real life.

But the ex gf situation.

He swears it was just messages and he never met her and had no intention of doing so. I know how lonely he must have been during that time because I was too. And I enjoyed when men from my past would comment on my fb or whatever, because it was nice to get a little bit of attention. But that’s as far as that went. This girl was obviously a step further than that.

There was never any intention to leave me and be with her. She is married but in an open marriage. And in another country and seemingly very happy. Just enjoys shagging other people’s husbands.

I feel sick at the seediness of it all the complete disrespect that of the 4 people involved, I was the only one with no idea what was going on. Like it just didn’t concern me.

i’m struggling to forgive or forget and not sure how of if I’ll get over it.

But the thought of splitting my family up over messages is hard to take.

He is a good dad, a hard worker, we get on well, and our sex life is back on track and very good.

The thought of being single doesn’t appeal. There’s hardly any decent guys out there and I wouldn’t bring a new man into my kids lives anyway. Financially I would struggle and have to move areas to a flat in a different school catchment.

But the thought of living my life constantly wondering if it’s happening again is not good. And just the images of the photos and texts I’ve seen.

it just seems so, so stupid to have thrown away a life and a family over this.

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OMGDidYouSayThat · 03/06/2026 19:31

pickalillyspooon · 03/06/2026 18:37

thanks @OMGDidYouSayThatits good to have a male perspective.

the situations are very similar then. At the time I didn’t really consider the impact the rejection must have been having on him, but he was obviously feeling the way you do.

He went further than you have, because he did get involved and sext a woman and make plans to meet for sex, but says he couldn’t go through with it.

He generally is someone who has morals and I guess sexual frustration pushed him to the brink of them.

I’ll never know for sure if he’s telling the truth and they didn’t actually have sex, but I’m inclined to think they didn’t.

If they did, they would have kept doing it. And he couldn’t have done that without me noticing. I think he’s telling the truth that it didn’t go further.

@pickalillyspooon Hmm, you will never know for sure but i’m willing to bet that the not knowing is niggling away inside you. So i have a feeling that my wife may have had a short fling about 5 Years ago but like you i don’t know for sure but i can tell you the thought won’t go away in my head, i personally think that generally speaking a woman doesn’t give her body to someone else without emotion, i think in my circumstance she may have handed those emotions over to someone else leaving me to be a theoretical emotional ex if that makes any sense. I don’t think thats something that can be repaired if that is the case. Can you relate to that in any way?

OchreRaven · 03/06/2026 19:38

If you really want to know if they had sex, and whether he is finally telling you the truth, you could ask him to message her with something leading like ‘I still sometimes think about that night at the wedding’ and see what her response is? If he’s not lying and willing to do anything to prove his innocence. You don’t even have to do it but if he’s willing to it shows he’s not scared of what she might reveal.

And if she responds back you just say ‘kidding horse face’. Just joking don’t do that bit 🫣

pickalillyspooon · 03/06/2026 19:41

@OMGDidYouSayThatyou mean she convinced herself that you were an ex in order to be emotionally involved with another man?

I don’t think that’s the case here. I don’t think there was much emotional involvement with this woman as she was happily married. They are swingers, apparently. It was just a kink / fetish thing for her, and he got swept up in the excitement.

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OMGDidYouSayThat · 03/06/2026 19:42

Gloriia · 03/06/2026 18:49

Maybe it's more lack of opportunity. So, if an enthusiastic third party came on the scene you'd surely be tempted?

Why isn't your wife into you anymore, have you asked?

@Gloriia Honestly i don’t know the answer to that, if i was sober i would say absolutely not, one of the reasons i don’t drink too much is that drink tends to elevate the mood your in and while i’m feeling the way i am drinking may have the power to override my morals but it’s never happened before and i have had opportunities, i would rather have steak at home than go out for a burger, problem is the steak is cold at the moment. I asked her if she was ‘in love with me’ and she said yes, now she has had a lot to deal with health wise and with the kids being hard work and her hormones will be at an all time low if not non existent so i can’t put it all on her as it’s not fair.

I was honest with her and said i’m not sure if i can live the rest of my life feeling lonely and without intimacy and she just said, you have a choice to make stay or go. Bit cold but to the point i suppose.

pickalillyspooon · 03/06/2026 19:43

OchreRaven · 03/06/2026 19:38

If you really want to know if they had sex, and whether he is finally telling you the truth, you could ask him to message her with something leading like ‘I still sometimes think about that night at the wedding’ and see what her response is? If he’s not lying and willing to do anything to prove his innocence. You don’t even have to do it but if he’s willing to it shows he’s not scared of what she might reveal.

And if she responds back you just say ‘kidding horse face’. Just joking don’t do that bit 🫣

Edited

@OchreRaventhat really made me laugh, thank you.

I would never contact her as I don’t want to give her the satisfaction.

But I see your point about threatening to to see his reaction.

I did say I was going to do that in the past and he said ok.

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pickalillyspooon · 03/06/2026 19:45

Edited to add: it didn’t particularly give me any comfort that he was telling the truth becuase he could easily give her the heads up and tell her to lie to me, which she would.

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OMGDidYouSayThat · 03/06/2026 19:46

pickalillyspooon · 03/06/2026 19:41

@OMGDidYouSayThatyou mean she convinced herself that you were an ex in order to be emotionally involved with another man?

I don’t think that’s the case here. I don’t think there was much emotional involvement with this woman as she was happily married. They are swingers, apparently. It was just a kink / fetish thing for her, and he got swept up in the excitement.

@pickalillyspooon not really, i mean she went with another man, fell for him in a way then had to come back to me leaving her emotions with him. Which i think would explain her emotional detachment from me.

Your situation although still awful sounds like there is some kind of explanation for it. And the lack of emotional involvement would sit better with me.

pickalillyspooon · 03/06/2026 19:50

@OMGDidYouSayThatoh I see. I’m sorry to hear that. What makes you think there was another guy? Have you asked her about it?

And yeah this woman isn’t someone he sought out. He was lonely and sexually frustrated and we weren’t getting along and this woman just handed herself to him

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OMGDidYouSayThat · 03/06/2026 19:56

pickalillyspooon · 03/06/2026 19:50

@OMGDidYouSayThatoh I see. I’m sorry to hear that. What makes you think there was another guy? Have you asked her about it?

And yeah this woman isn’t someone he sought out. He was lonely and sexually frustrated and we weren’t getting along and this woman just handed herself to him

@pickalillyspooon i don’t like admitting it but in have a history of being cheated on, it’s nice guy syndrome, i can easily spot the signs, suddenly being secretive about your phone, having on silent, disappearing for hours with no explanation when totally out of character, suddenly wanting sex for several days in a row after years of nothing then stop suddenly. Guilt sex, been there before. She would never admit it, not in her nature and she knows it would finish me off.

The fact your man never went looking for it is a massive positive, shame on the woman who presumably knew he was married.

Gloriia · 03/06/2026 20:11

OMGDidYouSayThat · 03/06/2026 19:42

@Gloriia Honestly i don’t know the answer to that, if i was sober i would say absolutely not, one of the reasons i don’t drink too much is that drink tends to elevate the mood your in and while i’m feeling the way i am drinking may have the power to override my morals but it’s never happened before and i have had opportunities, i would rather have steak at home than go out for a burger, problem is the steak is cold at the moment. I asked her if she was ‘in love with me’ and she said yes, now she has had a lot to deal with health wise and with the kids being hard work and her hormones will be at an all time low if not non existent so i can’t put it all on her as it’s not fair.

I was honest with her and said i’m not sure if i can live the rest of my life feeling lonely and without intimacy and she just said, you have a choice to make stay or go. Bit cold but to the point i suppose.

That's awful. Everyone has a lot to deal with. Kids, illness, ageing etc. It's life. To enforce a sexless relationship on someone is so wrong. It is all on her to develop strategies to cope with everyday things imo.
Is she financially reliant on you?

Zanatdy · 03/06/2026 20:12

Did you go to the hotel and tell him it was over to punish him, or did you genuinely mean it? I think you need to end it, as you can’t forgive and forget, and it’s not fair to either of you to carry on like this. He did wrong, but you can’t punish him forever, this isn’t right for any of you. You’ll find a way to make it work living separately, and sure the kids will adjust. As will both of you. Good luck.

Joolay · 03/06/2026 20:16

I think yes.

OMGDidYouSayThat · 03/06/2026 20:21

Gloriia · 03/06/2026 20:11

That's awful. Everyone has a lot to deal with. Kids, illness, ageing etc. It's life. To enforce a sexless relationship on someone is so wrong. It is all on her to develop strategies to cope with everyday things imo.
Is she financially reliant on you?

@Gloriia yes to a large degree, i’m the wage earner and it suits us both i guess because she gets to give her undivided to the kids and it’s easier on her health, i don’t care if she works or not really as long as she is happy, and it’s that caring attitude that has probably ruined me, she has kind of sherked responsibility around intimacy by giving me the choice to stay and put up with it or go. My gut tells me that someone who is in love with you would try to find a compromise somewhere, in a way talking about it can have the opposite effect, i.e showing false emotion for a short period of time to appease the situation, normality usually prevails pretty quickly, hand holding and hugs soon disappear.

Gloriia · 03/06/2026 21:27

OMGDidYouSayThat · 03/06/2026 20:21

@Gloriia yes to a large degree, i’m the wage earner and it suits us both i guess because she gets to give her undivided to the kids and it’s easier on her health, i don’t care if she works or not really as long as she is happy, and it’s that caring attitude that has probably ruined me, she has kind of sherked responsibility around intimacy by giving me the choice to stay and put up with it or go. My gut tells me that someone who is in love with you would try to find a compromise somewhere, in a way talking about it can have the opposite effect, i.e showing false emotion for a short period of time to appease the situation, normality usually prevails pretty quickly, hand holding and hugs soon disappear.

She's taking you for granted. Obviously 2 sides to every story but many people have kids and medical conditions to deal with but relationships need care and effort too.
5 yrs without intimacy isn't a relationship, it's househsare situation. I'd really try and get her to talk more has she gone off you, might she ever want any form of intimacy again. Is she having a fling again? Is she in touch with the suspected previous fling? Honestly life is too short to live like this.

OMGDidYouSayThat · 03/06/2026 21:43

Gloriia · 03/06/2026 21:27

She's taking you for granted. Obviously 2 sides to every story but many people have kids and medical conditions to deal with but relationships need care and effort too.
5 yrs without intimacy isn't a relationship, it's househsare situation. I'd really try and get her to talk more has she gone off you, might she ever want any form of intimacy again. Is she having a fling again? Is she in touch with the suspected previous fling? Honestly life is too short to live like this.

@gloria i can say with some certainty that she’s definitely not having a fling now, and i’m pretty sure she’s not hiding anything as she’ll freely hand me her phone if she wants to show me something or she needs something fixing, i guess the biggest issue is that if i chose to walk away i’d make sure she got her half of everything, and i’d be the same hands-on father i am now, but her lifestyle would be significantly worse, so knowing that, would she even be honest about whether she’s ‘in love with me’ because if she said she isn’t, that would definitely signal the end, and a big lifestyle change. If she genuinely isn’t bothered about closeness and intimacy as long as i’m seen to be just dealing with it, it’s a win win for her is it not?

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