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Is this an emotional affair?

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Hubbyissue82 · 24/10/2025 13:49

Long post. Sorry.
Husband and I are around our 40s and have been married for nearly 10 years now. In the past 10 years we have bought our own home, filled it not just with love but with two children and a dog. Which is not to say it has been easy… It has not been, on my end at least, for about a year.
Let me allow you a bit more background: hubby and I share the same workplace, though we are employed there in different positions. I only see him around lunchtime, which we – usually – spend together. About a year ago, our workplace hired someone new. I will refer to her as Girl. Girl is twenty-four and works closely with husband. Exactly how would give too much away, but they often work as a team. Initially, husband didn't like the idea of Girl assisting him in his work, because 1) she is quite a bit younger than we are, which, in our experience, often leads to different attitudes and therefore disagreement, and 2) she is freshly graduated, and, as such, not a very experienced professional.
His opinion of Girl changed rather quickly. I found this positive, as the idea of Girl working alongside him had previously caused some stress. Husband informed me that Girl made a favourable first impression, both on the people he works with and on him. I myself have of course already met Girl. Girl is friendly, creative, gentle. Impassioned about the work she does. I understood immediately how come hubby and Girl got along swimmingly.
Since Girl has started her job at our workplace, I have noticed, a couple of changes have emerged in the relationship between hubby and me. The most evident of them all is that hubby spends a lot of time with Girl. He doesn't say it like this, of course. But I know he works overtime, sometimes multiple days in the week, on projects he undertakes with Girl to innovate. ‘Breathing new life into old ideas’. OK, honey. Then, there is our lunch breaks! We would enjoy these together, before. These moments I look forward to throughout the morning have had to make way more than once for “work stuff”. Code, of course, for “creative brainstorming” with Girl. He never mentions he is doing this work stuff with her; this is what alerted me in the first place. Why does he feel the need to leave out Girl when he tells me he can’t spend his lunch break with me?
I have asked him about this, by the way. I appreciate forthright communication and he has always done the same. His answer was pretty clear: he presumed I knew, since his job is basically a shared position, now, and presumed as well that I did not care. I told him that I don’t, but that I feel a bit strange about his total silence about Girl in this “work stuff”. We had a good, honest conversation about it, I thought, and so I thought that was the end of my paranoiac suspicions about him and Girl. Why was I worried, anyway? Hubby likes his women blonde and skinny. Girl is dark haired and somewhat on the chubby side. NOT his type. He has made (lighthearted) jokes about her figure. So, NO reason to fret. Right?
Some time on from this valuable conversation, Girl and hubby continue to be “work pals”. Since Girl lives closeby, on the mornings he is not the one to bring our kids to school, hubby picks her up in the early morning and they carpool to work together. This decision was not made by us both. One morning, hubby just told me he felt it would be a good thing to do. I asked “why?”. She can drive, after all, she has her own car. He said it just felt like a nice thing to do. OK, honey. So Girl and him do not just spend many lunchbreaks together, but they drive to work together, as well. Again I had a conversation with hubby about his relationship with Girl. I named it for what it was in my eyes, a relationship. I asked him if it didn’t feel strange, to somehow connect so well with a woman more than ten years his (our) junior. At this he seemed mildly ticked off. He expressed that he found it ‘difficult’ that I was suspicious of this work relationship, since he has not always been lucky to have pleasant co-workers; I said I was not suspicious, maybe a bit worried, since so much of his time and thoughts are shared with Girl. Eventually we agreed on a boundary, being that outside of school, he would limit his communication with Girl, as they were certainly crossing into close friendship territory as opposed to close colleague territory.
He agreed. Communication, however, has not ceased. It did for a little while, I think, but I am aware they speak on Facebook and message back and forth. Which in and of itself I find deeply appropriate for a late 30s father and a mid 20s single woman. So… I may or may not have snooped a week or two ago to see just what these messages contain. All in all the entire chat log was innocent. Back and forth about everything and nothing. Something in me, though, reads all of it as two people falling in love? I can’t quite put my finger on it. Mocking teasing, sending one another photo’s of “thing that reminded me of you today while I was shopping!”, juvenile memes I don’t understand but he seems to like. I also found out hubby has bought her a gift on occasion (one time, a set of books; another time, a necklace with the initial of her name). Why does he do this? Why doesn’t he tell me he does this?
Since this I have been living in this weird state of being torn between two roads. I do trust husband. He has never given me any reason to suspect him of infidelity. Out of everyone I know, hubby would be the last I would think is capable of lying, cheating, etc. And yet, on the other road there is the strange reality that we have grown a bit more distant. We are a good couple and good parents to our kids as we have been but I can’t say things haven’t cooled down in certain departments of our relationship. Barely any dates. Sex is… something that happens maybe once a month.
I hope this Bible I wrote paints a somewhat clear picture for you to be able to answer this post's title. Is hubby having an emotional affair? If this goes on, will he cheat? It's a tough spot to be in, I hope some other perspectives or perhaps even experiences from other women will help me recognize just what position I am in. Or, well, what to expect. Ask me any questions if you would like to know more. I am an open book and sort of desperate, I'll admit.
Thank you in advance!

OP posts:
176509user · 25/10/2025 07:26

ToastedAlmond · 25/10/2025 07:22

I imagined a doctor or a lawyer and his assistant.

I think he has a crush on her.

I would never discount any woman as not 'his type' because I don't think men genuinely have a type when there is an opportunity, it's their biology to be able to be sexually attracted to basically any woman if the other conditions are right e.g. time alone together in close proximity. I also think that some men make jokes about the other woman's appearance and proclaim she's sooo not his type when he actually fancies her. It's just an act to throw the wife off the scent.

Not sure what job title has to do with it ?🙄

Agree about throwing OP off the scent by saying not his type

1976a · 25/10/2025 07:26

This happened to me but I got wind of it when flowers were sent to her. I found out as I checked his phone. The messages said ‘I’ll miss you so much when you’re gone and hope you liked the flowers’
luckily she was leaving his company but I went ballistic.
1, I packed a bag, turned off my phone tracker, and stayed in a hotel for 2 nights! (It was a weekend) so he had to sort children’s etc
2, I then wrote him a factual, not lovingemail, from my hotel room with room service, baths and tele
i laid it on the line, every piece of evidence I had, but by bit, how I felt and how it would e d up a. Affair OR
stop it all fucking now or I will be filing for divorce
he chose me but I was 💯 willing to split as I will not be second best to anyone in my marriage.
I’m sorry about this twat of a husband x

ToastedAlmond · 25/10/2025 07:30

Yes, the necklace and nicknames are too intimate. 'Necklaces, wear around your neck close to your heart, think of me as you go by your day, a constant reminder of the gifter'
It's a romantic gift. I'm having Love Actually flash blacks.

GirtyPlunder · 25/10/2025 07:31

1976a · 25/10/2025 07:26

This happened to me but I got wind of it when flowers were sent to her. I found out as I checked his phone. The messages said ‘I’ll miss you so much when you’re gone and hope you liked the flowers’
luckily she was leaving his company but I went ballistic.
1, I packed a bag, turned off my phone tracker, and stayed in a hotel for 2 nights! (It was a weekend) so he had to sort children’s etc
2, I then wrote him a factual, not lovingemail, from my hotel room with room service, baths and tele
i laid it on the line, every piece of evidence I had, but by bit, how I felt and how it would e d up a. Affair OR
stop it all fucking now or I will be filing for divorce
he chose me but I was 💯 willing to split as I will not be second best to anyone in my marriage.
I’m sorry about this twat of a husband x

For future reference, if he does it again (let's hope not) I wouldn't leave the kids like that, legally it can be seen as "abandonment of minor children" and then you're stuffed when it comes to any kind of custody battle.

ToastedAlmond · 25/10/2025 07:33

176509user · 25/10/2025 07:26

Not sure what job title has to do with it ?🙄

Agree about throwing OP off the scent by saying not his type

Why are you rolling your eyes? Someone upthread said: 'It's teachers', op then confirmed it is teachers and a few comments talked about affairs between teachers.
Jobs where there is this dynamic of senior man, younger inexperienced woman working closely have a certain dynamic and are relevant to the conversation. You make it sound like I suddenly talked about the weather.
😛

TakenewNn · 25/10/2025 07:34

Your “hubby” is a dick who has had his head turned by youth and is probably thinking that he went for the wrong type of women all along when in reality he is having a classic midlife crisis.

Hanschristiananderson · 25/10/2025 07:44

OP I don’t mean to be unkind, but you sound oddly detached. I do find the way you talk about Girl quite sneery and unpleasant. Almost misogynistic. You seem pretty sure that she wouldn’t want an affair with your husband but she isn’t avoiding having lifts with him or declining his gifts. She’s encouraging him. I think you’re being quite naive. Also the way you speak about your husband is quite detached, as if you don’t really know him very well. You don’t sound close or even in love . Is there an issue with your marriage if you’re really honest with yourself?

I’ve been in your situation and know how gut wrenching painful it is. However I think you need to really take some time to think honestly about what’s going on here and deal with it .

Roseshavethorns · 25/10/2025 07:50

Are you much older than your husband? You seem to be very focused on her youth and calling her girl is quite disrespectful. I wonder if she was an older newly qualified teacher would you still be so uneasy if they became friends.
Trying to look at this objectively I think I would ask how do you know he texts other colleagues/friends differently? You say he texts a lot with friends. Do you see those texts? Do you know the tone is different?
Is your DH someone who buys a lot of gifts? If my sister were to buy a gift for someone it would raise red flags (no matter what it is), her DH, however buys the most thoughtful gifts all the time, for everyone. If he sees something that makes him think of a person he will buy it. Just because. If your husband is like my bil I wouldn't think anything of him giving her gifts, if he is not then, yes, it would make me feel uneasy. I would be more upset about the book than the necklace as personalised jewellery is often tacky and a joke but a book is very personal.
The car pooling in this financial situation and the push to be more environmentally aware is easily explained.
I am a great believer in intuition. If you feel that he has changed then there may be something to be concerned about. Have your mutual colleagues mentioned anything to you about their friendship?
To be honest to me it doesn't sound like an emotional affair but it does sound (depending on the answers to the questions above) like your husband may be developing an infatuation for her.

JoBrandsCleaner · 25/10/2025 08:03

What size would you say she is?

RiseOfTheTeenyTinies · 25/10/2025 08:03

If you work in the same place I would pop into the classroom during one of their “working lunches” (take him a sandwich or something) hopefully she is wearing the necklace and you can compliment her on it and ask where she got it from. Put them both on the spot and see if they squirm or lie.

WeeGeeBored · 25/10/2025 08:09

Karatema · 24/10/2025 14:02

This is not good. The gifts are definitely out of place.

Especially a necklace with her initial on. It sounds as though he is falling/has fallen in love. Your instincts are spot on and he is gaslighting you. So sorry.

reversingdumptruckwithnotyreson · 25/10/2025 08:20

@roseshavebeautifulthorns he could have the habit of buying entire gift shops, buying jewellery to anyone other than his own wife (or maybe other female relatives on special occasions) is absolutely crossing the line and wildly inappropriate.

It would be inappropriate whether this woman is 24 or 42.

Bloatstoat · 25/10/2025 08:23

MrTiddlesTheCat · 24/10/2025 18:36

He's avoiding sex and intimacy because it would feel disloyal to her. It's textbook cheater behaviour.

I agree, this or he's spinning her the classic line 'my wife and I are really just roommates who stay together for the kids' and in his head it's not really a lie if he's avoiding intimacy.

OP. I'm sorry I agree with the majority here, I've been in realtionships where the man has spent less time and effort than your husband is doing with the OW. And in my experience if he's straight, ALL women, especially adoring younger women, will be his type.

UninitendedShark · 25/10/2025 08:32

Ugh yes this is not good. I used to work in schools and relationships (and extra marital relationships) were super common. If he’s choosing to spend what little time he has free in his day with another woman is a very big red flag. It might be one-sided but he’s definitely far too attached to her.

ToastedAlmond · 25/10/2025 08:34

JoBrandsCleaner · 25/10/2025 08:03

What size would you say she is?

😆😂😂I must admit I was curious too

Ofstedhelp · 25/10/2025 08:37

Oh this is quite the sad read 😔 you seem to be trying to manage yourself very reasonably but you are under-reacting to what is happening in broad daylight.

did he tell you about the gifts? Would seem you only knew due to phone snoop.

you do not, buy a necklace for your younger work colleague - unless you feel a certain type of way. She is occupying his mind, and his time. He is utterly disrespecting you.

I would love to see how he faired had the roles been reversed here. Theres no sex OP because even if he’s not yet getting it with her, he’s transferred his attractions and wants elsewhere. You are very clearly not even on his radar anymore.

Call a spade a spade to his face, as someone else said and tell him exactly what you’ll do about it if he doesn’t get his act together. To be honest if she’s not temporary he’s going to need to look for a new job since he clearly can’t help his infactuation.

GarlicHound · 25/10/2025 08:57

GirtyPlunder · 25/10/2025 07:31

For future reference, if he does it again (let's hope not) I wouldn't leave the kids like that, legally it can be seen as "abandonment of minor children" and then you're stuffed when it comes to any kind of custody battle.

Er, she abandoned them to the co-parent. For a weekend. You think all parents who go away without their kids are at risk of losing them? Surely not. What about sending the DC to go and stay with their grandparents? Or to boarding school, or on Scouts trips??

waterrat · 25/10/2025 09:00

I think in these situations where your H as basically lost his mind - and is behaving DEEPLY inappropiately with a younger colleague - you need to wake him up with cold water on the face (metaphorically speaking) -

He needs to know he is about to lose you - access daily to family life - everything is going to change. So he can consider whether getting to keep flirting and potentially sleep with this young woman is worth it

Look at it this way if he absolutely does NOt fancy her- he would have no problem putting you and the family first.

By the way there is often an angle on these threads(which I understand comes from a place of hurt) of belittling a young woman. Please try and think - if she was a young relative of yours or a close friend and you were her age - you would see what was happening here as it is - complete and gross betrayal of professional roles, grooming of a young vulnerable colleague - abuse of a power dynamic etc.

the fact he jokes about her being 'plump ' is gross by the way.

reversingdumptruckwithnotyreson · 25/10/2025 09:10

@waterrat grooming of a young vulnerable colleague… at 24? Plus there’s nothing to indicate she’s vulnerable.

researchers3 · 25/10/2025 09:14

Hubbyissue82 · 24/10/2025 15:13

Between caring for 2 kids and some other private stuff going on I haven't had the courage. And sort of figured he would tell me on his own time. He hasn't though. Would it be a good idea to ask? Or wait until he shares it with me himself?

You'll be waiting forever.

The chance that this is already physical is high. They've fallen for each other.

The question is, what do you do now? Don't count on him to be honest with you because that very rarely happens.

redpuppy16 · 25/10/2025 09:15

Typical pattern of a man having an affair or massive infatuation! Why not show him the post and the replies? Yes they are from women but they are from other wives and women who ALL find his behaviour unacceptable x

notthisagain2025 · 25/10/2025 09:15

It's an affair.

notthisagain2025 · 25/10/2025 09:17

1976a · 25/10/2025 07:26

This happened to me but I got wind of it when flowers were sent to her. I found out as I checked his phone. The messages said ‘I’ll miss you so much when you’re gone and hope you liked the flowers’
luckily she was leaving his company but I went ballistic.
1, I packed a bag, turned off my phone tracker, and stayed in a hotel for 2 nights! (It was a weekend) so he had to sort children’s etc
2, I then wrote him a factual, not lovingemail, from my hotel room with room service, baths and tele
i laid it on the line, every piece of evidence I had, but by bit, how I felt and how it would e d up a. Affair OR
stop it all fucking now or I will be filing for divorce
he chose me but I was 💯 willing to split as I will not be second best to anyone in my marriage.
I’m sorry about this twat of a husband x

He chose you. Barf. Sloppy seconds. You should just have left him.

Treesandsheepeverywhere · 25/10/2025 09:20

Do you buy necklaces and other presents for colleagues just because OP?

Did he buy something for you or the kids at the same time if he was feeling so generous?

Many men have a second wife or OW who looks nothing like the first.

Most men have a type when they're younger but some mature to fall in love with people not bodies.

Opportunity plays a part in affairs, if she was a man, they wouldn't be spending lunches together in the classroom.

3luckystars · 25/10/2025 09:39

They are falling in love with each other.

I have no issue with what you called her and may have called her a lot worse. This is completely openly happening and it’s YOUR workplace too.

But what you are going to do to stop it, I don’t know.

If he really loves her, and it’s not just sex, maybe you could appeal to that side of him and say her career will be destroyed because of gossip of their affair and she will likely have to leave the job. If he really cares about her, he will stop it immediately and move away from her. That’s the only thing I can suggest.

But do you actually want him, if he loves someone else?