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Is this an emotional affair?

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Hubbyissue82 · 24/10/2025 13:49

Long post. Sorry.
Husband and I are around our 40s and have been married for nearly 10 years now. In the past 10 years we have bought our own home, filled it not just with love but with two children and a dog. Which is not to say it has been easy… It has not been, on my end at least, for about a year.
Let me allow you a bit more background: hubby and I share the same workplace, though we are employed there in different positions. I only see him around lunchtime, which we – usually – spend together. About a year ago, our workplace hired someone new. I will refer to her as Girl. Girl is twenty-four and works closely with husband. Exactly how would give too much away, but they often work as a team. Initially, husband didn't like the idea of Girl assisting him in his work, because 1) she is quite a bit younger than we are, which, in our experience, often leads to different attitudes and therefore disagreement, and 2) she is freshly graduated, and, as such, not a very experienced professional.
His opinion of Girl changed rather quickly. I found this positive, as the idea of Girl working alongside him had previously caused some stress. Husband informed me that Girl made a favourable first impression, both on the people he works with and on him. I myself have of course already met Girl. Girl is friendly, creative, gentle. Impassioned about the work she does. I understood immediately how come hubby and Girl got along swimmingly.
Since Girl has started her job at our workplace, I have noticed, a couple of changes have emerged in the relationship between hubby and me. The most evident of them all is that hubby spends a lot of time with Girl. He doesn't say it like this, of course. But I know he works overtime, sometimes multiple days in the week, on projects he undertakes with Girl to innovate. ‘Breathing new life into old ideas’. OK, honey. Then, there is our lunch breaks! We would enjoy these together, before. These moments I look forward to throughout the morning have had to make way more than once for “work stuff”. Code, of course, for “creative brainstorming” with Girl. He never mentions he is doing this work stuff with her; this is what alerted me in the first place. Why does he feel the need to leave out Girl when he tells me he can’t spend his lunch break with me?
I have asked him about this, by the way. I appreciate forthright communication and he has always done the same. His answer was pretty clear: he presumed I knew, since his job is basically a shared position, now, and presumed as well that I did not care. I told him that I don’t, but that I feel a bit strange about his total silence about Girl in this “work stuff”. We had a good, honest conversation about it, I thought, and so I thought that was the end of my paranoiac suspicions about him and Girl. Why was I worried, anyway? Hubby likes his women blonde and skinny. Girl is dark haired and somewhat on the chubby side. NOT his type. He has made (lighthearted) jokes about her figure. So, NO reason to fret. Right?
Some time on from this valuable conversation, Girl and hubby continue to be “work pals”. Since Girl lives closeby, on the mornings he is not the one to bring our kids to school, hubby picks her up in the early morning and they carpool to work together. This decision was not made by us both. One morning, hubby just told me he felt it would be a good thing to do. I asked “why?”. She can drive, after all, she has her own car. He said it just felt like a nice thing to do. OK, honey. So Girl and him do not just spend many lunchbreaks together, but they drive to work together, as well. Again I had a conversation with hubby about his relationship with Girl. I named it for what it was in my eyes, a relationship. I asked him if it didn’t feel strange, to somehow connect so well with a woman more than ten years his (our) junior. At this he seemed mildly ticked off. He expressed that he found it ‘difficult’ that I was suspicious of this work relationship, since he has not always been lucky to have pleasant co-workers; I said I was not suspicious, maybe a bit worried, since so much of his time and thoughts are shared with Girl. Eventually we agreed on a boundary, being that outside of school, he would limit his communication with Girl, as they were certainly crossing into close friendship territory as opposed to close colleague territory.
He agreed. Communication, however, has not ceased. It did for a little while, I think, but I am aware they speak on Facebook and message back and forth. Which in and of itself I find deeply appropriate for a late 30s father and a mid 20s single woman. So… I may or may not have snooped a week or two ago to see just what these messages contain. All in all the entire chat log was innocent. Back and forth about everything and nothing. Something in me, though, reads all of it as two people falling in love? I can’t quite put my finger on it. Mocking teasing, sending one another photo’s of “thing that reminded me of you today while I was shopping!”, juvenile memes I don’t understand but he seems to like. I also found out hubby has bought her a gift on occasion (one time, a set of books; another time, a necklace with the initial of her name). Why does he do this? Why doesn’t he tell me he does this?
Since this I have been living in this weird state of being torn between two roads. I do trust husband. He has never given me any reason to suspect him of infidelity. Out of everyone I know, hubby would be the last I would think is capable of lying, cheating, etc. And yet, on the other road there is the strange reality that we have grown a bit more distant. We are a good couple and good parents to our kids as we have been but I can’t say things haven’t cooled down in certain departments of our relationship. Barely any dates. Sex is… something that happens maybe once a month.
I hope this Bible I wrote paints a somewhat clear picture for you to be able to answer this post's title. Is hubby having an emotional affair? If this goes on, will he cheat? It's a tough spot to be in, I hope some other perspectives or perhaps even experiences from other women will help me recognize just what position I am in. Or, well, what to expect. Ask me any questions if you would like to know more. I am an open book and sort of desperate, I'll admit.
Thank you in advance!

OP posts:
Mangetoutmangetouti · 25/10/2025 09:48

I hate that you call her girl but ill overlook it because you’re upset.
the necklace is so out of line.
it sounds horrible to be the onlooker. I have been in a weird triangle with my partner and his new woman friend.
she wasn’t his type physically but he kept putting her before me, made me feel crap.
I didn’t realise at first but then I left them to get on with it.
Not my circus, I’m not fighting for attention

WeeGeeBored · 25/10/2025 09:51

Bloatstoat · 25/10/2025 08:23

I agree, this or he's spinning her the classic line 'my wife and I are really just roommates who stay together for the kids' and in his head it's not really a lie if he's avoiding intimacy.

OP. I'm sorry I agree with the majority here, I've been in realtionships where the man has spent less time and effort than your husband is doing with the OW. And in my experience if he's straight, ALL women, especially adoring younger women, will be his type.

And in some men's eyes young "chubby" - as op puts it - is very different to older "chubby".

Fiveandeight58 · 25/10/2025 09:52

I worked in large secondary schools for many years and affairs among staff are very common believe me, also I can assure you the rest of the staff in the school will have picked up on their closeness and have put two and two together and come up with 22 and are possibly whispering behind your back with other colleagues wether their is any truth in it or not. I can recall an almost identical scenario to yours male teacher with skinny blonde wife very good looking having an affair with a rather plain in comparison to wife admin staff member they ended up together all still worked in same school along with ex wife’s new partner. Maybe it’s time to ask a close colleague if they’ve heard anything and check his phone further cos if there is an affair I can guarantee everyone except you will know.

AmyDuPlantier · 25/10/2025 09:55

Jesus the OP can’t win. She must not be rude about the woman fucking her husband. The woman is not a girl. The girl is being groomed.

The derailment of every thread on here these days makes it such a shit place to spend any amount of time.

ainsleysanob · 25/10/2025 09:57

waterrat · 25/10/2025 09:00

I think in these situations where your H as basically lost his mind - and is behaving DEEPLY inappropiately with a younger colleague - you need to wake him up with cold water on the face (metaphorically speaking) -

He needs to know he is about to lose you - access daily to family life - everything is going to change. So he can consider whether getting to keep flirting and potentially sleep with this young woman is worth it

Look at it this way if he absolutely does NOt fancy her- he would have no problem putting you and the family first.

By the way there is often an angle on these threads(which I understand comes from a place of hurt) of belittling a young woman. Please try and think - if she was a young relative of yours or a close friend and you were her age - you would see what was happening here as it is - complete and gross betrayal of professional roles, grooming of a young vulnerable colleague - abuse of a power dynamic etc.

the fact he jokes about her being 'plump ' is gross by the way.

Oh give it a rest. I’d been married with a mortgage for two years at 24, she isn’t vulnerable at all. Shes just after shagging another woman’s husband, a colleagues husband at that, she’s a nasty piece of work. Who the fuck accepts gifts, effort and emotion from a scum bag man with a wife and kids? Vulnerable?!

WeeGeeBored · 25/10/2025 09:57

AmyDuPlantier · 25/10/2025 09:55

Jesus the OP can’t win. She must not be rude about the woman fucking her husband. The woman is not a girl. The girl is being groomed.

The derailment of every thread on here these days makes it such a shit place to spend any amount of time.

I feel like you're derailing the thread.

3luckystars · 25/10/2025 10:00

No you are

3luckystars · 25/10/2025 10:01

😂

sorry I shouldn’t be joking. I think one thing we all agree on is that this has crossed the line and it’s ok to annoyed about it.

VanessaSanessa · 25/10/2025 10:06

ainsleysanob · 25/10/2025 09:57

Oh give it a rest. I’d been married with a mortgage for two years at 24, she isn’t vulnerable at all. Shes just after shagging another woman’s husband, a colleagues husband at that, she’s a nasty piece of work. Who the fuck accepts gifts, effort and emotion from a scum bag man with a wife and kids? Vulnerable?!

To be fair, you don't know that woman's background.

While I do think women should help each other, he is the one with the vows.

VanessaSanessa · 25/10/2025 10:07

OP. I saw this in my workplace, many years ago. Very same situation.

It was an emotional affair and the husband left for the younger woman.

I wouldn't necessarily assume their relationship is physical but who knows.

DrinkFeckArseBrick · 25/10/2025 10:09

Definitely emotional affair

Saying thanks for specific things is professional. Constantly fawning over how much someone has helped your career isn't

Having nicknames for each other at work but not others is unprofessional

Buying personal gifts for someone at work us unprofessional (unless it's something like a cake while you were picking one up yourself, or it's part of a wider organised birthday thing)

Spending lunchtimes with just one person, and dumping your own wife to do so, is shit

Constant messaging when you've already spent the whole day together is OTT

There are so many signs OP that he is obsessed with her. Other people will have noticed. The fact you all work at the same place and he hasn't curbed his behavior or doesn't seem to care how it looks shows how deep its got.

Please don't question yourself. If you find nothing on his phone, it's still an E A

Glindaa · 25/10/2025 10:19

I don’t blame you for looking through his phone, he’s given you reason to suspect something going on and he’s kept things from you.
The necklace is a red flag.🚩

Noshadelamp · 25/10/2025 10:20

Hubbyissue82 · 24/10/2025 15:13

Between caring for 2 kids and some other private stuff going on I haven't had the courage. And sort of figured he would tell me on his own time. He hasn't though. Would it be a good idea to ask? Or wait until he shares it with me himself?

He's not going to volunteer information that reveals he's having an EA.

A necklace or any jewellery for that matter is such is a personal gift usually thought of as for a loved one or family member, I don't understand how you can't see that?

It seems like you're in a bit of shock or denial which is understandable, but if you want to keep your marriage, you need to wake up to what's happening.
And don't believe a word he says about her, he'll easily gaslight you into believing anything.

Amberandsilver · 25/10/2025 10:24

The difference in appearance between the women he normally finds attractive and the new 'girl' struck a chord with me.

A workmate had her husband leave her for a 'new girl' at his office.

She was a completely difference appearance to his 'type' as well.

My colleague said her husband said he fell completely in love for the first time and always wanted someone like this.

It sounded absurd to both of us at the time.

It was maybe this feeling of newness and difference that he wanted?

(The new relationship didn't last long for him btw)

AmyDuPlantier · 25/10/2025 10:27

WeeGeeBored · 25/10/2025 09:57

I feel like you're derailing the thread.

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Good one.

user1492757084 · 25/10/2025 10:38

Can you speak with the manager in your workplace and just say that Girl is taking a long while to learn the ropes, your husband is still feeling like he needs to drive her to school and spend many lunch times with her. Ask manager to see whether Girl needs some other intervention with a different teacher, or perhaps needs to be left to swim on her own now.

Claim back your lunch hours with DH. Just go to where ever he is and lunch with him.
Have DH do more drop offs with your children.

The gifts are the big flags for me. Weird.
What would your husband say if you asked him what type of gift you could buy XXX? (young man teacher colleague because you are feeling nice.)

The driving to school is not at all appropriate.
You should bring up the car travel with your HR.
Your DH is putting himself in a position of being accused of all sorts of things. As a teacher we were taught not to be alone in a private space with any teenager, student teacher etc.
I don't think the young teacher is your husband's equal.

Nanny0gg · 25/10/2025 10:43

Mrspatmoresapprentice · 24/10/2025 17:14

Op is trying to navigate an awful situation, cut her a bit of slack. I would wager this “girl” knows exactly what she’s doing. Either that or she’s astoundingly naive. Not ideal, in a teacher.

And if she is newly qualified then she is inexperienced!

CrowMate · 25/10/2025 10:47

@user1492757084 Can you speak with the manager in your workplace and just say that Girl is taking a long while to learn the ropes, your husband is still feeling like he needs to drive her to school and spend many lunch times with her. Ask manager to see whether Girl needs some other intervention with a different teacher, or perhaps needs to be left to swim on her own

This is so wildly inappropriate. I’m aghast.

reversingdumptruckwithnotyreson · 25/10/2025 10:47

@Nanny0gg there’s no professional inexperience in the world that would explain entertaining receiving jewellery from a male colleague.

She knows the wife works there, if suddenly a colleague started wanting to spend their lunch time 1:1 with us, most women would find that creepy and casually ask them where’s their wife.

She knows exactly what she’s getting into.

ToastedAlmond · 25/10/2025 10:48

Let's be real a 24 year old is very much a girl when it comes to older male employer grooming. If she was 30, fine but under 25s are generally still pretty immature.

Nanny0gg · 25/10/2025 10:49

reversingdumptruckwithnotyreson · 25/10/2025 10:47

@Nanny0gg there’s no professional inexperience in the world that would explain entertaining receiving jewellery from a male colleague.

She knows the wife works there, if suddenly a colleague started wanting to spend their lunch time 1:1 with us, most women would find that creepy and casually ask them where’s their wife.

She knows exactly what she’s getting into.

I'm aware

I was purely referring to work level experience

Thewookiemustgo · 25/10/2025 10:55

OP he’s already being unfaithful, emotional affairs are classed as infidelity.
Also “he’s the one with the vows” whilst very true, never, ever excuses women’s personal behaviour around other women’s partners.
It is not up to women to police men, of course not, infidelity is a choice and they can and should choose not to.
However, women who knowingly accept this sort of behaviour from a married man, go along with it and/ or encourage it, are not ‘vulnerable’.
They know exactly what they are doing and they know that what they are doing within somebody else’s relationship is also morally wrong.
There are stereotypes on MN occasionally of the older male lothario ‘grooming’ the younger, vulnerable, naive woman, and the other one is the evil, beautiful siren woman seducing the helpless married man who is powerless to resist….they are both ways of portraying a victim and an offender and can be a way of passing the blame buck around in affairs.
The truth actually lies in another old adage “it takes two to tango.”
OP’s husband is the offender in OP’s marriage, but the young woman involved is not his hapless victim, she’s a willing accomplice and knows the difference between right and wrong and has personal agency in this situation. “Well, he’s the one who took the vows, the OW is single” might be true, but knowingly being somebody’s OW and ignoring the potential dire impact of your actions on others for your own selfish desires, is appalling behaviour by anybody’s standards. Being unfaithful to your partner is wrong, having a secret affair with somebody else’s partner is also wrong.
There are always two people behaving badly in affairs, not one.
Ultimatum time, OP, before it hits the fan and there are marriage breakups, disciplinaries, job losses and everybody involved is a laughing stock with colleagues, students and parents. It’s decades since I was at school as a student, but I could still tell you now the names of the teachers who were having affairs. It was obvious at the time and all came out in the end.
You deserve better treatment. Also be careful what you say here, your local press would have a field day with it, anything remotely scandalous in a local school is pure gold clickbait for their websites. You’d be astonished how stuff gets out and how far it can go. Big schools have very big rumour mills.

ToastedAlmond · 25/10/2025 11:08

sorry wrong thread

Justwanttobebythesea · 25/10/2025 11:37

VanessaSanessa · 25/10/2025 10:07

OP. I saw this in my workplace, many years ago. Very same situation.

It was an emotional affair and the husband left for the younger woman.

I wouldn't necessarily assume their relationship is physical but who knows.

Me too. Everyone noticed and was talking about it. The guy also left his wife.

Mangetoutmangetouti · 25/10/2025 11:39

I saw an older teacher fall for a younger colleague. They had an affair. He left his wife for her, she didn’t want him permanently, he ended up losing his job and his marriage