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Is this an emotional affair?

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Hubbyissue82 · 24/10/2025 13:49

Long post. Sorry.
Husband and I are around our 40s and have been married for nearly 10 years now. In the past 10 years we have bought our own home, filled it not just with love but with two children and a dog. Which is not to say it has been easy… It has not been, on my end at least, for about a year.
Let me allow you a bit more background: hubby and I share the same workplace, though we are employed there in different positions. I only see him around lunchtime, which we – usually – spend together. About a year ago, our workplace hired someone new. I will refer to her as Girl. Girl is twenty-four and works closely with husband. Exactly how would give too much away, but they often work as a team. Initially, husband didn't like the idea of Girl assisting him in his work, because 1) she is quite a bit younger than we are, which, in our experience, often leads to different attitudes and therefore disagreement, and 2) she is freshly graduated, and, as such, not a very experienced professional.
His opinion of Girl changed rather quickly. I found this positive, as the idea of Girl working alongside him had previously caused some stress. Husband informed me that Girl made a favourable first impression, both on the people he works with and on him. I myself have of course already met Girl. Girl is friendly, creative, gentle. Impassioned about the work she does. I understood immediately how come hubby and Girl got along swimmingly.
Since Girl has started her job at our workplace, I have noticed, a couple of changes have emerged in the relationship between hubby and me. The most evident of them all is that hubby spends a lot of time with Girl. He doesn't say it like this, of course. But I know he works overtime, sometimes multiple days in the week, on projects he undertakes with Girl to innovate. ‘Breathing new life into old ideas’. OK, honey. Then, there is our lunch breaks! We would enjoy these together, before. These moments I look forward to throughout the morning have had to make way more than once for “work stuff”. Code, of course, for “creative brainstorming” with Girl. He never mentions he is doing this work stuff with her; this is what alerted me in the first place. Why does he feel the need to leave out Girl when he tells me he can’t spend his lunch break with me?
I have asked him about this, by the way. I appreciate forthright communication and he has always done the same. His answer was pretty clear: he presumed I knew, since his job is basically a shared position, now, and presumed as well that I did not care. I told him that I don’t, but that I feel a bit strange about his total silence about Girl in this “work stuff”. We had a good, honest conversation about it, I thought, and so I thought that was the end of my paranoiac suspicions about him and Girl. Why was I worried, anyway? Hubby likes his women blonde and skinny. Girl is dark haired and somewhat on the chubby side. NOT his type. He has made (lighthearted) jokes about her figure. So, NO reason to fret. Right?
Some time on from this valuable conversation, Girl and hubby continue to be “work pals”. Since Girl lives closeby, on the mornings he is not the one to bring our kids to school, hubby picks her up in the early morning and they carpool to work together. This decision was not made by us both. One morning, hubby just told me he felt it would be a good thing to do. I asked “why?”. She can drive, after all, she has her own car. He said it just felt like a nice thing to do. OK, honey. So Girl and him do not just spend many lunchbreaks together, but they drive to work together, as well. Again I had a conversation with hubby about his relationship with Girl. I named it for what it was in my eyes, a relationship. I asked him if it didn’t feel strange, to somehow connect so well with a woman more than ten years his (our) junior. At this he seemed mildly ticked off. He expressed that he found it ‘difficult’ that I was suspicious of this work relationship, since he has not always been lucky to have pleasant co-workers; I said I was not suspicious, maybe a bit worried, since so much of his time and thoughts are shared with Girl. Eventually we agreed on a boundary, being that outside of school, he would limit his communication with Girl, as they were certainly crossing into close friendship territory as opposed to close colleague territory.
He agreed. Communication, however, has not ceased. It did for a little while, I think, but I am aware they speak on Facebook and message back and forth. Which in and of itself I find deeply appropriate for a late 30s father and a mid 20s single woman. So… I may or may not have snooped a week or two ago to see just what these messages contain. All in all the entire chat log was innocent. Back and forth about everything and nothing. Something in me, though, reads all of it as two people falling in love? I can’t quite put my finger on it. Mocking teasing, sending one another photo’s of “thing that reminded me of you today while I was shopping!”, juvenile memes I don’t understand but he seems to like. I also found out hubby has bought her a gift on occasion (one time, a set of books; another time, a necklace with the initial of her name). Why does he do this? Why doesn’t he tell me he does this?
Since this I have been living in this weird state of being torn between two roads. I do trust husband. He has never given me any reason to suspect him of infidelity. Out of everyone I know, hubby would be the last I would think is capable of lying, cheating, etc. And yet, on the other road there is the strange reality that we have grown a bit more distant. We are a good couple and good parents to our kids as we have been but I can’t say things haven’t cooled down in certain departments of our relationship. Barely any dates. Sex is… something that happens maybe once a month.
I hope this Bible I wrote paints a somewhat clear picture for you to be able to answer this post's title. Is hubby having an emotional affair? If this goes on, will he cheat? It's a tough spot to be in, I hope some other perspectives or perhaps even experiences from other women will help me recognize just what position I am in. Or, well, what to expect. Ask me any questions if you would like to know more. I am an open book and sort of desperate, I'll admit.
Thank you in advance!

OP posts:
lambdressedasspam · 25/10/2025 01:43

PumpkinMice · 24/10/2025 20:25

His “I thought you knew” defence after you found out he’d been having lunch with her was utter bullshit. He knew you didn’t know. He didn’t tell you because he was either fully aware you wouldn’t be happy and didn’t want to stop seeing her (prioritising his relationship with her over your happiness and the health of your marriage), or he didn’t tell you because he felt there was something to hide.

Travelling to and from work with her for no good reason, with his only justification being that it was a “nice thing to do”, was him deliberately seeking out a way to spend time alone with this young woman - knowing full well his relationship with her was damaging his relationship with you. He’s being incredibly brazen and making a bloody fool of himself in front of all your colleagues - who will have noticed.

I suspect he only agreed to stop communicating outside of work to get you off his back about her. If he had any intention of respecting those boundaries, or you, he wouldn’t have been secretly messaging her on social media. Having the freedom to deepen their connection was more important to him than the possibility of you being hurt by this, and he was willing to take the risk that you might find out. The secrecy, combined with them sharing that they’ve been thinking of each other when they’re apart, plus the nicknames and inside jokes are all textbook signs of an emotional affair.

You need to stop minimising the significance of him buying her a book and a necklace. Both are personal, thoughtful gifts designed to show her how much attention he’s paid to her, how well he knows her, and how much she matters to him. Of course he kept those gifts secret - he knew what he was doing, and that he was crossing a line. You’ve said you don’t think she’d go there, and I understand why you’d want to believe that…but the messages she sent thanking him suggest she was happy to receive them.

I’m so sorry OP, he’s being a monumental dick and you don’t deserve any of this. If it’s not progressed to something physical, would this be straight to divorce for you, or would you want to get tough with him and try to salvage your marriage? Would your decision change if you found evidence it was a physical affair?

You might not be able to confirm whether this has already turned into a physical affair or not, but his intentions are very clear: regardless of whether she’d go there, if he had the opportunity, he would. Do you think you’ll ever be able to trust him again?

Brilliantly done @PumpkinMice 🙌

lambdressedasspam · 25/10/2025 01:45

MrTiddlesTheCat · 24/10/2025 18:36

He's avoiding sex and intimacy because it would feel disloyal to her. It's textbook cheater behaviour.

Ah that cuts so real. I can feel that.

AnonymouseDad · 25/10/2025 02:09

You say he is the last person you'd expect to cheat. I said the same about my wife too. She became close with someone at her work who was in a bad spot and needed support.
I dismissed gut feelings because "she is the last person to ever cheat or lie".
I was wrong.
I wish I had called it out earlier. Before it became physical.
Your feelings are justified and not to be ignored by him. If he is doing something that makes you uncomfortable and hurts you then he needs to know now before it is too late.

MsDogLady · 25/10/2025 02:19

@Hubbyissue82, with respect, you are doing yourself a disservice by
underreacting to this real threat to your marriage.

Your H is treating this young woman as his adored girlfriend and she likely reciprocates, hence her being hunky-dory with all the intense contact and romantic gifts. They are enjoying mutual attraction and validation. As they do have extended alone-time, they may be physically involved by now, but are clearly deepening their closeness at the least, and are gaining momentum.

They are hardly ever apart, so will be conducting the main of their EA/PA in person. You may not find anything sexual or romantic on his phone. He could be deleting/using a hidden platform/ have a second phone. Or they may not be expressing their connection in those terms at this point. However, the boundary crossing which you do know about is destructive to your marriage. Their constant contact, the overfamiliarity of the messages you’ve seen, and the very personal gifts show an intimate dynamic that is appallingly inappropriate for a married man and his much younger junior colleague.

Take a look at Not Just Friends by Shirley Glass, which I referred to earlier. Her research and discussion of how primary relationships are seriously damaged by blurring boundaries with third parties is on point. Your H has opened a wide window to OW. He has sidelined and withdrawn his focus and intimacy from you while channeling more and more of his emotional energy, time and attention to her. She is his priority and he is by her side.

He has been downplaying their relationship to you and using subterfuge to hide their interactions. He intentionally lied and paid lip-service when agreeing to distance from OW. I assume he will attempt to minimize and gaslight you about the gifts and his continued investment in her [Friendship gifts because she’s been down; She’s like a little sister; You’re paranoid…unreasonable…overreacting…]. Please don’t allow yourself to be duped or cowed by his self-serving, manipulative agenda.

Read him the riot act and set sharp consequences, @Hubbyissue82. Choose passivity at your own and your children’s peril.

Lifeissodifficult · 25/10/2025 02:48

I have been in the position OP … my heart goes out to you.

SalonDesRefuses · 25/10/2025 03:09

I can't tell you how uncomfortable I would feel if a man bought me personalised jewellery and thoughtful gifts when I wasn't interested in him.

If someone did that to me (no matter if I was young or not) in my work place, I'd want to report them for making me feel so uncomfortable and crossing boundaries in a professional setting.

She clearly doesn't feel uncomfortable and is spending more time with him. There is definitely something going on.

But make up a fake name for her instead of calling her 'girl'. I was a working Mum with my own house at her age. I found your OP hard to read because of how belittling it came across.

ozarina · 25/10/2025 04:11

Hubbyissue82 · 24/10/2025 18:56

I am logging off for a bit trying to process everything. I will try the looking through hubby's (oops, made ya cringe!) phone thing tonight and, hopefully, find more answers. May post tomorrow, but I do have a busy day planned, so I'll see if I can afford a quick moment in between to come online, somewhere.
Thank you everyone for the advice thus far. I am reading everything and taking it along to do whats right.

I have to say you sound very calm and you're even joking on here. 🤷‍♀️ That wouldn't be me and wasn't my experience. Why are you so calm? Why are you not irritated with her too? It's usually the OW that gets most hatred.

I was once that 24 year old teacher and would have that WTF if my married head of dept/ mentor had given me a necklace but then I had been to tea at his house and met his wife and kids. No mobiles in those days either!

Joystir59 · 25/10/2025 04:23

I cannot imagine an innocent i.e. non-sexual motive for the gift giving. Sorry.

GarlicHound · 25/10/2025 04:34

Hubbyissue82 · 24/10/2025 15:22

I think there are a couple I trust. Some other teachers I have a good connection with and would probably address this with him in a discrete fashion. But I do fear he'll know I was the source since we have had numerous conversations on proper boundaries with her. And I think he may be offended I go around telling other people about our marriage.

Offending him is the least of your problems! Plus, as others have said, it's extremely unlikely your colleagues haven't noticed. Some of them may be agonising over whether to say anything to you.

I don't work in education but am assuming your Principal or Head of Department would be the person to talk to? How's your relationship with them?

MooDengOfThailand · 25/10/2025 05:39

I wouldn't like that at all. Sounds like he likes her very much.

Butterfly44 · 25/10/2025 05:47

ask about the gifts. He’s not going to tell you in his own time - he knows it’s wrong. Other colleagues surely notice. How would he feel if you did this. Maybe tell him to leave for while and come back when he’s decided to respect his wife and vows he took

Emptyandsad · 25/10/2025 05:49

This reads like poorly written fiction

GirtyPlunder · 25/10/2025 06:09

@Hubbyissue82 If this is a genuine situation you're posting about you need to put your big girl knickers on and sort it. I don't know because your tone throughout is so light hearted and conversational, I do wonder if you're just wasting everyone's time on here.

If not - you need to talk to each of them, face to face. Take her for a coffee, tell her that your marriage is in trouble because of their friendship and you need her to take more than one step back.

Talk to him. He needs to stop going down this route towards infidelity. He needs to stop it or move out.

come back can update us on what you've done.

LAMPS1 · 25/10/2025 06:19

He is risking his professionalism as well as his marriage.
Teachers in the staff room are likely to talk about any signals they notice indicating his developing crush on this beautiful and very keen newly qualified young woman.
He should have shut this down straight away, not encourage it with lift-giving and gift-giving.
I think you need to shut it right down for him, asap, over this half term.

Confront him OP !
It is highly inappropriate in his work place and he could so easily already be making a fool of himself. Save him from himself before it goes any further.
Only once you have done that, can you be in a position to think about how you feel about his developing betrayal.
In my opinion, the necklace should have had more alarm bells ringing very much louder for you.
Act quickly and be very firm.
You do mind and you absolutely should mind!
There is a lot at stake here.

caringcarer · 25/10/2025 06:23

The bit you said about reading through their text and banter you felt they were falling in love. That must have hurt you. Finding out he's buying her gifts and giving her unnecessary lifts to work are all evidence of EA. I think you could tell him no more lifts to work, no more texting her, no more gifts and lunch time spent with you or you won't stay with him.

ThisKindAmberLemur · 25/10/2025 06:24

Hmmmm. It's the necklace. I'm also a teacher. If an older male teacher bought a new and (could be considered naive) younger, female teacher such a gift in our workplace, then HR would be alerted. It pretty much busts Teachers' Standards:

"A teacher is expected to demonstrate consistently high standards of
personal and professional conduct."

So not only is he putting your marriage at risk, he's also compromising your family's livelihood. Even if nothing is going on, all she has to do is complain and, voila, there's an investigation / disciplinary.

Also, you work in the same place and that makes it extra crappy behaviour. Completely isolating for you because you can't talk to any of your colleagues. In this way, he's removing all your mechanisms of support, i.e. he's not supporting you and he's making sure it's difficult for you to get support from others. Really unpleasant. Especially as, in addition, he's effectively gaslighting you into thinking you're making a fuss about nothing.

Sounds as if he's quite a vain and insecure person. You've probably come to this conclusion yourself. If it was me, I'd tell him to pack his bags until he can get his head on. Marriage itself is a full-time job. He needs to either accept this or move on.

babyproblems · 25/10/2025 06:26

I was on his side mostly until the part about the ‘thinking of you messages’ and the gifts. GIFTS?!??! not ok. Those two things are way over the acceptable line. If an older man at work gave me a necklace with my name on I’d know what this meant.

DaxieTaxi · 25/10/2025 06:30

SpringSummerAutumn · 24/10/2025 14:17

For heaven's sake OP. She is a 24 year old woman. She isn't a " Girl". How patronising.
But yes unfortunately it sounds like an emotional affair.

I came here to say this.

So fed up with women being infantilised, at 24 she’s a grown woman not a girl.

And yes OP he’s having an affair, or is on the verge of one. Time to decide what you’re going to do. Remember you can’t control how others behave, you can only control what you do. Doing nothing is an option, it might just fizzle out, or you might prefer to tackle it head on with him. Whatever you decide, I am sending strength to help you deal with it. I’m so sorry you’re in such a horrible situation.

FairyTal1980 · 25/10/2025 06:40

In my DDs school so many teachers (8 in total) have had affairs with each other and it’s broken up marriages.

Babyenroute · 25/10/2025 06:51

Daughterofthesea · 24/10/2025 17:28

With kindness - you sound like quite hard work and are probably pushing him away with your obsessiveness and overbearingness.
Please stop saying ‘hubby’ too 😬 cringe

how is that ‘with kindness’? 🤨

UnintentionalArcher · 25/10/2025 06:52

Imbusytodaysorry · 24/10/2025 23:27

@Hubbyissue82 part that stands out for me is “he commented on her shape “so body “ why is he looking at her in this way .
I’d say it’s more than emotional and that’s why they need the time traveling in car together and also the “over time”
Ultimatum time and don’t let him gaslight you.

Agree - the fact he commented at all on her figure, even apparently in the negative (if I’ve correctly understood the OP, means it’s on his mind.

UnintentionalArcher · 25/10/2025 06:54

tellmesomethingtrue · 24/10/2025 23:59

I agree.

Totally agree re the jewellery

rainbowsinheaven · 25/10/2025 07:09

Some of these comments towards to you OP are awful. I would speak to your husband. Tell him you know about the necklace and tell him that it is inappropriate and you want it to stop. My bet is he gaslights you and says there is nothing wrong with being friends etc and the issue is you

ToastedAlmond · 25/10/2025 07:22

I imagined a doctor or a lawyer and his assistant.

I think he has a crush on her.

I would never discount any woman as not 'his type' because I don't think men genuinely have a type when there is an opportunity, it's their biology to be able to be sexually attracted to basically any woman if the other conditions are right e.g. time alone together in close proximity. I also think that some men make jokes about the other woman's appearance and proclaim she's sooo not his type when he actually fancies her. It's just an act to throw the wife off the scent.

Hanschristiananderson · 25/10/2025 07:23

No one has mentioned the nicknames here either. That is highly inappropriate too.

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