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Is this an emotional affair?

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Hubbyissue82 · 24/10/2025 13:49

Long post. Sorry.
Husband and I are around our 40s and have been married for nearly 10 years now. In the past 10 years we have bought our own home, filled it not just with love but with two children and a dog. Which is not to say it has been easy… It has not been, on my end at least, for about a year.
Let me allow you a bit more background: hubby and I share the same workplace, though we are employed there in different positions. I only see him around lunchtime, which we – usually – spend together. About a year ago, our workplace hired someone new. I will refer to her as Girl. Girl is twenty-four and works closely with husband. Exactly how would give too much away, but they often work as a team. Initially, husband didn't like the idea of Girl assisting him in his work, because 1) she is quite a bit younger than we are, which, in our experience, often leads to different attitudes and therefore disagreement, and 2) she is freshly graduated, and, as such, not a very experienced professional.
His opinion of Girl changed rather quickly. I found this positive, as the idea of Girl working alongside him had previously caused some stress. Husband informed me that Girl made a favourable first impression, both on the people he works with and on him. I myself have of course already met Girl. Girl is friendly, creative, gentle. Impassioned about the work she does. I understood immediately how come hubby and Girl got along swimmingly.
Since Girl has started her job at our workplace, I have noticed, a couple of changes have emerged in the relationship between hubby and me. The most evident of them all is that hubby spends a lot of time with Girl. He doesn't say it like this, of course. But I know he works overtime, sometimes multiple days in the week, on projects he undertakes with Girl to innovate. ‘Breathing new life into old ideas’. OK, honey. Then, there is our lunch breaks! We would enjoy these together, before. These moments I look forward to throughout the morning have had to make way more than once for “work stuff”. Code, of course, for “creative brainstorming” with Girl. He never mentions he is doing this work stuff with her; this is what alerted me in the first place. Why does he feel the need to leave out Girl when he tells me he can’t spend his lunch break with me?
I have asked him about this, by the way. I appreciate forthright communication and he has always done the same. His answer was pretty clear: he presumed I knew, since his job is basically a shared position, now, and presumed as well that I did not care. I told him that I don’t, but that I feel a bit strange about his total silence about Girl in this “work stuff”. We had a good, honest conversation about it, I thought, and so I thought that was the end of my paranoiac suspicions about him and Girl. Why was I worried, anyway? Hubby likes his women blonde and skinny. Girl is dark haired and somewhat on the chubby side. NOT his type. He has made (lighthearted) jokes about her figure. So, NO reason to fret. Right?
Some time on from this valuable conversation, Girl and hubby continue to be “work pals”. Since Girl lives closeby, on the mornings he is not the one to bring our kids to school, hubby picks her up in the early morning and they carpool to work together. This decision was not made by us both. One morning, hubby just told me he felt it would be a good thing to do. I asked “why?”. She can drive, after all, she has her own car. He said it just felt like a nice thing to do. OK, honey. So Girl and him do not just spend many lunchbreaks together, but they drive to work together, as well. Again I had a conversation with hubby about his relationship with Girl. I named it for what it was in my eyes, a relationship. I asked him if it didn’t feel strange, to somehow connect so well with a woman more than ten years his (our) junior. At this he seemed mildly ticked off. He expressed that he found it ‘difficult’ that I was suspicious of this work relationship, since he has not always been lucky to have pleasant co-workers; I said I was not suspicious, maybe a bit worried, since so much of his time and thoughts are shared with Girl. Eventually we agreed on a boundary, being that outside of school, he would limit his communication with Girl, as they were certainly crossing into close friendship territory as opposed to close colleague territory.
He agreed. Communication, however, has not ceased. It did for a little while, I think, but I am aware they speak on Facebook and message back and forth. Which in and of itself I find deeply appropriate for a late 30s father and a mid 20s single woman. So… I may or may not have snooped a week or two ago to see just what these messages contain. All in all the entire chat log was innocent. Back and forth about everything and nothing. Something in me, though, reads all of it as two people falling in love? I can’t quite put my finger on it. Mocking teasing, sending one another photo’s of “thing that reminded me of you today while I was shopping!”, juvenile memes I don’t understand but he seems to like. I also found out hubby has bought her a gift on occasion (one time, a set of books; another time, a necklace with the initial of her name). Why does he do this? Why doesn’t he tell me he does this?
Since this I have been living in this weird state of being torn between two roads. I do trust husband. He has never given me any reason to suspect him of infidelity. Out of everyone I know, hubby would be the last I would think is capable of lying, cheating, etc. And yet, on the other road there is the strange reality that we have grown a bit more distant. We are a good couple and good parents to our kids as we have been but I can’t say things haven’t cooled down in certain departments of our relationship. Barely any dates. Sex is… something that happens maybe once a month.
I hope this Bible I wrote paints a somewhat clear picture for you to be able to answer this post's title. Is hubby having an emotional affair? If this goes on, will he cheat? It's a tough spot to be in, I hope some other perspectives or perhaps even experiences from other women will help me recognize just what position I am in. Or, well, what to expect. Ask me any questions if you would like to know more. I am an open book and sort of desperate, I'll admit.
Thank you in advance!

OP posts:
Zanzara · 24/10/2025 18:29

Can we please stop derailing this thread because of some clumsy remarks by the OP ( who I'm guessing is maybe American? but whatever). This woman needs urgent help.

OP, I'm going to be frank here. I'm not going to say LTB or assume the very worst, but you definitely need to stop being all fluffy clouds and not saying boo to a goose and start taking this thing SERIOUSLY. A necklace, for goodness' sake! You sound like you're in the grunge stage of family life which can be hard, but you need to wise up, defend your marriage and get fierce.

If you won't do it for you, do it for your babies.

If it doesn't work then it doesn't work, but at least you'll know you tried.

Yes, he's enthralled by this young woman and all she represents (not family, routine and hard work), and he's had his head turned. Silly, stupid, horribly disloyal man.

Do some research on his phone etc, check out all the family finances so you know where you stand, and then confront him. Be strong and be angry. His behaviour is very disrespectful to you and the family you have built together.

The idea of getting the Head to have a word is not necessarily a bad thing, his behaviour is very unprofessional, but only you know the personalities involved.

Above all get your head out of the clouds and. fight for what you want. You're 40 - time to leave the fluffy nonsense behind you, get strong and grow up. He is not the boss of you.

Good luck, I wish you well. 💕

MrTiddlesTheCat · 24/10/2025 18:36

He's avoiding sex and intimacy because it would feel disloyal to her. It's textbook cheater behaviour.

MissDoubleU · 24/10/2025 18:37

MrTiddlesTheCat · 24/10/2025 18:36

He's avoiding sex and intimacy because it would feel disloyal to her. It's textbook cheater behaviour.

100%

supersop60 · 24/10/2025 18:43

Hibernatingtilspring · 24/10/2025 14:14

I think most of the the things mentioned on their own might not be evidence, but all of it put together, plus the gift giving, definitely is. Books (if tailored to her interests) and a necklace are very personal gifts.
I wonder if the reason he isn't acknowledging anything is wrong is simply because he is in denial, and wants to keep up the attention, and closeness, while convincing himself that he's just a Good Person and a Good Friend.

This resonates. My DP had an emotional affair - lots of little things, that on their own mean nothing. More time together, chatty emails, gifts, and above all, not mentioning things (ie lying). He couldn’t see anything wrong, and was enjoying being A Good, Helpful Friend, and enjoying the ego boost that a younger, attractive, grateful woman was giving him.
OP you need to stop this now, because it will become an affair if allowed to continue.
Im so sorry to be blunt.

Hubbyissue82 · 24/10/2025 18:56

I am logging off for a bit trying to process everything. I will try the looking through hubby's (oops, made ya cringe!) phone thing tonight and, hopefully, find more answers. May post tomorrow, but I do have a busy day planned, so I'll see if I can afford a quick moment in between to come online, somewhere.
Thank you everyone for the advice thus far. I am reading everything and taking it along to do whats right.

OP posts:
Hanschristiananderson · 24/10/2025 19:26

MrTiddlesTheCat · 24/10/2025 16:50

I agree with this. I think if he's reached the point of buying jewellery, then it's already physical.

I agree, sadly.

PumpkinMice · 24/10/2025 20:25

His “I thought you knew” defence after you found out he’d been having lunch with her was utter bullshit. He knew you didn’t know. He didn’t tell you because he was either fully aware you wouldn’t be happy and didn’t want to stop seeing her (prioritising his relationship with her over your happiness and the health of your marriage), or he didn’t tell you because he felt there was something to hide.

Travelling to and from work with her for no good reason, with his only justification being that it was a “nice thing to do”, was him deliberately seeking out a way to spend time alone with this young woman - knowing full well his relationship with her was damaging his relationship with you. He’s being incredibly brazen and making a bloody fool of himself in front of all your colleagues - who will have noticed.

I suspect he only agreed to stop communicating outside of work to get you off his back about her. If he had any intention of respecting those boundaries, or you, he wouldn’t have been secretly messaging her on social media. Having the freedom to deepen their connection was more important to him than the possibility of you being hurt by this, and he was willing to take the risk that you might find out. The secrecy, combined with them sharing that they’ve been thinking of each other when they’re apart, plus the nicknames and inside jokes are all textbook signs of an emotional affair.

You need to stop minimising the significance of him buying her a book and a necklace. Both are personal, thoughtful gifts designed to show her how much attention he’s paid to her, how well he knows her, and how much she matters to him. Of course he kept those gifts secret - he knew what he was doing, and that he was crossing a line. You’ve said you don’t think she’d go there, and I understand why you’d want to believe that…but the messages she sent thanking him suggest she was happy to receive them.

I’m so sorry OP, he’s being a monumental dick and you don’t deserve any of this. If it’s not progressed to something physical, would this be straight to divorce for you, or would you want to get tough with him and try to salvage your marriage? Would your decision change if you found evidence it was a physical affair?

You might not be able to confirm whether this has already turned into a physical affair or not, but his intentions are very clear: regardless of whether she’d go there, if he had the opportunity, he would. Do you think you’ll ever be able to trust him again?

BBKP · 24/10/2025 20:28

When was the last time he bought you jewellery? I would say this is a pretty intimate gift, you don’t just go around by anyone jewellery…

reversingdumptruckwithnotyreson · 24/10/2025 21:18

Additionally, I’d put them both on blast. Forcing people to be transparent and face up to what they’re doing bring it to the cold light of day and that’s when you know if it’s just a ridiculous crush (that for whatever reason she’s entertaining) or if there’s something there (in which case I’m heartbroken for you but it’s always better to know so you can move on).

GreenCandleWax · 24/10/2025 21:27

Zanzara · 24/10/2025 18:29

Can we please stop derailing this thread because of some clumsy remarks by the OP ( who I'm guessing is maybe American? but whatever). This woman needs urgent help.

OP, I'm going to be frank here. I'm not going to say LTB or assume the very worst, but you definitely need to stop being all fluffy clouds and not saying boo to a goose and start taking this thing SERIOUSLY. A necklace, for goodness' sake! You sound like you're in the grunge stage of family life which can be hard, but you need to wise up, defend your marriage and get fierce.

If you won't do it for you, do it for your babies.

If it doesn't work then it doesn't work, but at least you'll know you tried.

Yes, he's enthralled by this young woman and all she represents (not family, routine and hard work), and he's had his head turned. Silly, stupid, horribly disloyal man.

Do some research on his phone etc, check out all the family finances so you know where you stand, and then confront him. Be strong and be angry. His behaviour is very disrespectful to you and the family you have built together.

The idea of getting the Head to have a word is not necessarily a bad thing, his behaviour is very unprofessional, but only you know the personalities involved.

Above all get your head out of the clouds and. fight for what you want. You're 40 - time to leave the fluffy nonsense behind you, get strong and grow up. He is not the boss of you.

Good luck, I wish you well. 💕

This is exactly what you need to hear OP. You are being far too passive, and you need to DO something!

Imbrocator · 24/10/2025 21:38

It’s definitely overstepping if he’s buying her gifts. I’d second what other posters have said about the necklace, and when I read your original post to my partner he agreed.

Both of us were on the fence up until that point, but as a woman I would be unnerved if a work friend bought me jewellery, and my partner’s perspective as a man was that he would consider the jewellery too personal. It’s something your husband has picked out with her initials that she’s going to wear around her neck and remember him when she does. What does she say if a colleague comments and asks her where she got it? Very uncomfortable, and regardless of intent other people are likely to make similar assumptions.

Possibly it’s just harmless but it does seem quite inappropriate as a gift for a work colleague even if he weren’t married.

ainsleysanob · 24/10/2025 21:52

NestaArcheron · 24/10/2025 17:05

The way you speak about her is actually vile - you assumed she was inexperienced due to her being younger than you, refer to her as “girl”, even though she is your equal as a colleague - and then go as far as to say she isn’t his type because she’s dark haired and chubby whereas you’re blonde and skinny - so how could he like her?! Your husband has feelings for this woman. That is not her fault. Direct your anger toward your husband, rather than the young woman whom you’ve had it in for since the second she started at your workplace.

No, what’s vile is an ‘equal colleague’ and ‘young woman’ who thinks it’s appropriate to accept gifts, spend time with and constantly message another woman’s husband. She’a not thinking about her ‘equal colleague’ is she when she’s trying her best to fuck her husband. She is to blame. Not as much as him. But she is.

CoachNot · 24/10/2025 22:08

Yes emotional affair.
Behaviour is really inappropriate.
Have a frank discussion

176509user · 24/10/2025 22:26

The gift buying is the issue, plus wanting to spend time with her ( lift to work).

Go with your gut.

Hopefully you’ll get some answers soon.

Itworkedout · 24/10/2025 22:37

I was in your situation. I gave him an ultimatum as I didn’t need to be married to him and I told him as much. Gave him the shock of his life. I don’t believe sadly it was just emotional. We split up the trust had gone. You need to consider you op. And what you expect, if he can’t take your wishes into account he isn’t committed to you,

176509user · 24/10/2025 22:52

Itworkedout · 24/10/2025 22:37

I was in your situation. I gave him an ultimatum as I didn’t need to be married to him and I told him as much. Gave him the shock of his life. I don’t believe sadly it was just emotional. We split up the trust had gone. You need to consider you op. And what you expect, if he can’t take your wishes into account he isn’t committed to you,

Agree with this. Because ultimately you don’t need proof of anything really.

Whats more important is how he is making you feel and the trust is being eroded by his behaviour.

Ionlymakejokestodistractmyself · 24/10/2025 23:06

It's hard to believe he is doing this right under your nose OP.

The gifts are insane. That's either a full blown affair or the intention of one right there.

The amount of emotional energy he is giving her vs giving you is very wrong. Yes it's an emotional affair.

Poorabbeywalsh2 · 24/10/2025 23:09

I'm sorry OP. He is yet another foolish, weak man fallen for 'youth'. I think it's important for you to never ever blame yourself. You have done nothing wrong. With respect to you, he's just a weak, pathetic, embarrassing person. He's disrespecting you and, yes trust your gut, put your foot down and tell him to stop being an idiot. Imagine if the shoe was on the other foot. Put that to him and see what he'd have to say. I'm sorry, hope he sees sense, leaves the school and values his family over a youngster.

DarkYearForMySoul · 24/10/2025 23:11

Hubbyissue82 · 24/10/2025 15:12

Does anyone think it would be justified looking through his phone? Or is that inexcusable, no matter what?

I never understand why so many on MN are so vehemently against having full access to each other’s phones in a non-abusive marriage. If you are ashamed of something you’re doing, and need to keep it secret, then you probably should’nt be doing it and your life partner has a reason to know.

So yes, snoop.

I’m with others, the necklace tipped it for me. That’s a personal gift with meaning. I’d also choose a trusted colleague to confide in as this has potential workplace implications and resolutions. If the girl is as naive as you suspect she may not realise her job could possibly be more at risk than your DHs and role separation might help both you and her.

Imbusytodaysorry · 24/10/2025 23:27

@Hubbyissue82 part that stands out for me is “he commented on her shape “so body “ why is he looking at her in this way .
I’d say it’s more than emotional and that’s why they need the time traveling in car together and also the “over time”
Ultimatum time and don’t let him gaslight you.

CagneyNYPD1 · 24/10/2025 23:58

A few thoughts spring to mind @Hubbyissue82 - is she an ECT and is he her mentor/ head of department or similar? I really hope the answer is no because if he is in any way her superior, he could be heading for deep trouble.

It sounds like he is doing the classic “grass is greener” thing. Flattered by a bit of attention from a vibrant, 24 year old. The fool.

Edited to add: If they are heading towards an affair, he’s the home wrecker, not her.

tellmesomethingtrue · 24/10/2025 23:59

outerspacepotato · 24/10/2025 14:22

Your husband is in constant communication with her, giving her lifts she doesn't need, and is giving her personal gifts of jewelry. He spends less time with you to spend more with her and he's hiding that. What you said about their communication you saw, the thing I saw that reminded me of you, that's romantic.

I think this is more than an EA and quickly heading to a physical affair if it isn't already. Men don't buy jewelry, much less personalized, for women they aren't sexually interested in. He's crossing lines from friendship to romantic in communication, hiding how much time he spends with her, driving her to work, and buying her jewelry along with other gifts. This is what a man does for a gf, not a coworker.

I agree.

Gabitule · 25/10/2025 00:04

Hubbyissue82 · 24/10/2025 15:26

Why do so many see the necklace as particularly jarring? I was not too bothered by that... for me it was the "this reminds me of you" and "thought you would like this Thing I saw today" which strikea me as... romantic? Puppy love, even? I feel nauseous thinking of it

Agreed, when I read that I thought this was the main sign that he was emotionally/ hormonally involved. But the necklace is also a red flag, every man-friend who gave me small presents such as jewellery wanted more than friendship.

Unfortunately, even if he hasn’t yet had an affair, you know that he would probably do it if she invited it. It’s all very sad

Thewookiemustgo · 25/10/2025 00:09

OP I have read your thread and my impression is that your husband has an inappropriately close relationship with a younger woman.
The time spent with her, not you, is increasing. Your joint lunchtimes have been eradicated, your sex life has dwindled to once a month, he’s now giving her a lift to work and vice-versa, they share in jokes and juvenile memes and indulge in a frequent social media message exchange. To top it all, when he’s out things remind him of her so he buys her personal gifts , he’s bought her personalised jewellery, he’s using work as the excuse for increasing intimacy with this woman and decreasing intimacy with you.
When do you get personalised thought-out gifts? Lunchtimes? Time together? Messages when you are apart?
Read this list and think hard about it. You are asking your question here but all of the above answers it.
This has gone far too far, your husband is enjoying the ego boost of a younger woman’s interest in him and is ring-fencing it and excluding you for his own selfish gratification.
It’s more than high time he put you first. His time and energy is going completely in the wrong direction.

Milosc · 25/10/2025 00:42

OP, my DH and I are teachers. We worked at same school and taught the same grade and subject. We didn't need to spend that much together working on things for our job. We literally had the same job and didn't need to collaborate that much. His excuses are absurd.

We had a colleague who was always messaging my DH and stopping by his room. She always tried to get him to help her and work on lessons. Difference is he shut it down and didn't buy her gifts or fawn all over her. He was professional and that was it. Your husband is not and that is alarming. He is mooning over her and that I find utterly distasteful. He just wants extra alone time with her and is gaslighting you. He is emotionally invested. Joking about her figure is also a huge red flag.

I know of 4 affairs going on currently at my school not to mention the numerous others over the years. You already know this is inappropriate and so does he by the way he dismissed you. I wouldn't be surprised if your students were already talking as they aren't oblivious. I also do not think she is naive at all as she is not so young to not know better. I knew better at that age not to fuck around with someone's husband under their nose. And your DH is showing what a weak fool he really is. You can have boundaries and tell him to shut it down or you will.

When was the last time he bought you a personal gift like a necklace with your initial and a heartfelt message? Worries about you getting to work? Spent his extra free time with you? He hasn't and that answers your question. Yes, it's an EA and it is ultimatum time for you. He can pick but he can't have both. Don't let him make you doubt yourself and become a shell of you. Affairs destroy people. If he is willing to continue this he isn't worth it. You are worth more than what he is giving you.

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