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Is this an emotional affair?

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Hubbyissue82 · 24/10/2025 13:49

Long post. Sorry.
Husband and I are around our 40s and have been married for nearly 10 years now. In the past 10 years we have bought our own home, filled it not just with love but with two children and a dog. Which is not to say it has been easy… It has not been, on my end at least, for about a year.
Let me allow you a bit more background: hubby and I share the same workplace, though we are employed there in different positions. I only see him around lunchtime, which we – usually – spend together. About a year ago, our workplace hired someone new. I will refer to her as Girl. Girl is twenty-four and works closely with husband. Exactly how would give too much away, but they often work as a team. Initially, husband didn't like the idea of Girl assisting him in his work, because 1) she is quite a bit younger than we are, which, in our experience, often leads to different attitudes and therefore disagreement, and 2) she is freshly graduated, and, as such, not a very experienced professional.
His opinion of Girl changed rather quickly. I found this positive, as the idea of Girl working alongside him had previously caused some stress. Husband informed me that Girl made a favourable first impression, both on the people he works with and on him. I myself have of course already met Girl. Girl is friendly, creative, gentle. Impassioned about the work she does. I understood immediately how come hubby and Girl got along swimmingly.
Since Girl has started her job at our workplace, I have noticed, a couple of changes have emerged in the relationship between hubby and me. The most evident of them all is that hubby spends a lot of time with Girl. He doesn't say it like this, of course. But I know he works overtime, sometimes multiple days in the week, on projects he undertakes with Girl to innovate. ‘Breathing new life into old ideas’. OK, honey. Then, there is our lunch breaks! We would enjoy these together, before. These moments I look forward to throughout the morning have had to make way more than once for “work stuff”. Code, of course, for “creative brainstorming” with Girl. He never mentions he is doing this work stuff with her; this is what alerted me in the first place. Why does he feel the need to leave out Girl when he tells me he can’t spend his lunch break with me?
I have asked him about this, by the way. I appreciate forthright communication and he has always done the same. His answer was pretty clear: he presumed I knew, since his job is basically a shared position, now, and presumed as well that I did not care. I told him that I don’t, but that I feel a bit strange about his total silence about Girl in this “work stuff”. We had a good, honest conversation about it, I thought, and so I thought that was the end of my paranoiac suspicions about him and Girl. Why was I worried, anyway? Hubby likes his women blonde and skinny. Girl is dark haired and somewhat on the chubby side. NOT his type. He has made (lighthearted) jokes about her figure. So, NO reason to fret. Right?
Some time on from this valuable conversation, Girl and hubby continue to be “work pals”. Since Girl lives closeby, on the mornings he is not the one to bring our kids to school, hubby picks her up in the early morning and they carpool to work together. This decision was not made by us both. One morning, hubby just told me he felt it would be a good thing to do. I asked “why?”. She can drive, after all, she has her own car. He said it just felt like a nice thing to do. OK, honey. So Girl and him do not just spend many lunchbreaks together, but they drive to work together, as well. Again I had a conversation with hubby about his relationship with Girl. I named it for what it was in my eyes, a relationship. I asked him if it didn’t feel strange, to somehow connect so well with a woman more than ten years his (our) junior. At this he seemed mildly ticked off. He expressed that he found it ‘difficult’ that I was suspicious of this work relationship, since he has not always been lucky to have pleasant co-workers; I said I was not suspicious, maybe a bit worried, since so much of his time and thoughts are shared with Girl. Eventually we agreed on a boundary, being that outside of school, he would limit his communication with Girl, as they were certainly crossing into close friendship territory as opposed to close colleague territory.
He agreed. Communication, however, has not ceased. It did for a little while, I think, but I am aware they speak on Facebook and message back and forth. Which in and of itself I find deeply appropriate for a late 30s father and a mid 20s single woman. So… I may or may not have snooped a week or two ago to see just what these messages contain. All in all the entire chat log was innocent. Back and forth about everything and nothing. Something in me, though, reads all of it as two people falling in love? I can’t quite put my finger on it. Mocking teasing, sending one another photo’s of “thing that reminded me of you today while I was shopping!”, juvenile memes I don’t understand but he seems to like. I also found out hubby has bought her a gift on occasion (one time, a set of books; another time, a necklace with the initial of her name). Why does he do this? Why doesn’t he tell me he does this?
Since this I have been living in this weird state of being torn between two roads. I do trust husband. He has never given me any reason to suspect him of infidelity. Out of everyone I know, hubby would be the last I would think is capable of lying, cheating, etc. And yet, on the other road there is the strange reality that we have grown a bit more distant. We are a good couple and good parents to our kids as we have been but I can’t say things haven’t cooled down in certain departments of our relationship. Barely any dates. Sex is… something that happens maybe once a month.
I hope this Bible I wrote paints a somewhat clear picture for you to be able to answer this post's title. Is hubby having an emotional affair? If this goes on, will he cheat? It's a tough spot to be in, I hope some other perspectives or perhaps even experiences from other women will help me recognize just what position I am in. Or, well, what to expect. Ask me any questions if you would like to know more. I am an open book and sort of desperate, I'll admit.
Thank you in advance!

OP posts:
cooldarkroom · 28/10/2025 08:17

She was loving the attention.
She could have refused the lifts to work, “Cant do that, I have to go to my Mums/Gym/I like to be free to do what I like after work”

Lunch time, “Going to chat with XYZ,
(same age people), see you at X class”

She willingly participated. The saddest thing for you is that all the other teachers & students already knew,
The only one who didn't, was you.
I hope they both get sacked, (unlikely but you can always dream)

UpMyself · 28/10/2025 08:31

@BauhausOfEliott , you posted this about 345 replies into the thread. In what way do you think it helps the OP? Why be so mean to someone going through a difficult time? You could have at least read the OP's updates, all 21 of them, and she's now using a different username so there are more.

Glindaa · 28/10/2025 08:47

SomewhatAnnoyed · 28/10/2025 07:26

Sounds like the girl didn’t reciprocate, but she has continued the dialogue …

I obv have no idea of what she is thinking, but she may have told him what she told him about ‘deep down’ returning his feelings etc bc she is still reliant on him for professional advice, support, assessments possibly, not to mention free lifts to and from work!

I don’t want to turn her into THE victim in all this, but she may be out of her depth and going along with these lunches and sickening tacky gifts bc she’s inexperienced or not confident with this kind of dynamic or is scared of offending her mentor and how this could negatively affect her job. She obviously hasn’t thought how this all coming out could be even worse for her but there you go.

Agreed this is very possible. OP may be able to tell from the tone of her msgs … but either way, she’s 24, barely an adult, perhaps doesn’t deserve to lose her job - but perhaps she should be asked to look for a transfer to another school next year so OP doesn’t have the reminder…

Hanschristiananderson · 28/10/2025 09:52

Glindaa · 28/10/2025 08:47

Agreed this is very possible. OP may be able to tell from the tone of her msgs … but either way, she’s 24, barely an adult, perhaps doesn’t deserve to lose her job - but perhaps she should be asked to look for a transfer to another school next year so OP doesn’t have the reminder…

I just don't think there is the remotest possibility she will lose her job. According to her there has been no affair, and having an affair with a colleague isn't a sackable offence.

Thewookiemustgo · 28/10/2025 10:05

I was 23 when I started work, and the man responsible for assessing my probationary period hit on me constantly.
I didn’t feel I could report him, however I did know how to refuse a lift, brush off/ ignore inappropriate comments and use the words “That’s very kind, but no, thank you.”
Unless the young woman in question works in an isolated office with him, she will be surrounded by colleagues and potential witnesses.
Not everyone has the confidence to do this, granted, and the older married man is at fault for the pursuit. Within the workplace it can be difficult to get away from men like this. However I find it hard to believe, that if you felt someone was being inappropriate or predatory, that you would think that getting into a car with them outside work, when there is absolutely no need to, would be something you’d never even consider and very easy to get out of. He can hardly complain about her refusing a lift to his colleagues. You also have a choice about replying to text messages and how you reply to them. She didn’t give one-word answers or not reply to him. She wasn’t groomed, it was a two way street.
Now that reality has shine a torch into their grimy secret, they are both all about damage limitation to their own reputation and ego, not how their behaviour has affected OP. The reply reads like something designed to be read by HR, not OP.
This wasn’t a “thank God my awful experience with your vile husband is over!” response. It was damage limitation and not terribly credible damage limitation, given the content of her messages to OP’s husband. Her ego sent her morality and professionalism on a little holiday, unfortunately and now it’s time to face the consequences of that for both of them. She’s been very foolish and he should most certainly have known better.
They both knew exactly what they were doing, even if the motives weren’t the same. Most people of all ages are susceptible to flattery from people whose attractiveness and status make us feel like we’ve been noticed and give us an ego boost to think we’ve managed to attract a person like them. And most people know what is and isn’t professional and morally upright behaviour.

Diarygirlqueen · 28/10/2025 10:23

@Thewookiemustgo excellent post.
The woman is not an innocent 18 year old, she has accepted lifts, gifts, inappropriate texting and spends her lunches with him. This does not sound like a woman who is afraid she is going to get into trouble if she doesn't go along with it.
She has basically admitted to the OP, there is feelings attached to each other and while not crossing physical lines, emotional lines were crossed.
She is not innocent, knew he was married. I would tell the school and let them both deal with their actions.

AquaLeja · 28/10/2025 13:19

The feeling was never as electric as he'd hoped.

And how much effort did he put in? (Rhetorical question, OP. He sounds a passive, lazy wanker.)

Well, Mr. Slimmer With New Clothes is going to feel quite a lot of electricity now his employment is threatened, he’s upset and confused his children, his wife no longer trusts or wants him, his colleagues are gossiping about him and the object of his affection tells him he’s too old for her and has hung him out to dry.

What a complete fool he is. How to throw a life away in one easy move.

UpMyself · 28/10/2025 13:26

Not only that but the students will think he's a joke.
He'll need a new job, I should think.

Mrspatmoresapprentice · 28/10/2025 13:36

Op was roundly criticised for “infantilising” this girl, yet many other posters are doing the same?
“24 is barely an adult”? According to whom? I knew at 18 that a pointed “and how is your wife?” would repel married men and I used it, frequently and effectively. I then taught my DD to do the same. Married men who promise you the moon on a bloody stick should be avoided at all costs. It’s not difficult really is it?

GreenCandleWax · 28/10/2025 14:53

Hanschristiananderson · 27/10/2025 20:03

Absolutely this.

For some reason i keep thinking of the Dolly Parton character in the "Nine-to-Five" film. Everyone assumed she was having a consensual fling with the boss but in fact she was being pressured by him and wanted nothing to do with him. This 24 year old may well be young and naive, and possibly dd not know how to prevent the line-crossing she mentioned at the time, with a predatory senior colleague. Just a poosibility. Whether its true or not, the focus has to be on this awful man, not her.

However the things he said about OP and his marriage - absolutely appalling and imo there is no way back past that. A complete betrayal whether or not they got physical.

worriedmum1982 · 28/10/2025 15:10

I am off work for a couple of days as my doctor has written me a note for a week. I intend on going back asap but need some time to figure out how I'll go on, as well as handle the whole working together thing. I am in contact with a lawyer re: divorce and the financial side of things, who told me it's unlikely either will lose their jobs as there is no evidence of inappropriate behavior. Which I think is BS. I will be talking to my employer and letting them know but said lawyer will be aiding me in getting this across to them effectively and professionally.
As for cheatinghubby, we were on call today and I guess part of me hoped he would grovel and beg to come back, which he hasn't done. Is it foolish to have wanted that? Or expected that? I told him I had messaged his would be mistress and he answered pretty plainly that "his feelings for her are still the same and I don't need to be getting in between that". I had to turn off the phone or I would have said some pretty damn incriminating stuff, I think.

UpMyself · 28/10/2025 15:18

So sorry you had to go through all that @worriedmum1982 . [HUG]
Stay strong.You are amazing, brave and sensible. You'll get through this.

SugarPlumpFairyCakes · 28/10/2025 16:01

worriedmum1982 · 28/10/2025 15:10

I am off work for a couple of days as my doctor has written me a note for a week. I intend on going back asap but need some time to figure out how I'll go on, as well as handle the whole working together thing. I am in contact with a lawyer re: divorce and the financial side of things, who told me it's unlikely either will lose their jobs as there is no evidence of inappropriate behavior. Which I think is BS. I will be talking to my employer and letting them know but said lawyer will be aiding me in getting this across to them effectively and professionally.
As for cheatinghubby, we were on call today and I guess part of me hoped he would grovel and beg to come back, which he hasn't done. Is it foolish to have wanted that? Or expected that? I told him I had messaged his would be mistress and he answered pretty plainly that "his feelings for her are still the same and I don't need to be getting in between that". I had to turn off the phone or I would have said some pretty damn incriminating stuff, I think.

Oh he will want to come back. Just right now he is still in delusion land.

When the cold hard reality bites and he realises how he looks like the total and utter fool he is, you can bet he will want to come back.

Having said that, I think the ow has promised or said things to him to make him think their relationship is a goer. I simply would not believe a word she says either. They are both liars.

You just need to look out for yourself entirely now. That’s it. Protect yourself. Don’t believe a word they say.

outerspacepotato · 28/10/2025 16:29

his feelings for her are still the same and I don't need to be getting in between that

Right now, he thinks he's got an opening to have a full on relationship with her. Wait until he finds out his would be affair partner not only threw him under the bus, but backed it up over him to cover her ass, painting him as the predator and poor little her was stuck working with him and riding in his car and having lunches and constantly texting and having gifts forced on her. 🙄

I think she knows exactly what she's been doing.

Their work reps will be trashed. They'll get the little digs, the side eyes, the distancing...

cooldarkroom · 28/10/2025 19:02

You can prove he/they were 95% having an emotional affair, at the very least.

Did you screen save any of those messages on his phone?
if you do, you don't have to show them, but you can say you have them...
If you don't, there's nothing like bluffing !

SomewhatAnnoyed · 28/10/2025 20:46

WearyCat · 28/10/2025 08:04

It can be very difficult for young women to challenge older and more senior men. I can remember having such low self esteem that I almost needed the 10-years-older bloke to grope me in the store cupboard, even though he repelled and frightened me at the same time. I never made him stop and I could have.

I imagine most of us are aware of how vindictive men can be if you turn them down for a drink in a bar (anyone else used to pretend their BFF was a lesbian partner?) and of course husbands if they decide they want the marriage to end. If this is an NQT or a trainee, and he is her mentor or head of department, there’s a power imbalance in his favour and all that that implies- which is why such relationships are out of professional bounds. She may have been flattered, and may genuinely like him as a colleague, but still been unsure of how, or unable, to put down boundaries that he would respect, so now she is clinging to those that she did lay down.

All that to say that her responsibility in this matter is tiny compared to his. He is the married one, he is the one making all the running here, and he is the one abusing his power and position at work and his wife and children at home. She is almost irrelevant, because there shouldn’t have been anyone in her position in the first place.

@Hubbyissue82 how are you doing today? Are you at work this week?

I never made him stop and I could have.

Please please never blame yourself for something awful like this. I’m so sorry it happened to you x

AquaLeja · 28/10/2025 21:06

his feelings for her are still the same and I don't need to be getting in between that.

Significantly not our feelings for each other are still the same.

sharkstale · 28/10/2025 21:54

his feelings are still the same and I don't need to be getting in between that

agree with pp's, her message to you was bullshit, just covering her own arse, and they're still in contact. Why would he say that otherwise? If her message is to be believed, there's nothing for you to get 'in between'. It's been a number of days now since you've confronted him and he still seems to believe he has a shot at something with her.

Milosc · 28/10/2025 22:21

I cannot believe she hasn't promised him something or they have a relationship that is already physical that is going on still. How do you really know where he is staying? Have you spoken to his parents? He has a lot of free time to drive anywhere he wants. He already drives her to work. How convenient that is, isn't it?

She would have at this point told him you messaged her and she has seen him at work. They have had time to try to cover their tracks and rewrite the narrative. I think they are both playing you OP to make you look like the crazy one. Please tell his family and your friends. You need to get ahead of this. I have seen it go to hell because the affair partners are prepared and are ready. The victim is so hurt they don't get ahead of things because they are so hurt.

They are counting on your hurt stunning you to give them time to tell everyone their tale....the angry wife jealous he has an attractive young co-teacher. The wife's jealousy is so bad she is imagining things and accusing them of everything just because they work together. How awful she is to not understand they have to spend time together because of work. It is innocent yet she is soooooo jealous she has made them the victims in this sad tale of the misguided wife and the poor falsely accused husband and innocent young teacher. 🤮 I have seen this happen in one of my old schools. It was ugly and a huge mess. It was only stopped and the truth came out because my friend had told everyone first.

As for the jobs, I can bet the students have seen inappropriate things. There is no way they haven't noticed them being together all the time. Other teachers are surely aware as well. Teachers are upheld to a higher standard of conduct. They can get fired for social media posts. I think this would clearly fall in line of similar inappropriate conduct. They are making the school look bad with their ridiculous behavior.

You OP are a rockstar and don't need him or anyone else. Your DC have a great mum and their father is just another sad and pathetic little man chasing his lost youth. I will guess when it does blow up he will claim some mental health crisis and try to make amends with you. Remember who he is. Reread this thread and remember all his lies, gaslighting and deception. He is an unsafe person to you now. Be wary and keep your cards close. He is not your friend.

Mrspatmoresapprentice · 28/10/2025 22:24

His feelings for her are still the same? Oh please, cry me a river knobrot! He’s been caught, he knows he’s massively fucked up, so he’s doubling down. He cannot admit he’s behaved so utterly reprehensibly for the sake of a shiny new shag piece, so he tells himself (and you op!) “ it’s true luuuurrrveeee…..”🤮 No pal, it really isn’t. He’s become the saddo that everyone laughs at for a silly girl who wouldn’t take him on if he was bloody gift wrapped. This is going to end very badly, for him.
I would bet my sizeable mortgage that this is going to all blow up in his face, then he’ll try to come slithering back. Act accordingly op. He’s a tool.

Kidsgotothatschool · 29/10/2025 06:34

‘As for cheatinghubby, we were on call today and I guess part of me hoped he would grovel and beg to come back, which he hasn't done. Is it foolish to have wanted that? Or expected that? I told him I had messaged his would be mistress and he answered pretty plainly that "his feelings for her are still the same and I don't need to be getting in between that"’

No it’s not foolish that you hoped this break would give him the shock he needed. It’s painful when they come back with the ridiculous teenage infatuation comments. It smacks of limerance and affair highs.

I have a book suggestion for you ‘leave a cheat, gain a life’, this book really nails affairs and the stupidity of those involved. I really think it’d help you make sense of it all. It’s a quick easy read but I found it invaluable.

It’s very hard to say what will or won’t happen now. Affairs are boringly predictable and follow patterns but what happens now depends on so much so I won’t start predicting what he or she will do next. What you can do is focus on yourself and the children, the financials and discussing with your head how you can feel emotionally/mentally safe at work. They have a duty of care to you and need to be navigating this carefully.

Blodyneighbour · 29/10/2025 07:21

This isn't just emotional. It's physical too. . Sorry OP but your man is cheating on you

supersop60 · 29/10/2025 12:51

Blodyneighbour · 29/10/2025 07:21

This isn't just emotional. It's physical too. . Sorry OP but your man is cheating on you

Emotional cheating is cheating too. Have you RTWT?

worriedmum1982 · 29/10/2025 14:16

AquaLeja · 28/10/2025 21:06

his feelings for her are still the same and I don't need to be getting in between that.

Significantly not our feelings for each other are still the same.

Funny you say that, since miss Mistress has set her relationship status to 'It's Complicated' all of a sudden.
I feel like I'm losing my mind, really. I shouldn't care.

AquaLeja · 29/10/2025 14:22

Acknowledgement but not acceptance or declaration would you say?