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Is this an emotional affair?

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Hubbyissue82 · 24/10/2025 13:49

Long post. Sorry.
Husband and I are around our 40s and have been married for nearly 10 years now. In the past 10 years we have bought our own home, filled it not just with love but with two children and a dog. Which is not to say it has been easy… It has not been, on my end at least, for about a year.
Let me allow you a bit more background: hubby and I share the same workplace, though we are employed there in different positions. I only see him around lunchtime, which we – usually – spend together. About a year ago, our workplace hired someone new. I will refer to her as Girl. Girl is twenty-four and works closely with husband. Exactly how would give too much away, but they often work as a team. Initially, husband didn't like the idea of Girl assisting him in his work, because 1) she is quite a bit younger than we are, which, in our experience, often leads to different attitudes and therefore disagreement, and 2) she is freshly graduated, and, as such, not a very experienced professional.
His opinion of Girl changed rather quickly. I found this positive, as the idea of Girl working alongside him had previously caused some stress. Husband informed me that Girl made a favourable first impression, both on the people he works with and on him. I myself have of course already met Girl. Girl is friendly, creative, gentle. Impassioned about the work she does. I understood immediately how come hubby and Girl got along swimmingly.
Since Girl has started her job at our workplace, I have noticed, a couple of changes have emerged in the relationship between hubby and me. The most evident of them all is that hubby spends a lot of time with Girl. He doesn't say it like this, of course. But I know he works overtime, sometimes multiple days in the week, on projects he undertakes with Girl to innovate. ‘Breathing new life into old ideas’. OK, honey. Then, there is our lunch breaks! We would enjoy these together, before. These moments I look forward to throughout the morning have had to make way more than once for “work stuff”. Code, of course, for “creative brainstorming” with Girl. He never mentions he is doing this work stuff with her; this is what alerted me in the first place. Why does he feel the need to leave out Girl when he tells me he can’t spend his lunch break with me?
I have asked him about this, by the way. I appreciate forthright communication and he has always done the same. His answer was pretty clear: he presumed I knew, since his job is basically a shared position, now, and presumed as well that I did not care. I told him that I don’t, but that I feel a bit strange about his total silence about Girl in this “work stuff”. We had a good, honest conversation about it, I thought, and so I thought that was the end of my paranoiac suspicions about him and Girl. Why was I worried, anyway? Hubby likes his women blonde and skinny. Girl is dark haired and somewhat on the chubby side. NOT his type. He has made (lighthearted) jokes about her figure. So, NO reason to fret. Right?
Some time on from this valuable conversation, Girl and hubby continue to be “work pals”. Since Girl lives closeby, on the mornings he is not the one to bring our kids to school, hubby picks her up in the early morning and they carpool to work together. This decision was not made by us both. One morning, hubby just told me he felt it would be a good thing to do. I asked “why?”. She can drive, after all, she has her own car. He said it just felt like a nice thing to do. OK, honey. So Girl and him do not just spend many lunchbreaks together, but they drive to work together, as well. Again I had a conversation with hubby about his relationship with Girl. I named it for what it was in my eyes, a relationship. I asked him if it didn’t feel strange, to somehow connect so well with a woman more than ten years his (our) junior. At this he seemed mildly ticked off. He expressed that he found it ‘difficult’ that I was suspicious of this work relationship, since he has not always been lucky to have pleasant co-workers; I said I was not suspicious, maybe a bit worried, since so much of his time and thoughts are shared with Girl. Eventually we agreed on a boundary, being that outside of school, he would limit his communication with Girl, as they were certainly crossing into close friendship territory as opposed to close colleague territory.
He agreed. Communication, however, has not ceased. It did for a little while, I think, but I am aware they speak on Facebook and message back and forth. Which in and of itself I find deeply appropriate for a late 30s father and a mid 20s single woman. So… I may or may not have snooped a week or two ago to see just what these messages contain. All in all the entire chat log was innocent. Back and forth about everything and nothing. Something in me, though, reads all of it as two people falling in love? I can’t quite put my finger on it. Mocking teasing, sending one another photo’s of “thing that reminded me of you today while I was shopping!”, juvenile memes I don’t understand but he seems to like. I also found out hubby has bought her a gift on occasion (one time, a set of books; another time, a necklace with the initial of her name). Why does he do this? Why doesn’t he tell me he does this?
Since this I have been living in this weird state of being torn between two roads. I do trust husband. He has never given me any reason to suspect him of infidelity. Out of everyone I know, hubby would be the last I would think is capable of lying, cheating, etc. And yet, on the other road there is the strange reality that we have grown a bit more distant. We are a good couple and good parents to our kids as we have been but I can’t say things haven’t cooled down in certain departments of our relationship. Barely any dates. Sex is… something that happens maybe once a month.
I hope this Bible I wrote paints a somewhat clear picture for you to be able to answer this post's title. Is hubby having an emotional affair? If this goes on, will he cheat? It's a tough spot to be in, I hope some other perspectives or perhaps even experiences from other women will help me recognize just what position I am in. Or, well, what to expect. Ask me any questions if you would like to know more. I am an open book and sort of desperate, I'll admit.
Thank you in advance!

OP posts:
worriedmum1982 · 26/10/2025 14:33

outerspacepotato · 26/10/2025 14:25

I'm sorry you've found your husband isn't who you thought he was.

He's her superior at work, her sort of mentor and he's trying to pressure her into turning an EA into a sexual affair by lies. I think the school needs to know he's the kind of employee that pressures much younger women for sex. Someone who would do that shouldn't be in his position.

You've acted decisively, well done. Now it's time to lawyer up.

I intend on it.
I also intend on either sharing what's happened with the school or, at the very least, confronting his would be mistress.

GarlicHound · 26/10/2025 14:40

He has been actively pursuing her and trying to persuade her into starting a romantic, and sexual, I suppose, relationship by feeding her lies about me and our relationship ...

Even though in earlier messages, she reciprocated his disgusting, flirtatious manner of speaking, she responded that she returned his feelings deep down but would never do anything because he is married ... she would also "feel bad for causing the same to innocent kids".

I'm sorry this is happening, @worriedmum1982, and wanted to send you a useless internet shoulder-squeeze. You honestly sound like an amazing woman and, should there be any doubt, you're doing everything right Flowers

Assuming the prat continued pursuing his junior after the above 'no thank you' message, I think it's appropriate to report him for sexual harassment. You're going to have to tell work anyway and - whether they get into a relationship or not - he's behaved really badly in professional terms, as well as personally.

I probably shouldn't be hoping his world falls down around his shoulders, but I bloody well am! I also hope your colleagues and friends will rally round you. I realise you're an extremely capable adult, but it's more than okay to lean on others for support when things go weird.

Myfamilyisquirky · 26/10/2025 14:43

outerspacepotato · 26/10/2025 14:25

I'm sorry you've found your husband isn't who you thought he was.

He's her superior at work, her sort of mentor and he's trying to pressure her into turning an EA into a sexual affair by lies. I think the school needs to know he's the kind of employee that pressures much younger women for sex. Someone who would do that shouldn't be in his position.

You've acted decisively, well done. Now it's time to lawyer up.

Totally agree this behaviour is so unprofessional and to be honest creepy and preditory.

outerspacepotato · 26/10/2025 15:58

worriedmum1982 · 26/10/2025 14:33

I intend on it.
I also intend on either sharing what's happened with the school or, at the very least, confronting his would be mistress.

I don't blame you one bit although I'm sorry that it came to this.

He shouldn't be supervising women. @Myfamilyisquirky is right. He's creepy and predatory.

She's not given him a flat, no, you're married, fuck off ew. She's told him she returned his feelings. That's encouragement. She played coy.

They've both shown their asses.

worriedmum1982 · 26/10/2025 17:30

outerspacepotato · 26/10/2025 15:58

I don't blame you one bit although I'm sorry that it came to this.

He shouldn't be supervising women. @Myfamilyisquirky is right. He's creepy and predatory.

She's not given him a flat, no, you're married, fuck off ew. She's told him she returned his feelings. That's encouragement. She played coy.

They've both shown their asses.

He is not her supervisor, they co teach. Regardless I'm sure the school will want to know something like this is going on.
I did already reach out to her (Girl) on FB. Lengthy message. VERY curious to see if she will respond

worriedmum1982 · 26/10/2025 18:20

By the way - not sure if this will help anyone, but there are a few things I missed, that I think were red flags in hindsight:
Sudden extreme weight loss and changes to his appearance (much less unkempt, dressed nicely to go to school). He was heavy up to 6 months ago and went very far in dropping the weight, it became almost worrisome. New wardrobe for the new body.
Stopped smoking and cut drinking. I mention this because he told me it isn't attractive to do either when I have never told him I found either unattractive, as a matter of fact I am a smoker.
Interest in what I did in a day decreased significantly.
If this tells one person what they need to know about their partner I will be content. I never imagined being cheated on, much less with someone nearly half my age. Its horrific.

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worriedmum1982 · 26/10/2025 17:30

He is not her supervisor, they co teach. Regardless I'm sure the school will want to know something like this is going on.
I did already reach out to her (Girl) on FB. Lengthy message. VERY curious to see if she will respond

Guessing they’re both English Teachers from his ‘Dolls House’ comment. How dare he appropriate feminist literature and make it about his sordid little affair with a woman who’s barely an adult (humans apparently aren’t really adults til 25).
what a disgrace he is !

Glindaa · 26/10/2025 19:01

Why does it matter if the post is outing ? OP has nothing to be ashamed of & DH deserves to be outed.
Sounds like the girl didn’t reciprocate, but she has continued the dialogue …

outerspacepotato · 26/10/2025 19:33

Oh, I thought he was a bit over her in the pecking order, like a preceptor with a new hire and new to the profession.

The physical improvements were another red flag.

GarlicHound · 26/10/2025 21:26

@worriedmum1982, both mine stopped smoking as they were on their way out! At the time(s) I was baffled as to why it made me so uneasy. I suppose it might be more obvious now "nobody" smokes (call me nobody, I'm past caring 😏) but in a way, a shared bad habit is part of your bond; it almost felt like a statement of separation.

XH1 also claimed to be getting fit - oddly, he didn't look any fitter. That would be because his morning runs were only half a mile, to OW's house.

Notthehill · 26/10/2025 22:20

OP please ignore the freaks hung up on use of the words 'girl' and 'skinny'. 🙄

SugarPlumpFairyCakes · 26/10/2025 23:19

Notthehill · 26/10/2025 22:20

OP please ignore the freaks hung up on use of the words 'girl' and 'skinny'. 🙄

This.

Pryceosh1987 · 27/10/2025 00:43

An open book is easier to read and has pages which turn with experiences.

3luckystars · 27/10/2025 01:02

Sorry to read your update but not surprised. The necklace was a code red.

I might be wrong but would not involve work yet. I would hold tight for now. Take a few days off work if you need to.

Call the Employee Assistance Program and get legal advice on what to do next. They can’t represent you but can give you bullet points of legal and financial advice.

It’s all free and confidential and you can also get counselling too.

Good luck.

MsDogLady · 27/10/2025 01:50

So his phone did indeed hold more detailed evidence of his heinous behavior. You must be reeling, @worriedmum1982. His despicable comments and the lies he told to fuel his affair after you have given so abundantly to him and the children are unforgivable.

He is a cliche from the Script who is rewriting history to justify defiling his marriage, family and workplace to pursue this shiny new OW. If he had truly been unhappy for ages [he wasn’t], he had a range of ethical options to use to deal with it. The truth is he is another self-serving, weak-boundaried cheat who felt entitled to chase flattering ‘feel goods’ from his, and your, young colleague. What a sorry role model he is for your children and his students.

As for OW, she may be refusing at the moment to cross a sexual line or ride into the sunset with him, but she has absolutely used her agency to collude in this emotional affair which has harmed you and your family and jeopardized her career.

@worriedmum1982, I admire your definitive response to his infidelity and devious dishonesty in the face of your heartbreak. I too would have sent him away and contacted OW. I suggest that you now (1) inform your employer regarding their violation of professional conduct and (2) consult with a solicitor to explore your options.

I will be thinking of you. Keep posting for our support, @worriedmum1982.

Milosc · 27/10/2025 02:27

worriedmum1982 · 26/10/2025 14:33

I intend on it.
I also intend on either sharing what's happened with the school or, at the very least, confronting his would be mistress.

I would absolutely let the school know. I would tell everyone in that school how disgusting they both are. I don't think they would want to keep him employed as he is a liability preying on the new female employees as he is supposed to mentor her, not have sex with her. She should also lose her job as well as she is being completely unprofessional. How fucking stupid they both are. You won't want to have to work in a building with them anyway so let them both suffer.

Let them both lose their fucking careers, they deserve nothing more. They are there to teach children, not find a fuck buddy. As a teacher myself this is absolutely disgusting. You can bet they have been doing inappropriate things in school as well. The students know too. They aren't stupid and see things.

Lawyer up OP and be ready. You may see posts telling you not to jeopardize his job so he can support your DC but he deserves to lose his job. You can support your DC on your own. I bet they wont be such star crossed love when they lose their careers and are unemployable and lose everything.

Oh, and tell his parents and family too. Take control of the narrative swiftly and to your advantage. What a stupid, stupid man.

SamkaSabrinka · 27/10/2025 04:09

Already having sex imo

SugarPlumpFairyCakes · 27/10/2025 08:14

God he sounds like a right dick. What an embarrassment he is.

LetsPutTheKettleOn · 27/10/2025 17:43

I’ve been following this thread with great sadness. I’ve been there. I think as another poster said that you need to control the narrative and let the cat out of the bag to the school/colleagues/friends/family. That will quickly sober them both up as the fantasy of their relationship becomes a reality. she’s very young and was very likely easily manipulated by him. When everyone finds out, the humiliation, shame, guilt, fear of losing her job will likely put an end to things. He in turn, will look like the middle aged cliché of a man making a fool of himself with a woman half his age. Keep your head held high, and don’t let him gaslight you into taking him back when she no longer wants him.
I do think the relationship is likely already physical at this point, but I could be wrong.

supersop60 · 27/10/2025 18:22

So sorry to see your updates OP.
Ditto here to the losing weight and change of wardrobe red flags.
You sound as though you’ve found your anger - it’s very empowering. Stay strong.

worriedmum1982 · 27/10/2025 18:23

Lo and behold, Girl did answer my message. I will reword it a bit for those who are still here and told me to keep posting to vent... I am admittedly curious to see what others think about it - I don't know if anger is just clouding my judgement, or if I am totally hitting the nail on the head here when I call BS
"Hi worriedmum1982, I'm really sad to read this. cheatinghusband1988 and I have been working together closely and it's true that our friendship has at times crossed lines of what is/isn't appropriate. I have tried to keep my distance but it hasn't been easy as cheatinghusband1988 and I are sort of inseparable through our work.
As i can presume you already know, I did tell cheatinghusband88 that i am not interested in engaging in an extramarital affair with anyone. cheatinghusband1988 and I have NEVER engaged in any sort of inappropriate behavior" - could've just said No, I didn't fuck your husband, Girl - "and I wouldn't have let that happen. At the end of the day we are also professionals and should pose a positive example for our students.
I hope everything turns out well, please know I will be distancing myself from cheatinghusband1988 out of respect for you and your children. I am so sorry this has happened. Really." And 10 more apologies. At least there is an apology from her, right, as opposed to cheatinghubby, who has taken to living with mommy... utterly pathetic.
Anywho- does this read as guilty to anyone else?

OchreRaven · 27/10/2025 18:31

Well she’s thrown him under the bus basically saying the only reason they haven’t had sex is because she has morals and cares about your kids. Whether it is true or not who knows but it doesn’t matter. He has admitted he wants her and she has confirmed it. The fact she’s backing off just shows what an idiot he is. He blew up his marriage for a woman who doesn’t want him. You have proof she has confirmed that their relationship has crossed lines if you want to go to the school but I would wait and see how things play out. Concentrate on your kids and yourself. Let him live with his mum and start seeking legal advice to ensure you are protected as much as possible.

UpMyself · 27/10/2025 18:31

I have NEVER engaged in any sort of inappropriate behavior - smacks a bit of Bill Clinton's denial, but might be true. Accepting gifts, lifts and emails was inappropriate.

She would deny it anyway.