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Is this an emotional affair?

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Hubbyissue82 · 24/10/2025 13:49

Long post. Sorry.
Husband and I are around our 40s and have been married for nearly 10 years now. In the past 10 years we have bought our own home, filled it not just with love but with two children and a dog. Which is not to say it has been easy… It has not been, on my end at least, for about a year.
Let me allow you a bit more background: hubby and I share the same workplace, though we are employed there in different positions. I only see him around lunchtime, which we – usually – spend together. About a year ago, our workplace hired someone new. I will refer to her as Girl. Girl is twenty-four and works closely with husband. Exactly how would give too much away, but they often work as a team. Initially, husband didn't like the idea of Girl assisting him in his work, because 1) she is quite a bit younger than we are, which, in our experience, often leads to different attitudes and therefore disagreement, and 2) she is freshly graduated, and, as such, not a very experienced professional.
His opinion of Girl changed rather quickly. I found this positive, as the idea of Girl working alongside him had previously caused some stress. Husband informed me that Girl made a favourable first impression, both on the people he works with and on him. I myself have of course already met Girl. Girl is friendly, creative, gentle. Impassioned about the work she does. I understood immediately how come hubby and Girl got along swimmingly.
Since Girl has started her job at our workplace, I have noticed, a couple of changes have emerged in the relationship between hubby and me. The most evident of them all is that hubby spends a lot of time with Girl. He doesn't say it like this, of course. But I know he works overtime, sometimes multiple days in the week, on projects he undertakes with Girl to innovate. ‘Breathing new life into old ideas’. OK, honey. Then, there is our lunch breaks! We would enjoy these together, before. These moments I look forward to throughout the morning have had to make way more than once for “work stuff”. Code, of course, for “creative brainstorming” with Girl. He never mentions he is doing this work stuff with her; this is what alerted me in the first place. Why does he feel the need to leave out Girl when he tells me he can’t spend his lunch break with me?
I have asked him about this, by the way. I appreciate forthright communication and he has always done the same. His answer was pretty clear: he presumed I knew, since his job is basically a shared position, now, and presumed as well that I did not care. I told him that I don’t, but that I feel a bit strange about his total silence about Girl in this “work stuff”. We had a good, honest conversation about it, I thought, and so I thought that was the end of my paranoiac suspicions about him and Girl. Why was I worried, anyway? Hubby likes his women blonde and skinny. Girl is dark haired and somewhat on the chubby side. NOT his type. He has made (lighthearted) jokes about her figure. So, NO reason to fret. Right?
Some time on from this valuable conversation, Girl and hubby continue to be “work pals”. Since Girl lives closeby, on the mornings he is not the one to bring our kids to school, hubby picks her up in the early morning and they carpool to work together. This decision was not made by us both. One morning, hubby just told me he felt it would be a good thing to do. I asked “why?”. She can drive, after all, she has her own car. He said it just felt like a nice thing to do. OK, honey. So Girl and him do not just spend many lunchbreaks together, but they drive to work together, as well. Again I had a conversation with hubby about his relationship with Girl. I named it for what it was in my eyes, a relationship. I asked him if it didn’t feel strange, to somehow connect so well with a woman more than ten years his (our) junior. At this he seemed mildly ticked off. He expressed that he found it ‘difficult’ that I was suspicious of this work relationship, since he has not always been lucky to have pleasant co-workers; I said I was not suspicious, maybe a bit worried, since so much of his time and thoughts are shared with Girl. Eventually we agreed on a boundary, being that outside of school, he would limit his communication with Girl, as they were certainly crossing into close friendship territory as opposed to close colleague territory.
He agreed. Communication, however, has not ceased. It did for a little while, I think, but I am aware they speak on Facebook and message back and forth. Which in and of itself I find deeply appropriate for a late 30s father and a mid 20s single woman. So… I may or may not have snooped a week or two ago to see just what these messages contain. All in all the entire chat log was innocent. Back and forth about everything and nothing. Something in me, though, reads all of it as two people falling in love? I can’t quite put my finger on it. Mocking teasing, sending one another photo’s of “thing that reminded me of you today while I was shopping!”, juvenile memes I don’t understand but he seems to like. I also found out hubby has bought her a gift on occasion (one time, a set of books; another time, a necklace with the initial of her name). Why does he do this? Why doesn’t he tell me he does this?
Since this I have been living in this weird state of being torn between two roads. I do trust husband. He has never given me any reason to suspect him of infidelity. Out of everyone I know, hubby would be the last I would think is capable of lying, cheating, etc. And yet, on the other road there is the strange reality that we have grown a bit more distant. We are a good couple and good parents to our kids as we have been but I can’t say things haven’t cooled down in certain departments of our relationship. Barely any dates. Sex is… something that happens maybe once a month.
I hope this Bible I wrote paints a somewhat clear picture for you to be able to answer this post's title. Is hubby having an emotional affair? If this goes on, will he cheat? It's a tough spot to be in, I hope some other perspectives or perhaps even experiences from other women will help me recognize just what position I am in. Or, well, what to expect. Ask me any questions if you would like to know more. I am an open book and sort of desperate, I'll admit.
Thank you in advance!

OP posts:
worriedmum1982 · 26/10/2025 10:12

OP here. I deleted my account in a panic because I was afraid I'd given away too much, having mentioned our jobs, and someone I know in real life would stumble on this post. Seeing as the post wasn't even deleted with my account, I figured I'd give an update anyways, as a lot has happened since I last logged on.
It has been a wild 24 hours. I am upset, mostly for my children; for myself it's mostly disappointment in myself for being so blind at my age. I looked through his cellphone as I said I would and there was... a lot on there. There were tons and tons of messages between him and her and the contents were a lot worse than what I found on his Facebook chat-logs. He has been actively pursuing her and trying to persuade her into starting a romantic, and sexual, I suppose, relationship by feeding her lies about me and our relationship. He told her he only married me to please his parents, was never attracted to me, feels stuck in a life he didn't choose for himself. That I refuse to treat him like a man or a partner, just the parent of our children. It just went on and on and on, all lies of course, I suppose to soothe his own feeling of guilt.
Even though in earlier messages, she reciprocated his disgusting, flirtatious manner of speaking, she responded that she returned his feelings deep down but would never do anything because he is married, and because the age difference is so big. Apparently having grown up without a father, she would also "feel bad for causing the same to innocent kids". He did not even acknowledge my children throughout these conversations. Just time and again, "I have feelings for you and I want to spend the rest of my life with you, not my wife".
Not that it matters but nothing of a sexual nature, no pictures as I had feared. I assume they haven't consummated their delusional bond yet, but I assume it will be soon.
I confronted him with these messages as fast as I could and as some have told me to do, told him he had to leave without a fuss. I did tell him if he didn't, I would alert our employer immediately and I would do whatever I could to see him fired. He knew instantly what I was talking about without me having to mention his would be mistress and didn't try to deny it. We had a bit of a conversation about the 'Why" and he did somewhat double down on what he told her. The feeling was never as electric as he'd hoped, he's been unhappy for a long time in our marriage, he felt more like an object in a doll house than a person, bla bla bla. He did agree to leave until we figure out what's next, for us and more importantly for our children. They are confused, of course, but they are safe and that is all that matters.
At this point they are all I am worried about, as hurt as I am, I do believe I deserve better than some disgusting cheat going for twenty year olds, vile. I'm just disgusted. And to think I spent years of my life with this man, gave him children, supported him through thick and thin.

Daftapath · 26/10/2025 10:23

Oh op, that is so sad. What horrible things to read. It’s the usual story of ‘the script’ and them rewriting history. You have done the right thing in asking him to leave and discussing your thoughts in the dcs.

Best of luck to you all

Diarygirlqueen · 26/10/2025 10:32

Sorry OP, I would be confronting her as well. She would be losing alot for this relationship, make her aware of the consequences. She's young.
You're a strong woman, so different from another thread, I wish you well. You and your children deserve so much better x

AmyDuPlantier · 26/10/2025 10:50

@worriedmum1982i am really sorry but wow, you have really properly dealt with it now, and there is some power and relief and dignity in that.

Nanny0gg · 26/10/2025 10:59

VineandIvy · 26/10/2025 08:08

I’m currently 7.5 months pregnant and own the house DH and I live In outright so this is probably a very hormonal based response of what I would do 😂

But in reality, he’s already heading into her arms/already there. Letting him be there without the illicit secret longing and thrill of it all, might just shed some cold hard light on the reality of the situation

If you're married you might find that you don't own it outright any more.

Zanzara · 26/10/2025 11:40

OP, I'm so sorry to read your update. It sounds like you really read him the riot act, and good for you! Take your time and figure out what you want. Here is a good place for support and guidance from many other women who have gone through what you are going through.

Sending love and best wishes. At least you know what you're dealing with now, 💕

RiseOfTheTeenyTinies · 26/10/2025 12:47

Sorry you are having to deal with this betrayal OP. Keep your head held high. Wishing you all the strength in the world.

crazeekat · 26/10/2025 13:03

Op well done and good for you. Another man who is seeing women are not standing for their crap anymore. I’m sorry this has all happened but one day u will look back and be proud proud proud u have stood up for yourself. You deserve way more. Don’t ever forget this is his fault not yours. Don’t be scared by talk of money being hard, moving homes, downgrading. He will try every trick in the book to get u back when reality hits. And don’t be ashamed of tell people what has happened. None of this is on you. I really am applauding you 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

BuckChuckets · 26/10/2025 13:08

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UpMyself · 26/10/2025 13:21

@BuckChuckets , OP wasn't being snarky about the other woman's body,and she used 'Girl' because the woman appears girlish. Your post is nasty.

BuckChuckets · 26/10/2025 13:25

UpMyself · 26/10/2025 13:21

@BuckChuckets , OP wasn't being snarky about the other woman's body,and she used 'Girl' because the woman appears girlish. Your post is nasty.

That's your opinion, all I'm doing is explaining how she comes across to me, she sounds nasty and full of internalised misogyny.

OchreRaven · 26/10/2025 13:26

@worriedmum1982 im sorry it’s worse than you had feared but there is peace in finally knowing what you felt deep down — that this friendship was not appropriate or platonic. If he was so miserable with you why deny it when you asked? Why reassure you if he knew for certain he didn’t want to be with you? The truth is this has nothing to do with you. He is in limerence with her. But the chances of it working out with her is extremely unlikely. It would affect their careers and she’s just starting out in life. She doesn’t want to be tied to a divorced single father after the crush has worn off. He’s a fool.

As the older and a more experienced teacher, he has been pressuring her into a romantic relationship which she has told him she doesn’t want. There is no way they should be working together. It’s sexual harassment and the school should know.

I cant see this working out for either of them but this is not your concern. By being so brutal about you and your relationship he’s left no wiggle room for reconciliation so from now on take care of yourself and your children. His feelings, actions and life is not for you to worry about. Well done for showing him such strength and resilience.

worriedmum1982 · 26/10/2025 13:30

BuckChuckets · 26/10/2025 13:25

That's your opinion, all I'm doing is explaining how she comes across to me, she sounds nasty and full of internalised misogyny.

HOW is this the time and place to talk about how I referred to her? It wasn't meant in a nasty way. She's girlish in how she looks and behaves, feminine, girly. As such I nicknamed her Girl. Not a girl. At this point, though, who cares. I may turn misogynistic because of people like you turning nothing into something extraordinarily offensive. Get a job.

UpMyself · 26/10/2025 13:39

@BuckChuckets She does not. What exactly do you gain from accusing OP of things she is not?
OP described 'Girl' as being a different body type to herself. It's not internalised misogyny.

BuckChuckets · 26/10/2025 13:40

worriedmum1982 · 26/10/2025 13:30

HOW is this the time and place to talk about how I referred to her? It wasn't meant in a nasty way. She's girlish in how she looks and behaves, feminine, girly. As such I nicknamed her Girl. Not a girl. At this point, though, who cares. I may turn misogynistic because of people like you turning nothing into something extraordinarily offensive. Get a job.

I've got a job, thanks 😂

BuckChuckets · 26/10/2025 13:41

UpMyself · 26/10/2025 13:39

@BuckChuckets She does not. What exactly do you gain from accusing OP of things she is not?
OP described 'Girl' as being a different body type to herself. It's not internalised misogyny.

Dramatic, much? This is a public forum, where people are allowed to comment. I'm not 'accusing' her of anything, I'm explaining how she comes across to me, and has continued to come across in all her posts.

BuckChuckets · 26/10/2025 13:44

@worriedmum1982 because you changed your username, I hadn't read your update. I wouldn't have made the comment about him loving her body, if I had. But the rest still stands.

UpMyself · 26/10/2025 13:45

@BuckChuckets , stop trying to make the thread about you.

BuckChuckets · 26/10/2025 13:46

UpMyself · 26/10/2025 13:45

@BuckChuckets , stop trying to make the thread about you.

😂

UpMyself · 26/10/2025 13:52

BuckChuckets · 26/10/2025 13:46

😂

Biscuit
Kidsgotothatschool · 26/10/2025 13:52

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Well aren’t you a little proud keyboard warrior! How utterly unnecessary!

Kidsgotothatschool · 26/10/2025 13:57

worriedmum1982 · 26/10/2025 13:30

HOW is this the time and place to talk about how I referred to her? It wasn't meant in a nasty way. She's girlish in how she looks and behaves, feminine, girly. As such I nicknamed her Girl. Not a girl. At this point, though, who cares. I may turn misogynistic because of people like you turning nothing into something extraordinarily offensive. Get a job.

Ignore @BuckChuckets!

I’m so so sorry it was as unpleasant as we all thought. Well done for having the courage to stand up and let him know what you found out. Everything @OchreRaven said is true. You need to hold fast to keeping him at an arms length. Get yourself on surviving infidelity and google their 180, it’s a strategy for getting some emotional space. And it does help. Don’t under estimate the shock you’re in, please be gentle and self care is paramount. Then it’s time to contact a solicitor because stay or go you need the right financial advice right now!

Myfamilyisquirky · 26/10/2025 14:10

All of it is completely inappropriate and you have every right to feel uneasy. As soon as you are not happy with the situation he shouldbe prioritising you and your relationship. It's really sad and I'm so sorry you are going through this. Private messages gifts taking her to work completely out of order you are not the wrong he is.

WatchingTheDetective · 26/10/2025 14:14

He's acting as though he's single. I do feel you're justified in going through his phone in the circumstances.

outerspacepotato · 26/10/2025 14:25

I'm sorry you've found your husband isn't who you thought he was.

He's her superior at work, her sort of mentor and he's trying to pressure her into turning an EA into a sexual affair by lies. I think the school needs to know he's the kind of employee that pressures much younger women for sex. Someone who would do that shouldn't be in his position.

You've acted decisively, well done. Now it's time to lawyer up.

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