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Is this an emotional affair?

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Hubbyissue82 · 24/10/2025 13:49

Long post. Sorry.
Husband and I are around our 40s and have been married for nearly 10 years now. In the past 10 years we have bought our own home, filled it not just with love but with two children and a dog. Which is not to say it has been easy… It has not been, on my end at least, for about a year.
Let me allow you a bit more background: hubby and I share the same workplace, though we are employed there in different positions. I only see him around lunchtime, which we – usually – spend together. About a year ago, our workplace hired someone new. I will refer to her as Girl. Girl is twenty-four and works closely with husband. Exactly how would give too much away, but they often work as a team. Initially, husband didn't like the idea of Girl assisting him in his work, because 1) she is quite a bit younger than we are, which, in our experience, often leads to different attitudes and therefore disagreement, and 2) she is freshly graduated, and, as such, not a very experienced professional.
His opinion of Girl changed rather quickly. I found this positive, as the idea of Girl working alongside him had previously caused some stress. Husband informed me that Girl made a favourable first impression, both on the people he works with and on him. I myself have of course already met Girl. Girl is friendly, creative, gentle. Impassioned about the work she does. I understood immediately how come hubby and Girl got along swimmingly.
Since Girl has started her job at our workplace, I have noticed, a couple of changes have emerged in the relationship between hubby and me. The most evident of them all is that hubby spends a lot of time with Girl. He doesn't say it like this, of course. But I know he works overtime, sometimes multiple days in the week, on projects he undertakes with Girl to innovate. ‘Breathing new life into old ideas’. OK, honey. Then, there is our lunch breaks! We would enjoy these together, before. These moments I look forward to throughout the morning have had to make way more than once for “work stuff”. Code, of course, for “creative brainstorming” with Girl. He never mentions he is doing this work stuff with her; this is what alerted me in the first place. Why does he feel the need to leave out Girl when he tells me he can’t spend his lunch break with me?
I have asked him about this, by the way. I appreciate forthright communication and he has always done the same. His answer was pretty clear: he presumed I knew, since his job is basically a shared position, now, and presumed as well that I did not care. I told him that I don’t, but that I feel a bit strange about his total silence about Girl in this “work stuff”. We had a good, honest conversation about it, I thought, and so I thought that was the end of my paranoiac suspicions about him and Girl. Why was I worried, anyway? Hubby likes his women blonde and skinny. Girl is dark haired and somewhat on the chubby side. NOT his type. He has made (lighthearted) jokes about her figure. So, NO reason to fret. Right?
Some time on from this valuable conversation, Girl and hubby continue to be “work pals”. Since Girl lives closeby, on the mornings he is not the one to bring our kids to school, hubby picks her up in the early morning and they carpool to work together. This decision was not made by us both. One morning, hubby just told me he felt it would be a good thing to do. I asked “why?”. She can drive, after all, she has her own car. He said it just felt like a nice thing to do. OK, honey. So Girl and him do not just spend many lunchbreaks together, but they drive to work together, as well. Again I had a conversation with hubby about his relationship with Girl. I named it for what it was in my eyes, a relationship. I asked him if it didn’t feel strange, to somehow connect so well with a woman more than ten years his (our) junior. At this he seemed mildly ticked off. He expressed that he found it ‘difficult’ that I was suspicious of this work relationship, since he has not always been lucky to have pleasant co-workers; I said I was not suspicious, maybe a bit worried, since so much of his time and thoughts are shared with Girl. Eventually we agreed on a boundary, being that outside of school, he would limit his communication with Girl, as they were certainly crossing into close friendship territory as opposed to close colleague territory.
He agreed. Communication, however, has not ceased. It did for a little while, I think, but I am aware they speak on Facebook and message back and forth. Which in and of itself I find deeply appropriate for a late 30s father and a mid 20s single woman. So… I may or may not have snooped a week or two ago to see just what these messages contain. All in all the entire chat log was innocent. Back and forth about everything and nothing. Something in me, though, reads all of it as two people falling in love? I can’t quite put my finger on it. Mocking teasing, sending one another photo’s of “thing that reminded me of you today while I was shopping!”, juvenile memes I don’t understand but he seems to like. I also found out hubby has bought her a gift on occasion (one time, a set of books; another time, a necklace with the initial of her name). Why does he do this? Why doesn’t he tell me he does this?
Since this I have been living in this weird state of being torn between two roads. I do trust husband. He has never given me any reason to suspect him of infidelity. Out of everyone I know, hubby would be the last I would think is capable of lying, cheating, etc. And yet, on the other road there is the strange reality that we have grown a bit more distant. We are a good couple and good parents to our kids as we have been but I can’t say things haven’t cooled down in certain departments of our relationship. Barely any dates. Sex is… something that happens maybe once a month.
I hope this Bible I wrote paints a somewhat clear picture for you to be able to answer this post's title. Is hubby having an emotional affair? If this goes on, will he cheat? It's a tough spot to be in, I hope some other perspectives or perhaps even experiences from other women will help me recognize just what position I am in. Or, well, what to expect. Ask me any questions if you would like to know more. I am an open book and sort of desperate, I'll admit.
Thank you in advance!

OP posts:
Mangetoutmangetouti · 25/10/2025 11:42

Thewookiemustgo · 25/10/2025 10:55

OP he’s already being unfaithful, emotional affairs are classed as infidelity.
Also “he’s the one with the vows” whilst very true, never, ever excuses women’s personal behaviour around other women’s partners.
It is not up to women to police men, of course not, infidelity is a choice and they can and should choose not to.
However, women who knowingly accept this sort of behaviour from a married man, go along with it and/ or encourage it, are not ‘vulnerable’.
They know exactly what they are doing and they know that what they are doing within somebody else’s relationship is also morally wrong.
There are stereotypes on MN occasionally of the older male lothario ‘grooming’ the younger, vulnerable, naive woman, and the other one is the evil, beautiful siren woman seducing the helpless married man who is powerless to resist….they are both ways of portraying a victim and an offender and can be a way of passing the blame buck around in affairs.
The truth actually lies in another old adage “it takes two to tango.”
OP’s husband is the offender in OP’s marriage, but the young woman involved is not his hapless victim, she’s a willing accomplice and knows the difference between right and wrong and has personal agency in this situation. “Well, he’s the one who took the vows, the OW is single” might be true, but knowingly being somebody’s OW and ignoring the potential dire impact of your actions on others for your own selfish desires, is appalling behaviour by anybody’s standards. Being unfaithful to your partner is wrong, having a secret affair with somebody else’s partner is also wrong.
There are always two people behaving badly in affairs, not one.
Ultimatum time, OP, before it hits the fan and there are marriage breakups, disciplinaries, job losses and everybody involved is a laughing stock with colleagues, students and parents. It’s decades since I was at school as a student, but I could still tell you now the names of the teachers who were having affairs. It was obvious at the time and all came out in the end.
You deserve better treatment. Also be careful what you say here, your local press would have a field day with it, anything remotely scandalous in a local school is pure gold clickbait for their websites. You’d be astonished how stuff gets out and how far it can go. Big schools have very big rumour mills.

many schools / academies have press embargoes now and local newspapers do not have the resources to fight academy lawyers , even national media doesn’t so I wouldn’t worry too much, schools are not as skint as people think they are, especially when it comes to acadamies

Hanschristiananderson · 25/10/2025 11:53

Mangetoutmangetouti · 25/10/2025 11:39

I saw an older teacher fall for a younger colleague. They had an affair. He left his wife for her, she didn’t want him permanently, he ended up losing his job and his marriage

This is usually what happens.

UpMyself · 25/10/2025 12:00

@176509user , Not sure what job title has to do with it ?
If OP was Laura from Finance, the DH Dave from Marketing, and Girl a marketing executive, and the a workplace was a large organisaton, it would probably not be as public as a school.

If Mr OP the HoD of English arrived with Miss Girl, the new English teacher each morning, and Mrs OP the History teacher arrived alone later, the gossip would be rife in the staffroom and schoolyard.

reversingdumptruckwithnotyreson · 25/10/2025 12:01

ToastedAlmond · 25/10/2025 10:48

Let's be real a 24 year old is very much a girl when it comes to older male employer grooming. If she was 30, fine but under 25s are generally still pretty immature.

He’s not her employer, her livelihood doesn’t depend on him.

UpMyself · 25/10/2025 12:16

When I read the OP, there were no replies and no other posts by @Hubbyissue82 , and the wording made me think it was a t-word thread, but gave the benefit of the doubt.

The jokes about figure might be something and nothing. The posters piling on about the use of the term 'girl' is a detraction. OP could have used 'Chloe' or 'Emily' instead of 'Girl'.

Thewookiemustgo · 25/10/2025 12:18

Mangetoutmangetouti · 25/10/2025 11:42

many schools / academies have press embargoes now and local newspapers do not have the resources to fight academy lawyers , even national media doesn’t so I wouldn’t worry too much, schools are not as skint as people think they are, especially when it comes to acadamies

Blimey times have changed. Thanks for that. Don’t get me started on about Academy trusts though, or waste in public services…

Kitkate21 · 25/10/2025 12:24

Hubbyissue82 · 24/10/2025 14:59

Oh, God. We were talking about something that had happened at work with the people my husband works with. One of them had made a remark about her curves and hubby made a joke about it. It was nothing demeaning.

Well would he have said it to her face?? Him and his work mates speak about women's bodies? And that's okay? He fancies her IMO. You don't buy jewellery for basic work colleagues especially when you are married. She's 24. A woman, irrelevant what her fashion sense is like. Freshly graduated and full of ideas, great, good for her! His behaviour is inappropriate especially if he is in some way has any direct responsibility for her/her work

3luckystars · 25/10/2025 12:33

You do seem very detached about it all. As if you are watching a film.

UpMyself · 25/10/2025 12:43

AmyDuPlantier · 25/10/2025 09:55

Jesus the OP can’t win. She must not be rude about the woman fucking her husband. The woman is not a girl. The girl is being groomed.

The derailment of every thread on here these days makes it such a shit place to spend any amount of time.

I agree. just as OP did not refer to the OW as 'girl' (it was 'Girl'), she didn't use the word 'plump'.

MoominMai · 25/10/2025 13:11

Hubbyissue82 · 24/10/2025 14:59

Oh, God. We were talking about something that had happened at work with the people my husband works with. One of them had made a remark about her curves and hubby made a joke about it. It was nothing demeaning.

The fact hubby joined in makes it demeaning. What other direction would a joke about someone’s chubby/curvy figure go in? 🙄

Hanschristiananderson · 25/10/2025 17:48

MoominMai · 25/10/2025 13:11

The fact hubby joined in makes it demeaning. What other direction would a joke about someone’s chubby/curvy figure go in? 🙄

It's just really distasteful that work colleagues would be talking about a young woman like that.

AmyDuPlantier · 25/10/2025 18:00

Yeah cos that’s the worst part of the situation 🙄

shhblackbag · 25/10/2025 18:00

CrowMate · 25/10/2025 10:47

@user1492757084 Can you speak with the manager in your workplace and just say that Girl is taking a long while to learn the ropes, your husband is still feeling like he needs to drive her to school and spend many lunch times with her. Ask manager to see whether Girl needs some other intervention with a different teacher, or perhaps needs to be left to swim on her own

This is so wildly inappropriate. I’m aghast.

It really is.

Thewookiemustgo · 25/10/2025 18:06

Sadly in many of the places I’ve worked in the women were the worst offenders for joking about female colleagues’ shapes/ sizes/ dress sense.
Unpleasant and unprofessional, whoever might be doing it in a workplace.
I’d be wary of assuming anyone has a set ‘type’ they are attracted to. Where the older/ higher status man/ younger attractive woman dynamic is at play, it’s more about how the pursuit if one by the other makes them both feel: older man feels flattered and like he’s ’still got it’ when a younger woman takes an interest, younger woman feels like she’s attracted a man of status and some feel like they are ‘winning’ if they can attract a formerly committed man away from his wife or partner.
Type doesn’t come into it, how much they actually know about the other person doesn’t come into it. The mutual ego boost and massage is what’s going on.

MoominMai · 25/10/2025 18:42

Thewookiemustgo · 25/10/2025 18:06

Sadly in many of the places I’ve worked in the women were the worst offenders for joking about female colleagues’ shapes/ sizes/ dress sense.
Unpleasant and unprofessional, whoever might be doing it in a workplace.
I’d be wary of assuming anyone has a set ‘type’ they are attracted to. Where the older/ higher status man/ younger attractive woman dynamic is at play, it’s more about how the pursuit if one by the other makes them both feel: older man feels flattered and like he’s ’still got it’ when a younger woman takes an interest, younger woman feels like she’s attracted a man of status and some feel like they are ‘winning’ if they can attract a formerly committed man away from his wife or partner.
Type doesn’t come into it, how much they actually know about the other person doesn’t come into it. The mutual ego boost and massage is what’s going on.

Very true. Both men and women may strongly believe they have a type and in some cases their other half will personify that. But in the real world where egos are being massaged and flirty convo is ever present it can awaken desires and an attraction that sometimes goes completely against their usual ‘types’ which is why I guess sometimes partners are so blindsided when it culminates in a physical affair.

KiwiFall · 25/10/2025 22:40

He’s having an affair. At the moment just emotional but I think he would move to physical if given the chance. Maybe you think if you just sit back and watch it will all fizzle out but I think you deserve someone who wants to be with you and not settling for you because someone else isn’t interested. I’m sure other colleagues will have noticed too.

notthisagain2025 · 26/10/2025 01:18

So, see a lawyer as he is having an affair, don't grovel or play the pick me dance, at all, boot him out today and never take him back if he comes crawling.

These are the things you should do, but won't.

Glindaa · 26/10/2025 06:30

Maybe OP should get the rumour mill going herself, soon all the staff will know everything that’s happened and things will get very mortifyingly uncomfortable for the girl & DH

MsDogLady · 26/10/2025 06:58

@Hubbyissue82, I’ve been thinking of you. How are things going?

VineandIvy · 26/10/2025 07:01

Hubbyissue82 · 24/10/2025 15:12

Does anyone think it would be justified looking through his phone? Or is that inexcusable, no matter what?

‘You bought her personalised jewellery and sentimental books’ trumps ‘how dare you look at my phone’.

You are both married with small children, you’ve raised concerns and he’s diminished every single one of them while escalating his own behaviour behind your back after being asked not to. Only a very silly and egotistical man is going to say how dare you look at my phone.

OP. Another conversation won’t change things here. A really hard shock might. Personally I’d pack a bag of what he needs for a week and get the lock changed on the door and block his number. Let him sit in a crap hotel for a week and see how important necklaces and tailored books and texting younger women 24/7 are then.

Additionally I’m pretty sure HR would have some
concerns if it was raised to them that the nature of their relationship could be somewhat inappropriate given their focus should be on the children on their care. It all depends how nuclear you want to go.

But you can’t talk this one out, you’ve tried the talking and he’s not listening. He really isn’t thinking about all he could lose here. I think you need to remind him.

sending love

supersop60 · 26/10/2025 07:39

VineandIvy · 26/10/2025 07:01

‘You bought her personalised jewellery and sentimental books’ trumps ‘how dare you look at my phone’.

You are both married with small children, you’ve raised concerns and he’s diminished every single one of them while escalating his own behaviour behind your back after being asked not to. Only a very silly and egotistical man is going to say how dare you look at my phone.

OP. Another conversation won’t change things here. A really hard shock might. Personally I’d pack a bag of what he needs for a week and get the lock changed on the door and block his number. Let him sit in a crap hotel for a week and see how important necklaces and tailored books and texting younger women 24/7 are then.

Additionally I’m pretty sure HR would have some
concerns if it was raised to them that the nature of their relationship could be somewhat inappropriate given their focus should be on the children on their care. It all depends how nuclear you want to go.

But you can’t talk this one out, you’ve tried the talking and he’s not listening. He really isn’t thinking about all he could lose here. I think you need to remind him.

sending love

You can’t just change the locks - it’s his house too. And how do you know he’d be sitting in a hotel? ie might that not send him straight to the OW?
He definitely needs showing what he could lose, i agree with that.

letmehaveathink · 26/10/2025 08:05

MissDoubleU · 24/10/2025 15:25

Also just to throw fuel on the fire I am an overweight lady. Fat. Big ass. There, I said it. Am I the first fat woman my DH has been with? Yes, I think so. Does he absolutely love every single inch of me? Bet your skinny ass does.

So sick of this rhetoric “he only dated skinny girls so he can’t actually be attracted to her.” It doesn’t fly and it isn’t actually how attraction works. So he could never fancy a red head? Would you also say about a Black lady, or an Asian lady, that he couldn’t possibly like her, because “he’s only dated white girls in the past” ?

I mean, you might but it would be highly ignorant. Much like your skinny comment. Attraction is more than physical and much, much more than basic stereotypes.

I don't see the point of this post. Okay, your DH doesn't mind that you are fat? This doesn't mean that all men would fancy a fat woman. Absolutely nobody looks better when they are fat. And I say this as someone who really needs to lose weight!

This said, the "girl" doesn't sound fat. The word used was Curvy, which to my mind means big boobs. And in my lived experience, all men do love big boobs! I myself have very big boobs, and they can certainly make up for the fact that I could do with losing a few inches from my middle. Especially if you know how to dress the right way, to minimise one thing and promote another.

The necklace is the worst thing here imo. That's something a man should only ever buy for his partner. HUGE RED FLAG.

OF COURSE you should go through his phone. I'd be on that like a fly on shit. I did this with ExH when I suspected he was having an affair. I found all the evidence - he was shagging my best friend. I found all the texts talking about said shagging. Job done. Don't sleep walk through this Op.

VineandIvy · 26/10/2025 08:08

supersop60 · 26/10/2025 07:39

You can’t just change the locks - it’s his house too. And how do you know he’d be sitting in a hotel? ie might that not send him straight to the OW?
He definitely needs showing what he could lose, i agree with that.

I’m currently 7.5 months pregnant and own the house DH and I live In outright so this is probably a very hormonal based response of what I would do 😂

But in reality, he’s already heading into her arms/already there. Letting him be there without the illicit secret longing and thrill of it all, might just shed some cold hard light on the reality of the situation

Hanschristiananderson · 26/10/2025 08:21

Personally I suspect the affair is already physical. A man doesn’t buy a necklace for someone unless he’s quite invested.
I agree that a big shock is in order.

supersop60 · 26/10/2025 08:28

VineandIvy · 26/10/2025 08:08

I’m currently 7.5 months pregnant and own the house DH and I live In outright so this is probably a very hormonal based response of what I would do 😂

But in reality, he’s already heading into her arms/already there. Letting him be there without the illicit secret longing and thrill of it all, might just shed some cold hard light on the reality of the situation

Yes, that’s possible. He turns up with his bin bags and OW is like “WTF?”

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