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Something isn't right thread #2

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FourAndFive · 21/08/2025 11:18

Thanks so much for all your help and support. I can't believe the first thread is full - there isn’t a huge amount to update on right now, but I am looking forward to the future with my head held high, whatever the outcome. I'll keep posting.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/relationships/5391850-something-isnt-right-emotional-affair-or-just-friends?page=1

Something isn't right - emotional affair or just friends? | Mumsnet

Name changed for this. It's a bit of a blur, and long, apologies in advance. I need help and/or a slap to either wake me up to an emotional affair a...

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/relationships/5391850-something-isnt-right-emotional-affair-or-just-friends?page=1

OP posts:
Thewookiemustgo · 10/10/2025 14:48

“He knows what he has done, how it looked. I see him in pain, wanting the future to be okay for us but also wanting his hobby friend in his life, albeit under a totally different set of 'rules'.”
@FourAndFive my husband had an affair. It was full on, physical, so different to your husband. However, I believe that your husband has had an emotional affair with this woman, so to me at least, I feel there is a parallel.
Because I love my husband, even though he was a total shit at the time, his horror at himself and shame/ anguish at what he’d done afterwards, desperately wanting the whole episode to go away and desperately wanting us to be ok, I was moved and saw his pain, even in the middle of mine.
However, his pain, like your husband’s, was a self-inflicted choice and my pain, like yours, was at my spouse’s hands.
I had genuine compassion, but at the same time I was very much aware that he might use that in the same way he used my trust: to manipulate me and the situation.
We are still together, but had he even hinted that he wanted to remain friends with OW or continue to work at the same place, I’d have ended it. His word was worthless and only actions held any weight. It was a non-negotiable for me. Not because I thought if he stayed there or talked to her that it would start again, I’m wise enough to know that nothing would prevent that happening if he wanted to, but because at the time her being in our life or him wanting her in any possible way, was out of the question for me, forever.
He was different in that it was a no brainer for him, he wanted out of the affair himself and nothing more to do with her or any of it.
Until your husband accepts that his relationship with her was totally inappropriate and takes full responsibility for that, understanding that in the light of that, any more contact is totally unreasonable and unnecessary, he is not a safe partner for you. Until he demonstrates in words and deeds that to him, you are more important than her and the hobby, he is not a safe partner for you. Work this all out together, absolutely, if that’s what you want to do. It is possible if he does his work on it and shoulders the weight of the load he put on yours.
Just bear in mind that to me, his pain appears here as him wrestling with how to maintain what’s good for him, not wrestling with the shame of the impact the realisation of what he has done to you.
Until that changes, you need to be aware that the penny still hasn’t dropped and although you feel sorry for his pain, it is his to bear, work through and also to set aside, to help you heal from yours.

Noshadelamp · 10/10/2025 15:00

It must be hard to rationalise why he doesn't just do whatever he needs to in order to save the marriage.
We say things like
"a decent man would do this",
"if he loved me he would do this",
"if he understood he would do this"

So seeing as he's not doing it, we wonder why?
Is he decent, yes.
Does he love me, yes.
Oh it must be that he doesn't understand what he's doing then.
Or he's not himself.
Or it's MH.

Because how could it be anything else?

And it might be he doesn't understand, or his MH, but also, he might not be the man you once thought he was.

I guess only time will tell.

FourAndFive · 10/10/2025 15:17

@wrongthinker I know and of course, no offence taken, honestly Flowers

OP posts:
CelerySticker · 10/10/2025 15:22

I've thought about you a lot in recent weeks, and wanted you to know that I am quietly supporting you. You are handling this with so much dignity and deserve the best possible outcome for yourself.

HatandCoat · 10/10/2025 15:23

Tartanboots · 10/10/2025 13:17

It also did occur to me that they are not in contact with each other currently because they have been rumbled and are biding their time until you and H officially split up, at which point they can "go public" legitimately and blame you for it all.

A man who could hide a relationship from his wife for a year might be capable of that too.

Ceceprincess80 · 10/10/2025 15:40

This relationship is not ours, I think some people rush to be helpful and do not understand, without being in the relationship themselves, they are not experiencing what the OP is or the shared history and emotions that are at play.
I think people are genuinely gobsmacked at the OPs husband not seeing what he had done and the hurt he has caused to his wife and children plus extended family. That is his wake up call to have.
My husband and I have gone over many times what happened with his emotional affair, he wants to quietly move our but the readdressing and reflection is needed by me to heal. Its better now, much much better now. Others told me to leave as that is what those others thought was supportive. Im not saying either advice or any advice on this thread is right for the OP just them knowing collectively people care and will read their thoughts maybe enough

FourAndFive · 10/10/2025 16:21

OchreRaven · 10/10/2025 13:37

@FourAndFive i think you have handled all this with grace. Ignore people telling you you’re under reacting or being a fool. They don’t know your husband or you and the complexities of the situation.

From what you have said he knows he is in the wrong with how he approached the friendship and not being transparent. He claims that this is from naivety and not because he was doing anything wrong but he now accepts how that looked and understands why you were upset. To reconcile he’s agreed no longer to message her, to not go away with her, and not to do the hobby with her but doesn’t want to give up the hobby and knows he will come into contact with her and wants to remain on friendly terms so it’s not awkward?

If my understanding is correct none of that seems unreasonable. But is it that you don’t believe it was all innocent and that you want him to acknowledge his feelings towards her were not platonic? What are your expectations and what is it that you want from his behaviour going forward?

Edited

Nailed it again.

I don't need him to tell me it wasn't platonic - whether it was or not isn't going to change anything, or how I feel about it. My instinct is enough for that.

The length of time it was hidden, that bond over the hobby, the intensity, the gifts, her booking the trip, the lies, the half truths, her family, all of it - I need him to fully accept responsibility (naivety wont work long term) and agree that they cannot remain friends. Call it out for the damage its done, deal with it and be honest about it with her - only then can we move forward. That is what I need.

Someone else mentioned up thread... All I needed was for him to say, "I am so sorry, I really messed up, I have behaved really badly, of course I'll tell her we can't do the trip, and we can't do the hobby together anymore, I know how it looks - what was I thinking?!?!".

Him sort of saying that isn't good enough.

OP posts:
Thewookiemustgo · 10/10/2025 17:19

@FourAndFive I totally agree, sorry is never enough after this sort of thing and nor should it be, it needs full acknowledgement that what they did had a huge impact, understanding exactly what was wrong with what they did and exactly how it hurt you and why. And telling you, not just nodding along and agreeing with you.
Then backing up “it will never happen again” with concrete action, even at their own personal expense. Tough if he has to forfeit something he previously enjoyed.
My husband gave a lot up after his affair which, if he hadn’t had an affair, could have been brilliant for him. He’d still have been in that career environment now, probably.
He pooped on his own patch and peed on his own chips, absolutely knew it (he said as much when I told him what I needed from him) and gave it up without complaint or negotiation. He accepted that he had fucked it all up for himself, nobody else.
The reason your husband can’t contact her any more, speak to her any more or do his hobby with her (or go at all if she will be there and you so wish) is his own fault for allowing the relationship to become extremely inappropriate and he needs to see that.
I think you understand him and your situation perfectly and are handling it with dignity and courage.

JimmyGiraffe · 10/10/2025 17:34

Yes @Thewookiemustgo it must be what you described, and nothing less. Not a half-hearted/“the wife made me give it up” situation

Madchest · 10/10/2025 17:55

There is an excellent book called:

”How to help your spouse heal from your affair” by Linda McDonald (Marriage counsellor of 25 years) which outlines what needs to happen if rebuilding is to succeed from her experience with hundreds of couples. It worked for us. It’s a great framework and you might find it helpful to read yourself first. It applies to emotional affairs as much as physical.

Reebokker · 10/10/2025 22:27

FourAndFive · 10/10/2025 11:12

@wrongthinker he told me he was going to commit suicide and it did change the way I've chosen to deal with it. We're picking over that in therapy, as well as other things.

I am terrified of losing him, you are right - but also, not at all.

I know what I want, and I know things will come to a conclusion soon enough.

I'd be happy not to post until there is certainty.

(edit for typo)

Edited

Post whenever you feel like it OP, we’re here for you while you work things out in a way that feels right for you. you’ll get mixed responses in here, but hopefully some words of wisdom and support - also I’m sure this thread will be helping others going through similar. I hope things work out for the best, keep your boundaries strong

Secondstart1001 · 11/10/2025 04:20

I get what you are saying from your last post. I think most people’s outrage in this post is because your husband doesn’t deserve you. It’s unfair you have been wronged yet you still show him understanding and respect. This would be ok if he in turn showed you transparency to get closure. The more this goes on the more it will chip away at you. Trust me, the unanswered questions though you know the truth in your heart with drive you crazy. You won’t be the same person as you walk out of this storm.

As a divorced person with children I can tell you, it’s ok to keep into the good times, the family pictures ect. Those things don’t become a lie because the present situation has changed. But I think there needs to be a time where you accept he’s changed, his core values and all priorities have changed. And that you can’t do anything about the fundamental change in him.

. My ex was abusive and he also cheated on me with a work “ friend” who also baby sat our children. Honestly the amount of gaslighting I underwent. I became a size 4 at one point from the stress of it all. At some point as I’ve said upthread, you need to start choosing you. There is life after divorce. I’m happily with someone else now, someone that treats me less like the centre of their earth, not an option. But the damage is done for me. Although he hasn’t done anything do doubt him, I have a hyper vigilance about me. Sometimes it comes out in the relationship or sometimes I just sit with it alone. The longer you leave a dark light in your life, it does sadly become a bigger part of you.

Keyhooks · 11/10/2025 10:36

I feel very sorry for you OP because it is clear that your love for him is beyond the norm for many in happy marriages.

I thnk how he has behaved and what your children have been forced to witness is completely unforgivable.

Like lots on this thread, I think I definitely love my children more than my husband despite being happily married for decades.

I could never forgive his betrayal of the children and that they have clearly witnessed far too much.

I'm glad I don't.
I wouldn't want them to ever see that this atrocious behaviour is rewarded by a marriage continuing.

He is not a good man.
Good men don't exhibit such profound selfishness and lack of self control and force their children to witness months of upset.

Privately I fear that your children will judge you harshly as they grow up into adulthood, for tolerating such treatment from him.

Them being glad he is gone from the house is huge.

You and your children deserve so much better than this selfish pathetic excuse of a man.

Thewookiemustgo · 11/10/2025 11:24

@FourAndFive there is a lot of advice here on this thread and it is all worth consideration.
However only you know his character and whether this is a permanent change, or an uncharacteristic dark period in his life which he can turn around.
Only you know what you want to see from him to satisfy you that you can continue together.
Only you know that if what has happened has already caused irreparable damage or not.
We don’t know you, him or your marriage so we don’t get to judge you or your decisions, it would be unfair and unhelpful to you.
We all come from different situations and did different things in similar circumstances, some stayed, some left, but we all did what was right for us with different men to your husbands, in different lives, so our decisions were based on a different person and scenario. We shouldn’t project that onto you.
Use all the anecdotal evidence and advice you have here, but accept no judgements or warnings, nobody can really know what’s best for you, they can only relate what was best for them at the time so that you can see if it resonates with you or not.
Use the advice to help you handle your situation with your husband your way.
Anyone judging needs to realise they are doing so on only the information given here, which is no more than the tip of the iceberg of your history together and his true character.
Nobody is defined by one set of good things they did, discounting the bad, or one set of bad things they did, discounting the good.
We are the sum of all of it and true character often emerges, ironically, when we do something bad. When humans go wrong there are usually historical reasons (not excuses however) for why they acted as they did. We all have or will fuck up, or treat others badly to a greater or lesser degree. All of us.
Our true character lies not within the bad deed itself, nobody is completely good, but in what we do about it to put it right.
Hopefully he will unpick the lies he’s told himself and learn that hanging on to his current faulty beliefs around blame are costing him a loving, patient woman that he is very lucky to have.

anyolddinosaur · 11/10/2025 11:38

It's for OP to decide when to post and when she is content to stay in the marriage or not. She and her husband are in therapy and time will tell whether that can heal the rift or not. OchreRaison did a good post.

Madchest · 11/10/2025 12:03

Thewookiemustgo · 11/10/2025 11:24

@FourAndFive there is a lot of advice here on this thread and it is all worth consideration.
However only you know his character and whether this is a permanent change, or an uncharacteristic dark period in his life which he can turn around.
Only you know what you want to see from him to satisfy you that you can continue together.
Only you know that if what has happened has already caused irreparable damage or not.
We don’t know you, him or your marriage so we don’t get to judge you or your decisions, it would be unfair and unhelpful to you.
We all come from different situations and did different things in similar circumstances, some stayed, some left, but we all did what was right for us with different men to your husbands, in different lives, so our decisions were based on a different person and scenario. We shouldn’t project that onto you.
Use all the anecdotal evidence and advice you have here, but accept no judgements or warnings, nobody can really know what’s best for you, they can only relate what was best for them at the time so that you can see if it resonates with you or not.
Use the advice to help you handle your situation with your husband your way.
Anyone judging needs to realise they are doing so on only the information given here, which is no more than the tip of the iceberg of your history together and his true character.
Nobody is defined by one set of good things they did, discounting the bad, or one set of bad things they did, discounting the good.
We are the sum of all of it and true character often emerges, ironically, when we do something bad. When humans go wrong there are usually historical reasons (not excuses however) for why they acted as they did. We all have or will fuck up, or treat others badly to a greater or lesser degree. All of us.
Our true character lies not within the bad deed itself, nobody is completely good, but in what we do about it to put it right.
Hopefully he will unpick the lies he’s told himself and learn that hanging on to his current faulty beliefs around blame are costing him a loving, patient woman that he is very lucky to have.

100% agree with you and that’s why I recommended the book above. It’s about ‘rebuilding’ and what is required to build a new foundation of trust to sustain a healthy ‘new’ marriage after the emotional or physical transgression as per the experience of a marriage counsellor of 25 years experience. It’s robust but comprehensive - there are a number of criteria to be addressed and there is nowhere to hide. It’s all about patience, respect, compassion, accountability and transparency.

Secondstart1001 · 11/10/2025 12:34

I do have every sympathy with you @FourAndFive . You are taking responsibility for thinking of your kids and yoir husband. The only advice I have left to give is really explore and take the marriage counselling up a notch. I think things need to come to a head - everyone’s cards must be on the table. Your husband is being passive and unclear right now, the lines are blurred so I don’t blame you for not being able to make a decision

AbbotSade1985 · 11/10/2025 17:05

@FourAndFive I have been following this from the start and wanted to say that you have every right to take time and think. I truly admire that you’re approaching your marriage with care instead of reacting on impulse. It’s easy for others to suggestnyou end the marriage, but they aren’t living your life, raising your children, or holding your history.

Yes, what happened (whatever he had with this woman) hurts and shouldn’t be minimised, but if every marriage ended at the first serious wound, none of us would be married. Real commitment is tested in these situations, not in perfect ones. Infidelity and attraction are painful, but they can be worked through when there is real remorse and a willingness to rebuild. That said, if it turns out that you've had enough of waiting, you can leave at any time.

Fighting for your family doesn’t make you weak, but brave. You are not 'accepting' his actions, you’re giving him the opportunity to understand what he is/was about to lose.

And your children? They won’t lose respect for a mum who chose to fight for her marriage. Love isn’t disposable and marriage vows mean something, right? I say this as someone who is against marriage, but admire those who are willing to make such a commitment.

If you feel holding on for a little longer is what you need, then go for it. You can let go when/if you need to.

Encrochat · 12/10/2025 05:52

I imagine the hobby is hangliding.

Crikeyalmighty · 12/10/2025 18:53

@FourAndFive it’s very easy to say what people should do but harder to be in that position- the world and relationships are not black and white and some peoples emotional connection is deeper than others- some people are less black and white than others and peoples personal and financial situations are different - I had a friend that found it very easy to say bugger off in similar situation- however she had a housing association place solely in her name, was due to get good child maintanance and had a reasonably ok job too . it sounds cynical , but for many women these things matter as well .

all I will say Op is whatever you decide you retain the right to change your mind - wish you well x

Samsdat · 13/10/2025 13:58

OP, I have tremendous respect for the dignity with which you’ve handled this situation, and I have been in similar shoes, if more nebulous. Thank you for being so vulnerable and open. You are helping more people than just yourself.

I have a speculation about the hobby because I am familiar with a very addictive, all-consuming, somewhat culty athletic hobby in which men and women have close and frequent contact (and in which participants are frequently told, if your spouse doesn’t like it, that’s too bad, they’re obviously paranoid and jealous, get a new one!), and for which there are currently many gatherings and events, and if I am correct, it would absolutely be impossible for two participants to avoid seeing each other unless they switch organizations. I understand how challenging of a line this is to walk as a non-participating spouse, because the activity I’m thinking of actually is life-changing in good ways, if still addictive and culty.

I hope you find yourself on steady ground, regardless of what happens.

Encrochat · 13/10/2025 14:34

Padel

Madchest · 13/10/2025 15:00

Hyrox

Mix56 · 13/10/2025 15:02

Golf or Cycling

3luckystars · 13/10/2025 16:30

It’s either:
cross training or
morris dancing.

They are the 2 things I could well believe a person could act like this about.

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