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Has anyone successfully recovered from infidelity with couple’s therapy?

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TreadingTrepidatious · 17/07/2025 01:48

Infidelity was discovered within my marriage last night, and we have an appointment with a marriage counselor on the 24th (which feels like forever away!). Just wondering if it’s helped anyone to get their marriage back to a good place, and if you’d be willing to talk about the process. Thanks in advance

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Bloozie · 20/08/2025 17:01

They come across as a neurodiverse woman.

TreadingTrepidatious · 20/08/2025 17:38

Trolls trolls and more trolls

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daisychain01 · 20/08/2025 18:57

You mentioned that both you and your husband have had affairs before

and you also said you didnt mind that your husband had an affair.

so why all the angst this time round?

what a waste of energy.

TreadingTrepidatious · 20/08/2025 19:05

daisychain01 · 20/08/2025 18:57

You mentioned that both you and your husband have had affairs before

and you also said you didnt mind that your husband had an affair.

so why all the angst this time round?

what a waste of energy.

I said we were affair partners, not that we’ve had affairs ourselves before (this being my first and last)

I said I don’t require strict monogamy from DH.

Some of you need new eyeglasses or something

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BlankBlankBlank14 · 20/08/2025 19:06

TreadingTrepidatious · 20/08/2025 19:05

I said we were affair partners, not that we’ve had affairs ourselves before (this being my first and last)

I said I don’t require strict monogamy from DH.

Some of you need new eyeglasses or something

So you had an affair with your DH, you were in a relationship when you met him?

TreadingTrepidatious · 20/08/2025 19:08

BlankBlankBlank14 · 20/08/2025 19:06

So you had an affair with your DH, you were in a relationship when you met him?

No. Being an affair partner means that you’re having relations with a person who is committed to someone else and is cheating on them.

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BlankBlankBlank14 · 20/08/2025 19:11

TreadingTrepidatious · 20/08/2025 19:08

No. Being an affair partner means that you’re having relations with a person who is committed to someone else and is cheating on them.

So were you and DH each in a relationship when you met?

TreadingTrepidatious · 20/08/2025 19:13

BlankBlankBlank14 · 20/08/2025 19:11

So were you and DH each in a relationship when you met?

No. We were single when we met

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TreadingTrepidatious · 20/08/2025 19:35

@BlankBlankBlank14 let me put it this way. Person A is supposed to be monogamous with Person B. Person A is having an affair with Person C. Person C is Person A’s affair partner.

Both my husband and I have been Person C in the past, prior to meeting one another.

Does that make sense?

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daisychain01 · 20/08/2025 20:09

You have spent this entire thread dancing on the head of a pin, you've got a nerve saying I need glasses. Thankfully I'm not invested in your thread nor your convoluted life and thought patterns. You sound like a very tormented soul.

MaryONette · 20/08/2025 20:16

TreadingTrepidatious · 20/08/2025 19:05

I said we were affair partners, not that we’ve had affairs ourselves before (this being my first and last)

I said I don’t require strict monogamy from DH.

Some of you need new eyeglasses or something

What are your DH’s feelings about monogamy? You’ve mentioned more than once that you don’t expect it, but did he expect monogamy from you?

TreadingTrepidatious · 20/08/2025 20:25

daisychain01 · 20/08/2025 20:09

You have spent this entire thread dancing on the head of a pin, you've got a nerve saying I need glasses. Thankfully I'm not invested in your thread nor your convoluted life and thought patterns. You sound like a very tormented soul.

Ohh, so it’s not your eyes, then, but your reading comprehension skills? Sorry, my mistake

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TreadingTrepidatious · 20/08/2025 20:31

MaryONette · 20/08/2025 20:16

What are your DH’s feelings about monogamy? You’ve mentioned more than once that you don’t expect it, but did he expect monogamy from you?

Before the affair, he required romantic monogamy from me, but sometimes we would engage in sexual non-monogamous events together. I also had permission to have sex with women, and ONS with strange men who I would likely never interact with again (though I never wanted that nor took up him up on it)

Now… I think we are just being monogamous for the moment.

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daisychain01 · 20/08/2025 21:31

TreadingTrepidatious · 20/08/2025 20:25

Ohh, so it’s not your eyes, then, but your reading comprehension skills? Sorry, my mistake

My comprehension skills are fine. It's your self-absorption that's the problem. Sad.

TreadingTrepidatious · 20/08/2025 22:33

daisychain01 · 20/08/2025 21:31

My comprehension skills are fine. It's your self-absorption that's the problem. Sad.

I will continue to laugh at the fact that people are calling me self absorbed for answering questions they’ve asked, and for me not agreeing with them when they tell me I believe something that I don’t and I’ve repeatedly told them I don’t. H-I-L-A-R-I-O-U-s

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NaeRolls · 21/08/2025 08:04

TreadingTrepidatious · 19/08/2025 22:03

>Let’s break it down. For people who don’t value monogamy they normally make it clear early on- it is something they discuss because they know the standard model of relationships involves sexual exclusivity.
It seems you struggled to conceptualise your husband having a different view to you on this matter, and were very very surprised to find out how he really thinks.

I told DH from the beginning that I don’t require strict monogamy from him. We laid out our boundaries that we each felt comfortable with, and discussed them very thoroughly. We’ve updated them if we felt any differently or if they weren’t working for us… I knew when I was crossing a line, and that he would be “hurt.” I just didn’t understand exactly how severe that hurt would be, and that might be related to me not being able to imagine feeling that way if he did the same thing.

>Firstly, you have assumed that an AP is going to be satisfied with “Oh she doesn’t mind.” rather than seeing how that answer will lead to a much deeper conversation between your DH and an AP, and deepening their bond whilst you are out of their little circle of trust, and the downstream consequences on your marriage from that.

I think you keep viewing this from the lens of “oh they’re doing this sneaky thing together that Treading definitely does mind,” instead of starting from the point of me not minding. A) If I don’t mind, there’s no reason for it be a secret, B) if it’s not a secret, then it’s not an affair, and the extramarital partner (let’s call her that) isn’t an affair partner, C) it’s not really that deep of a conversation topic, and D) they’re not forming a “little circle of trust” as a result of a secret. They’re just shagging. DH struggles to even hold conversations with me; I doubt he’s going to be unusually chatty with an EP.

>The second part that you struggled to conceptualise was a situation where the trust be abused was over something you really do value Is there anything that would really hurt if your husband treated it shabbily behind your back? (ok, not sexual fidelity but you will know if there is something else: Money; your career; some possession?)

I just don’t think anything else really compares. There has to be a context for why he would be financially irresponsible, hurt my career (which would be extra dumb considering the benefits we get from my employment) or break something important to me… and even then it’s like, I can’t hold a grudge to save my life. There’s only a handful of things I might divorce over, and none of them seem anywhere near as insignificant as what would count as infidelity to me.

>I also think you have missed something about walking away, very often people walk away to be alone, but away from the person who has put them through this horrific experience. You assume he would only leave to set up a new home with a deeply nurtured someone else, but he may also leave to be alone- or demand that you leave, and be alone.

I did not assume he would only leave with someone else; I’m not sure where you picked that up from…There has to be a really compelling reason to walk away from the life we’ve built together, and to split up our family. We are both very much against that. Like I said, I knew that cheating on him would “hurt.” I didn’t think it would be something that hurt badly enough for him to exit the marriage. If him leaving over infidelity was a legitimate concern of mine, that’s something that would weigh a lot more heavily on the scale against getting my needs met through an affair.

'DH struggles to even hold conversations with me; I doubt he’s going to be unusually chatty with an EP.'

Has it always been this way? That must be awful - I know it would be for me. My marriage started with banter and intellectual conversations and we make time to walk together and talk and do date nights etc so that doesn't get lost. I couldn't live without it. Do you think this is something you and your husband could improve upon?

NaeRolls · 21/08/2025 08:23

TreadingTrepidatious · 17/07/2025 01:48

Infidelity was discovered within my marriage last night, and we have an appointment with a marriage counselor on the 24th (which feels like forever away!). Just wondering if it’s helped anyone to get their marriage back to a good place, and if you’d be willing to talk about the process. Thanks in advance

I think ultimately, despite all this analysis, whether the marriage will survive will depend on your husband. There's nothing you can really do except engage in whatever therapy you two have (and possibly therapy for yourself), do everything your husband needs you to do to help him heal and to regain his trust, and wait to see how your relationship goes from here. It could take a long time, or not.

Also I think the boundaries the two of you had before were quite blurry - extramarital sex was ok in this or that situation, but not others, etc. These blurry boundaries may be part of what led to this mess. Emotional and sexual monogamy is a clear line in the sand that prevents any grey areas and is easier to follow as there is no room for denial, justification, bargaining etc.

The fact is that we are all human. My husband and I both avoid close friendships with people of the opposite sex, out of respect for each other, not wanting the other one to worry, and because we know realistically that things can get complicated if clear boundaries are not set.

TreadingTrepidatious · 21/08/2025 13:20

NaeRolls · 21/08/2025 08:04

'DH struggles to even hold conversations with me; I doubt he’s going to be unusually chatty with an EP.'

Has it always been this way? That must be awful - I know it would be for me. My marriage started with banter and intellectual conversations and we make time to walk together and talk and do date nights etc so that doesn't get lost. I couldn't live without it. Do you think this is something you and your husband could improve upon?

We talked a lot more in the beginning, when we were getting to know each other. We do have good banter when we get up to it, but I really like to talk about deep things too— like controversial opinions,abstract concepts, hypotheticals, etc.

We’re trying to go on more dates, but we live pretty far away from our relatives and child minders are expensive, and often times we are busy. Though we have started going on walks, which has been really nice!

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TreadingTrepidatious · 21/08/2025 13:29

NaeRolls · 21/08/2025 08:23

I think ultimately, despite all this analysis, whether the marriage will survive will depend on your husband. There's nothing you can really do except engage in whatever therapy you two have (and possibly therapy for yourself), do everything your husband needs you to do to help him heal and to regain his trust, and wait to see how your relationship goes from here. It could take a long time, or not.

Also I think the boundaries the two of you had before were quite blurry - extramarital sex was ok in this or that situation, but not others, etc. These blurry boundaries may be part of what led to this mess. Emotional and sexual monogamy is a clear line in the sand that prevents any grey areas and is easier to follow as there is no room for denial, justification, bargaining etc.

The fact is that we are all human. My husband and I both avoid close friendships with people of the opposite sex, out of respect for each other, not wanting the other one to worry, and because we know realistically that things can get complicated if clear boundaries are not set.

Yeah, I’m hoping the therapy helps us figure out what he needs to help heal and regain trust. I’m willing to do it.

Like I said, we discussed our boundaries very thoroughly, and they were clear to me. The violation wasn’t an accident or a result of a misunderstanding; it was a choice, and the wrong one…I think it’s okay for me to have friends (and I’m bisexual, so it doesn’t really matter what gender they are) as long as I pay close attention to how I feel about them and respond appropriately as soon as I notice it’s starting to become more than platonic.

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Bittenonce · 21/08/2025 13:53

Well I have to say I’ve been transfixed by this one. Personally I have no problem with OPs communication style: The mix of emotional intensity and Mr Spock-like logic has been -interesting? But if she’d said at the outset ‘Im ADHD, ASD, bisexual, I love my DH with whom I have an ENM relationship, but this happened …..’ then would my responses have been different? I probably wouldn’t have engaged at all because I wouldn’t have seen any point of contact and our moral compasses would be pointing in very different directions. Maybe that’s been the whole point of the game? But it’s been fun

TreadingTrepidatious · 21/08/2025 16:45

Bittenonce · 21/08/2025 13:53

Well I have to say I’ve been transfixed by this one. Personally I have no problem with OPs communication style: The mix of emotional intensity and Mr Spock-like logic has been -interesting? But if she’d said at the outset ‘Im ADHD, ASD, bisexual, I love my DH with whom I have an ENM relationship, but this happened …..’ then would my responses have been different? I probably wouldn’t have engaged at all because I wouldn’t have seen any point of contact and our moral compasses would be pointing in very different directions. Maybe that’s been the whole point of the game? But it’s been fun

Are you insinuating that you think bisexuality and or ENMonogamy is immoral ?

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Bittenonce · 21/08/2025 22:09

TreadingTrepidatious · 21/08/2025 16:45

Are you insinuating that you think bisexuality and or ENMonogamy is immoral ?

Guess that ENM just doesn’t sit comfortably with my definition of commitment. As in ‘commitment to please myself’ isn’t really much of a commitment. If it floats your boat then so be it - it’s just a position I can’t really relate to. And, that being the case, I wouldn’t feel able to offer opinions on how to help someone in your situation.

TreadingTrepidatious · 21/08/2025 22:43

Bittenonce · 21/08/2025 22:09

Guess that ENM just doesn’t sit comfortably with my definition of commitment. As in ‘commitment to please myself’ isn’t really much of a commitment. If it floats your boat then so be it - it’s just a position I can’t really relate to. And, that being the case, I wouldn’t feel able to offer opinions on how to help someone in your situation.

The commitment is to operate within your partner’s communicated boundaries for acceptable behavior, regardless if you’re ENM or monogamous.

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Manova14 · 21/08/2025 23:53

Either this is a massive dripfeed (infidelity was discovered.... OK, it was I....but I had to! My partner wasn't giving me the right attention! I had no idea it would hurt my partner!..... even though we're ENM and I knew their boundaries around me shagging other people.....) or OP is making it up as he goes along.

TreadingTrepidatious · 21/08/2025 23:57

Manova14 · 21/08/2025 23:53

Either this is a massive dripfeed (infidelity was discovered.... OK, it was I....but I had to! My partner wasn't giving me the right attention! I had no idea it would hurt my partner!..... even though we're ENM and I knew their boundaries around me shagging other people.....) or OP is making it up as he goes along.

another troll ? Where did you get “but I had to!” from?

I said I knew it would “hurt.” I didn’t know to what extent, or the other consequences it would have (hit to DH’s confidence, take some sexual things off the table, ruin some of the compliments I usually give DH… I could go on. There’s a lot of heavy consequences)

I am a woman.

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