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Has anyone successfully recovered from infidelity with couple’s therapy?

612 replies

TreadingTrepidatious · 17/07/2025 01:48

Infidelity was discovered within my marriage last night, and we have an appointment with a marriage counselor on the 24th (which feels like forever away!). Just wondering if it’s helped anyone to get their marriage back to a good place, and if you’d be willing to talk about the process. Thanks in advance

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TreadingTrepidatious · 19/08/2025 20:50

Theoldbird · 19/08/2025 20:36

also, why is your husband encouraging you to engage with the AP by typing a 'hey'? What would be the point of that unless your dh wants you to get back in contact with this man? This is very odd to me.

AP sent the “hey” of his own accord last week. DH gave me permission to respond if I wanted to, but I decided it would be best not to.

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Theoldbird · 19/08/2025 20:53

TreadingTrepidatious · 19/08/2025 20:49

It’s moreso about whether your partner can, and is willing to, tick your boxes. If they can and they’re willing to, then the solution is to communicate your needs in order to get them met. If they don’t/cant/and or/won’t tick the boxes.. that’s when you should consider moving on, or whether you will choose to remain discontented.

Seems your dh wasn't willing to meet your needs for a very long time, until your affair was discovered? Why didn't you leave him? I don't think you should be making such sweeping statements as 'leave your partner if they don't meet your needs' If you actually don't live by them yourself.

Theoldbird · 19/08/2025 20:54

TreadingTrepidatious · 19/08/2025 20:50

AP sent the “hey” of his own accord last week. DH gave me permission to respond if I wanted to, but I decided it would be best not to.

So your husband is actually wanting you to engage with this man. Why on earth?

MaryONette · 19/08/2025 20:59

TreadingTrepidatious · 19/08/2025 20:20

Everybody likes feeling desireable. That’s normal, not “disgusting.” That doesn’t stop just because you enter into a relationship, although normally it changes into “I want to feel desired by my current partner.” (Which is what I wanted and wasn’t getting.)

I felt proud when my husband called me an “accomplished seductress,” and he was speaking generally, not specifically about the affair. I am not proud of the infidelity. You are not keeping the facts and the timeline straight, and I have a feeling you will continue to twist what I’m saying and accuse me of being inconsistent when really it’s just you misunderstanding me repeatedly, possibly intentionally. And then someone else will come along and tell me to stop being argumentative and that I’m just wrong about my own thoughts and narrative and narcissism blah blah blah

Again, AP had pursued me initially. He sought me out and sat with me and talked platonically for hours and hours at a time, and we eventually developed feelings for one another. If he had immediately jumped to sex talk, I would have turned him away. But it was a slow, insidious thing and by the time I realized I was developing feelings for him, I already had them, which made it hard to leave him behind.

It was me who steered the conversation into flirting after we parted ways in person, and eventually to sexting (though we continued to have conversations about non-sexual subjects too.) He was very excitable and engaged, showered me with compliments, and initiated often. That’s what made me feel desired, and what I wanted my husband to make me feel.

It was a really long and expensive journey to endure for a couple nights worth of sex, especially with a married person who might flake, so I understand why he might have been reluctant to come visit. I just wish he would have been honest about it instead of repeating that he was coming, while not giving me any information about his flight or anything.

You’re now saying he pursued you initially…but earlier you weren’t sure if it was a one-sided attraction:
The first two weeks of interacting with AP, we were in a professional setting, and the feelings were just developing. I wasn’t even sure if he felt the same way, or if I was just being conceited and imagining things.

But despite not knowing for sure if he felt the same, you “steered the conversation into flirting.” Who was pursuing who?

TreadingTrepidatious · 19/08/2025 21:04

DoRayMeMeMe · 19/08/2025 20:25

OP, I think you are going to struggle with the repair.

Loyalty has not entered the conversation yet, and I am really struggling to perceive you as someone for whom loyalty is a thing, much less a principle. How do you view yourself on this domain? Is loyalty something you value?

The other thing that strikes me is that you don’t value your marriage highly, you’re sort of OK with your spouse being sexually active with other people, but what about the conversations around his relationship that would entail “What about your wife?” and he answers “What about her?”. There is a level of denigration that is necessary to make space for an additional top-up relationship. What if he met someone for whom he was prepared to divorce you? That you would be OK with all this feels like someone rather easy-come-easy-go in terms of the relationship.
Again, you don’t really seem to have any principles around how you behave in a relationship.

The other thing is you are emotionally immature. If you copied your words into ChatGPT and asked for an evaluation of emotional immaturity I think you would be surprised at your score. As others have mentioned autism, I’d like to ask, do you have an autism diagnosis and if not has your therapist suggested this?

How can couples therapy be effective when you don’t really know how to be in a couple?

Perhaps your husband is equally emotionally immature and you can muddle through this, but either way your current mindset a “normal” marriage is simply out of the question.

Not requiring strict monogamy from your spouse doesn’t equate to not valuing your marriage. If DH was to sleep with someone else and they asked about me, I would expect him to simply explain that I don’t mind. No denigration required. If he’s doing it because he’s missing something from me, I would hope he comes to talk to me about it so we can explore whether I can provide that to him. (Or maybe I am providing it and he wants extra. Who knows)

I don’t worry about him leaving me for someone else. I know he loves me. We’re married. We have a family and a life together. It’s not so easy to walk away from all of that without intentionally and intensively nurturing another relationship, I would expect, for a long time.

Of course I have principles for how I’m meant to behaving in a relationship. I just recently violated some of them when I had an affair. They’re still there though, and I’m re-committed to adhering to them.

I think my husband and I are a highly effective and communicative couple, but we are not perfect. We have misunderstandings. But we work through things really well.

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TreadingTrepidatious · 19/08/2025 21:05

Theoldbird · 19/08/2025 20:53

Seems your dh wasn't willing to meet your needs for a very long time, until your affair was discovered? Why didn't you leave him? I don't think you should be making such sweeping statements as 'leave your partner if they don't meet your needs' If you actually don't live by them yourself.

You’re leaving out the entire rest of the initial response. Please go back and read

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Theoldbird · 19/08/2025 21:13

TreadingTrepidatious · 19/08/2025 21:05

You’re leaving out the entire rest of the initial response. Please go back and read

I have read all your posts. This bit doesn't add up.

Anyway, you must be absolutely exhausted having done nothing but engage with this thread all day. You really should take some time away from it and go and do something nice for you. Get some rest at least.

TreadingTrepidatious · 19/08/2025 21:18

MaryONette · 19/08/2025 20:59

You’re now saying he pursued you initially…but earlier you weren’t sure if it was a one-sided attraction:
The first two weeks of interacting with AP, we were in a professional setting, and the feelings were just developing. I wasn’t even sure if he felt the same way, or if I was just being conceited and imagining things.

But despite not knowing for sure if he felt the same, you “steered the conversation into flirting.” Who was pursuing who?

He did pursue me initially. Seeking someone out for hours-long conversations daily for almost 2 weeks is pursuit if I’ve ever seen it. While it was happening though, I thought that maybe he was just being “friendly” and liked to chat, and that any idea of mine that maybe he likes me was just me imagining things and being conceited… which of course gave me wiggle room to justify continuing to talk to him. There were, of course, other signs that he liked me, like him bringing me coffee and making efforts to keep my spirits up when things were stressful. He confirmed this later when I brought up not know knowing how he felt about me back then.

When we went to part ways, there was this moment where we just lingered, like we both had more to say and were thinking of how to prolong this. We exchanged numbers and hugged, and I saw relief in his face. We texted prolifically, and he said things like he wished I was still there with him… I started out with some low-risk, kind of ambiguous flirty texts, to see how he would respond, and he flirted back in kind. One morning I woke up to a “thinking of you” text from him, and that was when I was like, “Oh shit, I REALLY shouldn’t be doing this. How did I let it get to this point?”

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Girlmom35 · 19/08/2025 21:27

ThatCyanCat · 19/08/2025 07:09

Is this really how a couples therapist speaks to patients? Obviously cheating is a heartbreaking and destructive thing to do and amends should be made, but does an actual counsellor really say things like "You messed up. You get to be uncomfortable now...You're supposed to feel like shit now. You're supposed to be afraid. You're supposed to feel guilty."

It's the kind of thing a betrayed partner has the right to say. But an impartial third party who's trying to help the couple decide the way forward now? This is healing therapy speak?

I am not their therapist.

DoRayMeMeMe · 19/08/2025 21:36

TreadingTrepidatious · 19/08/2025 21:04

Not requiring strict monogamy from your spouse doesn’t equate to not valuing your marriage. If DH was to sleep with someone else and they asked about me, I would expect him to simply explain that I don’t mind. No denigration required. If he’s doing it because he’s missing something from me, I would hope he comes to talk to me about it so we can explore whether I can provide that to him. (Or maybe I am providing it and he wants extra. Who knows)

I don’t worry about him leaving me for someone else. I know he loves me. We’re married. We have a family and a life together. It’s not so easy to walk away from all of that without intentionally and intensively nurturing another relationship, I would expect, for a long time.

Of course I have principles for how I’m meant to behaving in a relationship. I just recently violated some of them when I had an affair. They’re still there though, and I’m re-committed to adhering to them.

I think my husband and I are a highly effective and communicative couple, but we are not perfect. We have misunderstandings. But we work through things really well.

Not requiring strict monogamy from your spouse doesn’t equate to not valuing your marriage. If DH was to sleep with someone else and they asked about me, I would expect him to simply explain that I don’t mind. No denigration required. If he’s doing it because he’s missing something from me, I would hope he comes to talk to me about it so we can explore whether I can provide that to him. (Or maybe I am providing it and he wants extra. Who knows)

I think this answer is another that causes people to think: Autism???
Let’s break it down. For people who don’t value monogamy they normally make it clear early on- it is something they discuss because they know the standard model of relationships involves sexual exclusivity.
It seems you struggled to conceptualise your husband having a different view to you on this matter, and were very very surprised to find out how he really thinks. I

There are two other parts to the response which demonstrate that you struggle to conceptualise what others might think. Firstly, you have assumed that an AP is going to be satisfied with “Oh she doesn’t mind.” rather than seeing how that answer will lead to a much deeper conversation between your DH and an AP, and deepening their bond whilst you are out of their little circle of trust, and the downstream consequences on your marriage from that.

The second part that you struggled to conceptualise was a situation where the trust be abused was over something you really do value Is there anything that would really hurt if your husband treated it shabbily behind your back? (ok, not sexual fidelity but you will know if there is something else: Money; your career; some possession?)

I also think you have missed something about walking away, very often people walk away to be alone, but away from the person who has put them through this horrific experience. You assume he would only leave to set up a new home with a deeply nurtured someone else, but he may also leave to be alone- or demand that you leave, and be alone.

Which brings us to the hot mess of what your principles might be. You say that monogamy is not that importabt to you- it isn’t a life principle. Which makes me ask: so which of you principles were you violating?

TreadingTrepidatious · 19/08/2025 22:03

DoRayMeMeMe · 19/08/2025 21:36

Not requiring strict monogamy from your spouse doesn’t equate to not valuing your marriage. If DH was to sleep with someone else and they asked about me, I would expect him to simply explain that I don’t mind. No denigration required. If he’s doing it because he’s missing something from me, I would hope he comes to talk to me about it so we can explore whether I can provide that to him. (Or maybe I am providing it and he wants extra. Who knows)

I think this answer is another that causes people to think: Autism???
Let’s break it down. For people who don’t value monogamy they normally make it clear early on- it is something they discuss because they know the standard model of relationships involves sexual exclusivity.
It seems you struggled to conceptualise your husband having a different view to you on this matter, and were very very surprised to find out how he really thinks. I

There are two other parts to the response which demonstrate that you struggle to conceptualise what others might think. Firstly, you have assumed that an AP is going to be satisfied with “Oh she doesn’t mind.” rather than seeing how that answer will lead to a much deeper conversation between your DH and an AP, and deepening their bond whilst you are out of their little circle of trust, and the downstream consequences on your marriage from that.

The second part that you struggled to conceptualise was a situation where the trust be abused was over something you really do value Is there anything that would really hurt if your husband treated it shabbily behind your back? (ok, not sexual fidelity but you will know if there is something else: Money; your career; some possession?)

I also think you have missed something about walking away, very often people walk away to be alone, but away from the person who has put them through this horrific experience. You assume he would only leave to set up a new home with a deeply nurtured someone else, but he may also leave to be alone- or demand that you leave, and be alone.

Which brings us to the hot mess of what your principles might be. You say that monogamy is not that importabt to you- it isn’t a life principle. Which makes me ask: so which of you principles were you violating?

>Let’s break it down. For people who don’t value monogamy they normally make it clear early on- it is something they discuss because they know the standard model of relationships involves sexual exclusivity.
It seems you struggled to conceptualise your husband having a different view to you on this matter, and were very very surprised to find out how he really thinks.

I told DH from the beginning that I don’t require strict monogamy from him. We laid out our boundaries that we each felt comfortable with, and discussed them very thoroughly. We’ve updated them if we felt any differently or if they weren’t working for us… I knew when I was crossing a line, and that he would be “hurt.” I just didn’t understand exactly how severe that hurt would be, and that might be related to me not being able to imagine feeling that way if he did the same thing.

>Firstly, you have assumed that an AP is going to be satisfied with “Oh she doesn’t mind.” rather than seeing how that answer will lead to a much deeper conversation between your DH and an AP, and deepening their bond whilst you are out of their little circle of trust, and the downstream consequences on your marriage from that.

I think you keep viewing this from the lens of “oh they’re doing this sneaky thing together that Treading definitely does mind,” instead of starting from the point of me not minding. A) If I don’t mind, there’s no reason for it be a secret, B) if it’s not a secret, then it’s not an affair, and the extramarital partner (let’s call her that) isn’t an affair partner, C) it’s not really that deep of a conversation topic, and D) they’re not forming a “little circle of trust” as a result of a secret. They’re just shagging. DH struggles to even hold conversations with me; I doubt he’s going to be unusually chatty with an EP.

>The second part that you struggled to conceptualise was a situation where the trust be abused was over something you really do value Is there anything that would really hurt if your husband treated it shabbily behind your back? (ok, not sexual fidelity but you will know if there is something else: Money; your career; some possession?)

I just don’t think anything else really compares. There has to be a context for why he would be financially irresponsible, hurt my career (which would be extra dumb considering the benefits we get from my employment) or break something important to me… and even then it’s like, I can’t hold a grudge to save my life. There’s only a handful of things I might divorce over, and none of them seem anywhere near as insignificant as what would count as infidelity to me.

>I also think you have missed something about walking away, very often people walk away to be alone, but away from the person who has put them through this horrific experience. You assume he would only leave to set up a new home with a deeply nurtured someone else, but he may also leave to be alone- or demand that you leave, and be alone.

I did not assume he would only leave with someone else; I’m not sure where you picked that up from…There has to be a really compelling reason to walk away from the life we’ve built together, and to split up our family. We are both very much against that. Like I said, I knew that cheating on him would “hurt.” I didn’t think it would be something that hurt badly enough for him to exit the marriage. If him leaving over infidelity was a legitimate concern of mine, that’s something that would weigh a lot more heavily on the scale against getting my needs met through an affair.

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Freeme31 · 19/08/2025 22:14

OP have you shown your husband this feed ? Perhaps you should it might open his eyes not just hearing your side but to see other perspectives on your adultery. You may be fearful of showing him (or knowing your level of wanting to control the narrative you may be too scared to- show him & see)

TreadingTrepidatious · 19/08/2025 22:16

Freeme31 · 19/08/2025 22:14

OP have you shown your husband this feed ? Perhaps you should it might open his eyes not just hearing your side but to see other perspectives on your adultery. You may be fearful of showing him (or knowing your level of wanting to control the narrative you may be too scared to- show him & see)

He would say “Why the hell are you spending so much time talking to these whack jobs?”

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Bittenonce · 19/08/2025 22:22

TreadingTrepidatious · 19/08/2025 22:16

He would say “Why the hell are you spending so much time talking to these whack jobs?”

That would actually be a very reasonable response! Most don’t understand how your head works - and certainly not how your marriage works. I really don’t think engaging is going to help you! Even your inner terrier must need a rest from it now

Freeme31 · 19/08/2025 22:32

TreadingTrepidatious · 19/08/2025 22:16

He would say “Why the hell are you spending so much time talking to these whack jobs?”

Stop being so cowardly and show him. Know you’d need to control and would be too frightened to show him. So predictable in having to be in control, typical coward. Have some guts & show him & for once let him hear other people’s opinions instead of your controlling narrative

TreadingTrepidatious · 19/08/2025 22:40

Freeme31 · 19/08/2025 22:32

Stop being so cowardly and show him. Know you’d need to control and would be too frightened to show him. So predictable in having to be in control, typical coward. Have some guts & show him & for once let him hear other people’s opinions instead of your controlling narrative

I could just tell you I did and you’d never know the difference. You realize that, right?

Either way. He would think you’re all nuts and be disappointed that I spent my time here. He’d be upset I wasted his time having him read this thread.

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WickerLove · 19/08/2025 22:58

@TreadingTrepidatious

How did your h discover your infedelity, I mean he doesn't sound the type to have been monitoring your devices etc, so...

How did the affair come to light ?

TreadingTrepidatious · 19/08/2025 23:25

WickerLove · 19/08/2025 22:58

@TreadingTrepidatious

How did your h discover your infedelity, I mean he doesn't sound the type to have been monitoring your devices etc, so...

How did the affair come to light ?

Okay, so this is really bad, but… He actually clocked it pretty much immediately when I got home because he felt something was “off” and he suspected I met someone. I didn’t have the courage to tell him the truth then; I thought I would just tell him half the truth (“I really connected with a friend while I was away and we spent a lot of time talking, and I’m just really missing that with you in our relationship”) and then I figured he would talk to me more, and that I would end it with AP and bury the real truth… but neither of those things happened. Like I mentioned, he withdrew, and then I took that as a sign that he didn’t want to talk to me, and then I went back to talking to AP.

I knew I couldn’t hide that I was texting someone, and DH has my phone passcode. But I figured it was okay for me to have a “friend,” so when AP would text me, I would leave our platonic messages on my phone and delete the flirty/sexual ones. I also knew that there was a deleted messages folder on my phone and that I should have cleared it regularly just to be safe, but some of the things AP was saying to me weren’t adding up, and I kept going back in to read them to make sure I wasn’t going crazy, and I didn’t end up deleting them permanently.

DH’s spidey senses were still tingling the whole time, because I was still acting off, and there were a couple times I woke up looking kind of panicked and trying to find my phone, since I was having nightmares about him finding out. And though he looked at the messages I’d left un-deleted, he thought the number didn’t add up to the number of times he’d seen me texting.

So late one night he started googling how to search your partner’s phone if you suspect they’re cheating, and a Reddit post told him about the deleted messages folder. So at 3am he screen shotted several sexual messages and ones talking about meeting up that weekend, and sent them to himself in case I tried to deny it.

Then he woke me up at 5 am and while I was still half out of it, he told me he knew. I was kind of glad he did that, because I was too sleepy to come up with any more lies (not that I’m sure I would have) and just admitted everything.

I didn’t originally ask how he found out because I didn’t want to be better able to avoid detection in the future, but later in the day I used his phone and saw the screenshot he’d sent himself. Of course I deleted them, because I didn’t want him to have those in case he decided to at-fault divorce me and take away the DC, and then I went to check his search history on all his devices to make sure he wasn’t looking for legal advice or other signs that he was planning on leaving me. That’s when I saw what he’d looked up overnight, and about 20 different searches with AP’s name.

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Manova14 · 19/08/2025 23:28

Allthegoodonesareg0ne · 19/08/2025 14:39

Part of the recovery process is to repair first. Your needs have to come second until he feels safe and secure.
Any book you read on affair recovery will tell you this. You're less than a month in and and already you've stepped out of an opportunity to connect as a family on a holiday - I get it's not one you wanted to go on but it's a clear message to him that he still isn't a priority for you.
I'm not suggesting you have to do everything he asks, grovel to him until he reaches forgiveness but he comes first for now if you really want to repair things.
Once he's over the shock and and has had a chance to really gather his thoughts (that'll take a few months at least) then you can start building the foundations of your new marriage taking into account what both of you want and need.
Right now you need to accept that you ended the marriage you had. He is devastatingly hurt and needs to be cared for. Your job right now is to hold space for his pain, sit through it with him, listen to him and answer his questions. Show him you are 100% there for him. It's not the time for you to be making demands about what you need. It'll sound like 'if you don't do these things for me I'll do it again '

OP, this is what you need to understand if you want your marriage to survive this event.

Subwaystop · 19/08/2025 23:52

Op is it possible that after reading too many affairs stories on mumsnet you’ve just been dying to have your own and you’re living this up like you’re the star of some thrilling show? I am not saying that’s the case, I’m asking. You seem to have some kind of strange obsession with the drama of this whole thing.

TreadingTrepidatious · 19/08/2025 23:55

Subwaystop · 19/08/2025 23:52

Op is it possible that after reading too many affairs stories on mumsnet you’ve just been dying to have your own and you’re living this up like you’re the star of some thrilling show? I am not saying that’s the case, I’m asking. You seem to have some kind of strange obsession with the drama of this whole thing.

I think I might be trying to process it myself

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Subwaystop · 19/08/2025 23:59

Got it. How do you feel about people reading you as on the spectrum?

TreadingTrepidatious · 20/08/2025 00:01

Subwaystop · 19/08/2025 23:59

Got it. How do you feel about people reading you as on the spectrum?

They’re probably right. I have an ADHD diagnosis but I think it’s probably AuDHD

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Subwaystop · 20/08/2025 00:14

Yeah that does make sense to me. You seem to have a very unusual way of communicating and thinking about relationships.

Manova14 · 20/08/2025 00:25

I still firmly believe this is a man posting.

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