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Husband putting pressure on having children yet has no plan

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Shs726 · 15/07/2025 21:19

We have been together 8 years and married for 3. No children.

Age. I am 33 and DH 43

When we first met, we discussed children. He told me he did want children but only after marriage. I told him I’m not totally against having children but I’m not fussed if I didn’t have any. I also stated, if I did, I only wanted one.

We didn’t live together whilst we dated. Our plan was that we would buy a house together and live there once married.
I already owned a house which I was renting out. He was living at his parent’s spare home. As we set our wedding date and look at houses to buy, he changed his mind.

He wanted to buy a property on his own name with his own money as a safety net because he claimed I already had my own safety net. (Even though I purchased my house before ever meeting him).

When he was looking for a place, he found a one bedroom flat in London. I did advise him at the time, maybe look for something bigger or just on the outskirts of London. Again, he was adamant the place be in London as my property is in London and he wants the same safety net/investment. And that his plan was we would live in it for 4/5 years, then he’ll rent it out and we could purchase our forever house. At the time, I did question him how was all this possible?

I remember we sat down and went through our finances and put everything on a spreadsheet. We spent hours on this. We came up with a plan. That he would overpay his mortgage (as he was lucky to get really low interest rate). And utilise the rest of our savings. Afterr getting married we would continue to save and keep our outgoings low.

We got married. I moved into flat. Although I don’t pay towards the mortgage (as the flat is his investment) , I do pay for other bills and all our holidays. I also don’t ask him for any money and pay for my own upkeep. (Our finances are separate). Also the property I already own, I continue to overpay the mortgage and also pay for any maintenance/costs associated with the house.

Now I do earn a decent wage and also have passive income. Due to that, after bills and costs, I do save around £4K a month towards getting our next house. In the 3 years we have been married, my husband has not overpaid any of his mortgage as agreed. Nor has he made any substantial savings. Which is surprising, as after bills, he should have quite a bit left over. (He also earns decent).
Also I’m very hands on at home. I do all the cooking and most of the chores. I also work more hours than him at work. Average 50/55hrs a week in comparison to his 35hr week. I also have to do night shifts every other week. He doesn’t.

In regard to having kids, we’ve had this discussion many times. Where I’ve said, I’m not raising a family in one bedroom flat. And also I would have to go part time, so naturally would take a significant pay cut. Plus costs would go up as there would be a child.
So we agreed on 2 years time we would try for a baby and only have one child. We planned in two years time, we would have saved enough (tbh 95% of the savings come from me and I earn more than husband), and hopefully some of my investments would come through in order to purchase our next house. He’s also very adamant the house be in London.

Out of nowhere, he’s now putting pressure on me to have a baby now as he’s not going to wait. He also wants multiple children. He basically said if I didn’t, we should separate. I agreed, that we should separate. I wasn’t going to cave into his ultimatum and didn’t appreciate the aggressive tone he was speaking to me.

Then he tried to argue. I said be realistic, how are we going to raise a family in a one bedroom?

He tells me the world manages so will we. When I ask him but what’s the plan?
He has no answer other than “we’ll manage”.

When I remind him, it was him who made the choice of getting a one bedroom, he made the choice of not getting a house together years ago, he made the choice of living in London, and he’s the one who didn’t save towards our future house as planned, so what exactly is “we’ll manage”. And I reminded him why did he wait years to propose then? Why did he wait until his 40s to get married and now panicking he’ll be an old dad. Why not get married in his 20s or 30s?

His reaction: get angry and swear. Rather than own his actions and decisions he made.

As I know the burden will fall on me. I also remind him once the baby is here, I won’t be able to pay as much towards the bills nor save as my salary will drop plus baby costs. He says he’ll pay for me and the child. But I don’t believe him, as he barely manages to save now despite me contributing a lot.

Then he start comparing me to his friends wives. Saying XYZ wife don’t work, they have 6 kids. Another XYZ wife she doesn’t work, they have 2 kids they manage, so why can’t we?

It’s frustrating that he’s dismissed everything I have done for this marriage. And also saving for a bigger house to raise a family that ultimately is his dream more than mine.

Finally I said it’s hurtful that he’s known me for 8 years and dismissed everything I’ve done and how I’ve supported his goals. But I’m not going to be bullied into having a child now when we agreed 2027 we would try for a baby. And if we need to part ways then so be it. He can find someone else and start his family.

Hours later, he apologised and hugged me. But I feel so different towards him now. I’m also now convinced if we were to have children, the burden of most of the childcare would fall on me. And I’m sure if I stopped contributing financially/saving, he’d still have a problem with me.

Where to go from this?

OP posts:
Wallywobbles · 16/07/2025 06:56

He apologized because he actually knows he’s won the lottery with you and he wants to keep you sweet so you allow him to go on being a lazy useless leeching fuck. Please leave him and go on to have an awesome life with this lead ball holding you back. Having a child with him is a guarantee of being attached to him to life. You only get one life don’t give it to him.

Bertielong3 · 16/07/2025 06:57

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RedRock41 · 16/07/2025 06:57

he’ll compare me to his friends wives. They are great women and I appreciate raising a family isn’t easy and they are amazing mothers. I have a lot of respect for them. But I’m not them? I made it clear from the start, I wasn’t super maternal and wasn’t fussed about kids. And the wives he compares me to, don’t work and their husband’s provide for them. So why isn’t he comparing himself to his friends who are the sole breadwinners? I also ensure I cook for him. I keep the house clean. I do the “domesticated” duties. I invite his family and friends over and host dinner parties. I also get my husband with gifts regularly. I try make him happy

That’s a helluva lot of giving and effort your side OP… plus working 15-20 hours more than him in an average week. What gifts and efforts does he put in that are above bare minimum to in turn meet your needs and make you happy? If little, inclined to say throw this one back. You’re young, smart, self sufficient and atm have no real ties. Your 50 year old self living your best life might thank you for it.

MeTooOverHere · 16/07/2025 06:58

EternalLodga · 15/07/2025 21:27

I'm on DPs side here. If he were a woman, we would be telling him he doesn't have too much time to waste. Men can technically continue having kids later, but their energy levels flag as women's do, and older fathers have been linked to other issues.

I find it sad that so much emphasis here is put on investments and properties and rigid timelines. Who cares about having a kid in a one bed? You have three properties between you for God's sake, if it became unbearable you would just sell one or multiple of your properties and upsize.

So what if you had to go part time and it hampered your income? You're putting 4K into savings every month (!).

You've been tigether for a years, he's been clear he wanted kids from the start. Hes bought a property the way he said he would. He is probably torn between loving you and also realising that he may have wasted some important years with someone who might not ultimately be able to give him what he wants.

Its great you have your head screwed on and are financially literate but I would say there's something a little soulless and rigid about how you are handling all this. If you didnt really want kids, and if now you dont want kids without some convoluted financial infrastructure in place, then cut him free

She didn't want any kids. He wanted only one. Now he wants multiple kids.🚩

She has been putting in the hard yards to build a financially stable future. He has not, except when he could yoke her into building HIS asset base. 🚩 He wanted the expensive property option and surprise surprise, she has been funding it.

Nope. He has wants, not plans. He has friends who can do what he can't, and he's jealous. And NOW having proved he can't manage money nor make financially sensible decisions, he wants her to give up and start making kids with him and rely on him to provide.🚩 Nope.

ClaredeBear · 16/07/2025 07:01

A split sounds inevitable. You need to leave now because the longer you’re with him, the more you save, the more of your money he’ll want in the settlement.

Thedevilhasfinallycaughtupwithhim · 16/07/2025 07:03

The most unhappy women I know are the women who have had children with men who never did their fair share. You’re young and financially secure. You don’t have to stay in this marriage. You deserve to be happy without being forced to be someone else’s housemaid and breeding machine.

Slightyamusedandsilly · 16/07/2025 07:04

Wallywobbles · 16/07/2025 06:56

He apologized because he actually knows he’s won the lottery with you and he wants to keep you sweet so you allow him to go on being a lazy useless leeching fuck. Please leave him and go on to have an awesome life with this lead ball holding you back. Having a child with him is a guarantee of being attached to him to life. You only get one life don’t give it to him.

Definitely. Imagine where he'd have been right now if it wasn't for you?

No flat (he only bought it to compete with you).
No 3 holidays a year.
Yes, a flash car, but one he can't afford.
No money. All frittered away.

He's on to a very good thing. And he's incapable of adulting.

orangegato · 16/07/2025 07:07

Fuck sake don’t breed with this weirdo and be tied to him for eternity. You sound like a smart woman, what are you thinking?!!!!

TomatoSandwiches · 16/07/2025 07:08

Shs726 · 16/07/2025 03:31

Tbh I did get the impression that he tries to compete with me. But then I didn’t let the thought dominate my mind as I didn’t want any negative feelings. From his desire to all of a sudden have his own investment property to remarks he makes about my salary and how easy I have life.

I work so many hours as I’m trying to earn as much so we can achieve the dreams of 1) getting a bigger place quicker.

I also do more chores at home as in all honestly I’ve just become defeated. For long time, I wasn’t happy with how I was doing most of the chores. It led to many repetitive arguments. Ultimately, I gave up. Tbh to him, he has improved a lot compared to the start. Before he rarely did any chores. Now he does more but not anywhere near 50/50. I just accepted I’ll have to do more chores for the sake of keeping a peaceful marriage.

but in all honestly, no matter how much I try or sacrifices I make, it seems like he always has something to use against me. Some problem he will have against me. Something he’ll find.

At the start, it was buying property we live in. He wouldn’t listen to my advice that buying 1 bedroom flat isn’t a long term plan unless he has another back up. That caused drama at the time. Which we eventually resolved by coming up with a plan. (Which he didn’t stick to anyway).

Then there was the case of chores. Ultimately I accepted he’s began to do more and it’s better than before and for the sake of peace… just let it be.

Then there was the case of talking about how his other friends do so much holidays and how he really needs one. So I start working extra hours to save more towards holidays without jeopardising house saving goals. (During which time, I would work 72hrs a week). Again, I start planning 2-3 holidays a year. Not cheap holidays too.

He throws subtle hints about wanting a new car. Personally, I think it’s silly to buy a new car when he barely drives (1-2k miles a year) and we already have two cars between us. One day I confronted him that why would you want a new car when I thought plan was to save towards our house? His answer was “I’m not asking you to pay for it”. But he misses the point, that the money whether he or I spend on a new car could go towards our house? Especially as we dont need a car and there’s nothing wrong with the ones we have.
Also, I still drive my 15 year old car because it does the job. But again I said it’s up to him. As I don’t want drama.

Then he’ll compare me to his friends wives. They are great women and I appreciate raising a family isn’t easy and they are amazing mothers. I have a lot of respect for them. But I’m not them? I made it clear from the start, I wasn’t super maternal and wasn’t fussed about kids. And the wives he compares me to, don’t work and their husband’s provide for them. So why isn’t he comparing himself to his friends who are the sole breadwinners? I also ensure I cook for him. I keep the house clean. I do the “domesticated” duties. I invite his family and friends over and host dinner parties. I also get my husband with gifts regularly. I try make him happy.

but he always finds something.
now all a sudden wanting multiple kids now and giving me an ultimatum.

im just tired of it all. I’m also curious why he later apologised.

This man doesnt even like you o! He IS competing with you but he can't keep up so he is using you, using all your resources, stop giving this man holidays and thinking about a new car for him, no, no, no!
Leave, please leave him, you are a mature and intelligent woman who is financially literate and savvy ( apart from marrying the wrong man ) please put yourself first, this man doesnt deserve a good wife or children, dont give them to him.

FlatErica · 16/07/2025 07:08

Leave him, and enjoy your life.

MeTooOverHere · 16/07/2025 07:11

Gabitule · 15/07/2025 22:52

I’m surprised by these replies. I’m sure replies would be different if OP and partner’s roles were reversed.

How much do you pay to live in his flat? You say that you don’t pay towards his mortgage because it’s his flat, but living in his flat allows you to rent out your house and keep the income for yourself. The amount you should pay to live in his flat is 50% of the rental value of the flat + half of the bills.

You are upset that he didn’t buy a bigger place. Perhaps he couldn’t afford one. You are upset that he wanted to buy his own place instead of buying a family home with you. I can understand why, he also wanted his security as you seem quite ‘preoccupied’ with money… Why did you marry someone who had less than you and who wasn’t very good wirh money when this is clearly important to you? I think you also said something about him not giving you any money (not as a criticism but as a fact). But why would he, you save £4k a month!

You say that you can’t move into your own home because it’s BTL and tenanted. You could change the mortgage and by the time you get pregnant and have a baby rhe tenancy agreement will expire…Surely you can see that this is just an excuse.

You seem to want a baby as some sort of compromise at a specific time and when specific criteria has been met, instead of a way to create a loving family. He’s obviously older than you and perhaps he thinks that the baby may not come as soon as you start trying. What happens if you can’t get pregnant for a while? He may be 50 by the time you have the baby. What happens if, once you have a baby, you are so smitten that you’ll want 2 more, but you will be too old by then.
What happens if in 2 years time you’ll decide that your DH hasn’t reached the required standards (set unilaterally by you) and therefore you’re not willing to have a baby. It’s extremely rare for me to side with a man, but I do on this occasion because I think you’re being unfair and you’re allowing the anxiety you seem to have around money to blind you to what’s fair and what isn’t.
Yes, he obviously isn’t as good as handling money as you are. He isn’t as workaholic as you. But he did manage to buy a flat, and he does pay the mortgage, and he pays for his own upkeep ;)!

You have 2 properties between the 2 of you and you probably have a large amount of savings. He isn’t getting any younger. I think he is very reasonable in asking you to consider having a child sooner. I bet that if you were to sit down and calculate how this could work out (eg you move into your home and work PT, he rents out his flat and contributes more to the family costs) you’d find that you’d be ok financially. I think your anxiety is unjustified. Your reasons for not wanting a child (now) may be different than the reasons you are giving yourself. And I think he senses that… I feel a bit sorry for the guy

He's not holding up his side of the deals, he's moving goal posts and clearly knows nothing about saving. He's basically got her yoked to him to help him leverage up his assets.🚩

TimeForABreak4 · 16/07/2025 07:13

You do more hours, the bulk of the housework, all the saving and have the most sensible views on things. If you aren't that bothered about having children, I'd absolutely end it and move on. Your life is not going to be fun with him demanding he wants multiple children in a one bed flat, when he doesn't even save, trying to support you all. If you are not bothered about children, absolutely do not be forced in to having multiple! I think you'd be better off out this relationship. What are even his good points?

EnterFunnyNameHere · 16/07/2025 07:21

So you do the bulk of the housework etc in his house. He doesnt do a fair split of domestic labour and never has. He doesn't keep his promises. You have separate finances. You are not fussed on having kids. He approaches the conversation like a child himself rather than like an adult.

Why are you with him? And why even contemplate having a child you don't actively want when you have so much proof he won't step up?

Genevieva · 16/07/2025 07:26

You are both at fault because you are both too busy trying to protect your separate investments and incomes. Being married and having children is about sacrificing personal interest for the greater good of the whole. In all honestly, you should probably never have married. He wants children (plural) and you aren’t bothered but maybe want one, but only if everything is perfect first. Lots of people become parents then sort out living arrangements as their children grow. If this has any chance of working you need to be willing to pool assets and have one of you work part time / have a career break, while the other prioritises being a parent, or you need to spend a lot of money on childcare.

DorothyStorm · 16/07/2025 07:28

ClaredeBear · 16/07/2025 07:01

A split sounds inevitable. You need to leave now because the longer you’re with him, the more you save, the more of your money he’ll want in the settlement.

This. Stop building up assets for him to take. He isnt a team player. He doesnt add value to your life.

thepariscrimefiles · 16/07/2025 07:28

Shs726 · 16/07/2025 00:26

To look after the child. We both couldn’t work full time and raise a baby at the same time. One of us would have to go part time (even for a bit) and most likely it’ll be me. I’m also open to the idea that I work FT and he goes PT; but I doubt he’d like that.

Edited

If he is the one who is desperate to be a dad, why wouldn't he want that? Or does he just love the idea of being a dad but expects you to be the one to make all the financial and career related sacrifices? To be honest, he sounds like an entitled dickhead.

GeorgeMichaelsCat · 16/07/2025 07:32

Where's all his money going then? If he should have lots left over after bills etc.

User37482 · 16/07/2025 07:35

I don’t think you can trust him as far as you can throw him tbh. You sound like you have your head screwed on. He didn’t want your name on the flat, fine but then all other bills should be 50/50 and chores should be 50/50. If he’s not doing his bit at home now even though he works less hours he’s definitely not going to be pitching in when it comes to children. He would also definitely expect you to use your savings to fund maternity etc. when thats run down he’s complain you aren’t working enough.

DO NOT HAVE A CHILD WITH THIS MAN.

Tbh you sound sensible, but honestly just leave.

OrangeAndPistachio · 16/07/2025 07:35

I'm struggling to see what he brings to your relationship op. If it's that he's nice , well most people are nice when they get everything they want. You've had a taste of how he flips when he's told no. The way people behave when they don't get the answer they want is very telling of their motivation and general attitude.

RedRock41 · 16/07/2025 07:37

You are both at fault because you are both too busy trying to protect your separate investments and incomes.

Bit unfair on OP. She was willing to co-invest in a family home. It was DH who decided it was about me not us. OP has kept up her side of the bargain saving each month also. What’s his is his, what’s hers is his too it seems, at least in part, in his mind. 🚩

Glowingup · 16/07/2025 07:43

thepariscrimefiles · 16/07/2025 07:28

If he is the one who is desperate to be a dad, why wouldn't he want that? Or does he just love the idea of being a dad but expects you to be the one to make all the financial and career related sacrifices? To be honest, he sounds like an entitled dickhead.

Yes, this. He wants the status of being a dad, just like his friends with the trophy wives. He doesn’t want to do any of the work involved in being a parent and will expect the OP to do all of that while also keeping the family afloat financially. See also the insistence on being in London. He has probably now insisted on “multiple” children because it will tie the OP to him more and make her less likely to leave. Basically he knows she’s way too good for him so he wants to dull her shine, wear her down and compete with her. He clearly resents her - so many women end up with men who resent them or even hate them.

Nodlikeyouwerelistening · 16/07/2025 07:43

To be perfectly frank I’m just hearing a relationship that is dead in the water.
Three of the biggest causes of relationship breakdowns are the decision to have children (and how many) ✅ money/finances ✅ decisions on where to live ✅

I’d also throw in that there is clearly resentment coming from your direction, but an ultimatum from him suggests that he also resents you.

I really can’t see there’s any coming back from all this and don’t get a sense you even want to. I get the vibe you’re looking for permission to divorce but mumsnet can’t give you that and you don’t need any permission anyway.

Plenty of couples keep finances completely separate for many reasons, but IME this is usually when people have decided not to either marry, have children, or when people are a bit older (usually previously divorced) with more individual assets and the relationship is more about companionship than having any children of their own. Marriage legally binds you financially, which obviously benefits those who have children far more given the financial hit of raising children. You’ve been together a long time, married 3 years and talked about having children yet you seem to live as total individuals, not like people with any shared visions of the future and being a single family unit.

Asparagusandpotatoes · 16/07/2025 07:47

His ‘plan’ is that you do everything.

Jump ship you don’t have the same values.

usedtobeaylis · 16/07/2025 07:52

I don't agree with the person who said he's being reasonable wanting a child sooner, in the sense that he's now pressuring you. You made a plan for a reason - a plan which fell on you to both instigate and implement, and he's done almost nothing to uphold his side of that. You can't trust him and his variation of 'it'll work out' is pie in the sky. I don't see the point of making a whole new plan, again instigated and implemented by you, only for him to again not keep up his end, and with a baby in tow.

In five years time you'd be on here talking about your lazy, selfish husband and everyone will be telling you should have left at THIS POINT.

NoSoapJustUseShowerGel · 16/07/2025 07:52

Do not bring a child into this relationship! It’s doomed. You’re incompatible, he feels he can lay down ultimatums and can’t be trusted to sticks to what he says about finances and planning.