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Husband putting pressure on having children yet has no plan

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Shs726 · 15/07/2025 21:19

We have been together 8 years and married for 3. No children.

Age. I am 33 and DH 43

When we first met, we discussed children. He told me he did want children but only after marriage. I told him I’m not totally against having children but I’m not fussed if I didn’t have any. I also stated, if I did, I only wanted one.

We didn’t live together whilst we dated. Our plan was that we would buy a house together and live there once married.
I already owned a house which I was renting out. He was living at his parent’s spare home. As we set our wedding date and look at houses to buy, he changed his mind.

He wanted to buy a property on his own name with his own money as a safety net because he claimed I already had my own safety net. (Even though I purchased my house before ever meeting him).

When he was looking for a place, he found a one bedroom flat in London. I did advise him at the time, maybe look for something bigger or just on the outskirts of London. Again, he was adamant the place be in London as my property is in London and he wants the same safety net/investment. And that his plan was we would live in it for 4/5 years, then he’ll rent it out and we could purchase our forever house. At the time, I did question him how was all this possible?

I remember we sat down and went through our finances and put everything on a spreadsheet. We spent hours on this. We came up with a plan. That he would overpay his mortgage (as he was lucky to get really low interest rate). And utilise the rest of our savings. Afterr getting married we would continue to save and keep our outgoings low.

We got married. I moved into flat. Although I don’t pay towards the mortgage (as the flat is his investment) , I do pay for other bills and all our holidays. I also don’t ask him for any money and pay for my own upkeep. (Our finances are separate). Also the property I already own, I continue to overpay the mortgage and also pay for any maintenance/costs associated with the house.

Now I do earn a decent wage and also have passive income. Due to that, after bills and costs, I do save around £4K a month towards getting our next house. In the 3 years we have been married, my husband has not overpaid any of his mortgage as agreed. Nor has he made any substantial savings. Which is surprising, as after bills, he should have quite a bit left over. (He also earns decent).
Also I’m very hands on at home. I do all the cooking and most of the chores. I also work more hours than him at work. Average 50/55hrs a week in comparison to his 35hr week. I also have to do night shifts every other week. He doesn’t.

In regard to having kids, we’ve had this discussion many times. Where I’ve said, I’m not raising a family in one bedroom flat. And also I would have to go part time, so naturally would take a significant pay cut. Plus costs would go up as there would be a child.
So we agreed on 2 years time we would try for a baby and only have one child. We planned in two years time, we would have saved enough (tbh 95% of the savings come from me and I earn more than husband), and hopefully some of my investments would come through in order to purchase our next house. He’s also very adamant the house be in London.

Out of nowhere, he’s now putting pressure on me to have a baby now as he’s not going to wait. He also wants multiple children. He basically said if I didn’t, we should separate. I agreed, that we should separate. I wasn’t going to cave into his ultimatum and didn’t appreciate the aggressive tone he was speaking to me.

Then he tried to argue. I said be realistic, how are we going to raise a family in a one bedroom?

He tells me the world manages so will we. When I ask him but what’s the plan?
He has no answer other than “we’ll manage”.

When I remind him, it was him who made the choice of getting a one bedroom, he made the choice of not getting a house together years ago, he made the choice of living in London, and he’s the one who didn’t save towards our future house as planned, so what exactly is “we’ll manage”. And I reminded him why did he wait years to propose then? Why did he wait until his 40s to get married and now panicking he’ll be an old dad. Why not get married in his 20s or 30s?

His reaction: get angry and swear. Rather than own his actions and decisions he made.

As I know the burden will fall on me. I also remind him once the baby is here, I won’t be able to pay as much towards the bills nor save as my salary will drop plus baby costs. He says he’ll pay for me and the child. But I don’t believe him, as he barely manages to save now despite me contributing a lot.

Then he start comparing me to his friends wives. Saying XYZ wife don’t work, they have 6 kids. Another XYZ wife she doesn’t work, they have 2 kids they manage, so why can’t we?

It’s frustrating that he’s dismissed everything I have done for this marriage. And also saving for a bigger house to raise a family that ultimately is his dream more than mine.

Finally I said it’s hurtful that he’s known me for 8 years and dismissed everything I’ve done and how I’ve supported his goals. But I’m not going to be bullied into having a child now when we agreed 2027 we would try for a baby. And if we need to part ways then so be it. He can find someone else and start his family.

Hours later, he apologised and hugged me. But I feel so different towards him now. I’m also now convinced if we were to have children, the burden of most of the childcare would fall on me. And I’m sure if I stopped contributing financially/saving, he’d still have a problem with me.

Where to go from this?

OP posts:
Wessexfuntime · 15/07/2025 22:40

Gosh, get out of that marriage and do not get pregnant whatever you do.

Alwayslurkingsometimesposting · 15/07/2025 22:45

So sorry you're in this situation OP. You sound like a real catch and you're still quite young so you can start again and meet someone better if you do divorce him. I agree with everyone else that having kids with him would be a big mistake.

CanOfMangoTango · 15/07/2025 22:48

Agree with everyone else.

"We'll manage" means I couldn't be less interested in making it happen so I'll leave it to you and you will sort it.

Whether you can cope with a man so patently unsuited to family life I don't know. Your choice. But if I were you I'd be noping the hell out of there.

moose62 · 15/07/2025 22:51

So you work roughly 15 hours a week more than him, save more than him, earn more than him, do all the cooking and more than 50% of the chores.....what does he bring to the party?
If you get pregnant now, will he change and step up to the plate when you are not earning?
Unless you are desperate for a child, I wouldn't go there with him. Consider your options and perhaps use some of your savings to move our and rent somewhere for a few months away from him and see how you feel.

Sodthesystem · 15/07/2025 22:52

Tiswa · 15/07/2025 21:21

Leave

Like, yesterday.

He's vile. Get out of there. He's trying to babytrap you.

Gabitule · 15/07/2025 22:52

I’m surprised by these replies. I’m sure replies would be different if OP and partner’s roles were reversed.

How much do you pay to live in his flat? You say that you don’t pay towards his mortgage because it’s his flat, but living in his flat allows you to rent out your house and keep the income for yourself. The amount you should pay to live in his flat is 50% of the rental value of the flat + half of the bills.

You are upset that he didn’t buy a bigger place. Perhaps he couldn’t afford one. You are upset that he wanted to buy his own place instead of buying a family home with you. I can understand why, he also wanted his security as you seem quite ‘preoccupied’ with money… Why did you marry someone who had less than you and who wasn’t very good wirh money when this is clearly important to you? I think you also said something about him not giving you any money (not as a criticism but as a fact). But why would he, you save £4k a month!

You say that you can’t move into your own home because it’s BTL and tenanted. You could change the mortgage and by the time you get pregnant and have a baby rhe tenancy agreement will expire…Surely you can see that this is just an excuse.

You seem to want a baby as some sort of compromise at a specific time and when specific criteria has been met, instead of a way to create a loving family. He’s obviously older than you and perhaps he thinks that the baby may not come as soon as you start trying. What happens if you can’t get pregnant for a while? He may be 50 by the time you have the baby. What happens if, once you have a baby, you are so smitten that you’ll want 2 more, but you will be too old by then.
What happens if in 2 years time you’ll decide that your DH hasn’t reached the required standards (set unilaterally by you) and therefore you’re not willing to have a baby. It’s extremely rare for me to side with a man, but I do on this occasion because I think you’re being unfair and you’re allowing the anxiety you seem to have around money to blind you to what’s fair and what isn’t.
Yes, he obviously isn’t as good as handling money as you are. He isn’t as workaholic as you. But he did manage to buy a flat, and he does pay the mortgage, and he pays for his own upkeep ;)!

You have 2 properties between the 2 of you and you probably have a large amount of savings. He isn’t getting any younger. I think he is very reasonable in asking you to consider having a child sooner. I bet that if you were to sit down and calculate how this could work out (eg you move into your home and work PT, he rents out his flat and contributes more to the family costs) you’d find that you’d be ok financially. I think your anxiety is unjustified. Your reasons for not wanting a child (now) may be different than the reasons you are giving yourself. And I think he senses that… I feel a bit sorry for the guy

myplace · 15/07/2025 22:55

EternalLodga · 15/07/2025 21:27

I'm on DPs side here. If he were a woman, we would be telling him he doesn't have too much time to waste. Men can technically continue having kids later, but their energy levels flag as women's do, and older fathers have been linked to other issues.

I find it sad that so much emphasis here is put on investments and properties and rigid timelines. Who cares about having a kid in a one bed? You have three properties between you for God's sake, if it became unbearable you would just sell one or multiple of your properties and upsize.

So what if you had to go part time and it hampered your income? You're putting 4K into savings every month (!).

You've been tigether for a years, he's been clear he wanted kids from the start. Hes bought a property the way he said he would. He is probably torn between loving you and also realising that he may have wasted some important years with someone who might not ultimately be able to give him what he wants.

Its great you have your head screwed on and are financially literate but I would say there's something a little soulless and rigid about how you are handling all this. If you didnt really want kids, and if now you dont want kids without some convoluted financial infrastructure in place, then cut him free

But he didn’t do what he needed to do. They could have had dc years ago but he wanted to have his own property first, like OP.

He hasn’t bothered to save. Why should OP do all the planning, make all the compromises, and do the hardest most dangerous bit if he doesn’t try and do his bit?

MyWarmOchreHare · 15/07/2025 22:56

And also I would have to go part time, so naturally would take a significant pay cut

Why would you have to do this?

Sodthesystem · 15/07/2025 22:59

Well don't feel sorry for the guy pp. Because he can't keep his promises, keeps moving the goalposts, doesnt do his share in the home and even compared op unfavourably with other women. And also giving his game plan away whilst doing so btw (telling you the other women don't work. Which is what he wants for you).

He's got 'abuser in the making' written all over him.

It was evident even from before the marriage. Making the whole who owns what thing a weird competition. Incapable of having his partner have more than him. Small man syndrome and mysoginy.

And he's dropping his mask now. See it for what it is. Run fast and run far. Do not have sex with this man again. I wouldn't even put it past him not to sabotage your birth control.

OrangeAndPistachio · 15/07/2025 22:59

@MyWarmOchreHare presumably because she works very long hours that probably wouldn't be sustainable with a child to care for. Part time to her might be 30 hrs pw for example. I'm sure she'll clarify but that was my understanding.

Slightyamusedandsilly · 15/07/2025 23:03

EternalLodga · 15/07/2025 21:27

I'm on DPs side here. If he were a woman, we would be telling him he doesn't have too much time to waste. Men can technically continue having kids later, but their energy levels flag as women's do, and older fathers have been linked to other issues.

I find it sad that so much emphasis here is put on investments and properties and rigid timelines. Who cares about having a kid in a one bed? You have three properties between you for God's sake, if it became unbearable you would just sell one or multiple of your properties and upsize.

So what if you had to go part time and it hampered your income? You're putting 4K into savings every month (!).

You've been tigether for a years, he's been clear he wanted kids from the start. Hes bought a property the way he said he would. He is probably torn between loving you and also realising that he may have wasted some important years with someone who might not ultimately be able to give him what he wants.

Its great you have your head screwed on and are financially literate but I would say there's something a little soulless and rigid about how you are handling all this. If you didnt really want kids, and if now you dont want kids without some convoluted financial infrastructure in place, then cut him free

No, if he's so desperate to be a father he needs to man up and plan for the child he wants. He owns a 1 bed flat. She owns a house. They were supposed to be saving for a big enough home for them. She did far more than her share of the saving. He's been pissing his money up the wall.

Children are expensive. He is a man in his 40s. It's time he took responsibility if he thinks he's mature enough to bring a child into the world.

allthemiddlechildrenoftheworld · 15/07/2025 23:05

@Shs726 he seems to have made all the major decisions, completely ignoring your arguments against them and now he is realising that you might have actually been making the right choices after all. he has been an idiot and is expecting you to rectify the matter immediately by giving him his children who will, of course. be looked after by you and funded by you even though you have halved your hours. what has been doing with his money if he hasnt been overpaying his mortgage??

timbitstimbytes · 15/07/2025 23:05

Oh dear, you can infer what he thinks of you by his actions when he bought the flat for himself to even things up and make things, to his mind, fair. He didn’t think
of your wants and needs and now he’s
changed his mind, he still isn’t considering you. Sadly this won’t change. He doesn’t see you as a life partner. He seems to see you as competition.

If you do go ahead and have a child with
him expect “we’ll manage” to look like you paying for everything, living in a one bed flat where he wants to be and if he doesn’t step up now, when it’s just the two of you, well, leapards don’t change their spots. If you are feeling resentful now, fast forward 2 years and imagine him out in London with his mates and you at home late at night trying to sooth a baby in this flat that you are
not invested in, either financially
or emotionally.

The fact that he seems to compare himself to friends without ever giving thought to how much his life will have to structurally and financially change with the space you live in, what you spend your time doing and where
ypur money will go, well he’s deluded if I’m generous.

Make no mistake when he says we’ll figure it out he means you will figure it out.

I agree with the other poster though, that timelines, money etc are far too prioritized here but are revealing of both of you. In an ideal world you would both be in, 100%
committed and want to build a beautiful family with someone you love and who loves
you with all your heart. This all sounds so transactional. Sorry, OP.

Fedupandstressed · 15/07/2025 23:08

Slobberchops1 · 15/07/2025 21:24

Well, you can say bye to your house when you u divorce

Married for only 3 years. Short marriage and they will probably be able to part with what they came in with.

Flossflower · 15/07/2025 23:13

I don’t think this relationship is going anywhere. I would not like to be compared with other women. He hasn’t saved and he clearly isn’t going to step up if you are pregnant. The only reason he apologised is that you have a few trump cards. If you become pregnant you will not have those.

Franjipanl8r · 15/07/2025 23:14

Also I’m very hands on at home. I do all the cooking and most of the chores.

Why on earth do you do that, are you his maid? Get him in the bin and find someone else who respects you.

Dunnowotot · 15/07/2025 23:14

He's trying to trap you. Don't have a baby you don't even really want. You'll end up doing it all, home and financially and the goal posts keep on moving. He is not a man of his word.

Flossflower · 15/07/2025 23:15

I can tell you from personal experience that living in a one bedroom flat in London with a child is shit. We only did it for a year before we moved into a house outside of London.

Shs726 · 15/07/2025 23:16

Gabitule · 15/07/2025 22:52

I’m surprised by these replies. I’m sure replies would be different if OP and partner’s roles were reversed.

How much do you pay to live in his flat? You say that you don’t pay towards his mortgage because it’s his flat, but living in his flat allows you to rent out your house and keep the income for yourself. The amount you should pay to live in his flat is 50% of the rental value of the flat + half of the bills.

You are upset that he didn’t buy a bigger place. Perhaps he couldn’t afford one. You are upset that he wanted to buy his own place instead of buying a family home with you. I can understand why, he also wanted his security as you seem quite ‘preoccupied’ with money… Why did you marry someone who had less than you and who wasn’t very good wirh money when this is clearly important to you? I think you also said something about him not giving you any money (not as a criticism but as a fact). But why would he, you save £4k a month!

You say that you can’t move into your own home because it’s BTL and tenanted. You could change the mortgage and by the time you get pregnant and have a baby rhe tenancy agreement will expire…Surely you can see that this is just an excuse.

You seem to want a baby as some sort of compromise at a specific time and when specific criteria has been met, instead of a way to create a loving family. He’s obviously older than you and perhaps he thinks that the baby may not come as soon as you start trying. What happens if you can’t get pregnant for a while? He may be 50 by the time you have the baby. What happens if, once you have a baby, you are so smitten that you’ll want 2 more, but you will be too old by then.
What happens if in 2 years time you’ll decide that your DH hasn’t reached the required standards (set unilaterally by you) and therefore you’re not willing to have a baby. It’s extremely rare for me to side with a man, but I do on this occasion because I think you’re being unfair and you’re allowing the anxiety you seem to have around money to blind you to what’s fair and what isn’t.
Yes, he obviously isn’t as good as handling money as you are. He isn’t as workaholic as you. But he did manage to buy a flat, and he does pay the mortgage, and he pays for his own upkeep ;)!

You have 2 properties between the 2 of you and you probably have a large amount of savings. He isn’t getting any younger. I think he is very reasonable in asking you to consider having a child sooner. I bet that if you were to sit down and calculate how this could work out (eg you move into your home and work PT, he rents out his flat and contributes more to the family costs) you’d find that you’d be ok financially. I think your anxiety is unjustified. Your reasons for not wanting a child (now) may be different than the reasons you are giving yourself. And I think he senses that… I feel a bit sorry for the guy

I don’t pay towards his flat because that’s the decision he made. Just like he doesn’t pay towards my mortgage. He wanted to buy the flat as his investment; and for us to live there for couple of years. I offered to buy a house with him and go half, he wasn’t interested. He clearly stated he wanted an investment property as I already had one for myself. (A property I purchased before meeting my husband).

I also pay half the service charge . I pay 100% for all our holidays, water bill and groceries. I also do majority of the savings to purchase our next house. Which would be both ours. Not majority mine. So no he doesn’t pay for all his upkeep ;)

I already stated, I was already renting my place. I’ve been renting it since 2018. So no, I didn’t need to live in his flat to rent out my investment property.

I wasn’t complaining that he didn’t give me money. My point was, I do not put any financial pressure on him as I sort myself out. So how is he going to manage paying for me and a baby, if he already can’t now?
I save £4K for the house to raise a family that he wants. I’m not spending it purely on myself.

I am not upset he didn’t get a bigger place. My point was if he was determined on wanting multiple kids and raise a family, why buy a one bedroom flat? And if that was his investment plan, why didn’t he stick to other plans on overpaying the mortgage or saving more? As that was what was agreed before we got married.

OP posts:
LemondrizzleShark · 15/07/2025 23:21

MyWarmOchreHare · 15/07/2025 22:56

And also I would have to go part time, so naturally would take a significant pay cut

Why would you have to do this?

Because this prince is clearly not going to do any childcare?

Loubles123 · 15/07/2025 23:33

I wasn't hugely fussed about having any children until I met my husband. He did issue an ultimatum before we got engaged, and the reason I agreed to it was that we agreed to only have one, and I genuinely felt like I wouldn't end up doing everything on my own.
Is childcare split 50/50? Absolutely not, but it is as reasonable as we can make it, and I went in knowing that.
It sounds like you know full well how it would go if you did have a baby, and that's not what you signed up for. (I also went back to work full time, so that's always an option).
Obvs I adore my daughter and wouldn't have my life any other way.

Gymnopedie · 15/07/2025 23:37

He seems to be calling all the shots while you're saving to provide all the money. I wonder why children are suddenly so important. Any chance he's trying to trap you/tie you to him? All those wives of friends who are SAHMs to six children would find it very very difficult to leave, however miserable the marriage.

I would be very wary. And double up on your contraception (fgs don't rely on him using condoms).

Sodthesystem · 15/07/2025 23:45

I'm sure seeing it in black and white now you've written it all down is pretty sobering op. He's not nice. The bare minimum a partner should be is a nice person.

It's 2025 and you're doing everything in the home. That's not going to get better with a child. He's also dropping hints about his friends pregnant wives not working.

Would give me the fear!

Nanny0gg · 15/07/2025 23:46

Slowdownyouredoingfine · 15/07/2025 22:39

Why on earth has he complicated everything so much? If you want to stay married and if YOU want a baby, sell both your flats, buy a house and live your life. Having all this disposable income and bringing up a family in a 1 bed flat is INSANITY.

I don't see any love at all in this marriage. It's been cold and clinical from the start and this change of mind isn't changing anything else

See a solicitor

Epli · 15/07/2025 23:48

The whole situation is concerning. You say that a child is more of his dream than yours, yet it seems that you're going to take on the majoroty of financial burden to provide a suitable house, the a financial hit because you expect to go part-time and then, since he's not doing any chores already it's obvious you will be doing majority of childcare & housework.
I feel you are setting yourself up for life of resentment. Children are super demanding, I have one and second coming very shortly and yes, I do think they are the best thing that happened to me but I can't imagine doing it without a person equally invested in shared vision of the future as well as doing their fair share of housework and childcare (and my child is healthy and very unlikely to have any learning difficulties from what we can tell).