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YourBrickTiger · 15/07/2025 14:23

Hi - I am just hoping for a little help here...haven't been through a situation like I'm currently experiencing and it's very painful to the point of making me sick.

If I can kindly ask that no one advises against workplace romances, as I work with several couples, some of whom are married and even one who is divorced. I know a lot of people in my place of work who met here and are now married and still working together. So I thought it was ok for me too.

I don't have a support system. My parents have both passed away and friends that I do have keep everything at a surface level, which has made me unable to discuss this, therefore I apologise in advance for the length. I can't face anymore harsh criticism, so if you don't have time to read this as I understand it is very long, or you are critical of me, please be kind. I'm blaming myself enough.

I met a man, a colleague who I really liked, about 8 years ago, admired from afar as he was married and never gave it much thought other than I thought he was a really nice decent man. A few years after we started working together, he told me that his second marriage was on the rocks and that he felt unlovable. I told him that I thought he was very lovable and made a joke that if I'd marry him if they were to split. Again, didn't pay it too much mind and thought nothing would ever happen, went about my life. Another few years passed without incident.

As Covid was coming to an end, and with his marriage over, we had been getting on very well at work and one night out of the blue, he rang me and we talked for 5 hours about everything and anything. I had been single for a long time after an abusive relationship with a man from outside the UK who just disappeared on me one night after living together for almost a year. At this point, I hadn't had a relationship in 11 years and wasn't looking but I was really really drawn to this guy at work. We had a lovely conversation but again, nothing much to report afterward.

A couple of months later, I plucked up the courage to ask him if he'd like to have another phonecall (facetime). We were essential workers and still in the cloud of the pandemic so thought this was the best approach. I wasn't prepared for his response. At this point he was 49 years old, he stood up, started to rub his chest, said 'oh God no no...oh no...this is making me really uncomfortable...' and left the room. I had rehearsed this in my head all day waiting for the right moment and this happened. I was completely mortified, hurt and eventually went home and beat myself up for not being cool enough or maybe even good enough for him. When I woke up the next morning he had called me three times and sent me messages to see if I was ok. I texted back how shocked I was and how I had obviously misread the signals, but told him he was someone I had grown to like very much and that it wasn't my intention to upset or scare him. When I got back to work a few days later, he'd stopped speaking to me.

This went on for a couple of weeks so I just kept my head down and got on with it. Another two weeks passed and all of a sudden, he was trying to make me laugh again, which he always could. I was relieved he seemed ok, but just left him to it. We started to get on better, and for his 50th I bought him a silly gift, no one else in his life seemed to make an effort, so I wanted to do something for him. On one of our dates he told me that his friends dog had used it as a chew toy. (It was a bottle opener made from wood).

We would be here all year if I told you the full story but although he and his wife didn't divorce, they separated, and he said he wanted nothing to do with women for a year. This to me was fine and healthy but he made a huge announcement to me about it. Feeling it safe, I said 'well if after that year is up, would you like to have a coffee with me?' and he said 'yes...I will have a think about that'.

No more than 2 weeks passed, when we were alone and he asked me out. I was elated! We set a date and he was calling me and texting me in the build up to it. All his nerves seemed to have gone. He sent me photos of himself, went through my socials and complimented me on my photos. He even sent me a few intimate pics. In work that day he kissed me for the first time.

We had arranged for him to come to my home, as I knew him so well this wasn't an issue and we were going to have a few drinks. I made a real effort, scrubbed the house until it was shining, and made myself look really nice, I thought. He arrived at the time we arranged. We sat down for our first drink and he immediately started to become nervous again. He admitted to being nervous and I just soothed him, telling him to relax, it was just me etc...but he said 'no no I have to leave'. He was only with me despite the massive build up for 5 minutes. I was completely and totally distraught and thought it must be something to do with my looks, or weight etc. I'm not stick thin and quite curvy but he had been paying me so many compliments I thought he was attracted.

I had the awful situation of having to face him again in work but I just tried to walk past him with a brief hello. It was agonising - he did attempt a short apology but in his words it was 'sorry about everything I just got all'...and made this funny noise that you would make as if you were shivering or something.

I had developed feelings by this point but just had to try to get on with it. I was hit with various other awful things like him accusing me of stalking one of his exes. He blew up at me in work as I had clicked on her profile when she came up as a friend suggestion. It was genuine. She is friends with my cousin and I have family in the area he is from. He defriended me from facebook as I had clicked 'like' on this ladies nails, and then once I realised who she was I unliked it. Thinking no harm done, but he found out. He was SO angry with me. It crushed me that he had deleted me and when I tried to explain the family connection, he put his hand up in front of me and said 'I don't want to hear it'. When I said 'Please let me explain!' he shouted 'F* off' at me infront of my colleagues.

There is a lot of other stuff that has happened but that Christmas he approached me again after he started talking to me again and we slept together. He told me he knew how much I had fallen for him and that he just needed time as he admitted he didn't know what he was doing with his life. I told him to take all the time he needed. A few days later, he stopped speaking to me again. He approached me for another date which I agreed to and at the time he was due to meet me, he cancelled, saying he wasn't quite ready.

Then he came round again - this time my idea I admit it as I couldn't let him go. We became more involved and he came to my home, asked to see my family albums, made me promises about holidays, the future, said I didn't have to be concerned about money anymore (I'm very independent so it isn't a money issue anyway but was nice to have support). We were close, talking on the phone, being intimate, he even said 'imagine how everyone in work will feel when they find out we've been together for like 8 months' or something..! He told me he wanted me to meet his family, and let me facetime with his sister. It was clear she knew who I was and paid me lots of compliments, telling me she only wanted him to be happy. I said I would never hurt him and would always try to make him happy. He told his sister that I would do anything for him and he told me he felt I was his soulmate. He told other people (who told me) that he had told them he knew I had fallen for him and that I was a lovely girl who would make a wonderful wife.

On the day we were due to meet his family, his whole demeanour changed. We woke up and even his facial expressions were different. He said 'I have to go now' and when I enquired about the family he said 'we'll do it another time'. He assured me he wasn't coming back but I didn't hear from him for 5 days. He sent a text to say he wanted to be alone, he didn't love me, he knew I loved him, that all it was was 'sex and a drink', and that he knew I'd react badly and he had to go because I was stressing him out.

I totally and completely fell apart but managed to sort of hold it together at work. Despite his text, a month later he approached me again, asking for another chance and when I asked him why he had told me he didn't want me, his explanation was that he had just freaked out because he knew I had such deep feelings. Of course I agreed. Nearly as soon as I agreed, he turned cold. Despite the fact we'd made a date, he became cold with me. When I asked him why, he said 'I'm not going back there, I can't do it'.

This was the only time that I visibly cracked at work. Someone saw me crying and told my colleague who told him. He became so so angry with me that he arranged a meeting with me and my boss in which he said in front of my boss 'I did not make love to you - I f*** you'. My boss said nothing. He told me he could 'get any girl in a bar and take her home' and told me that I had caused him a total nightmare.

I took some time off work and when I returned I didn't go near him. But apparently made one fatal mistake. I borrowed his coffee cup. One day when I forgot my own, I used his. Washed it thoroughly and put it back. He found out about this too because someone started to tease him about me using it and he apparently laughed. But with me it was a different story. He took the cup home and said 'I don't like anyone using my stuff'. Despite having been in my home etc.

For the next month he stopped talking to me and texted my colleagues to say things like 'Tell her I'm hiding in the toilets' or 'has she gone yet?'. I was so devastated because all I had done was borrowed a cup. I hadn't bothered him, begged him, stalked him, annoyed him, nothing at all. I had left him alone. I begged my boss to talk to him, to get him to stop and he said he would not speak to him, but would keep an eye on it. It continued for over a month with no help until I begged my boss. I was so humiliated and because of this, decided to move to a different department.

On the day that I moved, the guy was coming out of the department I work in. I don't know why he was there but he shouted 'Good luck in the new job!' at me and walked on. I have rarely seen him since but if I do bump into him he is very nice, talkative wants to show me pictures on his phone etc. I do not understand this behaviour. He was hiding from me, but now he's being nice?

Because of everything that has happened, I have become a shell of myself. I work alone now, with very little interaction with anyone, I've isolated myself and feel like everyone hates me or doesn't want me around. He has remained in his position, which I guess is down to me as I didn't make a fuss as I would never have wanted him to be hurt. So I've carried it all. I felt I had up to a point a good relationship with my former boss but he didn't speak out for me or help me with some of the language that was used, the hiding in the toilets and the silent treatment that the guy inflicted in work. I've heard rumours of being called names like Baby Reindeer which I never was. I never stalked him, called him repeatedly, went to his home, didn't do anything harmful to him at all. He said that 'you went about it all the wrong way'. I have never asked a guy out before so that was a huge knock.

His kids don't talk to him anymore and I had hoped he would be able to reconcile whatever happened with my help but it's never happened. He told me his ex wife has turned them against him.

I've come away thinking that I'm a freak, that there is something the matter with me because I fell for someone who I genuinely liked. It is killing me, I've had to have therapy but nothing is convincing me that I didn't cause this by loving him and by believing he was just scared and giving so many chances. There are days I just don't cope at all, then days I really do, and days I really miss him so so much. I believed he was a different man, I still do believe he's lost and afraid but I don't know why he had to do this to someone who had been so kind to him and loving for so long, even when we weren't together. My fear is now that I'm no good for anyone and never will be. I'm 49 now and can't get past it. No matter what I try to do it's like a black cloud hanging over me. I really doubt myself now, all my interactions with people and fear because I'm not picture perfect, or picture thin that this happened to me due to that. To me he is very handsome, so maybe that's it? I am so scared for my future now, and my health is declining. I didn't know it was such a crime to be in love but if someone does hide from me in the bathroom, it surely means I'm repulsive? Out of everything I had shared with him and everything he knew, the hiding is probably the worst. I have thought of ending my life because if I am that bad what is the point, but I am trying to believe that maybe this isn't my fault? I just don't know anymore and thank you from the bottom of my heart to anyone who takes the time to read this and for letting me talk.

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Itsalittlewetout · 05/09/2025 12:48

YourBrickTiger · 05/09/2025 12:42

What’s wrong with being infatuated?? Does that mean I ruined it?

It means that you were seeking something and what you were seeking has clouded your judgment, over powered your spidy senses. Your life depended on this relationship and that I’m afraid is a problem…for you because you are not allowing for failure. You were set on it happening at all costs because you think that everything that doesn’t work is your fault. It didn’t work and it should not have worked , only you would not let this happen because your security depended on it.

What you need to do is to stop with relationships for a while.

YourBrickTiger · 05/09/2025 12:50

Itsalittlewetout · 05/09/2025 12:48

It means that you were seeking something and what you were seeking has clouded your judgment, over powered your spidy senses. Your life depended on this relationship and that I’m afraid is a problem…for you because you are not allowing for failure. You were set on it happening at all costs because you think that everything that doesn’t work is your fault. It didn’t work and it should not have worked , only you would not let this happen because your security depended on it.

What you need to do is to stop with relationships for a while.

Sorry to pick everything apart but ‘it should have worked’… because?

I know that no one believes me but I really did love him so much. I just wanted to be happy like other people seem to be.

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Itsalittlewetout · 05/09/2025 12:58

YourBrickTiger · 05/09/2025 12:50

Sorry to pick everything apart but ‘it should have worked’… because?

I know that no one believes me but I really did love him so much. I just wanted to be happy like other people seem to be.

It should not have worked. He is not a nice person. You can love him however much you want to but the outcome of the relationship would still remain the same. No one disputes that you are capable of loving and loved him deeply. Your problem lies in your choice of man to give it to. If the person isn’t capable of loving you in return then the relationship isn’t there no matter how desperate you are for it to be. He doesn’t love people. Your worth should not hang in the balance of this man not loving you. It has put you in a very dangerous situation because a narc can’t love.

Itsalittlewetout · 05/09/2025 13:00

You and I and many others have been so unlucky to have come across a narc. It’s just really terrible luck that’s all, There will be a man out there who will love you back the same way you love them.

RobertJohnsonsShoes · 05/09/2025 13:19

Why aren’t you being kind to yourself? You talk like you’re the worst person in the world. What would you tell someone else in this situation? Sounds like you need to say a massive FUCK OFF to anyone that dulls your sparkle. And then enjoy a glass of wine.

fateisdestined2025 · 05/09/2025 14:05

Hi, I’m so sorry you had a terrible experience. You were normal and he seemed psychotic. Constantly telling you almost to the point of stamping it in you that you were so in love with him. Normal people love. Psychotic narcissistic people remind the other person how much they love them. He hurt you. I’d blank him next time he wants to talk and don’t speak to him again ever.

you definitely need to heal from his abuse. Because that’s what it was. You did nothing wrong. You gave him his pathetic * chance after chance. I’m not surprised his own kids and ex wife don’t want anything to do with him. He probably abused them too.

there was more to the story when he went bat crazy when you liked the exes photos.

Itsalittlewetout · 05/09/2025 14:07

You know the really sad thing OP and also the most outing of their utter nastiness. They look for people who have been void of love. They know how much this means to you and they don’t care. They have no compassion for the level of destruction they leave behind them.

fateisdestined2025 · 05/09/2025 14:09

Nothing wrong with being infatuated. But if someone Isn’t treating you right after one chance and if they show you who they truly are by lying, etc then dump them they’re not worth your time. major red flag.

if he does talk to again tell him why are you stalking me? It was just a brief fling, it didn’t mean anything and don’t talk to me again. Then report him for stalking.

TheAverageJoanne · 05/09/2025 16:30

fateisdestined2025 · 05/09/2025 14:09

Nothing wrong with being infatuated. But if someone Isn’t treating you right after one chance and if they show you who they truly are by lying, etc then dump them they’re not worth your time. major red flag.

if he does talk to again tell him why are you stalking me? It was just a brief fling, it didn’t mean anything and don’t talk to me again. Then report him for stalking.

The first red flag was when he legged it on the first date. That'd be it for me. I'd see him as an idiot but unfortunately the OP blamed herself and tried to fix it instead of seeing what he was like.

Boomer55 · 05/09/2025 17:20

Jeez, I couldn’t be doing with all this drama around a non-relationship. 🤷‍♀️

Walk away.

Thingyfanding · 05/09/2025 17:43

Echoing previous posts, this very much sounds like a trauma bond. He sounds like he has some quite serious issues like narcissistic personality disorder or he’s a sociopath.
You however, sound incredibly lovely and have been taken advantage of. I’m so sorry.
It’s time to build yourself up again and avoid this man like the plague - he may well try to lure you in again but unfortunately it will only end in heartache.
Just remember, two failed marriages and his children do not speak to him. That tells you everything you need to know.

YourBrickTiger · 05/09/2025 18:20

Boomer55 · 05/09/2025 17:20

Jeez, I couldn’t be doing with all this drama around a non-relationship. 🤷‍♀️

Walk away.

Good for you. I wish it was that easy.

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YourBrickTiger · 05/09/2025 18:22

TheAverageJoanne · 05/09/2025 16:30

The first red flag was when he legged it on the first date. That'd be it for me. I'd see him as an idiot but unfortunately the OP blamed herself and tried to fix it instead of seeing what he was like.

I wore a little teddy see. He had asked me if I had anything sexy then said later I had freaked him out. I’d never done that for a man before and felt so incredibly stupid afterwards 💔

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YourBrickTiger · 05/09/2025 18:22

fateisdestined2025 · 05/09/2025 14:09

Nothing wrong with being infatuated. But if someone Isn’t treating you right after one chance and if they show you who they truly are by lying, etc then dump them they’re not worth your time. major red flag.

if he does talk to again tell him why are you stalking me? It was just a brief fling, it didn’t mean anything and don’t talk to me again. Then report him for stalking.

It meant everything to me though 💔

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Itsalittlewetout · 05/09/2025 20:26

Looking at this man now, all the parts of him, not just the parts you liked. So how he behaves with conflict, how he talks about others and how he made you feel, good and bad. What do you think of him now that you have a better picture of him? Do you think he is a good man who would have provided you with the safe and loving relationship you’d like? Would you have been able to have a relationship where you would have been free to talk about anything, free to tell him your feelings and have them understood. Would you have been walking on eggshells? Is that what you are looking for?

YourBrickTiger · 05/09/2025 20:46

Itsalittlewetout · 05/09/2025 20:26

Looking at this man now, all the parts of him, not just the parts you liked. So how he behaves with conflict, how he talks about others and how he made you feel, good and bad. What do you think of him now that you have a better picture of him? Do you think he is a good man who would have provided you with the safe and loving relationship you’d like? Would you have been able to have a relationship where you would have been free to talk about anything, free to tell him your feelings and have them understood. Would you have been walking on eggshells? Is that what you are looking for?

Inside no I don’t think he can and it kills me because if he tried, I think he could and he knows I accepted him and was willing to help. He does not seem to want to change, to fix his life or his relationships. Someone once said to me that he is ‘scared of everything’. But because he turned it round on me for the longest time I believed him, that it was because of me and my personality looks etc that he couldn’t try. He even said to me “I really tried to be with you” like it took some sort of a massive effort to be with me.

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Itsalittlewetout · 05/09/2025 20:52

YourBrickTiger · 05/09/2025 20:46

Inside no I don’t think he can and it kills me because if he tried, I think he could and he knows I accepted him and was willing to help. He does not seem to want to change, to fix his life or his relationships. Someone once said to me that he is ‘scared of everything’. But because he turned it round on me for the longest time I believed him, that it was because of me and my personality looks etc that he couldn’t try. He even said to me “I really tried to be with you” like it took some sort of a massive effort to be with me.

The poor man is broken. Probably irreparably so. It is ok to have empathy for what a person had to go through to get so damaged. Most often it’s all the effect of childhood. Empathy without boundaries is where the hurt becomes yours. If you don’t protect yourself their damage will take you both down. It is sad. My ex was abused by his father. I couldn’t fix him though. I gave it a good try and that’s all we can say. Some damage is just too deep

TheAverageJoanne · 05/09/2025 23:27

Itsalittlewetout · 05/09/2025 20:52

The poor man is broken. Probably irreparably so. It is ok to have empathy for what a person had to go through to get so damaged. Most often it’s all the effect of childhood. Empathy without boundaries is where the hurt becomes yours. If you don’t protect yourself their damage will take you both down. It is sad. My ex was abused by his father. I couldn’t fix him though. I gave it a good try and that’s all we can say. Some damage is just too deep

The first sentence of your post is unnecessary and probably will confuse the OP who questions most things. He probably is damaged but this is not about him it's about @YourBrickTiger whose job is not to fix this narcissistic man who's caused enough damage.

To paraphrase a Mumsnet quote it's his circus and his monkeys not hers.

fateisdestined2025 · 06/09/2025 13:23

Was it your first relationship?

TheAverageJoanne · 06/09/2025 13:55

fateisdestined2025 · 06/09/2025 13:23

Was it your first relationship?

No the OP is in her 40s and has given details of a previous long term relationship with a man who was nasty.

Annie202 · 06/09/2025 15:44

Block this miserable excuse for a man in all possible places. Look for a new job. Live a long and happy life x

Itsalittlewetout · 06/09/2025 20:25

TheAverageJoanne · 05/09/2025 23:27

The first sentence of your post is unnecessary and probably will confuse the OP who questions most things. He probably is damaged but this is not about him it's about @YourBrickTiger whose job is not to fix this narcissistic man who's caused enough damage.

To paraphrase a Mumsnet quote it's his circus and his monkeys not hers.

No it’s not about these men but it is about the desire to fix a broken person. To hold the belief that it takes someone to fix a person. It’s a codependency. When we are hurting we are drawn to others who are hurting and we try and do for them what we deeply want for ourselves. We just so desperately want someone to make us feel better. We don’t gravitate in this state towards partners who don’t need anything, we are attracted to broken men who we can fix.
The empathy we feel for them is a projection of the empathy that we need for ourselves. It is not that OP felt infatuated it is that she is in desperate need for empathy. It is a known belief that we heal ourselves when we heal others. It’s just so unfortunate that he was a narc.

There are volunteering groups where you can go and help others OP. It lifts you up to put your empathy onto others. It is best to not fulfil this need via intimate relationships.

YourBrickTiger · 07/09/2025 11:05

Itsalittlewetout · 06/09/2025 20:25

No it’s not about these men but it is about the desire to fix a broken person. To hold the belief that it takes someone to fix a person. It’s a codependency. When we are hurting we are drawn to others who are hurting and we try and do for them what we deeply want for ourselves. We just so desperately want someone to make us feel better. We don’t gravitate in this state towards partners who don’t need anything, we are attracted to broken men who we can fix.
The empathy we feel for them is a projection of the empathy that we need for ourselves. It is not that OP felt infatuated it is that she is in desperate need for empathy. It is a known belief that we heal ourselves when we heal others. It’s just so unfortunate that he was a narc.

There are volunteering groups where you can go and help others OP. It lifts you up to put your empathy onto others. It is best to not fulfil this need via intimate relationships.

I didn’t realise this. I do feel completely lost inside like I have a defect like a doll nobody wants. Is he broken? He doesn’t come across as such.

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ForgetMeNotRose · 07/09/2025 11:13

If you're interested in psychology, it might be worth looking into the drama triangle. I think in both the relationship with your brother and this guy you may have taken on the role of the "rescuer". A lot of us end up in this role, especially when we've felt responsibility for looking after others. We can start to feel our value is in rescuing other people who are in the role of the "victim". To me both men are playing that role. But these aren't healthy dynamics that good relationships are built on.

Itsalittlewetout · 07/09/2025 11:22

YourBrickTiger · 07/09/2025 11:05

I didn’t realise this. I do feel completely lost inside like I have a defect like a doll nobody wants. Is he broken? He doesn’t come across as such.

He’s an absolute bloody mess. But until you work on yourself and build on your emotional intelligence you won’t spot this. Give it a year, go work on yourself and all your insecurities. Have the strength to tell them to someone who can help work through them. Come back and answer that question yourself.

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