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YourBrickTiger · 15/07/2025 14:23

Hi - I am just hoping for a little help here...haven't been through a situation like I'm currently experiencing and it's very painful to the point of making me sick.

If I can kindly ask that no one advises against workplace romances, as I work with several couples, some of whom are married and even one who is divorced. I know a lot of people in my place of work who met here and are now married and still working together. So I thought it was ok for me too.

I don't have a support system. My parents have both passed away and friends that I do have keep everything at a surface level, which has made me unable to discuss this, therefore I apologise in advance for the length. I can't face anymore harsh criticism, so if you don't have time to read this as I understand it is very long, or you are critical of me, please be kind. I'm blaming myself enough.

I met a man, a colleague who I really liked, about 8 years ago, admired from afar as he was married and never gave it much thought other than I thought he was a really nice decent man. A few years after we started working together, he told me that his second marriage was on the rocks and that he felt unlovable. I told him that I thought he was very lovable and made a joke that if I'd marry him if they were to split. Again, didn't pay it too much mind and thought nothing would ever happen, went about my life. Another few years passed without incident.

As Covid was coming to an end, and with his marriage over, we had been getting on very well at work and one night out of the blue, he rang me and we talked for 5 hours about everything and anything. I had been single for a long time after an abusive relationship with a man from outside the UK who just disappeared on me one night after living together for almost a year. At this point, I hadn't had a relationship in 11 years and wasn't looking but I was really really drawn to this guy at work. We had a lovely conversation but again, nothing much to report afterward.

A couple of months later, I plucked up the courage to ask him if he'd like to have another phonecall (facetime). We were essential workers and still in the cloud of the pandemic so thought this was the best approach. I wasn't prepared for his response. At this point he was 49 years old, he stood up, started to rub his chest, said 'oh God no no...oh no...this is making me really uncomfortable...' and left the room. I had rehearsed this in my head all day waiting for the right moment and this happened. I was completely mortified, hurt and eventually went home and beat myself up for not being cool enough or maybe even good enough for him. When I woke up the next morning he had called me three times and sent me messages to see if I was ok. I texted back how shocked I was and how I had obviously misread the signals, but told him he was someone I had grown to like very much and that it wasn't my intention to upset or scare him. When I got back to work a few days later, he'd stopped speaking to me.

This went on for a couple of weeks so I just kept my head down and got on with it. Another two weeks passed and all of a sudden, he was trying to make me laugh again, which he always could. I was relieved he seemed ok, but just left him to it. We started to get on better, and for his 50th I bought him a silly gift, no one else in his life seemed to make an effort, so I wanted to do something for him. On one of our dates he told me that his friends dog had used it as a chew toy. (It was a bottle opener made from wood).

We would be here all year if I told you the full story but although he and his wife didn't divorce, they separated, and he said he wanted nothing to do with women for a year. This to me was fine and healthy but he made a huge announcement to me about it. Feeling it safe, I said 'well if after that year is up, would you like to have a coffee with me?' and he said 'yes...I will have a think about that'.

No more than 2 weeks passed, when we were alone and he asked me out. I was elated! We set a date and he was calling me and texting me in the build up to it. All his nerves seemed to have gone. He sent me photos of himself, went through my socials and complimented me on my photos. He even sent me a few intimate pics. In work that day he kissed me for the first time.

We had arranged for him to come to my home, as I knew him so well this wasn't an issue and we were going to have a few drinks. I made a real effort, scrubbed the house until it was shining, and made myself look really nice, I thought. He arrived at the time we arranged. We sat down for our first drink and he immediately started to become nervous again. He admitted to being nervous and I just soothed him, telling him to relax, it was just me etc...but he said 'no no I have to leave'. He was only with me despite the massive build up for 5 minutes. I was completely and totally distraught and thought it must be something to do with my looks, or weight etc. I'm not stick thin and quite curvy but he had been paying me so many compliments I thought he was attracted.

I had the awful situation of having to face him again in work but I just tried to walk past him with a brief hello. It was agonising - he did attempt a short apology but in his words it was 'sorry about everything I just got all'...and made this funny noise that you would make as if you were shivering or something.

I had developed feelings by this point but just had to try to get on with it. I was hit with various other awful things like him accusing me of stalking one of his exes. He blew up at me in work as I had clicked on her profile when she came up as a friend suggestion. It was genuine. She is friends with my cousin and I have family in the area he is from. He defriended me from facebook as I had clicked 'like' on this ladies nails, and then once I realised who she was I unliked it. Thinking no harm done, but he found out. He was SO angry with me. It crushed me that he had deleted me and when I tried to explain the family connection, he put his hand up in front of me and said 'I don't want to hear it'. When I said 'Please let me explain!' he shouted 'F* off' at me infront of my colleagues.

There is a lot of other stuff that has happened but that Christmas he approached me again after he started talking to me again and we slept together. He told me he knew how much I had fallen for him and that he just needed time as he admitted he didn't know what he was doing with his life. I told him to take all the time he needed. A few days later, he stopped speaking to me again. He approached me for another date which I agreed to and at the time he was due to meet me, he cancelled, saying he wasn't quite ready.

Then he came round again - this time my idea I admit it as I couldn't let him go. We became more involved and he came to my home, asked to see my family albums, made me promises about holidays, the future, said I didn't have to be concerned about money anymore (I'm very independent so it isn't a money issue anyway but was nice to have support). We were close, talking on the phone, being intimate, he even said 'imagine how everyone in work will feel when they find out we've been together for like 8 months' or something..! He told me he wanted me to meet his family, and let me facetime with his sister. It was clear she knew who I was and paid me lots of compliments, telling me she only wanted him to be happy. I said I would never hurt him and would always try to make him happy. He told his sister that I would do anything for him and he told me he felt I was his soulmate. He told other people (who told me) that he had told them he knew I had fallen for him and that I was a lovely girl who would make a wonderful wife.

On the day we were due to meet his family, his whole demeanour changed. We woke up and even his facial expressions were different. He said 'I have to go now' and when I enquired about the family he said 'we'll do it another time'. He assured me he wasn't coming back but I didn't hear from him for 5 days. He sent a text to say he wanted to be alone, he didn't love me, he knew I loved him, that all it was was 'sex and a drink', and that he knew I'd react badly and he had to go because I was stressing him out.

I totally and completely fell apart but managed to sort of hold it together at work. Despite his text, a month later he approached me again, asking for another chance and when I asked him why he had told me he didn't want me, his explanation was that he had just freaked out because he knew I had such deep feelings. Of course I agreed. Nearly as soon as I agreed, he turned cold. Despite the fact we'd made a date, he became cold with me. When I asked him why, he said 'I'm not going back there, I can't do it'.

This was the only time that I visibly cracked at work. Someone saw me crying and told my colleague who told him. He became so so angry with me that he arranged a meeting with me and my boss in which he said in front of my boss 'I did not make love to you - I f*** you'. My boss said nothing. He told me he could 'get any girl in a bar and take her home' and told me that I had caused him a total nightmare.

I took some time off work and when I returned I didn't go near him. But apparently made one fatal mistake. I borrowed his coffee cup. One day when I forgot my own, I used his. Washed it thoroughly and put it back. He found out about this too because someone started to tease him about me using it and he apparently laughed. But with me it was a different story. He took the cup home and said 'I don't like anyone using my stuff'. Despite having been in my home etc.

For the next month he stopped talking to me and texted my colleagues to say things like 'Tell her I'm hiding in the toilets' or 'has she gone yet?'. I was so devastated because all I had done was borrowed a cup. I hadn't bothered him, begged him, stalked him, annoyed him, nothing at all. I had left him alone. I begged my boss to talk to him, to get him to stop and he said he would not speak to him, but would keep an eye on it. It continued for over a month with no help until I begged my boss. I was so humiliated and because of this, decided to move to a different department.

On the day that I moved, the guy was coming out of the department I work in. I don't know why he was there but he shouted 'Good luck in the new job!' at me and walked on. I have rarely seen him since but if I do bump into him he is very nice, talkative wants to show me pictures on his phone etc. I do not understand this behaviour. He was hiding from me, but now he's being nice?

Because of everything that has happened, I have become a shell of myself. I work alone now, with very little interaction with anyone, I've isolated myself and feel like everyone hates me or doesn't want me around. He has remained in his position, which I guess is down to me as I didn't make a fuss as I would never have wanted him to be hurt. So I've carried it all. I felt I had up to a point a good relationship with my former boss but he didn't speak out for me or help me with some of the language that was used, the hiding in the toilets and the silent treatment that the guy inflicted in work. I've heard rumours of being called names like Baby Reindeer which I never was. I never stalked him, called him repeatedly, went to his home, didn't do anything harmful to him at all. He said that 'you went about it all the wrong way'. I have never asked a guy out before so that was a huge knock.

His kids don't talk to him anymore and I had hoped he would be able to reconcile whatever happened with my help but it's never happened. He told me his ex wife has turned them against him.

I've come away thinking that I'm a freak, that there is something the matter with me because I fell for someone who I genuinely liked. It is killing me, I've had to have therapy but nothing is convincing me that I didn't cause this by loving him and by believing he was just scared and giving so many chances. There are days I just don't cope at all, then days I really do, and days I really miss him so so much. I believed he was a different man, I still do believe he's lost and afraid but I don't know why he had to do this to someone who had been so kind to him and loving for so long, even when we weren't together. My fear is now that I'm no good for anyone and never will be. I'm 49 now and can't get past it. No matter what I try to do it's like a black cloud hanging over me. I really doubt myself now, all my interactions with people and fear because I'm not picture perfect, or picture thin that this happened to me due to that. To me he is very handsome, so maybe that's it? I am so scared for my future now, and my health is declining. I didn't know it was such a crime to be in love but if someone does hide from me in the bathroom, it surely means I'm repulsive? Out of everything I had shared with him and everything he knew, the hiding is probably the worst. I have thought of ending my life because if I am that bad what is the point, but I am trying to believe that maybe this isn't my fault? I just don't know anymore and thank you from the bottom of my heart to anyone who takes the time to read this and for letting me talk.

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Itsalittlewetout · 04/09/2025 11:33

This women bulldozed your boundaries. Perhaps she liked the power and your mum liked the feeling someone was in control. People are weird and complex. But this is all learned behaviour that you can unlearn overtime. You adapted to one environment and now you can adapt to another. You have taken this learning into your intimate relationships and they’ve hurt you just like this relationship with mum and women. Unfortunately it is you that is going to have to change the way you see the world. Because you’ve adapted to dysfunction. It’s ok, it’s not your fault but it is your responsibility.

So yes, we do play a part in these types of narc relationships. It is not shameful to have been given the wrong lessons in life. Our relationships will always hurt us unless we realise that we play a part in our hurt.

TheAverageJoanne · 04/09/2025 12:03

YourBrickTiger · 04/09/2025 11:22

I feel that I had a connection with him that I have never felt. I'm not the type of person who finds dates fun. I have only ever gone out with men that I have a friendship or connection with first. And with him I felt it more than anyone else. I genuinely loved him and thought he was different. Thought we were meant to be, based on who I thought he was.

To be fair, you loved an idealized version of him, who he pretended to be. You've said it yourself in your last sentence. He's a con man. You fell for the fake. The problem you have is separating the fake version from the real one, and blaming yourself for the shift when all the time it's him who's a liar and a fake. He conned you.

TurtleCavalryIsSeriousShit · 04/09/2025 12:04

All of your posts reminds me of the snake bite analogy.

@YourBrickTiger If you got bitten by a snake right now... what would you do?

Would you:

  1. Immediately seek medical help? or
  2. Chase after the snake to ask it why it bit you?

You are CONSISTENTLY choosing no 2. Your 'guy' is a snake. Snakes don't bite every single person it sees. But if it does bite someone, it's also not that person's fault.

Your brother is a snake due to his alcoholism. So is your so-called female friend.

Why then, do you consistently run around asking: "WHY?! WHY ME?! WHY IS THE SNAKE BITING ME?"

Forget the fucking snakes and why. A snake doesn't KNOW why it's biting you. It's not important anyway.

Go and get medical help. By which I mean therapy in your case. And learn to recognise and avoid snakes.

Itsalittlewetout · 04/09/2025 12:24

TheAverageJoanne · 04/09/2025 12:03

To be fair, you loved an idealized version of him, who he pretended to be. You've said it yourself in your last sentence. He's a con man. You fell for the fake. The problem you have is separating the fake version from the real one, and blaming yourself for the shift when all the time it's him who's a liar and a fake. He conned you.

They call it cognitive dissonance. Holding 2 opposing thoughts at the same time. You flip flop between the 2 ideas, is it him or is it me. Your brain can’t process this, they can’t both be true…..eventually you will settle on one of the thoughts. You have got to make sense of those thoughts with someone who can help you.

Your belief of it’s me is hurting you, your other belief of it’s him requires ego and this is underdeveloped so it’s not strong enough yet to be loud enough. At the moment you are in no man’s land. When I was unwell I referred to it as 2 world colliding together. It is a fight between programming and ego!

YourBrickTiger · 04/09/2025 12:57

Itsalittlewetout · 04/09/2025 12:24

They call it cognitive dissonance. Holding 2 opposing thoughts at the same time. You flip flop between the 2 ideas, is it him or is it me. Your brain can’t process this, they can’t both be true…..eventually you will settle on one of the thoughts. You have got to make sense of those thoughts with someone who can help you.

Your belief of it’s me is hurting you, your other belief of it’s him requires ego and this is underdeveloped so it’s not strong enough yet to be loud enough. At the moment you are in no man’s land. When I was unwell I referred to it as 2 world colliding together. It is a fight between programming and ego!

Feels exactly like that. Can I ask though if he is a snake, how did he stay married to his first wife for 15 years?

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Itsalittlewetout · 04/09/2025 13:01

YourBrickTiger · 04/09/2025 12:57

Feels exactly like that. Can I ask though if he is a snake, how did he stay married to his first wife for 15 years?

How did I stay married to mine for 12 years?? I didn’t know he was the snake. Like you I thought the problem was me. Why would I be looking at him when I couldn’t take my eyes away from myself. He was my destroyer and my saviour. He was destroying my self esteem and at the same time I was looking at him to fix it. It’s a trap.

Itsalittlewetout · 04/09/2025 13:06

I was told that I was nothing without him. At the beginning not in words but in actions but then it turned to words and it became the voice inside my head. They devalue you so that you have no worth and you are depended on them.

Itsalittlewetout · 04/09/2025 13:16

He wanted his needs met by you, but he didn’t want you, your opinions, your needs, your thoughts, your individuality. What’s the easiest way to get what you want? Take away anything that could get in the way! So he took away your identity because he can’t be arsed with giving you anything. But that causes an enormous amount of damage to you, but he doesn’t care because he only cares about getting his needs met. I don’t think you can comprehend the level of evil that lives within people. When you are a decent person you’d never dream of this.

YourBrickTiger · 04/09/2025 13:20

Itsalittlewetout · 04/09/2025 13:16

He wanted his needs met by you, but he didn’t want you, your opinions, your needs, your thoughts, your individuality. What’s the easiest way to get what you want? Take away anything that could get in the way! So he took away your identity because he can’t be arsed with giving you anything. But that causes an enormous amount of damage to you, but he doesn’t care because he only cares about getting his needs met. I don’t think you can comprehend the level of evil that lives within people. When you are a decent person you’d never dream of this.

Never. I'd have died for him. If anyone ever ever tried to hurt him, I would defend him, stand up for him. In a sense I am stronger than he is because I can fight for what I want, what I believe in. He just runs away from everything. I like to think of myself as a bit of an Arwen from LOTA. You know the scene when she has Frodo on the horse and she gets the big sword out? Like that. But I'm tired.

'He didn't want you'. - ok again that applies to EVERYONE not just me right because of my size?

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Itsalittlewetout · 04/09/2025 13:23

YourBrickTiger · 04/09/2025 13:20

Never. I'd have died for him. If anyone ever ever tried to hurt him, I would defend him, stand up for him. In a sense I am stronger than he is because I can fight for what I want, what I believe in. He just runs away from everything. I like to think of myself as a bit of an Arwen from LOTA. You know the scene when she has Frodo on the horse and she gets the big sword out? Like that. But I'm tired.

'He didn't want you'. - ok again that applies to EVERYONE not just me right because of my size?

It applies to your inner self, who you are inside, your identity, you. He wants a body to do things for him, he doesn’t want the person inside of it. That would apply to anyone.

Itsalittlewetout · 04/09/2025 13:25

Your soul with a narc is left starving to death!!!

Itsalittlewetout · 04/09/2025 14:04

Because of the dynamics with these narcs we end up getting more and more insecure. We need more and it just annoys them. I was undiagnosed Autistic. I pissed mine off something terrible. The more I tried to mask and pretend I didn’t need anything the more anxious I became. They get bored of your needs because it gets in the way of theirs so they get bored of you. They move on to someone else, until they get bored of the other person having needs.

YourBrickTiger · 04/09/2025 14:51

Itsalittlewetout · 04/09/2025 13:23

It applies to your inner self, who you are inside, your identity, you. He wants a body to do things for him, he doesn’t want the person inside of it. That would apply to anyone.

Maybe that is the attraction of the south east asian girls. I've been told many of them are very passive.

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Itsalittlewetout · 04/09/2025 15:03

YourBrickTiger · 04/09/2025 14:51

Maybe that is the attraction of the south east asian girls. I've been told many of them are very passive.

I think that’s just an issue with some men. They don’t want a partnership they want a slave, a housewife, someone in the background making little noise so they can focus on themselves. Pound their chests whilst the little women is at home. I have done an awful lot of reading on feminism and patriarchy. My Autism is always but why but why.

YourBrickTiger · 04/09/2025 15:06

Itsalittlewetout · 04/09/2025 15:03

I think that’s just an issue with some men. They don’t want a partnership they want a slave, a housewife, someone in the background making little noise so they can focus on themselves. Pound their chests whilst the little women is at home. I have done an awful lot of reading on feminism and patriarchy. My Autism is always but why but why.

I've actually fallen so low at times that I have considered having cosmetic surgery to make myself look like one of them. Because in my mind they are all a man wants. But then he had one and now she's left him too but he was at her beck and call any time she needed a lift, food, lift to her citizenship ceremony so he'd be paid...wonder was he ever as disrespectful to her as he was to me.

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Itsalittlewetout · 04/09/2025 15:11

YourBrickTiger · 04/09/2025 15:06

I've actually fallen so low at times that I have considered having cosmetic surgery to make myself look like one of them. Because in my mind they are all a man wants. But then he had one and now she's left him too but he was at her beck and call any time she needed a lift, food, lift to her citizenship ceremony so he'd be paid...wonder was he ever as disrespectful to her as he was to me.

He was probably fine until he realised she wasn’t actually an empty vessel or she bored him or he got cross and took it out on her. You can only use someone for so long before they either notice of they break. Like a kitchen appliance, if it breaks you get a new one.

YourBrickTiger · 04/09/2025 15:18

Itsalittlewetout · 04/09/2025 15:11

He was probably fine until he realised she wasn’t actually an empty vessel or she bored him or he got cross and took it out on her. You can only use someone for so long before they either notice of they break. Like a kitchen appliance, if it breaks you get a new one.

I wasn't allowed to break. The one occasion when he found out I had been crying - I think it was about the 3rd time he changed his mind about us being together after yet another huge build up - he was furious. Absolutely furious because I cried in work of all places.

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Itsalittlewetout · 04/09/2025 15:33

YourBrickTiger · 04/09/2025 15:18

I wasn't allowed to break. The one occasion when he found out I had been crying - I think it was about the 3rd time he changed his mind about us being together after yet another huge build up - he was furious. Absolutely furious because I cried in work of all places.

That is how they break their partners. They leave a trail of broken partners behind them.

YourBrickTiger · 04/09/2025 15:49

Itsalittlewetout · 04/09/2025 15:33

That is how they break their partners. They leave a trail of broken partners behind them.

I can't help but think if I had stayed quiet, he'd still be here.

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Itsalittlewetout · 04/09/2025 15:51

When you ask how come one relationship lasted 15 years not lasted 2 and one 6 etc etc. It’s all very dependent on the partner. They might be mentally healthy when they meet, they might not have too many needs and the relationship is ok. Cue life happening, 6 years later they have kids and the partners needs change. She needs more, he can’t give it, her mental health declines. Her parent dies 10 years in and she needs more, he can’t give it, she declines. Life happens to everyone at different stages. When it comes to him having to give, he can’t. Relationships are sometimes outbalanced and we have to rely on the other to build us up then the balance returns. They can’t do this, the balance tips and you break.

Itsalittlewetout · 04/09/2025 15:53

YourBrickTiger · 04/09/2025 15:49

I can't help but think if I had stayed quiet, he'd still be here.

and how are you planning on being quiet for everyday of the rest if your life?

YourBrickTiger · 04/09/2025 15:59

Itsalittlewetout · 04/09/2025 15:53

and how are you planning on being quiet for everyday of the rest if your life?

Thing is I'm naturally not quiet. I'm the opposite especially if I see an injustice. But with him it made me feel that as long as I behaved all was well. I remember the first time we slept together I think he assumed I'd tell people in work, but I didn't. I'm not like that. After he had stopped ignoring me he eventually said 'you've been a very good girl, you haven't told anybody'.

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YourBrickTiger · 04/09/2025 16:00

Itsalittlewetout · 04/09/2025 15:51

When you ask how come one relationship lasted 15 years not lasted 2 and one 6 etc etc. It’s all very dependent on the partner. They might be mentally healthy when they meet, they might not have too many needs and the relationship is ok. Cue life happening, 6 years later they have kids and the partners needs change. She needs more, he can’t give it, her mental health declines. Her parent dies 10 years in and she needs more, he can’t give it, she declines. Life happens to everyone at different stages. When it comes to him having to give, he can’t. Relationships are sometimes outbalanced and we have to rely on the other to build us up then the balance returns. They can’t do this, the balance tips and you break.

I guess I just thought if you have 3 kids with someone that you must be all good and mentally healthy.

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Itsalittlewetout · 04/09/2025 16:12

YourBrickTiger · 04/09/2025 16:00

I guess I just thought if you have 3 kids with someone that you must be all good and mentally healthy.

How’s the relationship with his kids?

FrogFrogFrog · 04/09/2025 16:13

YourBrickTiger · 04/09/2025 15:49

I can't help but think if I had stayed quiet, he'd still be here.

Thank god you didn't, then! Sorry, OP, I know you're still hurting over this guy, but literally everything you say about him makes him sound even worse, and he sounded vile to start with. You've given him so much power over your life and your opinions about yourself. I really hope that you can find your own inner power, and realise what a loser he is.

Having three children with someone has doesn't in any way equate to them being good and mentally healthy. You can't really think this? Just look at the news. There are horrible, abusive parents out there.

You've got this guy on such a pedestal, OP, and he doesn't deserve it in the slightest.

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