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YourBrickTiger · 15/07/2025 14:23

Hi - I am just hoping for a little help here...haven't been through a situation like I'm currently experiencing and it's very painful to the point of making me sick.

If I can kindly ask that no one advises against workplace romances, as I work with several couples, some of whom are married and even one who is divorced. I know a lot of people in my place of work who met here and are now married and still working together. So I thought it was ok for me too.

I don't have a support system. My parents have both passed away and friends that I do have keep everything at a surface level, which has made me unable to discuss this, therefore I apologise in advance for the length. I can't face anymore harsh criticism, so if you don't have time to read this as I understand it is very long, or you are critical of me, please be kind. I'm blaming myself enough.

I met a man, a colleague who I really liked, about 8 years ago, admired from afar as he was married and never gave it much thought other than I thought he was a really nice decent man. A few years after we started working together, he told me that his second marriage was on the rocks and that he felt unlovable. I told him that I thought he was very lovable and made a joke that if I'd marry him if they were to split. Again, didn't pay it too much mind and thought nothing would ever happen, went about my life. Another few years passed without incident.

As Covid was coming to an end, and with his marriage over, we had been getting on very well at work and one night out of the blue, he rang me and we talked for 5 hours about everything and anything. I had been single for a long time after an abusive relationship with a man from outside the UK who just disappeared on me one night after living together for almost a year. At this point, I hadn't had a relationship in 11 years and wasn't looking but I was really really drawn to this guy at work. We had a lovely conversation but again, nothing much to report afterward.

A couple of months later, I plucked up the courage to ask him if he'd like to have another phonecall (facetime). We were essential workers and still in the cloud of the pandemic so thought this was the best approach. I wasn't prepared for his response. At this point he was 49 years old, he stood up, started to rub his chest, said 'oh God no no...oh no...this is making me really uncomfortable...' and left the room. I had rehearsed this in my head all day waiting for the right moment and this happened. I was completely mortified, hurt and eventually went home and beat myself up for not being cool enough or maybe even good enough for him. When I woke up the next morning he had called me three times and sent me messages to see if I was ok. I texted back how shocked I was and how I had obviously misread the signals, but told him he was someone I had grown to like very much and that it wasn't my intention to upset or scare him. When I got back to work a few days later, he'd stopped speaking to me.

This went on for a couple of weeks so I just kept my head down and got on with it. Another two weeks passed and all of a sudden, he was trying to make me laugh again, which he always could. I was relieved he seemed ok, but just left him to it. We started to get on better, and for his 50th I bought him a silly gift, no one else in his life seemed to make an effort, so I wanted to do something for him. On one of our dates he told me that his friends dog had used it as a chew toy. (It was a bottle opener made from wood).

We would be here all year if I told you the full story but although he and his wife didn't divorce, they separated, and he said he wanted nothing to do with women for a year. This to me was fine and healthy but he made a huge announcement to me about it. Feeling it safe, I said 'well if after that year is up, would you like to have a coffee with me?' and he said 'yes...I will have a think about that'.

No more than 2 weeks passed, when we were alone and he asked me out. I was elated! We set a date and he was calling me and texting me in the build up to it. All his nerves seemed to have gone. He sent me photos of himself, went through my socials and complimented me on my photos. He even sent me a few intimate pics. In work that day he kissed me for the first time.

We had arranged for him to come to my home, as I knew him so well this wasn't an issue and we were going to have a few drinks. I made a real effort, scrubbed the house until it was shining, and made myself look really nice, I thought. He arrived at the time we arranged. We sat down for our first drink and he immediately started to become nervous again. He admitted to being nervous and I just soothed him, telling him to relax, it was just me etc...but he said 'no no I have to leave'. He was only with me despite the massive build up for 5 minutes. I was completely and totally distraught and thought it must be something to do with my looks, or weight etc. I'm not stick thin and quite curvy but he had been paying me so many compliments I thought he was attracted.

I had the awful situation of having to face him again in work but I just tried to walk past him with a brief hello. It was agonising - he did attempt a short apology but in his words it was 'sorry about everything I just got all'...and made this funny noise that you would make as if you were shivering or something.

I had developed feelings by this point but just had to try to get on with it. I was hit with various other awful things like him accusing me of stalking one of his exes. He blew up at me in work as I had clicked on her profile when she came up as a friend suggestion. It was genuine. She is friends with my cousin and I have family in the area he is from. He defriended me from facebook as I had clicked 'like' on this ladies nails, and then once I realised who she was I unliked it. Thinking no harm done, but he found out. He was SO angry with me. It crushed me that he had deleted me and when I tried to explain the family connection, he put his hand up in front of me and said 'I don't want to hear it'. When I said 'Please let me explain!' he shouted 'F* off' at me infront of my colleagues.

There is a lot of other stuff that has happened but that Christmas he approached me again after he started talking to me again and we slept together. He told me he knew how much I had fallen for him and that he just needed time as he admitted he didn't know what he was doing with his life. I told him to take all the time he needed. A few days later, he stopped speaking to me again. He approached me for another date which I agreed to and at the time he was due to meet me, he cancelled, saying he wasn't quite ready.

Then he came round again - this time my idea I admit it as I couldn't let him go. We became more involved and he came to my home, asked to see my family albums, made me promises about holidays, the future, said I didn't have to be concerned about money anymore (I'm very independent so it isn't a money issue anyway but was nice to have support). We were close, talking on the phone, being intimate, he even said 'imagine how everyone in work will feel when they find out we've been together for like 8 months' or something..! He told me he wanted me to meet his family, and let me facetime with his sister. It was clear she knew who I was and paid me lots of compliments, telling me she only wanted him to be happy. I said I would never hurt him and would always try to make him happy. He told his sister that I would do anything for him and he told me he felt I was his soulmate. He told other people (who told me) that he had told them he knew I had fallen for him and that I was a lovely girl who would make a wonderful wife.

On the day we were due to meet his family, his whole demeanour changed. We woke up and even his facial expressions were different. He said 'I have to go now' and when I enquired about the family he said 'we'll do it another time'. He assured me he wasn't coming back but I didn't hear from him for 5 days. He sent a text to say he wanted to be alone, he didn't love me, he knew I loved him, that all it was was 'sex and a drink', and that he knew I'd react badly and he had to go because I was stressing him out.

I totally and completely fell apart but managed to sort of hold it together at work. Despite his text, a month later he approached me again, asking for another chance and when I asked him why he had told me he didn't want me, his explanation was that he had just freaked out because he knew I had such deep feelings. Of course I agreed. Nearly as soon as I agreed, he turned cold. Despite the fact we'd made a date, he became cold with me. When I asked him why, he said 'I'm not going back there, I can't do it'.

This was the only time that I visibly cracked at work. Someone saw me crying and told my colleague who told him. He became so so angry with me that he arranged a meeting with me and my boss in which he said in front of my boss 'I did not make love to you - I f*** you'. My boss said nothing. He told me he could 'get any girl in a bar and take her home' and told me that I had caused him a total nightmare.

I took some time off work and when I returned I didn't go near him. But apparently made one fatal mistake. I borrowed his coffee cup. One day when I forgot my own, I used his. Washed it thoroughly and put it back. He found out about this too because someone started to tease him about me using it and he apparently laughed. But with me it was a different story. He took the cup home and said 'I don't like anyone using my stuff'. Despite having been in my home etc.

For the next month he stopped talking to me and texted my colleagues to say things like 'Tell her I'm hiding in the toilets' or 'has she gone yet?'. I was so devastated because all I had done was borrowed a cup. I hadn't bothered him, begged him, stalked him, annoyed him, nothing at all. I had left him alone. I begged my boss to talk to him, to get him to stop and he said he would not speak to him, but would keep an eye on it. It continued for over a month with no help until I begged my boss. I was so humiliated and because of this, decided to move to a different department.

On the day that I moved, the guy was coming out of the department I work in. I don't know why he was there but he shouted 'Good luck in the new job!' at me and walked on. I have rarely seen him since but if I do bump into him he is very nice, talkative wants to show me pictures on his phone etc. I do not understand this behaviour. He was hiding from me, but now he's being nice?

Because of everything that has happened, I have become a shell of myself. I work alone now, with very little interaction with anyone, I've isolated myself and feel like everyone hates me or doesn't want me around. He has remained in his position, which I guess is down to me as I didn't make a fuss as I would never have wanted him to be hurt. So I've carried it all. I felt I had up to a point a good relationship with my former boss but he didn't speak out for me or help me with some of the language that was used, the hiding in the toilets and the silent treatment that the guy inflicted in work. I've heard rumours of being called names like Baby Reindeer which I never was. I never stalked him, called him repeatedly, went to his home, didn't do anything harmful to him at all. He said that 'you went about it all the wrong way'. I have never asked a guy out before so that was a huge knock.

His kids don't talk to him anymore and I had hoped he would be able to reconcile whatever happened with my help but it's never happened. He told me his ex wife has turned them against him.

I've come away thinking that I'm a freak, that there is something the matter with me because I fell for someone who I genuinely liked. It is killing me, I've had to have therapy but nothing is convincing me that I didn't cause this by loving him and by believing he was just scared and giving so many chances. There are days I just don't cope at all, then days I really do, and days I really miss him so so much. I believed he was a different man, I still do believe he's lost and afraid but I don't know why he had to do this to someone who had been so kind to him and loving for so long, even when we weren't together. My fear is now that I'm no good for anyone and never will be. I'm 49 now and can't get past it. No matter what I try to do it's like a black cloud hanging over me. I really doubt myself now, all my interactions with people and fear because I'm not picture perfect, or picture thin that this happened to me due to that. To me he is very handsome, so maybe that's it? I am so scared for my future now, and my health is declining. I didn't know it was such a crime to be in love but if someone does hide from me in the bathroom, it surely means I'm repulsive? Out of everything I had shared with him and everything he knew, the hiding is probably the worst. I have thought of ending my life because if I am that bad what is the point, but I am trying to believe that maybe this isn't my fault? I just don't know anymore and thank you from the bottom of my heart to anyone who takes the time to read this and for letting me talk.

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Sunflowers67 · 26/08/2025 19:36

My therapist suggested that I give my negative thoughts a name - like 'Bob'.
Every time I started to think things that were negative or questioning about him and what he did/how he treated me, I would say out loud 'Thanks Bob - you can go now'.

It is supposed to break the connection between mind and brain and re-train your thoughts. You are acknowledging the thought but also telling it that you don't want to listen to it anymore.

I did poo poo it, but it worked.

GwendolineFairfax8 · 26/08/2025 20:20

@YourBrickTiger

Your weekend sounds lovely ☺️

Keep telling us what he has done so we can keep telling you how vile he is - and one day you will believe us. It’s not you!!!

YourBrickTiger · 26/08/2025 20:25

GwendolineFairfax8 · 26/08/2025 20:20

@YourBrickTiger

Your weekend sounds lovely ☺️

Keep telling us what he has done so we can keep telling you how vile he is - and one day you will believe us. It’s not you!!!

Thank you I’m struggling today again. Angry at myself. I tried to type if he was on coke it must mean I’m none of the lovely things he said either! I mean to be with me, a man needs to take coke first!!!

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GwendolineFairfax8 · 26/08/2025 20:44

YourBrickTiger · 26/08/2025 20:25

Thank you I’m struggling today again. Angry at myself. I tried to type if he was on coke it must mean I’m none of the lovely things he said either! I mean to be with me, a man needs to take coke first!!!

Be kind to yourself as you would be if someone you knew was struggling.

He is a coke head - he was on it before you and likely still on it.

No he is definitely not a catch. From what you say, the Asian woman scenario sounds like she wanted money as she did not hang around for long.

Hope tomorrow is a better day 😊

Itsalittlewetout · 26/08/2025 20:44

YourBrickTiger · 26/08/2025 20:25

Thank you I’m struggling today again. Angry at myself. I tried to type if he was on coke it must mean I’m none of the lovely things he said either! I mean to be with me, a man needs to take coke first!!!

No, you heard what you wanted to hear and he said what you wanted to hear. He did this because he wanted to fool you into believing he was a good person and for you to form an attachment to him. You have externalised all of your self esteem and are looking to find it from another. If you want to hear these things then you can say them to yourself. This man was preying on you, imitating you, finding out your weakness and using it to beat you with and enjoying it.

YourBrickTiger · 26/08/2025 23:54

Itsalittlewetout · 26/08/2025 20:44

No, you heard what you wanted to hear and he said what you wanted to hear. He did this because he wanted to fool you into believing he was a good person and for you to form an attachment to him. You have externalised all of your self esteem and are looking to find it from another. If you want to hear these things then you can say them to yourself. This man was preying on you, imitating you, finding out your weakness and using it to beat you with and enjoying it.

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It still means I must be none of the things he said. ‘Lovely person with a lovely heart’ ‘kind’ ‘beautiful’. If he had to take coke to be with me how on earth do I believe I’m anything good?! So so tired now.

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TheAverageJoanne · 27/08/2025 00:04

YourBrickTiger · 26/08/2025 23:54

It still means I must be none of the things he said. ‘Lovely person with a lovely heart’ ‘kind’ ‘beautiful’. If he had to take coke to be with me how on earth do I believe I’m anything good?! So so tired now.

No it doesn't. You already know this man is worthless, so why is his stupid opinion worth anything?

Someone up thread has already posited he was a cokehead anyway, it had nothing to do with you.

Itsalittlewetout · 27/08/2025 08:28

YourBrickTiger · 26/08/2025 23:54

It still means I must be none of the things he said. ‘Lovely person with a lovely heart’ ‘kind’ ‘beautiful’. If he had to take coke to be with me how on earth do I believe I’m anything good?! So so tired now.

Why are you none of those things? His opinion of you in any shape or form is not fact, it’s an opinion. People tell me I am too sensitive, too bossy, to relaxed to this and too that. It’s ok because it’s all perspective. People never really know the real you because they can only understand you via themselves, so it best to not rest your self worth in the hands of others. Why is this man’s opinion worth so much to you? What about all the people who’ve said you seem lovely?

TheAverageJoanne · 27/08/2025 08:39

Itsalittlewetout · 27/08/2025 08:28

Why are you none of those things? His opinion of you in any shape or form is not fact, it’s an opinion. People tell me I am too sensitive, too bossy, to relaxed to this and too that. It’s ok because it’s all perspective. People never really know the real you because they can only understand you via themselves, so it best to not rest your self worth in the hands of others. Why is this man’s opinion worth so much to you? What about all the people who’ve said you seem lovely?

I don't understand why the opinions of this absolute wanker are even worth considering. He sounds insane, no normal well balanced individual carries on like him. His opinions probably aren't even opinions, just random utterances designed to gaslight. And OP before you ask why would he do that, it's because he's a nutcase. X

Itsalittlewetout · 27/08/2025 08:50

TheAverageJoanne · 27/08/2025 08:39

I don't understand why the opinions of this absolute wanker are even worth considering. He sounds insane, no normal well balanced individual carries on like him. His opinions probably aren't even opinions, just random utterances designed to gaslight. And OP before you ask why would he do that, it's because he's a nutcase. X

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It’s literally the text book of how abusers work. They seek people whose self esteem is low and they get in their heads and replace the persons inner voice with their own. You don’t trust yourself anymore, all thoughts go via him, all opinions via him, everything via this one voice. It’s enmeshment. So when they pull away, as they always do you are not a whole person anymore. It’s horrible and it takes a lot of work to make yourself whole.
They tend to gravitate towards people who they can control because the victim is looking for someone to make them feel worthy. It’s a perfect lock for a key.

@YourBrickTiger the best way to avoid this happening in the future is to make sure that you are a whole person outside of a relationship. You don’t hold your self worth and self esteem within the relationship so that you are whole whether in or out of a relationship.

YourBrickTiger · 27/08/2025 13:10

Thanks guys. Have to confess something. I saw him yesterday and am literally on tenterhooks because I might see him tomorrow. It was completely unintentional. I had to go to the other office to pick something up and walked past him. I am polite so I said hello, but he was cold. Rewind to last week when he was 'hi, how are you? how have you been?' etc. It completely unbalances me and I am not at a point yet where I can walk away and it not affect me. I have no idea to this day how someone can have been intimate with me, said all the wonderful things he did and turn like this.

So I remain convinced it's my body and looks and that's why I value his opinion. If he was sleeping with me and if I'm NOT attractive to him that is turnful. It's horrible for me because I so wanted to please him and he behaved like he believed me to be attractive. He would take my hand in the office and rub it against his trousers and I could feel what was going on in there. He would text me to say he had a 'massive h on' and send me pics of his boxers shorts (while wearing them obviously). He told me I was a great kisser and that he enjoyed sex with me. He sent me a video of him masturbating as well. Why do all this if I'm ugly?

No matter how I tried to tell him how much I loved him and had done for such a long time even from a distance, it wasn't good enough. He would taunt me about dates he was going on (apparently) and they were always with his 'sister's friends who were going through a divorce too'. Nothing that I can see ever came of it. They don't seem interested but the person who loves him gets shit on. It's like I'm disgusting, dirty, some sort of abomination because I fell in love and have been so heavily criticised for it.

So there is a MASSIVE piece of the puzzle missing for me - and going by what you all say, that piece is that either that A) I'm a complete munter or B) he is just an abuser and relationships with him won't work.

Someone else in the team referred to me as a 'whale' once when I said I was going swimming. But as I was leaving last week, and said I was going to feed my cats, one of the other men winked at me and said 'you know I was talking about a different kind of pussy don't you?'

I know my head is not functioning normally due to everything that has happened in the past few years. I am very very paranoid at times, even if I see that 'the female' is off work but returning, for example, in time for an event 'he' (and others) is working at, all sorts of things go through my mind like 'she's doing this to work at that event too (she is the supervisor) just to annoy me. Or if she is off on AL and he's not on shift my head tells me they are having an affair. It's awful. She said to me last year that it looked good with new people in the team (all men) that there would be more nights out 'which is good' and I took it as a deliberate attempt to get at me. All the new guys are much younger than him but still. I'm just giving this as an example of how I'm being affected. She has described herself to me in the past as being a 'needy' person and I have witnessed this with her affair.

With regards to tomorrow, I hope to escape without seeing him but I am so nervous. She gives out this vibe like 'look at me look at me I'm in charge now' and it's like a show. And if she, him and the team walk in while I'm here I feel they're all here to attack me. They don't say or do anything per say - well he has played up in the past by embarrassing me in front of everyone - but it's more her act she puts on, a front like OH I'VE ARRIVED! And because she's HIS supervisor it makes me feel they're trying to deliberately upset me. All these scenarios go around in my head before anything has even happened. I have the scenarios all planned out about what will happen, what I will say etc before the day has even gotten here.

Maybe some things, some people never heal from. I'm so sorry to bring you all down again. I have been told by the counsellor that he is abusive, ticks most of the boxes, but it isn't sinking in. He knows I love him and it's like it's used as a stick to beat with me at every opportunity and to me that is just like saying 'you're an ugly cow....I know you love me but I wouldn't lower myself'. He told me he would go with me to places I'd been too sad and scared to go to since my Mum died. Then denied it all.

I am always always the girl in second place. Second for Head Girl, second for the acting role, second for the job, second for the friendships and now bottom place for him.

Sorry I'm such an unpredictable mess. I can't even listen to love songs without crying. Pathetic.

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Bittenonce · 27/08/2025 13:29

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CampCrow · 27/08/2025 13:35

If you want to get better you need to get a new job. I’m not trained in any way but it’s patently obvious that you can’t stay in your current job. If you stay where you are you are going to keep going round and around in circles. It’s a choice. You can choose to carry on suffering or you can do something to stop it.

ArsenicAlice · 27/08/2025 13:56

I am always always the girl in second place. Second for Head Girl, second for the acting role, second for the job, second for the friendships and now bottom place for him.

That is a very good place to be. Imagine being top of his charts, being his wife or partner! Here's a list of treats you'd have:
Abuse
Bullying
Rape/sexual assault
Manipulation
Off his box on drugs
Sulking and lying
Coercive control
Putting you down
Shagging other women or pretending he is
Gaslighting
Yelling at you
Making you doubt your own sanity
Threats
Blaming you for their actions
Mocking you, name calling, using nasty words about you

There would be more. Why is this what you want?

Thank your lucky stars. I would be glad to be in zillionth place in his affections, and that would not be far enough away for me.

ArsenicAlice · 27/08/2025 13:58

Who cares a bloody fig about this 'female' and what she thinks? Seek opinions of people who you value and who reciprocate it, not these toxic idiots who aren't fit to be in charge of a packet of crisps.

Why would YOU lower yourself to be anywhere near HIM with a 70foot bargepole? It's getting exasperating now.

IncessantNameChanger · 27/08/2025 14:01

I don't think you have enough experience of men. I dont mean in partners nessarly but observing men and how driven by their dicks they can be. They will say anything for a shag. Either he never meant any of it, some of it, or he just doesn't feel it anymore.

You do realise that scammers exist and they rob pensioners by charming them over the phone? And there's various degrees of lies from the police man who killed Sarah E right down to someone who doesn't scan a bag at a self service till? Everyone lies at times. To what degree they are willing to hurt others in a lie to get what they want varies.

I think I am neurodivergent and I don't say that lightly as I have been asked multiple times by multiple health professionals to go for Autism screening. So I'm the queen of "why do people not just say what they mean?" I hate it. I struggle with it massively. But I can struggle to understand it whilst excepting it's true. Like black holes. I don't understand them whilst believing they are real.

At some point you need to focus on now. Right now he has treated you like shit. You either want a chance again with him and are willing to ignore that and accept the possibility of more. Which I feel is where you are stuck to be honest. You want another shot. Maybe you need to be totally honest with yourself here and admit your willing to accept this kind of behaviour in return for some crumbs from him.

That's not a good place to be. Abusive men are drawn to that. If your shit-o-meter is set to zero tolerance you deflect the shit men as they move on to the more easy pray.

I'm sorry that's not easy to hear but you can't get over it unless you decide to change something. Only you have that power.

We can't tell you that he said it because he loved you deeply, no one lies ever and feelings never change so just wait it out to come good. Because it's not true.

Itsalittlewetout · 27/08/2025 14:06

He is too immature for you, he’s thinking from his pants and from a position where he is above you. You are a mature grown up human looking for connection and growth in a relationship. You will not be able to make sense of his thinking because you have grown beyond him, he’s a toddler in a grown up body. Hold your head up. In life we come into contact with hundreds of people who won’t like us, who will think we are too much of this and not enough of that, these are not your people. You have to learn how to bypass these people with little thought so that you can move on and find those who make you
feel good and whom you can make feel good.

TheAverageJoanne · 27/08/2025 14:06

It's B. Not A, it's B. Every time.

What pathetic managers and colleagues too. They all sound thick. What sort of education do they have? Especially this love god?

Itsalittlewetout · 27/08/2025 14:10

YourBrickTiger · 27/08/2025 13:10

Thanks guys. Have to confess something. I saw him yesterday and am literally on tenterhooks because I might see him tomorrow. It was completely unintentional. I had to go to the other office to pick something up and walked past him. I am polite so I said hello, but he was cold. Rewind to last week when he was 'hi, how are you? how have you been?' etc. It completely unbalances me and I am not at a point yet where I can walk away and it not affect me. I have no idea to this day how someone can have been intimate with me, said all the wonderful things he did and turn like this.

So I remain convinced it's my body and looks and that's why I value his opinion. If he was sleeping with me and if I'm NOT attractive to him that is turnful. It's horrible for me because I so wanted to please him and he behaved like he believed me to be attractive. He would take my hand in the office and rub it against his trousers and I could feel what was going on in there. He would text me to say he had a 'massive h on' and send me pics of his boxers shorts (while wearing them obviously). He told me I was a great kisser and that he enjoyed sex with me. He sent me a video of him masturbating as well. Why do all this if I'm ugly?

No matter how I tried to tell him how much I loved him and had done for such a long time even from a distance, it wasn't good enough. He would taunt me about dates he was going on (apparently) and they were always with his 'sister's friends who were going through a divorce too'. Nothing that I can see ever came of it. They don't seem interested but the person who loves him gets shit on. It's like I'm disgusting, dirty, some sort of abomination because I fell in love and have been so heavily criticised for it.

So there is a MASSIVE piece of the puzzle missing for me - and going by what you all say, that piece is that either that A) I'm a complete munter or B) he is just an abuser and relationships with him won't work.

Someone else in the team referred to me as a 'whale' once when I said I was going swimming. But as I was leaving last week, and said I was going to feed my cats, one of the other men winked at me and said 'you know I was talking about a different kind of pussy don't you?'

I know my head is not functioning normally due to everything that has happened in the past few years. I am very very paranoid at times, even if I see that 'the female' is off work but returning, for example, in time for an event 'he' (and others) is working at, all sorts of things go through my mind like 'she's doing this to work at that event too (she is the supervisor) just to annoy me. Or if she is off on AL and he's not on shift my head tells me they are having an affair. It's awful. She said to me last year that it looked good with new people in the team (all men) that there would be more nights out 'which is good' and I took it as a deliberate attempt to get at me. All the new guys are much younger than him but still. I'm just giving this as an example of how I'm being affected. She has described herself to me in the past as being a 'needy' person and I have witnessed this with her affair.

With regards to tomorrow, I hope to escape without seeing him but I am so nervous. She gives out this vibe like 'look at me look at me I'm in charge now' and it's like a show. And if she, him and the team walk in while I'm here I feel they're all here to attack me. They don't say or do anything per say - well he has played up in the past by embarrassing me in front of everyone - but it's more her act she puts on, a front like OH I'VE ARRIVED! And because she's HIS supervisor it makes me feel they're trying to deliberately upset me. All these scenarios go around in my head before anything has even happened. I have the scenarios all planned out about what will happen, what I will say etc before the day has even gotten here.

Maybe some things, some people never heal from. I'm so sorry to bring you all down again. I have been told by the counsellor that he is abusive, ticks most of the boxes, but it isn't sinking in. He knows I love him and it's like it's used as a stick to beat with me at every opportunity and to me that is just like saying 'you're an ugly cow....I know you love me but I wouldn't lower myself'. He told me he would go with me to places I'd been too sad and scared to go to since my Mum died. Then denied it all.

I am always always the girl in second place. Second for Head Girl, second for the acting role, second for the job, second for the friendships and now bottom place for him.

Sorry I'm such an unpredictable mess. I can't even listen to love songs without crying. Pathetic.

Your place within these parameters are not a reflection of anything whatsoever. You are always top of the charts for being you. When you start to see that you are the best you and the only you in the whole world others will come and reflect this. You will not accept anything that does not reflect your inherent value.

Terrribletwos · 27/08/2025 14:34

YourBrickTiger · 27/08/2025 13:10

Thanks guys. Have to confess something. I saw him yesterday and am literally on tenterhooks because I might see him tomorrow. It was completely unintentional. I had to go to the other office to pick something up and walked past him. I am polite so I said hello, but he was cold. Rewind to last week when he was 'hi, how are you? how have you been?' etc. It completely unbalances me and I am not at a point yet where I can walk away and it not affect me. I have no idea to this day how someone can have been intimate with me, said all the wonderful things he did and turn like this.

So I remain convinced it's my body and looks and that's why I value his opinion. If he was sleeping with me and if I'm NOT attractive to him that is turnful. It's horrible for me because I so wanted to please him and he behaved like he believed me to be attractive. He would take my hand in the office and rub it against his trousers and I could feel what was going on in there. He would text me to say he had a 'massive h on' and send me pics of his boxers shorts (while wearing them obviously). He told me I was a great kisser and that he enjoyed sex with me. He sent me a video of him masturbating as well. Why do all this if I'm ugly?

No matter how I tried to tell him how much I loved him and had done for such a long time even from a distance, it wasn't good enough. He would taunt me about dates he was going on (apparently) and they were always with his 'sister's friends who were going through a divorce too'. Nothing that I can see ever came of it. They don't seem interested but the person who loves him gets shit on. It's like I'm disgusting, dirty, some sort of abomination because I fell in love and have been so heavily criticised for it.

So there is a MASSIVE piece of the puzzle missing for me - and going by what you all say, that piece is that either that A) I'm a complete munter or B) he is just an abuser and relationships with him won't work.

Someone else in the team referred to me as a 'whale' once when I said I was going swimming. But as I was leaving last week, and said I was going to feed my cats, one of the other men winked at me and said 'you know I was talking about a different kind of pussy don't you?'

I know my head is not functioning normally due to everything that has happened in the past few years. I am very very paranoid at times, even if I see that 'the female' is off work but returning, for example, in time for an event 'he' (and others) is working at, all sorts of things go through my mind like 'she's doing this to work at that event too (she is the supervisor) just to annoy me. Or if she is off on AL and he's not on shift my head tells me they are having an affair. It's awful. She said to me last year that it looked good with new people in the team (all men) that there would be more nights out 'which is good' and I took it as a deliberate attempt to get at me. All the new guys are much younger than him but still. I'm just giving this as an example of how I'm being affected. She has described herself to me in the past as being a 'needy' person and I have witnessed this with her affair.

With regards to tomorrow, I hope to escape without seeing him but I am so nervous. She gives out this vibe like 'look at me look at me I'm in charge now' and it's like a show. And if she, him and the team walk in while I'm here I feel they're all here to attack me. They don't say or do anything per say - well he has played up in the past by embarrassing me in front of everyone - but it's more her act she puts on, a front like OH I'VE ARRIVED! And because she's HIS supervisor it makes me feel they're trying to deliberately upset me. All these scenarios go around in my head before anything has even happened. I have the scenarios all planned out about what will happen, what I will say etc before the day has even gotten here.

Maybe some things, some people never heal from. I'm so sorry to bring you all down again. I have been told by the counsellor that he is abusive, ticks most of the boxes, but it isn't sinking in. He knows I love him and it's like it's used as a stick to beat with me at every opportunity and to me that is just like saying 'you're an ugly cow....I know you love me but I wouldn't lower myself'. He told me he would go with me to places I'd been too sad and scared to go to since my Mum died. Then denied it all.

I am always always the girl in second place. Second for Head Girl, second for the acting role, second for the job, second for the friendships and now bottom place for him.

Sorry I'm such an unpredictable mess. I can't even listen to love songs without crying. Pathetic.

@YourBrickTiger he probably did all that in your 1st paragraph whilst coked out of his head. He's a substance abuser so nothing makes any sense to him or you. He's a coke head. You're a good person who's been fucked up by a coke head..keep that in mind at all times.

Terrribletwos · 27/08/2025 14:36

P.S. and your other co workers sound fucked up too btw.

YourBrickTiger · 27/08/2025 15:50

Thanks everyone. @ArsenicAlice I apologise for you being exasperated, not my intention. I was encouraged to keep talking so I have to base everything on how I feel day to day.

I keep remembering things which may suggest it was my fault. Remember I told you about the mistake I made on the social media site with the 'like' and he said I was stalking his ex - it was a mistake as she popped up as a friend suggestion. This was just after he ran out on our first date. I apologised and apologised and he told me to F* OFF at work? Please forgive me but what if he isn't abusive and this ONE mistake caused all of this? He eventually said he had forgiven me and we went on to be with each other but what I planted a seed of doubt there with that mistake which he couldn't get past? I did everything I could to apologise and to let him know how much he meant to me.

My co workers are pretty messed up yes. Another one just the other day said I had given him an erection just by standing beside him.

I'm so sorry everyone. If it means anything I do appreciate your ongoing support and kindness.

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Sunflowers67 · 27/08/2025 16:12

Please, please and please again - get out of this workplace.
Just have a little scout around, see what is going, even get an interview practice somewhere - just get out.
You will heal so much better away from this toxic man, workplace, colleagues, environment.
And keep all these videos, messages, any evidence and when you leave - report the lot of them. There is a website called 'Glassdoor' - reviews of workplaces from people that work/have worked there.
Oh I'd have some fun on there :-)

Probably not a good idea to do it whilst you are still there - may be too telling - but my goodness they are making my blood boil.

ArsenicAlice · 27/08/2025 16:14

No don't worry @YourBrickTiger it's a process, it'll take time, but you do have to start with realising this guy is seriously messed up in so many ways. No need to apologise. I'm exasperated at the workplace, more than at you! They are serious weirdos.

That comment about having an erection is the same kind of things that people have lost their jobs over saying. It is just not normal.

Bittenonce · 27/08/2025 16:17

YourBrickTiger · 27/08/2025 15:50

Thanks everyone. @ArsenicAlice I apologise for you being exasperated, not my intention. I was encouraged to keep talking so I have to base everything on how I feel day to day.

I keep remembering things which may suggest it was my fault. Remember I told you about the mistake I made on the social media site with the 'like' and he said I was stalking his ex - it was a mistake as she popped up as a friend suggestion. This was just after he ran out on our first date. I apologised and apologised and he told me to F* OFF at work? Please forgive me but what if he isn't abusive and this ONE mistake caused all of this? He eventually said he had forgiven me and we went on to be with each other but what I planted a seed of doubt there with that mistake which he couldn't get past? I did everything I could to apologise and to let him know how much he meant to me.

My co workers are pretty messed up yes. Another one just the other day said I had given him an erection just by standing beside him.

I'm so sorry everyone. If it means anything I do appreciate your ongoing support and kindness.

FFS
He is abusive, there was nothing to apologise for. You didn’t cause it, he is just a bad person.
Your coworkers - in most places would be sacked. Should be. It’s not 1975, nobody should have to put up with this.
Now please please listen to what everyone is telling you, believe them. Nobody here has anything except your best interests at heart, no other agenda. But it needs you to believe in yourself, and to see that ‘he’ and your shitty coworkers are not worth the tiniest part of your headspace. I just wish I knew how to help you see and hear that, because it doesn’t seem to matter what decent people say, you keep twisting it round to make it your fault, to give credibility to the people who deserve none.

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