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YourBrickTiger · 15/07/2025 14:23

Hi - I am just hoping for a little help here...haven't been through a situation like I'm currently experiencing and it's very painful to the point of making me sick.

If I can kindly ask that no one advises against workplace romances, as I work with several couples, some of whom are married and even one who is divorced. I know a lot of people in my place of work who met here and are now married and still working together. So I thought it was ok for me too.

I don't have a support system. My parents have both passed away and friends that I do have keep everything at a surface level, which has made me unable to discuss this, therefore I apologise in advance for the length. I can't face anymore harsh criticism, so if you don't have time to read this as I understand it is very long, or you are critical of me, please be kind. I'm blaming myself enough.

I met a man, a colleague who I really liked, about 8 years ago, admired from afar as he was married and never gave it much thought other than I thought he was a really nice decent man. A few years after we started working together, he told me that his second marriage was on the rocks and that he felt unlovable. I told him that I thought he was very lovable and made a joke that if I'd marry him if they were to split. Again, didn't pay it too much mind and thought nothing would ever happen, went about my life. Another few years passed without incident.

As Covid was coming to an end, and with his marriage over, we had been getting on very well at work and one night out of the blue, he rang me and we talked for 5 hours about everything and anything. I had been single for a long time after an abusive relationship with a man from outside the UK who just disappeared on me one night after living together for almost a year. At this point, I hadn't had a relationship in 11 years and wasn't looking but I was really really drawn to this guy at work. We had a lovely conversation but again, nothing much to report afterward.

A couple of months later, I plucked up the courage to ask him if he'd like to have another phonecall (facetime). We were essential workers and still in the cloud of the pandemic so thought this was the best approach. I wasn't prepared for his response. At this point he was 49 years old, he stood up, started to rub his chest, said 'oh God no no...oh no...this is making me really uncomfortable...' and left the room. I had rehearsed this in my head all day waiting for the right moment and this happened. I was completely mortified, hurt and eventually went home and beat myself up for not being cool enough or maybe even good enough for him. When I woke up the next morning he had called me three times and sent me messages to see if I was ok. I texted back how shocked I was and how I had obviously misread the signals, but told him he was someone I had grown to like very much and that it wasn't my intention to upset or scare him. When I got back to work a few days later, he'd stopped speaking to me.

This went on for a couple of weeks so I just kept my head down and got on with it. Another two weeks passed and all of a sudden, he was trying to make me laugh again, which he always could. I was relieved he seemed ok, but just left him to it. We started to get on better, and for his 50th I bought him a silly gift, no one else in his life seemed to make an effort, so I wanted to do something for him. On one of our dates he told me that his friends dog had used it as a chew toy. (It was a bottle opener made from wood).

We would be here all year if I told you the full story but although he and his wife didn't divorce, they separated, and he said he wanted nothing to do with women for a year. This to me was fine and healthy but he made a huge announcement to me about it. Feeling it safe, I said 'well if after that year is up, would you like to have a coffee with me?' and he said 'yes...I will have a think about that'.

No more than 2 weeks passed, when we were alone and he asked me out. I was elated! We set a date and he was calling me and texting me in the build up to it. All his nerves seemed to have gone. He sent me photos of himself, went through my socials and complimented me on my photos. He even sent me a few intimate pics. In work that day he kissed me for the first time.

We had arranged for him to come to my home, as I knew him so well this wasn't an issue and we were going to have a few drinks. I made a real effort, scrubbed the house until it was shining, and made myself look really nice, I thought. He arrived at the time we arranged. We sat down for our first drink and he immediately started to become nervous again. He admitted to being nervous and I just soothed him, telling him to relax, it was just me etc...but he said 'no no I have to leave'. He was only with me despite the massive build up for 5 minutes. I was completely and totally distraught and thought it must be something to do with my looks, or weight etc. I'm not stick thin and quite curvy but he had been paying me so many compliments I thought he was attracted.

I had the awful situation of having to face him again in work but I just tried to walk past him with a brief hello. It was agonising - he did attempt a short apology but in his words it was 'sorry about everything I just got all'...and made this funny noise that you would make as if you were shivering or something.

I had developed feelings by this point but just had to try to get on with it. I was hit with various other awful things like him accusing me of stalking one of his exes. He blew up at me in work as I had clicked on her profile when she came up as a friend suggestion. It was genuine. She is friends with my cousin and I have family in the area he is from. He defriended me from facebook as I had clicked 'like' on this ladies nails, and then once I realised who she was I unliked it. Thinking no harm done, but he found out. He was SO angry with me. It crushed me that he had deleted me and when I tried to explain the family connection, he put his hand up in front of me and said 'I don't want to hear it'. When I said 'Please let me explain!' he shouted 'F* off' at me infront of my colleagues.

There is a lot of other stuff that has happened but that Christmas he approached me again after he started talking to me again and we slept together. He told me he knew how much I had fallen for him and that he just needed time as he admitted he didn't know what he was doing with his life. I told him to take all the time he needed. A few days later, he stopped speaking to me again. He approached me for another date which I agreed to and at the time he was due to meet me, he cancelled, saying he wasn't quite ready.

Then he came round again - this time my idea I admit it as I couldn't let him go. We became more involved and he came to my home, asked to see my family albums, made me promises about holidays, the future, said I didn't have to be concerned about money anymore (I'm very independent so it isn't a money issue anyway but was nice to have support). We were close, talking on the phone, being intimate, he even said 'imagine how everyone in work will feel when they find out we've been together for like 8 months' or something..! He told me he wanted me to meet his family, and let me facetime with his sister. It was clear she knew who I was and paid me lots of compliments, telling me she only wanted him to be happy. I said I would never hurt him and would always try to make him happy. He told his sister that I would do anything for him and he told me he felt I was his soulmate. He told other people (who told me) that he had told them he knew I had fallen for him and that I was a lovely girl who would make a wonderful wife.

On the day we were due to meet his family, his whole demeanour changed. We woke up and even his facial expressions were different. He said 'I have to go now' and when I enquired about the family he said 'we'll do it another time'. He assured me he wasn't coming back but I didn't hear from him for 5 days. He sent a text to say he wanted to be alone, he didn't love me, he knew I loved him, that all it was was 'sex and a drink', and that he knew I'd react badly and he had to go because I was stressing him out.

I totally and completely fell apart but managed to sort of hold it together at work. Despite his text, a month later he approached me again, asking for another chance and when I asked him why he had told me he didn't want me, his explanation was that he had just freaked out because he knew I had such deep feelings. Of course I agreed. Nearly as soon as I agreed, he turned cold. Despite the fact we'd made a date, he became cold with me. When I asked him why, he said 'I'm not going back there, I can't do it'.

This was the only time that I visibly cracked at work. Someone saw me crying and told my colleague who told him. He became so so angry with me that he arranged a meeting with me and my boss in which he said in front of my boss 'I did not make love to you - I f*** you'. My boss said nothing. He told me he could 'get any girl in a bar and take her home' and told me that I had caused him a total nightmare.

I took some time off work and when I returned I didn't go near him. But apparently made one fatal mistake. I borrowed his coffee cup. One day when I forgot my own, I used his. Washed it thoroughly and put it back. He found out about this too because someone started to tease him about me using it and he apparently laughed. But with me it was a different story. He took the cup home and said 'I don't like anyone using my stuff'. Despite having been in my home etc.

For the next month he stopped talking to me and texted my colleagues to say things like 'Tell her I'm hiding in the toilets' or 'has she gone yet?'. I was so devastated because all I had done was borrowed a cup. I hadn't bothered him, begged him, stalked him, annoyed him, nothing at all. I had left him alone. I begged my boss to talk to him, to get him to stop and he said he would not speak to him, but would keep an eye on it. It continued for over a month with no help until I begged my boss. I was so humiliated and because of this, decided to move to a different department.

On the day that I moved, the guy was coming out of the department I work in. I don't know why he was there but he shouted 'Good luck in the new job!' at me and walked on. I have rarely seen him since but if I do bump into him he is very nice, talkative wants to show me pictures on his phone etc. I do not understand this behaviour. He was hiding from me, but now he's being nice?

Because of everything that has happened, I have become a shell of myself. I work alone now, with very little interaction with anyone, I've isolated myself and feel like everyone hates me or doesn't want me around. He has remained in his position, which I guess is down to me as I didn't make a fuss as I would never have wanted him to be hurt. So I've carried it all. I felt I had up to a point a good relationship with my former boss but he didn't speak out for me or help me with some of the language that was used, the hiding in the toilets and the silent treatment that the guy inflicted in work. I've heard rumours of being called names like Baby Reindeer which I never was. I never stalked him, called him repeatedly, went to his home, didn't do anything harmful to him at all. He said that 'you went about it all the wrong way'. I have never asked a guy out before so that was a huge knock.

His kids don't talk to him anymore and I had hoped he would be able to reconcile whatever happened with my help but it's never happened. He told me his ex wife has turned them against him.

I've come away thinking that I'm a freak, that there is something the matter with me because I fell for someone who I genuinely liked. It is killing me, I've had to have therapy but nothing is convincing me that I didn't cause this by loving him and by believing he was just scared and giving so many chances. There are days I just don't cope at all, then days I really do, and days I really miss him so so much. I believed he was a different man, I still do believe he's lost and afraid but I don't know why he had to do this to someone who had been so kind to him and loving for so long, even when we weren't together. My fear is now that I'm no good for anyone and never will be. I'm 49 now and can't get past it. No matter what I try to do it's like a black cloud hanging over me. I really doubt myself now, all my interactions with people and fear because I'm not picture perfect, or picture thin that this happened to me due to that. To me he is very handsome, so maybe that's it? I am so scared for my future now, and my health is declining. I didn't know it was such a crime to be in love but if someone does hide from me in the bathroom, it surely means I'm repulsive? Out of everything I had shared with him and everything he knew, the hiding is probably the worst. I have thought of ending my life because if I am that bad what is the point, but I am trying to believe that maybe this isn't my fault? I just don't know anymore and thank you from the bottom of my heart to anyone who takes the time to read this and for letting me talk.

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ArsenicAlice · 27/08/2025 16:17

Remember I told you about the mistake I made on the social media site with the 'like' and he said I was stalking his ex - it was a mistake as she popped up as a friend suggestion. This was just after he ran out on our first date. I apologised and apologised and he told me to F* OFF at work? Please forgive me but what if he isn't abusive and this ONE mistake caused all of this?
No you didn't cause him to be abusive. He is an abuser by nature because that's who he is. It's not appropriate to tell anyone to fuck off in the workplace.

He eventually said he had forgiven me and we went on to be with each other but what I planted a seed of doubt there with that mistake which he couldn't get past? I did everything I could to apologise and to let him know how much he meant to me.
You didn't do anything wrong, if you are friends with someone on Fb their friends pop up as friend suggestions. Even your first date, he failed at that.

YourBrickTiger · 27/08/2025 16:53

ArsenicAlice · 27/08/2025 16:17

Remember I told you about the mistake I made on the social media site with the 'like' and he said I was stalking his ex - it was a mistake as she popped up as a friend suggestion. This was just after he ran out on our first date. I apologised and apologised and he told me to F* OFF at work? Please forgive me but what if he isn't abusive and this ONE mistake caused all of this?
No you didn't cause him to be abusive. He is an abuser by nature because that's who he is. It's not appropriate to tell anyone to fuck off in the workplace.

He eventually said he had forgiven me and we went on to be with each other but what I planted a seed of doubt there with that mistake which he couldn't get past? I did everything I could to apologise and to let him know how much he meant to me.
You didn't do anything wrong, if you are friends with someone on Fb their friends pop up as friend suggestions. Even your first date, he failed at that.

Thanks for answering that part. The strangest things and memories will pop into my head and it will be 'what if that is why?' and the thought just won't go away until I talk about it. He was SO angry about it. He deleted me as a friend so I would see he'd done it then knew I would question him then wouldn't even listen to me when I tried to explain. He said he would never add me as a friend again and he never did. He blocked me instead. Over that.

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Gymnopedie · 27/08/2025 17:01

OP there is nothing wrong with you and everything wrong with him. He is utterly, utterly vile and cruel and your only mistake is thinking that he's a nice person long after the evidence says he's anything but.

You deserved none of this. And nothing you'd done or not done would have made the slightest difference to the outcome. Will he find someone and be the perfect gentleman? Well you can never say never but I'm happy to bet my last pot of face cream that you aren't the first woman he's done this to and you won't be the last. To him women are just pieces of meat to fuck, but they have the added advantage that as they are living breathing humans who have feelings and emotions he gets to behave in ways that leave them despairing and at its worst suicidal. When he came back so many times it wasn't because he wanted to be with you. It was because he was taunting you. It wasn't because he loved you. He loved knowing what it was doing to you. Because he's sick and twisted. It wouldn't have made any difference if you'd been morbidly obese or a size 8 stunner. Or anything else. The only point of you was that you wanted to be with him so you were the perfect opportunity for him to play his sadistic games on.

Please...let him go. Build a wall round yourself that he can't get through. Learn to love and value yourself for who and what you are. And try to leave that godawful toxic workplace.

Finally I'll say it again. You did nothing wrong. He abused you because he's an abuser. Don't try to find anything to blame yourself for because there is nothing. You're not a bad person, he is. He behaved how he did because that's who he is. You're driving yourself crazy trying to make it all fit, or work out where the gaps are. I'll tell you how it fits - he is depraved. End of.

NotOurCat · 27/08/2025 17:11

Gently, is this thread helping you? If it is, that's great. Please keep posting. But I am a bit worried that you're going over and over things and spiralling a bit. The ladies on this thread are all trying to help you and we all want the best for you. But, that best- it isn't him and it isn't that cesspit of a workplace. How the police haven't been called I can't imagine, in any normal workplace they'd be sacked on the spot.

You have been unfortunate enough to meet a human who enjoys hurting people mentally and emotionally. He likes it, it feeds something in him and if it hadn't been you it would have been someone else. It's like putting your hand in a meat grinder- it'll hurt you plenty, but the meat grinder doesn't care. These people do what they do because they are human meatgrinders. It's. Not. You.

YourBrickTiger · 27/08/2025 17:27

Gymnopedie · 27/08/2025 17:01

OP there is nothing wrong with you and everything wrong with him. He is utterly, utterly vile and cruel and your only mistake is thinking that he's a nice person long after the evidence says he's anything but.

You deserved none of this. And nothing you'd done or not done would have made the slightest difference to the outcome. Will he find someone and be the perfect gentleman? Well you can never say never but I'm happy to bet my last pot of face cream that you aren't the first woman he's done this to and you won't be the last. To him women are just pieces of meat to fuck, but they have the added advantage that as they are living breathing humans who have feelings and emotions he gets to behave in ways that leave them despairing and at its worst suicidal. When he came back so many times it wasn't because he wanted to be with you. It was because he was taunting you. It wasn't because he loved you. He loved knowing what it was doing to you. Because he's sick and twisted. It wouldn't have made any difference if you'd been morbidly obese or a size 8 stunner. Or anything else. The only point of you was that you wanted to be with him so you were the perfect opportunity for him to play his sadistic games on.

Please...let him go. Build a wall round yourself that he can't get through. Learn to love and value yourself for who and what you are. And try to leave that godawful toxic workplace.

Finally I'll say it again. You did nothing wrong. He abused you because he's an abuser. Don't try to find anything to blame yourself for because there is nothing. You're not a bad person, he is. He behaved how he did because that's who he is. You're driving yourself crazy trying to make it all fit, or work out where the gaps are. I'll tell you how it fits - he is depraved. End of.

Thank you so much @Gymnopedie . I know there was a woman quite a long time ago who he told me 'I didn't love her' (the usual) but someone else informed me that the very second she started to get serious and put 'demands' on him he legged it and never went back. I just feel so sad all the time and apart from the people here and my counsellor no one believes me so I've almost had to bury my own pain as I don't feel it's justified but it is ALWAYS there. I AM IN PAIN but because he swept it under the carpet I don't feel justified and I feel like such a twat for even feeling suicidal at times. Sometimes I do wonder if I did go, what he would say.

What's wrong with loving someone? Loving them so deeply? I never will again. All of his actions have made me feel that I am the issue for caring, for wanting so badly for him to be with me. I TRIED to do everything right and go at his pace. It's obvious how I felt, but what's wrong with telling someone you think they are special?

The thought of him being with someone else is so painful. I just imagine this person to be younger, fitter, more beautiful with the perfect body. I know that he won't find anyone who will care as deeply as I do, but do you really mean it when you say you'd bet your last pot of face cream that he won't suddenly be a knight in shining armour? I mean if he let his kids go...his second wife didn't even speak English.

To anyone who (and most of you very kindly haven't) doubted me or why I'm feeling like this, the things he has done have made me feel it must be me as Julia Roberts said in Pretty Woman 'If someone puts you down often enough you start to believe it'. I was accused of everything from trying to 'control him to love me' and then he cruelly said 'you can't make someone love you', after only a short time together when all I was doing was trying to get to know him on a deeper level. According to him I did everything wrong and I genuinely don't understand why he would want to destroy a person who only wanted the very best for him. Thanks for answering and sorry for waffling on.

Also wtf do I do if I have to see him tomorrow? I'm already panicking.

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IncessantNameChanger · 27/08/2025 17:50

OP everyone makes mistakes and decent people get over it. I have been with my dh for over three decades. Met as kids. Never has he called me a pitch, slag etc or threatened me. Imagine the fuck ups you make in 30 years and four kids together? So much shit under our bridge. Never he he threatened me.

Me and my adult eldest son had a massive falling out when he walked out of uni. You just say look it's done now let's crack on and that's what we did. He is going to back to uni next month and I just said to him if he goes silent on me again and cutting his money off, let's call it emotional blackmail and we just burst out laughing. Be safe and secure in any relationship is about feeling free to talk bollocks. Not to watch your every word. It's saying something wrong, acknowledging it and learning from it stronger. Like with my son. He called me out not fully supporting his desision to drop out. I told him it was too big an ask to be happy about it but I wasn't fuming either. We have compromised on better communication every week this year at uni and put it behind us.

Never had I promised him that I will just tell what he wants to hear to kerp the peace or apologise for having an opinion.

Is any of this helping?

I just want to say that lots of of us are fucking up daily being less than perfect without being crucified for it. How can you be true to yourself in all of this? I have told my son I'm his mum. That's my job. If I want to be true to myself I'm his mum first his mate second. Let his mates blow air up his arse. That's not my primary job in our relation IF I WANT TO BE HAPPY in that particular relationship. Ie I'm answering to my own standard. Ds doesn't need to be happy with a mum who agrees with everything and simpers over him. I'm going to upset him and get it wrong. There's no three strikes and your out. I will be fucking up until my last breath. Same with dh who often gets so much so wrong. I'm not filling every mistake away to throw back at them.

TheAverageJoanne · 27/08/2025 18:03

The thought of him being with someone else should be painful because no woman deserves him. Feel very very sorry for his next girlfriend victim.

Any woman who is young, beautiful, fit with a perfect body will soon see through a twat like him and dump him.

Gymnopedie · 27/08/2025 18:34

Hi OP

Yes I absolutely meant what I said about my last pot of face cream. I'll go further. There's more chance of me flying to Mars than there is of him turning into a good, decent human.

There's nothing wrong with loving someone. There's nothing wrong with wanting to be with someone. But sometimes that someone turns out to be a 100% shit. And no amount of loving them or wanting to be with them will make them not be. You were unlucky, you loved one of those.

The frog turning into a prince, the cold arrogant man falling for the orphan girl and discovering love and humanity - they only happen in fiction. This man is a truly vile specimen of manhood and always will be. Your love, however great, couldn't make him different. Because he doesn't want to be different. He revels in cruelty.

NameChanged020756 · 27/08/2025 18:48

OP , hope you don't mind some tough love ? as I have been following this thread for a few days now and I understand in many ways what you are going through having developed long term feelings over a decade for a abusive man. But I don't think what the others are trying to say to you is getting through. And that's because perhaps you need more plain speaking esp. if ADHD/Autistic/ND. The below are facts okay. Please read them slowly and let yourself take the facts in.

  1. You have very very low esteem because of extremely poor body image. You literally hate your Size 16/18 body. And believe that this extremely horrific man that you like would have behaved nicely or been infatuated back in turn , if only and if only you were a size 8, and you cant stop ruminating on that. Yes, may be so ? wanting black or white answers in this human existence which is a million shades of grey , can become a mental disorder if you are not more self aware of it. Could i be diagnosed with cancer next week ? Yes, may be so. No one can tell me with absolute surety that I wont. I must live with doubts. As must you. As must all of us humans. As someone who is in a size 8 almost all through my 20s and 30s with nice hair and features, and yet was treated extremely poorly by multiple men in my life, I can only tell you that in my experience being a size 8 is no protection against abusive men. Some men hate women, regardless of size. Because they are dark people who mostly hate themselves.
  2. You dont like yourself , because of your size. Because you keep asking if it is you /your personality/your size etc that drove him away. And yet you get upset when you get any response other than no it wasnt your fault. for a while till you spiral again and want the same reassurances. Please don't get upset with me if this sounds harsh. We have all been in similar situations for a while , during low times, in one way or the other. Would this guy have treated you any better if you had been a size 6 or 8 ? maybe ? maybe not ? maybe for a while, then reverted to type ? In my experience, men treat women well not based on looks in general, but they treat a woman EXACTLY with as much respect as the woman treats herself. I have been disrespected in the past because I allowed it. It takes a few seconds to walk away to a new environment where I can then engage only with people who are respectful.
  3. It doesnt matter if he would have treated you better had you talked/walked/looked/smelt different. Someone who would increase the abuse level based on the victim's appearance or vulnerability is still a bad person. Doesnt matter how handsome you think he is (the whole asking you to get on your knees at the workplace and sniff him (ew?) thing gave me major ick, but I get you were and are attracted to his looks and personality maybe because you have an attraction to dominant men which isnt bad in itelf , a man can be dominant in the bedroom with consent and still kind and respectful at other times). The fact that you know objectively or would realise objectively (if you werent so obsessed in your self hatred and self flaggelation / reassurance seeking cycle ) that he is not a nice person and no woman would want to be with a man who is not being respectful and kind and decent (unless they hated themselves on some level).
  4. I recognise you need time to heal - but also that the healing process is not starting while you are still seeing him everyday and ruminating - so the best thing right now to take your mind of it would perhaps be to , aside from continuing therapy and going for new hobbies/classes to make new friends (who are also single/divorced , restarting life in their 40s , on a similar wavelength) , it may well not be a poor idea for you to start dating again using OLD perhaps. At the very least, I think this will help with getting over the loser at work you like so much.

I really cant believe that ppl masturbating at the workplace etc would happen in a corporate environment like a bank or a legal services firm or any other place I am familiar with. I went from imagining police stations , to ER /A&E environments where frontline staff (I think you did say essential worker in your original post now that I recall) are seeing life and death hang in the balance literally all around and these foibles like saying ' I just fucked her' to your boss in a meeting by this man , were taken as excusable as part of the extremely high levels of environmental stress.

ArsenicAlice · 28/08/2025 10:57

@YourBrickTiger I've gone back to your OP and read through it and made some comments below as I had forgotten how the story started.

I met a man, a colleague who I really liked, about 8 years ago, admired from afar as he was married and never gave it much thought other than I thought he was a really nice decent man.
What did he do to demonstrate he was nice and decent? What made you think that about him? When did the willy waving and foul sexual innuendo and things begin? Had this happened already?

No more than 2 weeks passed, when we were alone and he asked me out. I was elated! We set a date and he was calling me and texting me in the build up to it. All his nerves seemed to have gone. He sent me photos of himself, went through my socials and complimented me on my photos. He even sent me a few intimate pics.
This is really inappropriate from him at such an early stage. If I had pictures like that from a work colleague (which is all he was at this point) they would be reported immediately. He also should not be kissing you or anyone in the workplace!

I had the awful situation of having to face him again in work but I just tried to walk past him with a brief hello. It was agonising - he did attempt a short apology but in his words it was 'sorry about everything I just got all'...and made this funny noise that you would make as if you were shivering or something.
He is just playing silly buggers with all this. Game playing.

I had developed feelings by this point but just had to try to get on with it. I was hit with various other awful things like him accusing me of stalking one of his exes. He blew up at me in work as I had clicked on her profile when she came up as a friend suggestion. It was genuine. She is friends with my cousin and I have family in the area he is from. He defriended me from Facebook as I had clicked 'like' on this ladies nails, and then once I realised who she was I unliked it. Thinking no harm done, but he found out. He was SO angry with me. It crushed me that he had deleted me and when I tried to explain the family connection, he put his hand up in front of me and said 'I don't want to hear it'. When I said 'Please let me explain!' he shouted 'F* off' at me in front of my colleagues.
Totally inappropriate, over the top reaction and inappropriate in the workplace. Should have been reported (I know you wouldn’t at the time as you wanted to be with him)

There is a lot of other stuff that has happened but that Christmas he approached me again after he started talking to me again and we slept together. He told me he knew how much I had fallen for him and that he just needed time as he admitted he didn't know what he was doing with his life. I told him to take all the time he needed. A few days later, he stopped speaking to me again. He approached me for another date which I agreed to and at the time he was due to meet me, he cancelled, saying he wasn't quite ready.
Lying, gaslighting, manipulating, playing games with you. Not about you, about him.

He told other people (who told me) that he had told them he knew I had fallen for him and that I was a lovely girl who would make a wonderful wife.
On the day we were due to meet his family, his whole demeanour changed.
Game playing, gaslighting, etc. Look up the Freedom Programme the headworker.

We woke up and even his facial expressions were different. He said 'I have to go now' and when I enquired about the family he said 'we'll do it another time'. He assured me he wasn't coming back but I didn't hear from him for 5 days. He sent a text to say he wanted to be alone, he didn't love me, he knew I loved him, that all it was was 'sex and a drink', and that he knew I'd react badly and he had to go because I was stressing him out.
As above

I totally and completely fell apart but managed to sort of hold it together at work. He became so so angry with me that he arranged a meeting with me and my boss in which he said in front of my boss 'I did not make love to you - I f*** you'. My boss said nothing. He told me he could 'get any girl in a bar and take her home' and told me that I had caused him a total nightmare.
Your then boss is totally ineffectual. You should (not telling you off here, you wouldn’t have thought of it) had a union rep with you.

I took some time off work and when I returned I didn't go near him. But apparently made one fatal mistake. I borrowed his coffee cup. One day when I forgot my own, I used his. Washed it thoroughly and put it back. He found out about this too because someone started to tease him about me using it and he apparently laughed. But with me it was a different story. He took the cup home and said 'I don't like anyone using my stuff'. Despite having been in my home etc. For the next month he stopped talking to me and texted my colleagues to say things like 'Tell her I'm hiding in the toilets' or 'has she gone yet?'. I was so devastated because all I had done was borrowed a cup. I hadn't bothered him, begged him, stalked him, annoyed him, nothing at all. I had left him alone. I begged my boss to talk to him, to get him to stop and he said he would not speak to him but would keep an eye on it. It continued for over a month with no help until I begged my boss. I was so humiliated and because of this, decided to move to a different department.
His behaviour in the workplace is outrageous. It’s all on him. He’s childish and basically batshit.

His kids don't talk to him anymore and I had hoped he would be able to reconcile whatever happened with my help but it's never happened. He told me his ex wife has turned them against him.
You aren’t here to fix useless men.

I've come away thinking that I'm a freak, that there is something the matter with me because I fell for someone who I genuinely liked. It is killing me, I've had to have therapy but nothing is convincing me that I didn't cause this by loving him and by believing he was just scared and giving so many chances. There are days I just don't cope at all, then days I really do, and days I really miss him so so much. I believed he was a different man – because he foxed you into thinking that.

I still do believe he's lost and afraid but I don't know why he had to do this to someone who had been so kind to him and loving for so long, even when we weren't together.
He’s neither of those things, he is a user and abuser, trying to gaslight you from time to time into thinking that.

My fear is now that I'm no good for anyone and never will be. I'm 49 now and can't get past it. No matter what I try to do it's like a black cloud hanging over me.
There is nothing wrong with you. He is a freak.

Very good points from the poster above this too. Hope you are OK today.

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The Headworker - today we look at the headworker tactics that an abusive person may use in the relationship to make you feel mad, sad or bad.

https://greatbetleyfarmhouse.co.uk/the-headworker/

IncessantNameChanger · 28/08/2025 11:30

I do think his behaviour at work has been abhorrent and it would have be a stackable offence from the off with a unsolicited dick pic before a date.

The rest of of it is just grim behaviour from him.

MySweetMaggie · 28/08/2025 11:41

When you're a good person who doesn't have bad intentions, it can be difficult to understand that some people are bullies, sociopaths, narcissists etc. This guy doesn't have good intentions and targeted you thinking you're vulnerable. I hope you can get some counselling and support. I'm so sorry he treated you like that!

YourBrickTiger · 28/08/2025 12:55

Thank you all for today’s comments. Have to be quick but will reply in more detail.

the team I was in brushes all misdemeanours from men under the carpet. There are regular references to ‘Id give her one’ ‘look at the tits on that’ and regular masturbation discussions. If tense I have been told to go and play with myself in the toilets and my old boss passed me recently and said ‘I’m off to shake hands with the unemployed’. When I asked him who that was he said ‘My dick!’ It will not change. I got pulled for buying donuts. They don’t get pulled for any of it.

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YourBrickTiger · 28/08/2025 12:56

Ps this headworker theory is it an opinion or a clinical fact as such?

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Itsalittlewetout · 28/08/2025 13:29

I think in any relationship the moment you are having to explain yourself, your humanity, your feelings to the other person this is a sign that they are lacking empathy. Anyone lacking in empathy is someone to bypass. He will never get what it’s like to truly feel for someone. He has no empathy. You are racking your brains for a reason for his behaviour, people with no empathy act irrational because they don’t feel you. They have no guilt, no remorse, no internal moral compass to guide them through life. If you were a size 8 then you’d be asking that same question, am I too thin for him. You are too human for him.

Itsalittlewetout · 28/08/2025 13:45

You are a beautiful flawed human like everyone else, we all carry our insecurities, no one gets through life unscathed. A good relationship will not have you feeling insecure. A good relationship makes you feel good about yourself, so much so that it helps release those insecurities or helps you go through life feeling they aren’t as heavy, feeling you know what I’ve actually got this. We actively have to choose our relationships and walk from those that don’t make us feel good. We are the builders of our own world. But in order to do this we have to learn how to drop the rope on relationships that don’t fit. We can’t hope and wish a relationship into existence because people are not capable of what they are not. We have to see people for what they are.

YourBrickTiger · 28/08/2025 14:18

Itsalittlewetout · 28/08/2025 13:45

You are a beautiful flawed human like everyone else, we all carry our insecurities, no one gets through life unscathed. A good relationship will not have you feeling insecure. A good relationship makes you feel good about yourself, so much so that it helps release those insecurities or helps you go through life feeling they aren’t as heavy, feeling you know what I’ve actually got this. We actively have to choose our relationships and walk from those that don’t make us feel good. We are the builders of our own world. But in order to do this we have to learn how to drop the rope on relationships that don’t fit. We can’t hope and wish a relationship into existence because people are not capable of what they are not. We have to see people for what they are.

So to be clear for me, this IS who he is and not just with ME? This is HIM as a person?

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Bittenonce · 28/08/2025 14:27

YourBrickTiger · 28/08/2025 14:18

So to be clear for me, this IS who he is and not just with ME? This is HIM as a person?

100% it’s how he is, same as he was with previous relationships, like he is with his kids, same as he’ll be with anyone else .
When you think you love someone, it can be hard to accept that actually they’re not a good person and not worthy of what you felt. But that’s the truth of it, there’s no fault on your side. The same would have happened whoever you were, whatever you did or didn’t do.

GwendolineFairfax8 · 28/08/2025 14:38

This is HIM - not you. You will never be able to make any sense of it because he is a vile groomer.

When you get a moment, read back through all your posts and imagine speaking them out loud to someone outside of your disturbing and abnormal work environment. They would be shocked and disgusted.

Itsalittlewetout · 28/08/2025 14:40

YourBrickTiger · 28/08/2025 14:18

So to be clear for me, this IS who he is and not just with ME? This is HIM as a person?

If you need black and white then the answer is yes. But in reality it’s a very complex answer. My ex is not abusing his new girlfriend like he did me, why? Was it me? No it’s because none of us experience the world the same way. What you are feeling is what you are telling yourself is the reason for it happening. I told myself the reason it happened was because I was too this and too that. You can insert anything into those this and that’s. His new girlfriend will be met with a man who will invalidate her and use her and she will inevitably end up at the end saying she was too this or that. She won’t have the same insecurities as me but will be left with a similar wound. You and me and all the other girlfriends are not the reason it happened, it happened because these men need to feel more powerful than you. You being whoever is stood in front of them.

GwendolineFairfax8 · 28/08/2025 14:43

If you see him, I would love for you to come back and tell us that you took a deep breath, held your head high, and walked past with a smile to yourself, that you see him for what he is 💩

Itsalittlewetout · 28/08/2025 14:45

They are addicted to the feelings of power. They have no inner supply of anything. They can’t feel a little down and then have a think about something nice they’ve done or achieved and feel better, they can’t look within for anything. So what they do is they look outwards for this. So they might be feeling a bit shit, someone upset them, someone made them feel inferior, they have no ways to make themselves feel better so they turn to you. They provoke you, you react and that reaction fills the bucket for a bit. But it’s a perpetual cycle.

Itsalittlewetout · 28/08/2025 14:47

They ruin every relationship they have by using the person as a source of supply. They simply can’t ever stop doing this. Eventually you end up sucked dry or they get bored.

YourBrickTiger · 28/08/2025 14:47

Itsalittlewetout · 28/08/2025 14:40

If you need black and white then the answer is yes. But in reality it’s a very complex answer. My ex is not abusing his new girlfriend like he did me, why? Was it me? No it’s because none of us experience the world the same way. What you are feeling is what you are telling yourself is the reason for it happening. I told myself the reason it happened was because I was too this and too that. You can insert anything into those this and that’s. His new girlfriend will be met with a man who will invalidate her and use her and she will inevitably end up at the end saying she was too this or that. She won’t have the same insecurities as me but will be left with a similar wound. You and me and all the other girlfriends are not the reason it happened, it happened because these men need to feel more powerful than you. You being whoever is stood in front of them.

Sorry but that’s so confusing for me?! I read it all but if he doesn’t abuse his new girlfriend then how is he an abuser?!

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Itsalittlewetout · 28/08/2025 14:51

YourBrickTiger · 28/08/2025 14:47

Sorry but that’s so confusing for me?! I read it all but if he doesn’t abuse his new girlfriend then how is he an abuser?!

Sorry I meant they adapt depending on who is in front of them. I was never hit but the gf before me was. The gf after me will get a different version again but the man and the motives remain the same. It’s always them!

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