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YourBrickTiger · 15/07/2025 14:23

Hi - I am just hoping for a little help here...haven't been through a situation like I'm currently experiencing and it's very painful to the point of making me sick.

If I can kindly ask that no one advises against workplace romances, as I work with several couples, some of whom are married and even one who is divorced. I know a lot of people in my place of work who met here and are now married and still working together. So I thought it was ok for me too.

I don't have a support system. My parents have both passed away and friends that I do have keep everything at a surface level, which has made me unable to discuss this, therefore I apologise in advance for the length. I can't face anymore harsh criticism, so if you don't have time to read this as I understand it is very long, or you are critical of me, please be kind. I'm blaming myself enough.

I met a man, a colleague who I really liked, about 8 years ago, admired from afar as he was married and never gave it much thought other than I thought he was a really nice decent man. A few years after we started working together, he told me that his second marriage was on the rocks and that he felt unlovable. I told him that I thought he was very lovable and made a joke that if I'd marry him if they were to split. Again, didn't pay it too much mind and thought nothing would ever happen, went about my life. Another few years passed without incident.

As Covid was coming to an end, and with his marriage over, we had been getting on very well at work and one night out of the blue, he rang me and we talked for 5 hours about everything and anything. I had been single for a long time after an abusive relationship with a man from outside the UK who just disappeared on me one night after living together for almost a year. At this point, I hadn't had a relationship in 11 years and wasn't looking but I was really really drawn to this guy at work. We had a lovely conversation but again, nothing much to report afterward.

A couple of months later, I plucked up the courage to ask him if he'd like to have another phonecall (facetime). We were essential workers and still in the cloud of the pandemic so thought this was the best approach. I wasn't prepared for his response. At this point he was 49 years old, he stood up, started to rub his chest, said 'oh God no no...oh no...this is making me really uncomfortable...' and left the room. I had rehearsed this in my head all day waiting for the right moment and this happened. I was completely mortified, hurt and eventually went home and beat myself up for not being cool enough or maybe even good enough for him. When I woke up the next morning he had called me three times and sent me messages to see if I was ok. I texted back how shocked I was and how I had obviously misread the signals, but told him he was someone I had grown to like very much and that it wasn't my intention to upset or scare him. When I got back to work a few days later, he'd stopped speaking to me.

This went on for a couple of weeks so I just kept my head down and got on with it. Another two weeks passed and all of a sudden, he was trying to make me laugh again, which he always could. I was relieved he seemed ok, but just left him to it. We started to get on better, and for his 50th I bought him a silly gift, no one else in his life seemed to make an effort, so I wanted to do something for him. On one of our dates he told me that his friends dog had used it as a chew toy. (It was a bottle opener made from wood).

We would be here all year if I told you the full story but although he and his wife didn't divorce, they separated, and he said he wanted nothing to do with women for a year. This to me was fine and healthy but he made a huge announcement to me about it. Feeling it safe, I said 'well if after that year is up, would you like to have a coffee with me?' and he said 'yes...I will have a think about that'.

No more than 2 weeks passed, when we were alone and he asked me out. I was elated! We set a date and he was calling me and texting me in the build up to it. All his nerves seemed to have gone. He sent me photos of himself, went through my socials and complimented me on my photos. He even sent me a few intimate pics. In work that day he kissed me for the first time.

We had arranged for him to come to my home, as I knew him so well this wasn't an issue and we were going to have a few drinks. I made a real effort, scrubbed the house until it was shining, and made myself look really nice, I thought. He arrived at the time we arranged. We sat down for our first drink and he immediately started to become nervous again. He admitted to being nervous and I just soothed him, telling him to relax, it was just me etc...but he said 'no no I have to leave'. He was only with me despite the massive build up for 5 minutes. I was completely and totally distraught and thought it must be something to do with my looks, or weight etc. I'm not stick thin and quite curvy but he had been paying me so many compliments I thought he was attracted.

I had the awful situation of having to face him again in work but I just tried to walk past him with a brief hello. It was agonising - he did attempt a short apology but in his words it was 'sorry about everything I just got all'...and made this funny noise that you would make as if you were shivering or something.

I had developed feelings by this point but just had to try to get on with it. I was hit with various other awful things like him accusing me of stalking one of his exes. He blew up at me in work as I had clicked on her profile when she came up as a friend suggestion. It was genuine. She is friends with my cousin and I have family in the area he is from. He defriended me from facebook as I had clicked 'like' on this ladies nails, and then once I realised who she was I unliked it. Thinking no harm done, but he found out. He was SO angry with me. It crushed me that he had deleted me and when I tried to explain the family connection, he put his hand up in front of me and said 'I don't want to hear it'. When I said 'Please let me explain!' he shouted 'F* off' at me infront of my colleagues.

There is a lot of other stuff that has happened but that Christmas he approached me again after he started talking to me again and we slept together. He told me he knew how much I had fallen for him and that he just needed time as he admitted he didn't know what he was doing with his life. I told him to take all the time he needed. A few days later, he stopped speaking to me again. He approached me for another date which I agreed to and at the time he was due to meet me, he cancelled, saying he wasn't quite ready.

Then he came round again - this time my idea I admit it as I couldn't let him go. We became more involved and he came to my home, asked to see my family albums, made me promises about holidays, the future, said I didn't have to be concerned about money anymore (I'm very independent so it isn't a money issue anyway but was nice to have support). We were close, talking on the phone, being intimate, he even said 'imagine how everyone in work will feel when they find out we've been together for like 8 months' or something..! He told me he wanted me to meet his family, and let me facetime with his sister. It was clear she knew who I was and paid me lots of compliments, telling me she only wanted him to be happy. I said I would never hurt him and would always try to make him happy. He told his sister that I would do anything for him and he told me he felt I was his soulmate. He told other people (who told me) that he had told them he knew I had fallen for him and that I was a lovely girl who would make a wonderful wife.

On the day we were due to meet his family, his whole demeanour changed. We woke up and even his facial expressions were different. He said 'I have to go now' and when I enquired about the family he said 'we'll do it another time'. He assured me he wasn't coming back but I didn't hear from him for 5 days. He sent a text to say he wanted to be alone, he didn't love me, he knew I loved him, that all it was was 'sex and a drink', and that he knew I'd react badly and he had to go because I was stressing him out.

I totally and completely fell apart but managed to sort of hold it together at work. Despite his text, a month later he approached me again, asking for another chance and when I asked him why he had told me he didn't want me, his explanation was that he had just freaked out because he knew I had such deep feelings. Of course I agreed. Nearly as soon as I agreed, he turned cold. Despite the fact we'd made a date, he became cold with me. When I asked him why, he said 'I'm not going back there, I can't do it'.

This was the only time that I visibly cracked at work. Someone saw me crying and told my colleague who told him. He became so so angry with me that he arranged a meeting with me and my boss in which he said in front of my boss 'I did not make love to you - I f*** you'. My boss said nothing. He told me he could 'get any girl in a bar and take her home' and told me that I had caused him a total nightmare.

I took some time off work and when I returned I didn't go near him. But apparently made one fatal mistake. I borrowed his coffee cup. One day when I forgot my own, I used his. Washed it thoroughly and put it back. He found out about this too because someone started to tease him about me using it and he apparently laughed. But with me it was a different story. He took the cup home and said 'I don't like anyone using my stuff'. Despite having been in my home etc.

For the next month he stopped talking to me and texted my colleagues to say things like 'Tell her I'm hiding in the toilets' or 'has she gone yet?'. I was so devastated because all I had done was borrowed a cup. I hadn't bothered him, begged him, stalked him, annoyed him, nothing at all. I had left him alone. I begged my boss to talk to him, to get him to stop and he said he would not speak to him, but would keep an eye on it. It continued for over a month with no help until I begged my boss. I was so humiliated and because of this, decided to move to a different department.

On the day that I moved, the guy was coming out of the department I work in. I don't know why he was there but he shouted 'Good luck in the new job!' at me and walked on. I have rarely seen him since but if I do bump into him he is very nice, talkative wants to show me pictures on his phone etc. I do not understand this behaviour. He was hiding from me, but now he's being nice?

Because of everything that has happened, I have become a shell of myself. I work alone now, with very little interaction with anyone, I've isolated myself and feel like everyone hates me or doesn't want me around. He has remained in his position, which I guess is down to me as I didn't make a fuss as I would never have wanted him to be hurt. So I've carried it all. I felt I had up to a point a good relationship with my former boss but he didn't speak out for me or help me with some of the language that was used, the hiding in the toilets and the silent treatment that the guy inflicted in work. I've heard rumours of being called names like Baby Reindeer which I never was. I never stalked him, called him repeatedly, went to his home, didn't do anything harmful to him at all. He said that 'you went about it all the wrong way'. I have never asked a guy out before so that was a huge knock.

His kids don't talk to him anymore and I had hoped he would be able to reconcile whatever happened with my help but it's never happened. He told me his ex wife has turned them against him.

I've come away thinking that I'm a freak, that there is something the matter with me because I fell for someone who I genuinely liked. It is killing me, I've had to have therapy but nothing is convincing me that I didn't cause this by loving him and by believing he was just scared and giving so many chances. There are days I just don't cope at all, then days I really do, and days I really miss him so so much. I believed he was a different man, I still do believe he's lost and afraid but I don't know why he had to do this to someone who had been so kind to him and loving for so long, even when we weren't together. My fear is now that I'm no good for anyone and never will be. I'm 49 now and can't get past it. No matter what I try to do it's like a black cloud hanging over me. I really doubt myself now, all my interactions with people and fear because I'm not picture perfect, or picture thin that this happened to me due to that. To me he is very handsome, so maybe that's it? I am so scared for my future now, and my health is declining. I didn't know it was such a crime to be in love but if someone does hide from me in the bathroom, it surely means I'm repulsive? Out of everything I had shared with him and everything he knew, the hiding is probably the worst. I have thought of ending my life because if I am that bad what is the point, but I am trying to believe that maybe this isn't my fault? I just don't know anymore and thank you from the bottom of my heart to anyone who takes the time to read this and for letting me talk.

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MNpenisadvisor · 14/08/2025 10:03

YourBrickTiger · 14/08/2025 09:49

I was all those things to him. He knew it. He told people, including his family that he thought I was The One. That's why I'm struggling - the complete detachment so quickly and the abuse that followed afterwards.

That's why I left my job so I didn't have to see him as often. Hopefully the counselling can help with the thoughts and my self esteem because I just feel SOMETHING about me must have made him do this. I had his back, cared deeply, defended him to others, did all the things a girlfriend is supposed to do and the cruelty that followed, not knowing what he told his family - even the thought of his family thinking I would ever hurt him - is just something I struggle with every day. It's really horrible.

Even if it WAS something about you, you need to move on and get help with this obsession. Surely you see that you need professional assistance at this point?

Itsalittlewetout · 14/08/2025 10:04

YourBrickTiger · 14/08/2025 09:49

I was all those things to him. He knew it. He told people, including his family that he thought I was The One. That's why I'm struggling - the complete detachment so quickly and the abuse that followed afterwards.

That's why I left my job so I didn't have to see him as often. Hopefully the counselling can help with the thoughts and my self esteem because I just feel SOMETHING about me must have made him do this. I had his back, cared deeply, defended him to others, did all the things a girlfriend is supposed to do and the cruelty that followed, not knowing what he told his family - even the thought of his family thinking I would ever hurt him - is just something I struggle with every day. It's really horrible.

Yeah you would make a great partner and you did all those wonderful and totally decent things. But what did he do, there are 2 sides to a relationship? Yeah something about you did make him do this. You are a nice normal compassionate women. You put up with shit treatment but kept giving him more. You didn’t recognise what he was because you came at the relationship from a position of love. Honestly it’s absolutely nothing about you, there are people like this that walk amongst us. I was married to one for 15 years. They just don’t view relationships the same way. It’s a complicated but very simply concept. There are not nice people loving amongst us and you have unfortunately met one. You just keep being you but learn to recognise who you’re giving you to.

YourBrickTiger · 14/08/2025 10:11

MNpenisadvisor · 14/08/2025 10:03

Even if it WAS something about you, you need to move on and get help with this obsession. Surely you see that you need professional assistance at this point?

I know you have a problem with me, it's obvious but please stop commenting if you can't be helpful. I've asked you before. And the word obsession really horrifies me because it makes me sound like I'm the problem. I am in a LOT of pain and at times, yes, suicidal. Please stop making it worse for me.

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YourBrickTiger · 14/08/2025 10:12

Itsalittlewetout · 14/08/2025 10:04

Yeah you would make a great partner and you did all those wonderful and totally decent things. But what did he do, there are 2 sides to a relationship? Yeah something about you did make him do this. You are a nice normal compassionate women. You put up with shit treatment but kept giving him more. You didn’t recognise what he was because you came at the relationship from a position of love. Honestly it’s absolutely nothing about you, there are people like this that walk amongst us. I was married to one for 15 years. They just don’t view relationships the same way. It’s a complicated but very simply concept. There are not nice people loving amongst us and you have unfortunately met one. You just keep being you but learn to recognise who you’re giving you to.

Thank you for being so kind. I'm annoyed at myself because I have been doing well and then in the last day, massive dip in mood.

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Itsalittlewetout · 14/08/2025 10:17

YourBrickTiger · 14/08/2025 10:12

Thank you for being so kind. I'm annoyed at myself because I have been doing well and then in the last day, massive dip in mood.

We all get that. It is 8 years ago for me and I have to work on my self esteem all the time. My biggest bit of advice is to find real people. To find a village so you can all feed each other. To not hide away because something is wrong with you. If something is wrong with you then there is something wrong with everyone…which there is as we are all flawed. A narc will always handover all the pain and the fault to you, it’s just text book narc. We have to find the joy and solidarity and let it go. In the wise old words of Elsa!

Itsalittlewetout · 14/08/2025 10:36

This type of relationship is a violation of what it is to be a human. It does cut to the very centre of who we are and it’s painful. The cleverness of it is that it is our own insecurity that abuses us and continues after the relationship is over. They are very very clever. Remember we all have insecurities and a true partner will love those insecurities and keep them safe and never ever exploit them or use them or ever want us to hurt, ever! It’s very almost like there is no abuser, it’s insidious but when you get to a position where you see it you will never unsee it. Anyone can fall for these types of people as all people have insecurities. But especially those who like myself did not have the best childhood. You need to work on your insecurities, work out where they come from, understand them and protect them because they are a part of who we are. Don’t be afraid of your insecurities.

YourBrickTiger · 14/08/2025 10:41

Itsalittlewetout · 14/08/2025 10:17

We all get that. It is 8 years ago for me and I have to work on my self esteem all the time. My biggest bit of advice is to find real people. To find a village so you can all feed each other. To not hide away because something is wrong with you. If something is wrong with you then there is something wrong with everyone…which there is as we are all flawed. A narc will always handover all the pain and the fault to you, it’s just text book narc. We have to find the joy and solidarity and let it go. In the wise old words of Elsa!

Thank you. I know it must be very frustrating to listen to but I literally have no one to talk to as I've explained. This place has become like a lifeline for me. I'm not obsessed with this man - I am in PAIN, and maybe my thoughts are obsessive but I have left him alone. And when we were together, apart together apart - he held all the cards and I backed off EVERY time he pushed me away. If I was obsessed, I'd be hanging around him, following him, phoning him etc - I haven't done anything like that if anything I've hidden myself away from the world. I am trying to meet new people but I'm afraid they are going to start finding fault with me too. So I don't really ever show them the real me.

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Itsalittlewetout · 14/08/2025 10:46

YourBrickTiger · 14/08/2025 10:41

Thank you. I know it must be very frustrating to listen to but I literally have no one to talk to as I've explained. This place has become like a lifeline for me. I'm not obsessed with this man - I am in PAIN, and maybe my thoughts are obsessive but I have left him alone. And when we were together, apart together apart - he held all the cards and I backed off EVERY time he pushed me away. If I was obsessed, I'd be hanging around him, following him, phoning him etc - I haven't done anything like that if anything I've hidden myself away from the world. I am trying to meet new people but I'm afraid they are going to start finding fault with me too. So I don't really ever show them the real me.

Many of us have been you and know the pain all to well. It is a process you need to go through. It is a lesson you are having to learn. You have to work hard and dig deep. Keep asking questions. You are now abusing yourself as many of us have after this type of relationship. It is a choice you will need to make at some point. Hold your self worth in the hands of others or love all of yourself. We often see ourselves in the eyes of others, so joining groups where people know what you’re been through is a good start, you will see the strength in them and then start to see it in yourself as you heal.

YourBrickTiger · 14/08/2025 11:07

Itsalittlewetout · 14/08/2025 10:36

This type of relationship is a violation of what it is to be a human. It does cut to the very centre of who we are and it’s painful. The cleverness of it is that it is our own insecurity that abuses us and continues after the relationship is over. They are very very clever. Remember we all have insecurities and a true partner will love those insecurities and keep them safe and never ever exploit them or use them or ever want us to hurt, ever! It’s very almost like there is no abuser, it’s insidious but when you get to a position where you see it you will never unsee it. Anyone can fall for these types of people as all people have insecurities. But especially those who like myself did not have the best childhood. You need to work on your insecurities, work out where they come from, understand them and protect them because they are a part of who we are. Don’t be afraid of your insecurities.

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Thank you so much again, you've described it perfectly. That's what it is, it's like a huge stab wound and everything I thought was real isn't which has left me questioning myself and everything around me. I can't even begin to describe how much I cared for him and I was ALL the things you describe, supportive, loving, accepted him for all his craziness and flaws and it STILL wasn't good enough. How do I even live with that?

I think the insecurities stem from school, being bullied for being popular and 'nice', but also from losing my Dad at a young age. I don't know if you have read my whole story but my Dad was my best friend, my Mum too and I had a lovely upbringing UNTIL he passed away suddenly and that friend of my Mum's (female) took over. She was EVERYWHERE, got away with speaking to me however she wanted and so I pretty much lost my Mum at the same time too. I really have no one and am trying to navigate all of this by myself. When you are alone, completely and the voices go round and round in your head and you're not enough for the one person you love the most - it's bloody hard.

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Itsalittlewetout · 14/08/2025 11:26

YourBrickTiger · 14/08/2025 11:07

Thank you so much again, you've described it perfectly. That's what it is, it's like a huge stab wound and everything I thought was real isn't which has left me questioning myself and everything around me. I can't even begin to describe how much I cared for him and I was ALL the things you describe, supportive, loving, accepted him for all his craziness and flaws and it STILL wasn't good enough. How do I even live with that?

I think the insecurities stem from school, being bullied for being popular and 'nice', but also from losing my Dad at a young age. I don't know if you have read my whole story but my Dad was my best friend, my Mum too and I had a lovely upbringing UNTIL he passed away suddenly and that friend of my Mum's (female) took over. She was EVERYWHERE, got away with speaking to me however she wanted and so I pretty much lost my Mum at the same time too. I really have no one and am trying to navigate all of this by myself. When you are alone, completely and the voices go round and round in your head and you're not enough for the one person you love the most - it's bloody hard.

You see what I read in your writing is hard to distinguish between whether you are talking about your mum or this ex. This is the root of all the pain. Until we deal with the real root cause of our pain we will keep recreating this over and over with others, trying to fix how we feel. You need to deal with your feelings of your mum. She did not pick you and that has nothing to do with you. Same like this man, he did not pick you and again this has nothing to do with you. You can’t make people pick you no matter what you twist yourself into. You need to deal with the pain of rejection from your mum and then you may be able to face people knowing that if they reject you it’s on them and not on you. You tried to get a man to pick you because the alternative is that you are unloveable and faulty. You can love till the cows come home but you cant can get it from someone who can’t give it.

Itsalittlewetout · 14/08/2025 11:40

You are playing the pick me dance to unavailable people OP. You are trying to fix something from your past where someone you loved didn’t pick you. You are subconsciously attracted to an unavailable man. You are going to keep meeting this dynamic over and over in different aspects of your life until you do the work on the original wound. It’s painful, I’ve been there! Stop right now dwelling on this man, he is not the issue. Inner childhood work is where you need to go. Heal that inner child and you will not seek these dynamics!

GwendolineFairfax8 · 14/08/2025 14:30

@YourBrickTiger

I am so sorry to see you are getting such negative responses and especially when you were doing so well (with blips which are to be expected).

People say “stop obsessing, get help” is not helpful when you really just want someone to listen while you try to process what you have been through.

If those posting have tried therapy they will know it is not as easy as picking the first random number and getting a great therapist (I know from experience). I tried a few to get someone I clicked with. It was time consuming and expensive so if you feel you can ‘talk’ to us on here instead - all credit to you. I can see now that my professional didn’t need to be professional to just let me vent.

I hope those posters who are coming across as exasperated will stop commenting as they are harmful to you. There are plenty of us around to let you share your grief and trauma.

We may not always comment but we’re looking out for you and willing you on. As a kind poster suggested on this or a similar post, try to think how you would act if someone came to you with this horrible situation - and treat yourself how you would treat them. You would not think they deserved it for being groomed over a long period of time into normalising and excusing really bad behaviour (your manager is awful by the way as she should have stepped in and supported you in the workplace).

You still have to work with those people and I cannot begin to imagine how hard that is - but again, credit to you for doing it. When you feel stronger, hopefully you can look for another job - but that’s not easy either so just take one step at a time.

YourBrickTiger · 14/08/2025 15:39

GwendolineFairfax8 · 14/08/2025 14:30

@YourBrickTiger

I am so sorry to see you are getting such negative responses and especially when you were doing so well (with blips which are to be expected).

People say “stop obsessing, get help” is not helpful when you really just want someone to listen while you try to process what you have been through.

If those posting have tried therapy they will know it is not as easy as picking the first random number and getting a great therapist (I know from experience). I tried a few to get someone I clicked with. It was time consuming and expensive so if you feel you can ‘talk’ to us on here instead - all credit to you. I can see now that my professional didn’t need to be professional to just let me vent.

I hope those posters who are coming across as exasperated will stop commenting as they are harmful to you. There are plenty of us around to let you share your grief and trauma.

We may not always comment but we’re looking out for you and willing you on. As a kind poster suggested on this or a similar post, try to think how you would act if someone came to you with this horrible situation - and treat yourself how you would treat them. You would not think they deserved it for being groomed over a long period of time into normalising and excusing really bad behaviour (your manager is awful by the way as she should have stepped in and supported you in the workplace).

You still have to work with those people and I cannot begin to imagine how hard that is - but again, credit to you for doing it. When you feel stronger, hopefully you can look for another job - but that’s not easy either so just take one step at a time.

Thank you, I really love my workplace and really really don't want to leave. I am certainly in no frame of mind to be doing this now anyway. The very thought of it makes me want to curl up in a ball. Maybe in time though. But everyone knows me here and the majority refer to me as 'Sunshine'. If only they knew.

Maybe there just are people who exist who are horrible. It's so hard for me to take in but maybe there are. I remember he said 'You're trying to control me to love you', which I wasn't at all. I just hoped he would the way other relationships develop. He also gave me a run down when we were in bed on which of his past relationships were 'good shags', and said things like 'she wasn't very sexual' or 'she was a screamer and I found it very offputting'.

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Bittenonce · 14/08/2025 17:01

@YourBrickTiger i still worry so….
Each time it sounds like you’re moving forward, your head seems to take a step back. Please keep going to your therapist, she sounded really useful. And show her what you’ve written here, in case you forget the low points and see her when you’re feeling stronger. Sure she will help you with the mental tools you need to be able to see this guy at work etc without it throwing you off balance. I know from my own experience it’s not easy when you’ve been abused and everyone seems to think your abuser is lovely, you’ve just got to smile like nothing happened….. it’s tough for anyone, it’s not just you.

YourBrickTiger · 14/08/2025 17:35

Bittenonce · 14/08/2025 17:01

@YourBrickTiger i still worry so….
Each time it sounds like you’re moving forward, your head seems to take a step back. Please keep going to your therapist, she sounded really useful. And show her what you’ve written here, in case you forget the low points and see her when you’re feeling stronger. Sure she will help you with the mental tools you need to be able to see this guy at work etc without it throwing you off balance. I know from my own experience it’s not easy when you’ve been abused and everyone seems to think your abuser is lovely, you’ve just got to smile like nothing happened….. it’s tough for anyone, it’s not just you.

I don’t know that they all think he’s lovely it’s just they know what he can be like without having had the actual experience of being with him. Is it normal to tell me someone else was a ‘good shag’?

I am worried too. I don’t know why but I’ve gone really downhill since yesterday.

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Frostywinterwoods · 14/08/2025 23:28

♥️
You may think it will be impossible, to get over this , him and rid of scars from it. But believe me it won't be. Time is a great healer!

The bottom line, he isn't the 1 for you, you don't love him really, you think you do, it feels like that..But, you need someone that treats you right and loves you fully, the right way! No games, no abuse, no hurtful words.

Don't tolerate anything less than you deserve, and you don't deserve to be treated by anyone, in a way that makes you feel like this!

Love is a mutual thing, that takes time to grow. It's built on trust, understanding, respect, a connection between 2 people . It's special as it's not shared by anyone else, the relationship is unique to just you 2.

Friendship is foremost, protect, care for each other and not try to hurt and cause pain to each other. Tolerance and acceptance, understanding who that person is and loving them for it and all their faults. It's not an easy mission or task, and only few nowadays can do it and last. As many fall fast, or their situations at the time throw them together, for lots of reasons. Mainly lust, desire, infatuation.

You can never love another or expect another to love you, if you don't love yourself.. Before any of the above, you need to spend your time with yourself, doing exactly what you would for a partner. Understanding, loving, caring, respecting yourself and being your best friend!

You do that and never ,ever tolerate anything less in return. No one has a right to make you feel bad and question yourself.

We are all unique, no one is perfect. But you don't use that weakness against them. And I feel he definitely has done this, taken advantage and abused you.

Please try really hard , he isn't worth it,do not give him a second thought. Do not allow what HE has done, to effect you and your feelings toward yourself.

Tbh! Your boss is out of order, amongst your colleagues. Because they perhaps have their views, beliefs on things and perhaps have the idea that they are superior, or above you , almost maybe looking down on you and the situation. Don't let that cloud your judgement and your opinion on yourself. They and no one has a right to do this, they may have this in their minds, but you don't allow that in yours.

You cannot control others opinions and narratives in their perception of their lives , as we all live in our own little bubbles and minds. But you can control what you allow to effect yours.. That is their narratives but it doesn't have to be yours.

This is your life and your world, choose what makes you happy and stronger.

Shake this story off,close the book. It's not important or relative. You need to change the page and start afresh.

You in a new department, new start, new colleagues, new friends. You keep them all as friends, if they deserve and worthy of your friendship and time. Leave it like that!
When you are ready for a relationship, keep it separate from work, home etc unless he is the right 1
And you won't know that for a few years.

My advice is to work on yourself, get yourself to levels you should be at in love with yourself, happy, positive, what ever attitude..

You seek a therapist who understands ADHD and you go from there. You can and you will do it.. no one is worth pain and misery. Kick it to the ground if it comes knocking.

♥️♥️ Never doubt yourself, or question who you are! You are beautiful, you are amazing just the way you are.Refuse anyone that doesn't agree.

P.s It's nothing to do with body shape, . Its about confidence and loving and being yourself, warts and all. refuse anyone that doesn't agree. Never alllow time wasters!

It's hard, blinking hard , but make this a new mission and enjoy the journey. We all should be taught it. Life is short, please don't let this steal any more of your valuable time..

Xx ♥️ you will be fine.xx ♥️

Bittenonce · 14/08/2025 23:33

@YourBrickTiger I’ve been out for an evening hike so didn’t have the chance to reply before about your ‘is it normal?’ question:
First (major) issue is you haven’t clear idea of what normal or good looks like. So you accepted what he did as ok….
So you might call me old fashioned , but I always thought if you sleep with someone, it’s a really personal intimate thing. It’s not for sharing - not with friends, definitely not with other partners, it’s like a betrayal of trust.
So if he tells you about what other women were like, how good or otherwise they were, whatever other sordid details - first thing he’s doing is trying to train and condition you to please him, be better, conform to whatever he wants.
The second thing he’s doing is telling you he’s got no problem with telling other people about you.
So I’d see all of this as red flag central, he’s manipulating and at the same time showing he can’t be trusted.
I’ve said it, everyone else has said it, he’s just not a good or trustworthy person, he’s a user and taker, none of what he’s done is normal in any way. You’re the normal one. The nice one. The sweet trusting giving one. Just you.
The only things you need to change are to believe in yourself and to filter out the scum!

MNpenisadvisor · 14/08/2025 23:38

YourBrickTiger · 14/08/2025 10:11

I know you have a problem with me, it's obvious but please stop commenting if you can't be helpful. I've asked you before. And the word obsession really horrifies me because it makes me sound like I'm the problem. I am in a LOT of pain and at times, yes, suicidal. Please stop making it worse for me.

I don't have a problem with you, I don't know you.
It's kindness to point out that you need some help with this situation, more than Mumsnet can provide. If you just want people blowing smoke up your arse whilst you go over and over everything obsessively have at it, but it's not helping you to move forward and find the happiness you deserve.

Frostywinterwoods · 15/08/2025 00:17

This isn't you. This is all down to him. He is not worth your time.
I promise you will be sitting for days ,weeks ,months, years trying to work out what was going on.

You will end up every time blaming yourself when it's had nothing at all to do with you .

It takes 2 people to have a relationship. There was only 1 in this.. And that was yourself that invested in it, cared, was kind, respectful, polite, considerate, warm and loving. He was not in the relationship, he gave nothing, he did what he had to,, to gain what ever it was what he wanted and got from it.

All I can see is manipulation, control, abuse, lies, looking down, mocking and using you.

Don't waste your time trying to make a story, a film, a reality out of any information he gave you.. You have no idea if any of its true, and what was true, isn't enough to get a full picture of the whole story.

My advice is to drop everything he told you, try to stop thinking about it and if and what not.. You will drive yourself insane only he knows the full story and what, why and ifs, he isn't ever going to tell you.

If he was serious non of this would have happened, and NO, it's not because of you , only part you played and he took advantage of off is your kindness, attraction. You are not a weakeness only a bad person would treat you as such.

And NO you haven't done anything wrong, no matter what you did, said, acted behaved, the results would have been the same. This is NOT you but him.

You use everything you have learnt from this, and make notes of it and stick it on fridge, or keep diary and write in every page.

I am not to blame,I am beautiful the way I am. I will not settle for this,I deserve more. I will not waste my life time trying to work out the mentality of another human being , unless I am being paid and it's my job .

So, if you find yourself in this situation again, the first weird freak out from a man, or hot cold. You say goodbye, drop him and it. And you put him in his place and if he tries to embarrass you or talk down to you like this piece of poop did, you lol in his face, or say what ever ! And walk right out there!

As for your workplace, omg.i didn't know that beep still happens.. I think you need a union, or need to report it all higher up. No one should be made to suffer and be discriminated like that or deal with sexual abuse at work.

And YOU, don't even think on anything they say.. You hear me?? You tut and say disgusting. Walk off, start to play a tune in your head, think what shall I have for tea. Anything, anything but listen to that demeaning, not real life tripe..

If you can get a another job in a better environment, then you should look to do that

Xx stay strong. Fight the urge to question and blame yourself, you will not complete a jigsaw without all the pieces. Throw it out and do paint by numbers or diamond arts instead, or get a new Jigsaw.

Xx life is hard enough xx to much energy wasting on a pointless thing. X

Frostywinterwoods · 15/08/2025 00:19

YourBrickTiger · 14/08/2025 17:35

I don’t know that they all think he’s lovely it’s just they know what he can be like without having had the actual experience of being with him. Is it normal to tell me someone else was a ‘good shag’?

I am worried too. I don’t know why but I’ve gone really downhill since yesterday.

Yes if he is an actual beep.. He isn't a man he isn't a decent man, no man would talk about a woman they cared for like this. Never give your self to a man unless you know him for a long time. No one deserves you..

Frostywinterwoods · 15/08/2025 00:22

MNpenisadvisor · 14/08/2025 23:38

I don't have a problem with you, I don't know you.
It's kindness to point out that you need some help with this situation, more than Mumsnet can provide. If you just want people blowing smoke up your arse whilst you go over and over everything obsessively have at it, but it's not helping you to move forward and find the happiness you deserve.

Erm totally, but I think need to be a little bit more tactful!

Can you remember your first love and break up? No matter what anyone tells you, you can't believe or accept it..

It takes time and only the person can come to the conclusion.
It's hard to read things the way they are meant, as you read the way you feel and expect xx

Frostywinterwoods · 15/08/2025 00:28

YourBrickTiger · 14/08/2025 17:35

I don’t know that they all think he’s lovely it’s just they know what he can be like without having had the actual experience of being with him. Is it normal to tell me someone else was a ‘good shag’?

I am worried too. I don’t know why but I’ve gone really downhill since yesterday.

You know what, you need some fun and lol in your life..
Tlc!
I know you don't feel like it, but that's exactly what you need..

Can you make time every day to do something just for you that makes you happy that gives you a break and escape from everything.

You don't need to put a timer on it, can you maybe have hot chocolate, maybe bar chocolate, order in some flowers, have your favourite take away.. do some crafting hobby? Diamond arts is the best, listen to a podcast, escape with a film(not love or 1 that keeps you edge of seat). Bubble bath, read a book, go for walk with someone?

Anything, it doesn't need to be big. You need a you time away from all of this.. That little special thing will mean a lot and be so important, you will be grateful for them.

Sunflowers67 · 15/08/2025 00:59

When you have been mistreated and abused (as you were) by someone you trusted and loved, the healing is one heck of a rollercoaster. It gets easier when you can accept that you were abused and just go with the flow of the many emotions each day. You will have moments of peace and calm and then out of nowhere, the pain and the grief hit too. Just let it.
Your body needs to flush out the bad stuff to make room for the new you that will emerge from all of this.

But you have to do the work - there is no magic 'stop & reset' button (how I wish there was!) - you have to go through this pain, the sleepless nights, the anxiety, the fear, the hopelessness of it all, the fear that you will always be alone and that no-one will ever love you, the wasted years, the over analysing, the wondering if you were the problem - all of this is bloody awful but necessary. It's also normal.

You can relieve it though - find the things that work for you, that provide an hour of respite from the pain. Pretty soon your brain becomes accustomed to feeling good rather than locked in this post traumatic cycle. But you have to show it what that looks like again.

So, what are you going to do Friday evening after work? What will Saturday afternoon look like? How about a plan for Sunday?

These are mine (certainly not going to set the world on fire but they get me out, it forces me to wash my hair and change my clothes and I do tend to feel better once I get home again!).

Friday evening: Going to get fish and chips, sit in my car and eat them by the sea.
Saturday afternoon: Painting a new colour on a wall at home (I will have to go out and choose a paint colour) followed by a movie I have wanted to see for years and a bag of marshmallows all to myself.

Sunday: Going out with my camera to a local nature reserve for an hour or two, take some rubbish photos, smile at people I see, breathe in the fresh air, listen to the trees.

In between all that, I will probably be sad, over thinking, maybe crying, certainly feeling like I am having to force everything, feeling less than human, feeling like a huge part of me is AWOL.....but I will be coping, breathing, alive.

You can do this.

Unexpectedlysinglemum · 15/08/2025 07:05

Op, he is a prick. You said you need evidence - he has two failed marriages and his CHILDREN don’t like him either. Because he is horrible and probably treated them all badly too! This should help you Dee it’s him not you. the manager let you down terribly.

please block him and tell him to to speak with you again in writing by your work email. If he harasses you contact the police.

the freedom course might be helpful too!

GwendolineFairfax8 · 15/08/2025 08:24

@YourBrickTiger

Hope you got some sleep and are reading these latest posts from people who took the time to write because they care about how you are feeling. There will be others reading and not posting (that used to be me until I discovered writing helps me)

It’s awful with the thoughts going around and around in your head. They will lessen and eventually leave you. I know you are reading this and don’t believe me! but if you continue to try finding a little bit of joy in the simple things we often take for granted - they really will.

Think about what you are going to do this weekend - a walk, try a new recipe, watch a movie you’ve seen before but makes you forget things for a while, and come back and share with us.

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