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Marriage before kids - crossroads

208 replies

SapphireAmi · 24/06/2025 08:42

Hi all,

My partner and I have hit a crossroads. I’d like to marry before kids whereas he wants kids before marriage. I am 36 and he is 41 so time is not really on our side.

Here is our situation:
He has assets and earns £120,000 a year. Naturally he is cautious about that. If it was me, I’d perhaps feel the same. He also doesn’t believe in the system of marriage. His parents had a messy divorce. It’s a compromise that he’ll marry me but wants us to be a unit first with children.

I am on £60,000 a year, and have a doctorate with potential future career prospects. I have no assets but I do have savings. I was brought up with married parents and went to church until I was 10 so have Christian values (not religious now). I want marriage for emotional security and sign of commitment before children.

He works away abroad occasionally (4 days every 1-2 months). I travel 45 mins to work. He works at home for the rest of the time. If we had children, I expect in someways he would be primary caregiver in that he would have to take the kids to school/pick up etc due to the nature of my hours. If children are poorly, he’ll likely be working at home so can have them there too. When he’s away, I’ll be primary caregiver. We both have parents that are retiring soon and they’ll more than willing to help and support.

If things went wrong between us, I’d always have a place at home with my parents (and my children if need be). I am considering also in investing in an asset such as a flat to help my own security. We have also discussed me buying into the house but I don’t really understand that enough what with him owning the land (2.5 acres). I would never be able to afford 50/50 as it’ll be a £1 million worth house, so I wonder if another asset would be better for me. The house will however be mortgage free. I will just share bill paying while having enough spare money to continue to save.

Once the main house is built, he plans on having a lower income and a simpler lifestyle. He doesn’t consume as much as I do - all of his money goes on the house, some travel and food. I will then be the main breadwinner but he’ll have provided for us with a nice mortgage free house.

Any thoughts? I’m trying to get out of my own headspace/traditional values and to see if from his perspective. I’d appreciate hearing any of your thoughts.

OP posts:
Sofiewoo · 24/06/2025 08:43

What logical reason does he have for wanting to marry after having kids?

330ml · 24/06/2025 08:44

Once you have children he will see no need for him to marry.

Stick to your guns.

Poopeepoopee · 24/06/2025 08:46

He doesn't want to marry you but he'll impregnate you?

No, I wouldn't be impressed with that. I'd be moving on.

Ninkynonkpinkyponks · 24/06/2025 08:46

Once you have kids he will find a new excuse not to marry you and just kick the can down the road. Hold firm!! It’s is necessary for you to protect yourself

Rainbowqueeen · 24/06/2025 08:47

So he wants a relationship that looks like marriage but without being marriage and without the protections that offers? I’m sick of these men who say they don’t believe in marriage. They need to stay single. Break ups can be nasty and messy even if you are not married. His attitude is ridiculous.

The deal he is offering where he owns the house in his name only then scales back his income and you are the main breadwinner is also ridiculous. He does not see the two of you as a team and I would end the relationship. I’d rather be single than be with someone who treated me like this.

Kattley · 24/06/2025 08:49

Mmm. I instinctively want to say that he seems to be too protective of his money as, presumably, he wants children before marriage as a way of protecting his assets in case of divorce so his money goes towards his offspring and not just you?? I’m a bit confused.

SlipperyLizard · 24/06/2025 08:49

He doesn’t want to marry you, and that won’t change by having a child with him. The only difference will be you will ultimately realise he’ll never marry you and resent him.

StasisMom · 24/06/2025 08:51

Yep he’s using kids to pretend he’s showing commitment. I would think very carefully what you do.

Unijourney · 24/06/2025 08:52

You will be taking all the risk. Do you plan for more than one child? Regrettably pregnancy and Mat leave still impacts a woman's earning capacity & career.

Has he had long term relationships before? Would he consider a pre nup?

Caravaggiouch · 24/06/2025 08:52

If he’s not committed enough for marriage he’s not committed enough to have children with.

PopThatBench · 24/06/2025 08:52

If you’re standing firm on marriage before kids, with you being 36, I’d say it’s time to have a serious-borderline-ultimatum conversation with him.
If you’re not willing to budge on marriage first, you either need to leave him and start fresh if he’s unwilling to budge either, or start TTC for a baby and accept marriage might not happen at all or it’ll happen further down the line.

My friend had the same argument with her partner, she refused to budge and they did eventually marry before she had a baby, she was 30 when they married.

I hope it all works out for you OP x

Minecroft · 24/06/2025 08:53

If you agree to go his way, you’ll end up with children and he’ll never marry you. Tomorrow will never come.

YellowGrey · 24/06/2025 08:53

Could you compromise by doing both? Start planning the wedding - fix a date, tell people, put down a deposit on a venue etc - and also start TTC? Then you don't have to decide which to do first as it depends how it works out!

The most important thing is that if you do have a baby before getting married you must go back to work full time and share childcare costs evenly.

peidhDassffeks · 24/06/2025 08:54

I don’t think he’ll marry you once you have kids; his long term plan is that you’ll be the breadwinner but he’ll own the house so it’d leave you with nothing if you split up. Don’t get into this situation without being married. You say you could always go to your parents but you could easily end up 50 with no home and having used your money for your joint lifestyle

BlueberryFlapjack · 24/06/2025 08:54

Is he from a farming background? This happened to my friend and he never married her. He never married the next woman he had kids with either…

SapphireAmi · 24/06/2025 08:55

Sofiewoo · 24/06/2025 08:43

What logical reason does he have for wanting to marry after having kids?

He doesn’t want to marry really. He’s doing it as a compromise. He originally said he’d be open to marrying before kids but because we have had arguments about this, he said he doesn’t feel ready to marry. My thinking is that I can’t understand why he’d not want to marry but wants kids. He’s wanted kids a year in - I’ve been the one holding off.

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ARichWomansWorld · 24/06/2025 08:55

His assets are so much greater than yours he would end up losing out financially on divorce. I suppose if brutal about it that’s the bottom line plus if you married and then it transpired no child was forthcoming he would feel very aggrieved.

That’s the problem with people getting together when older they can have far more disparity between their assets. When you have built something up from being much younger it feels fairer. DH has ended up out earning me but we had many years where we earned around the same.

Profpudding · 24/06/2025 08:56

To be honest, I would advise my daughters not to marry.

The only advantage offers is security to a parent that isn’t earning.
It doesn’t sound as though that will be you in this scenario.

Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 24/06/2025 08:56

Don’t even consider his ‘plan’.

Frankly, you would be more secure as a single parent than with this bloke.

mondaytosunday · 24/06/2025 08:57

Aside from the marriage issue, you can’t wfh and look after children at the same time.

Panicmode1 · 24/06/2025 08:58

I'm in my 50s and have seen several friends in your situation - the women who 'gave in' and had children before marriage are now single parents. He either sees you as equal and a life partner, or he doesn't. I think you know the answer, heartbreaking and difficult though that may be to accept.

SapphireAmi · 24/06/2025 08:58

BlueberryFlapjack · 24/06/2025 08:54

Is he from a farming background? This happened to my friend and he never married her. He never married the next woman he had kids with either…

He is!

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Theeyeballsinthesky · 24/06/2025 08:59

Hahaha lol no - once you have kids he’ll 100% not marry you

he’s future faking and he must think you’re an idiot if you’d fall for it

cornflourblue · 24/06/2025 09:00

SapphireAmi · 24/06/2025 08:55

He doesn’t want to marry really. He’s doing it as a compromise. He originally said he’d be open to marrying before kids but because we have had arguments about this, he said he doesn’t feel ready to marry. My thinking is that I can’t understand why he’d not want to marry but wants kids. He’s wanted kids a year in - I’ve been the one holding off.

Hes not ready to marry but he is ready to have kids?

Stick to your guns. If you have children first, he will never marry you.

BlueberryFlapjack · 24/06/2025 09:01

SapphireAmi · 24/06/2025 08:58

He is!

Then he will never marry you. Sorry. You must be aware of how protective that commmunity is of their assets, surely?!

If you really love him, and you will stick to the plan to build your own assets, and you can live with never marrying, then go for it.