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I don't know how much longer I can parent my young adult DD

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intheshallow · 21/06/2025 13:58

My DD is 18. I want to preface my post by saying that I love her. I want the best for her. She's talented and smart and funny. She's aspirational and interested in the world.

Life with my DD is unbearable most days. She's always been somewhat tricky , has control issues I would say, doesn't always connect well with other young people but does have a few close friends. She is a glass half empty sort of kid and while It's been hard at times , we stayed close and muddled through.

Fast forward to now and she's been studying hard A levels for the last two years. She has crashed and burned so badly that I do not recognise her.
She cannot tolerate even the smallest of requests from me , and I mean tiny ones like 'pick up your cup off the floor'. She is verbally abusive, says dreadful things about the kind of parent I am, and quotes long diatribes about being a toxic parent / she's going to go no contact when she's financially independent/hopes I rot in loneliness when I'm older.

It's just the two of us. Has been for a long time. She does see her Dad occasionally but he's a let-down on all fronts. She runs when he calls though, and I know that deep down so many of her issues are connected to him. Some days my life feels unbearable because for the last 2 years, I can't recall a single act of kindness that she has extended to me. She snarls when I speak, has taken to physically pushing me out of her way if I try to insist on a conversation, tells me to piss off/get out/ etc. my DD lives in squalor in her bedroom, I'm ashamed to say that it's so bad that it smells the entire upstairs. I tell her not to eat up there but she pushes past me and puts her headphones on to block me out. She is clean in herself but sometimes wears dirty clothes because she won't put them in the laundry basket but also won't let me in her room to take them out. She hardly leaves the house so entering her room anyway is not as easy as you'd think. She will physically push me out if I enter. Many, many times I've resorted to telling her that I cannot have her live here and act like this and she just snarls and says she won't be going anywhere.

My DD only interacts me to ask for lifts money or something else. She is escalating every week. There isn't a shred of her former kind self I can connect with , no matter how hard I try. I dream of selling my house and moving to a one bed flat that she can't come to. Believe me when I say that I feel like the mother she says I am, when I think this way.

I've tried to get her counselling. She won't go. She isn't going to university either. She does say she will get a job soon so that's something. I feel desperate most days

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Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 21/06/2025 18:09

‘ quotes long diatribes about being a toxic parent / she's going to go no contact when she's financially independent’

Tell her there’s no need to wait , she can go no contact now. In her own home, funded by her sterling efforts. If you are so toxic, there’s nothing holding her (except possibly greed and selfishness, but I expect she would deny that self evident truth). Tell her not to leave a forwarding address, you’re going to get a lodger in her room, someone who will give something back, even if that’s only a monthly cheque.

Hotttttttto · 21/06/2025 18:09

Next time she asks for any money, a lift, anything. Tell her to do one.
People are indeed falling over themselves to make excuses because she's female. She deserves to be chucked out.
This is not someone you can sit down and have a calm conversation with about how her behaviour needs to change.

Dollsyp · 21/06/2025 18:11

I would send her a text message as she will not listen to you. I would start by saying that you cannot live like this any longer and that you have decided to put some rules and boundaries In place to protect your own emotions and mental wellbeing. I would also say if things do not change she will no longer be able to call this her home as she is now an "adult"
I would start by saying next time you are pushed this is assault and next time it happens you will be calling the police as she doesn't listen and it has to stop. And they will have the power to remove her from the home.
You will be making provisions for her to go into biweekly counselling. You are requiring her to attend this to ensure things change. And if she chooses not to then you will be putting plans in place with social services to stop the abuse meaning she will be placed in emergency accomodation which will be with other homeless people. And she will eventually be housed into a flat on her own which she will have to pay for maintain and manage on her own.
And thirdly she has to start looking after her room and tidying and cleaning it before she goes to bed daily. If this is not done and looks presentable and clean when you check twice weekly then she will not be getting any lifts of money that she requests at all. The lifts and money also won't happen if she cannot ask and speak to you kindly and respectfully. And contact her dad also to make sure he is also enforcing this. I would be sending him videos and messages EVERY TIME there is an incident and every time her room is bad. So he sees how bad it really is. And hopefully he's so sick of seeing it he starts enforcing it himself. And talks to her about how bad it is. When outlining this be firm and to the point. And be firm and you HAVE to follow through with everything you have said no matter how escalated a situation gets. Otherwise nothing will ever change!!!!!

vdbfamily · 21/06/2025 18:11

The best advice I got from a health visitor when my daughter was still at ordinary school but having anger outbursts at home, was never to engage at the point of meltdown. Give her suave. Do not shout, do not make threats or remove privileges as this just escalates the situation. We had to await a calm moment and then ask what she would find helpful behaviour from us when she was cross. Normally it is to walk away and let the moment pass. Later we would usually get an apology.
Our daughter was so vile, my 6'7" DH was terrified of her. They have a lovely relationship now and she rings him several times a week. Fire those saying who will employee her, my DD has had a job since she was 16 . She is doing a healthcare degree and every placement she does want her to work for them. Most women manage to mask for all but their nearest and dearest!

Miley23 · 21/06/2025 18:11

Aguinnessplease · 21/06/2025 17:20

It’s not autism. You , nor she are alone - there are countless other teenagers with similar troubled behaviour, and it’s getting worse. Gen Z entitled culture, Covid fall out, Social media impact on self esteem, I’m not exactly sure what’s at the root cause, but you’ve not done much wrong directly. This is a growing problem, this I know.

Scary isn't it. So many young people not seemingly capable of working or moving forward, failing to launch, stuck in their bedrooms. there will be no tax payers in future years to pay for older people. Scary prospect that needs to be addressed.

vdbfamily · 21/06/2025 18:11

primary school even

mixedpeel · 21/06/2025 18:14

Wineandrun · 21/06/2025 15:31

You are not a weak parent. I have three children, two I parent brilliantly and one who treats me in a similar way to your daughter treating you, only they are younger which causes further issues. As a result, I find them very difficult to parent and being constantly told you are rubbish wrecks your confidence and self belief. I am a good mum, struggling with a very difficult relationship. I feel for you OP, everyone is telling you to just cuck her out or just clean her room but that is so hard when someone is screaming at you or physically stopping you. I’m not sure how they expect you to do that. I wish I had advice, but I can only offer solidarity.

@intheshallow , I’m copying the whole of this important response to you. I disagreed with the PP who said you sound like a weak parent, and was horrified to see you agree. Read @Wineandrun’s post several times to really try and take it in.

Nana4 · 21/06/2025 18:15

If she is so vehement in her opinions you need to stop trying to parent her and stop interacting with her. Your “ currency” is you and what you do for her so withdraw all of it. Just sort yourself out, cook for yourself, do your own laundry, and cleaning etc. and leave her to get on with looking after herself. Be unavailable for any lifts, money or favours she wants from you.
if she asks what’s going on just say she has made her feelings plain to you, she is legally an adult and you do not have to tolerate her behaviour.
If she wishes to sit down and discuss the situation you will only do so when she agrees to have a civil conversation, if any conversation starts to get out of hand shut it down immediately and walk away.
you have to be “cruel to be kind” and get her to see for herself that her behaviour is unacceptable and that you are no longer going to tolerate it.
it may take a while and several attempts before you have a proper conversation but it cannot be worse than you are describing at the moment.

Parsleytale · 21/06/2025 18:19

OP, she won't sit down and communicate? Write her a letter. Put down in writing to her how her behaviour affects you, what you expect from her, and what will have to happen if things don't improve. You're not weak, just worn down. Good luck.

fannieadams · 21/06/2025 18:20

Have you ever recorded her behaviour? Even just audio. She may be unaware of how awful her behaviour is to you if she is ND.

Hotttttttto · 21/06/2025 18:21

Sorry but the softy softy approach is not going to work. Calm conversations will not work. Gentle parenting does not work.
If this were an abusive partner or a male, the advice would be completely different.
Have to be brutal and firm with her or she will not change.

Hotttttttto · 21/06/2025 18:22

She doesn't care how her behaviour affects you, sitting down over a cup of tea and a calm chat might work for 5 minutes.

CRCGran · 21/06/2025 18:23

intheshallow · 21/06/2025 14:47

The poster that said I was a weak parent is absolutely right. Believe me , I couldn't feel more of a failure if I tried.

How on earth are you weak? It's not weakness to try and get thru to her. It's really hard when you love her but she's behaving so appallingly. But OP I do think tough love has to kick in now. I know it would be really hard, but just completely stop engaging with her. Don't answer her, don't cook for her, don't give her money, don't argue with her. And definitely cancel her phone contract. And if she can't treat you properly then you have some serious decisions to make. You CANNOT keep enabling this kind of behaviour. She has NO RIGHT to treat you like this. I would also be telling her father to step up and support you in dealing with all of this.

Upperroom · 21/06/2025 18:25

intheshallow · 21/06/2025 14:21

She describes herself as autistic at times so it's hard to say what her thinking on a potential diagnosis would be. I don't know if I have the mental energy anymore to get her to explore it fully. She can't tolerate a simple interaction that has any perceived demand/task in it whatsover so even the idea of trying to talk about it makes me nervous.

Look up PDA. And go get a referral for a right to choose autism assessment. Have you never thought about her being neuro diverse? So important you get her assessed then you can access support.

AvoidableError · 21/06/2025 18:25

Is there any third party who can mediate OP? Advocate for you? Have you any friends that she trusts or respects?

I am so sorry for you. I am sure your daughter is full of self-hate but she is dumping it all on you.

OldEnoughToFancyBobGeldof · 21/06/2025 18:35

idonotwantthat · 21/06/2025 18:01

I should imagine she’ll be back grovelling pretty sharpish and she’d get one more chance if I were you

This is the generally held view isn’t it, that the child will return contrite and prodigal daughter like … it’s unlikely. What it will do is force the DD into a life that to be honest is difficult to say the least and probably cause a rift that’s not going to be healed.

She’ll have to come back, there’s no other option for her. But she should also be worried that her mum might not take her back and to be honest I wouldn’t blame op if she didn’t want to.

Rayqueen · 21/06/2025 18:36

I'm autistic and never verbally abusive, dirty etc. Yes I have to be told to do something sometimes or might have a quiet strop as my parents say when I don't understand something but no the other bits you mention towards you I don't do

Didshejustsaythatoutloud · 21/06/2025 18:39

Girliefriendlikespuppies · 21/06/2025 14:02

She sounds autistic?

Why? Why can't she just be a selfish little arsenal?

Didshejustsaythatoutloud · 21/06/2025 18:41

Didshejustsaythatoutloud · 21/06/2025 18:39

Why? Why can't she just be a selfish little arsenal?

Arsehole

Redbrickhouse22 · 21/06/2025 18:46

This is abuse and you can't keep putting up with this, for you and for her.
She has two parents
She is also an adult
I would be ringing her father and explaining he needs to house her now as otherwise you'll have no choice but to call the Police next time she pushes you.
You do not have to put up with this. Do you have anyone else in your life- close friend or family member who can support you?
In time you could look at family counselling but at the moment the situation is too toxic to continue.
She is physically and emotionally abusing you, please reach out for help from real people and proper support such as Women's Aid.

ThisOchreScroller · 21/06/2025 18:51

She doesn't get to physically abuse you if she's NT enough/able to mask enough to go to college for A Levels and get a job. It may be her home and safe space but it's yours, too. I would go for the approach of no cooking/washing/cleaning and just drop the rope. If she questions it the response is that she says you're a shit mum whether you help her out or not.

Pleasepleaseme1 · 21/06/2025 18:53

It's not your fault, it's a difficult age, stress of leaving education and having to get a job, must be scary. I think now she's 18 you can take a bit of a step back from parenting as the main focus of the relationship and treat her more like an adult, even if her behaviour falls a bit short. You said your ex just wants to be mates with her but maybe that's not such a terrible idea. I suggest rather than punishments and sanctions a few random surprise treats to show how much you love her and hopefully will open the door for a good chat at some point in the future. I think a few positive interactions would help both of you. I've been through similar with a teen with an eating disorder. Good luck and most importantly do something to look after yourself. It's a long hard road otherwise.

Lighteningstrikes · 21/06/2025 19:03

Hotttttttto · 21/06/2025 17:29

Sorry but speaking to a charity won't achieve much, nor will trying to have any conversation with her.

Next time she's out, put her stuff in bin bags, then change the locks. Report her to the police for assault.
Tell her to get out.
Nothing is going to change otherwise because she knows she can treat you like this and get away with it.

Tell her to get the hell out of your home or you will go to the police. You don't have to put up with this for a second longer.

A genuine question: Is it really as simple as that?

Where would she go? On the streets?

She hasn’t got any friends and her DF is as useful as a chocolate teapot.

Wouldn’t you be afraid of her harming herself (or even worse) if this was your own flesh and blood?

Have you got personal experience of this?

It’s so easy to say get rid of the problem, but as a loving mother, wouldn’t you be worried sick about a child who is clearly unstable and struggling?

Personally and I can only speak for myself, but it would be kicking the can down the road and causing worry on a completely different level.

The Op clearly loves her DD very much, but very understandably does not like her very much.

It is truly awful and difficult position to be in.

Praying4Peace · 21/06/2025 19:04

intheshallow · 21/06/2025 14:47

The poster that said I was a weak parent is absolutely right. Believe me , I couldn't feel more of a failure if I tried.

You are not weak.
You are vulnerable
Don't beat yourself up

Octonaut4Life · 21/06/2025 19:04

OP it sounds like your interactions are riddled with extreme negativity. I read once that to have a good relationship with someone you need to have at least 12 positive interactions for every 1 good one. Sounds like pseudoscience but I think the message behind it is really helpful. If I were you I would try to think about how you can try to tip the balance in favour of calm positive interactions. If she initiates a negative one, instead of snapping back just try to walk away/ignore/deescalate. Think of nice ways you can interact that may be more remote from face to face for a while - leaving a note for her, sending a funny meme etc. Try to give your relationship a bit of breathing space/reset for a few weeks before you take any big steps.