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I don't know how much longer I can parent my young adult DD

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intheshallow · 21/06/2025 13:58

My DD is 18. I want to preface my post by saying that I love her. I want the best for her. She's talented and smart and funny. She's aspirational and interested in the world.

Life with my DD is unbearable most days. She's always been somewhat tricky , has control issues I would say, doesn't always connect well with other young people but does have a few close friends. She is a glass half empty sort of kid and while It's been hard at times , we stayed close and muddled through.

Fast forward to now and she's been studying hard A levels for the last two years. She has crashed and burned so badly that I do not recognise her.
She cannot tolerate even the smallest of requests from me , and I mean tiny ones like 'pick up your cup off the floor'. She is verbally abusive, says dreadful things about the kind of parent I am, and quotes long diatribes about being a toxic parent / she's going to go no contact when she's financially independent/hopes I rot in loneliness when I'm older.

It's just the two of us. Has been for a long time. She does see her Dad occasionally but he's a let-down on all fronts. She runs when he calls though, and I know that deep down so many of her issues are connected to him. Some days my life feels unbearable because for the last 2 years, I can't recall a single act of kindness that she has extended to me. She snarls when I speak, has taken to physically pushing me out of her way if I try to insist on a conversation, tells me to piss off/get out/ etc. my DD lives in squalor in her bedroom, I'm ashamed to say that it's so bad that it smells the entire upstairs. I tell her not to eat up there but she pushes past me and puts her headphones on to block me out. She is clean in herself but sometimes wears dirty clothes because she won't put them in the laundry basket but also won't let me in her room to take them out. She hardly leaves the house so entering her room anyway is not as easy as you'd think. She will physically push me out if I enter. Many, many times I've resorted to telling her that I cannot have her live here and act like this and she just snarls and says she won't be going anywhere.

My DD only interacts me to ask for lifts money or something else. She is escalating every week. There isn't a shred of her former kind self I can connect with , no matter how hard I try. I dream of selling my house and moving to a one bed flat that she can't come to. Believe me when I say that I feel like the mother she says I am, when I think this way.

I've tried to get her counselling. She won't go. She isn't going to university either. She does say she will get a job soon so that's something. I feel desperate most days

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intheshallow · 21/06/2025 17:05

LancashireButterPie · 21/06/2025 17:03

I could have written your post.
I've been called toxic too and I've yelled back (which I'm not proud of). I guess to them our ignorance does seem toxic.
It's not as simple as ordering her to clean her room. DDs home is an immaculate little palace now but at 18 her room was a hovel and the fear of starting to tidy it was like a paralysis.

DD described me waking her for college or even if she wanted to come with me on a shopping trip as being like someone going into her room with a machine gun firing all around her and yelling "now, now, now" it's total overload. I didn't understand that.

We are 10years down the line from the A levels and meltdowns and I can honestly say that we have not had a cross word for at least 7 years. She is absolutely my best friend.
Getting that diagnosis, reading up about how ASD affects women, learning coping strategies together, DD getting permission to stop masking and trying to fit her square peg in a round hole....it really changed everything.

Feel free to PM me if you ever need to talk.

This gives me so much hope. Thank you xxx

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Hippobot · 21/06/2025 17:06

I think you need to focus on yourself and your own life and ignore her nonsense. Perhaps a firm boundary about her room 1st though and then don't engage in arguments. Just stick to the boundary calmly, regardless of her volatile responses. E.g. "if you aren't going to keep your room clean and not eat food in there, you'll need to find your own place to live as I won't tolerate this anymore. You're a grown adult now and I won't put up with this any longer." Then do all the work on yourself. Looking after yourself, settling your own nervous system, getting out of the house, enjoying your life. I hope you find a solution that gives you your peace back, otherwise you'll end up unwell from all the cortisol.

ERthree · 21/06/2025 17:10

OP you are not an awful parent at all. For far too many years you have had to cope alone but things have too change. You cannot spend every day of the rest of your life being growled at. Your Daughter needs to understand she has a part to play in your future but only when she stops the abuse. She needs to make a doctors appointment and you need to law down the ground rules. She doesn't get to pick and choose which rules she follow. Stick a list up headed House rules that have to be adhered to or you choose somewhere else to live. You can't have your whole life made hell by her. Who on earth is going to put up with her in the future when you are not here if she can't be civil? You love her so help her find her future.

Sthoremouse · 21/06/2025 17:14

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SnoopyPajamas · 21/06/2025 17:15

Was she always like this? 18 is still very young. It may be that she's having a delayed adolescence. In which case kicking her out won't help, as she does need you to parent her through it.

You say she crashed and burned after a period of intense study. Is she generally a perfectionist? Did something happen to make her feel it wasn't worth it? Uni place fell through or something? She sounds overwhelmed to the point of paralysis.

She also sounds incredibly angry. How long has it been just the two of you? If you're being honest with yourself, are there times she had to provide emotional support to you when she was just a child? This is common in single parent families, especially when it's just a mother and daughter. The relationship can become extremely enmeshed and codependent, and the mother usually is blind to how unclear boundaries have become. The "I hope you rot in loneliness when you're older" line sounds like she feels you rely on her too much for company. Do you? Do you have adult friends and family, or has it just been a unit of the two of you since her dad left?

I'm not saying her behaviour isn't awful, because it is. But she's angry at you, and overwhelmed by the idea of responsibility. You can't walk away from either of those things.

intheshallow · 21/06/2025 17:16

HooverThatLounge · 21/06/2025 16:58

If she hates you, thinks you are a bad parent etc etc then why is she still living with you? She doesn't need to be close to school anymore so why doesn't she go and live with her Dad?

At 18 she has no automatic right to be housed by you and so she can pack her stuff and live with her "mate" Dad for a bit. Why should you have to live this unbearable life? Why does it all fall to you?

I would broach the subject with her, if she hates it so much why is she still here? Because you are her emotional punch bag.

She wouldn't live with her dad because deep down she knows he hasn't wanted to parent her. We've been split for years. Honestly , threatening to send her there to live with him has been a mistake because I've never followed through. That's a theme in my parenting....not meaning what I say. Speaking in the heat of the moment . Empty threats. Issuing absolutes I know I can't follow through. She has come to know this and doesn't respect or like me for that. I can't say I blame her on that front.

What I have been though, is her constant , when he wasn't. I have never left her side. However I cannot ask DD to be grateful for this because why should she? It's the bare minimum of parenting. The trouble is though, while she's entitled to 100% from both parents, I've had to provide 200% to make up for his. But then felt I've had to provide a further 100% on top of that again because she is so hurt by his absence and to put it frankly, he has worked against me her entire childhood. And I mean really worked against me.
My DD expects SO much from me. She believes truly in her heart that I have and continue to fall very short of what a mother is.

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MortXYZ · 21/06/2025 17:18

Swapozorro · 21/06/2025 14:06

She sounds absolutely foul.

my parents split up when I was two and I had a difficult relationship with my Dad. However, I did not treat my mum like shit! She just wouldn’t have allowed it. So don’t use that as an excuse for your daughter.

given that she’s 18, she has no automatic right to live in YOUR house. I would follow through with your plan, sell your home and get a one bedroom place and she will have to fend for herself

Exactly this my parents split up when I was 4, my dad forgot I existed for 6 years when he moved away, then returned for a few months before moving abroad and now forgets I exist until he wants something from me.

I never treated my mum badly and she would never of allowed it. I would have been kicked out of the house if I did half of the things your DD has done. In fact my mum can still control my attitude with a look that could melt steel if I step out of line and I'm now 43.

There is no excuse for your DD treating you like shit and you need to make it clear your house your rules. She's an adult doesn't like it then she needs to leave.

LancashireButterPie · 21/06/2025 17:19

Sthoremouse.

Quite frankly that post was disgusting, you should be ashamed of yourself.

Aguinnessplease · 21/06/2025 17:20

It’s not autism. You , nor she are alone - there are countless other teenagers with similar troubled behaviour, and it’s getting worse. Gen Z entitled culture, Covid fall out, Social media impact on self esteem, I’m not exactly sure what’s at the root cause, but you’ve not done much wrong directly. This is a growing problem, this I know.

intheshallow · 21/06/2025 17:21

I want to say also that I'm lucky to have a wonderful circle of friends and a good social life. I'm a very social person and on that front DD and I are pretty opposite. I think she'd like to have more friends and be more social but it's not worked out yet.
I have never relied on her for company or burdened her with personal problems. That I can honestly be sure of. I've fallen short in the managing of my own emotions in times of arguments for example. But I never treated her like a friend or anything.

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LancashireButterPie · 21/06/2025 17:23

Aguinnessplease · 21/06/2025 17:20

It’s not autism. You , nor she are alone - there are countless other teenagers with similar troubled behaviour, and it’s getting worse. Gen Z entitled culture, Covid fall out, Social media impact on self esteem, I’m not exactly sure what’s at the root cause, but you’ve not done much wrong directly. This is a growing problem, this I know.

No one knows if it is ASD or not until she has been assessed. 🙄.
Although if a young woman feels they have autism, they are usually right.

Hippobot · 21/06/2025 17:23

intheshallow · 21/06/2025 17:16

She wouldn't live with her dad because deep down she knows he hasn't wanted to parent her. We've been split for years. Honestly , threatening to send her there to live with him has been a mistake because I've never followed through. That's a theme in my parenting....not meaning what I say. Speaking in the heat of the moment . Empty threats. Issuing absolutes I know I can't follow through. She has come to know this and doesn't respect or like me for that. I can't say I blame her on that front.

What I have been though, is her constant , when he wasn't. I have never left her side. However I cannot ask DD to be grateful for this because why should she? It's the bare minimum of parenting. The trouble is though, while she's entitled to 100% from both parents, I've had to provide 200% to make up for his. But then felt I've had to provide a further 100% on top of that again because she is so hurt by his absence and to put it frankly, he has worked against me her entire childhood. And I mean really worked against me.
My DD expects SO much from me. She believes truly in her heart that I have and continue to fall very short of what a mother is.

Yes, but she's legally an adult now. Noone has to "parent" her anymore.

intheshallow · 21/06/2025 17:24

SnoopyPajamas · 21/06/2025 17:15

Was she always like this? 18 is still very young. It may be that she's having a delayed adolescence. In which case kicking her out won't help, as she does need you to parent her through it.

You say she crashed and burned after a period of intense study. Is she generally a perfectionist? Did something happen to make her feel it wasn't worth it? Uni place fell through or something? She sounds overwhelmed to the point of paralysis.

She also sounds incredibly angry. How long has it been just the two of you? If you're being honest with yourself, are there times she had to provide emotional support to you when she was just a child? This is common in single parent families, especially when it's just a mother and daughter. The relationship can become extremely enmeshed and codependent, and the mother usually is blind to how unclear boundaries have become. The "I hope you rot in loneliness when you're older" line sounds like she feels you rely on her too much for company. Do you? Do you have adult friends and family, or has it just been a unit of the two of you since her dad left?

I'm not saying her behaviour isn't awful, because it is. But she's angry at you, and overwhelmed by the idea of responsibility. You can't walk away from either of those things.

She's very angry. Viciously angry I would say. All in my direction.
She wasn't always like this no. But she has been a little tricky I would say growing up. Rigid and controlling in some ways. Not in others. Very uptight. Tends to read quite sinister motives or bad intentions into fairly innocuous things

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intheshallow · 21/06/2025 17:25

I'm not going to respond to messages that are nasty about my DD or call her names.

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Chungai · 21/06/2025 17:25

intheshallow · 21/06/2025 14:21

She describes herself as autistic at times so it's hard to say what her thinking on a potential diagnosis would be. I don't know if I have the mental energy anymore to get her to explore it fully. She can't tolerate a simple interaction that has any perceived demand/task in it whatsover so even the idea of trying to talk about it makes me nervous.

Sounds like Pathological Demand Avoidance?

Did she do this as a young child too?

Cesarina · 21/06/2025 17:27

intheshallow · 21/06/2025 14:47

The poster that said I was a weak parent is absolutely right. Believe me , I couldn't feel more of a failure if I tried.

That poster is absolutely wrong.
It was a totally ignorant, unhelpful, arrogant and condescending thing to say.
It's easy to let comments like that get to you when your confidence is at rock bottom. Please try not to let them get to you.

Futurascope · 21/06/2025 17:27

Lots of posters saying she sounds autistic. That was my first thought too. Being autistic doesn’t make this behaviour acceptable though and it isn’t helpful to be in a mindset of that being the reason and so we have to put up with it. The behaviour still has to change.

FigTreeInEurope · 21/06/2025 17:27

Kids don't learn from what we say to them. They learn from observing the behaviour we model for them over many years. Whatever you say or do won't stand for much now. Maybe life will teach her to be a better person, maybe not.

Hotttttttto · 21/06/2025 17:29

Sorry but speaking to a charity won't achieve much, nor will trying to have any conversation with her.

Next time she's out, put her stuff in bin bags, then change the locks. Report her to the police for assault.
Tell her to get out.
Nothing is going to change otherwise because she knows she can treat you like this and get away with it.

Tell her to get the hell out of your home or you will go to the police. You don't have to put up with this for a second longer.

imip · 21/06/2025 17:30

Seriously, some of horrible comments towards a young female on this thread are beyond the pale.

Barbie222 · 21/06/2025 17:30

FeistyFrankie · 21/06/2025 15:32

OP it sounds like you've had poor boundaries with your daughter, so she never learned when younger what the consequences of being mean and selfish would be. You now have a young adult on your hands with the emotional intelligence of a very young child.

I'm going to suggest therapy for you. So that you can learn how to assert yourself and lay down boundaries.

Second, your daughter needs to move out. In the kindest way possible, she hasn't learnt how to be a responsible and considerate person under your roof, so she'll have to learn all of that somewhere else.

I'm pretty certain that once she has grown up a bit, and has some space away from you, she'll reflect on her behaviour and realise how awful she's been. But she has to move out first for that to happen.

Be kind to yourself OP. It sounds like a very tough situation. But you need your home back and it's time for your daughter to sort herself out - by herself.

I think this is good advice.

Annascaul · 21/06/2025 17:31

657904I · 21/06/2025 14:23

Honestly you sound like a weak parent. Ie you’re not doing anything well:

  • you suggested she leave before, but what have you actually done to follow up on this?
  • Have you spoken to her dad about him taking her on? Have you asked him to speak to her about her behaviour?
  • It seems like someone else needs to mediate or step in. can any other family members do so?
  • If she physically assaults you, what is your reaction?
  • where is she asking for lifts to? What happens if you refuse?

Ultimately I don’t think barging into her bedroom is the right step if that will escalate to a physical altercation. She sounds like she absolutely despises you.

Part of it sounds like she is depressed and unwilling to face the world. Part of it sounds like, she just simply doesn’t like you much and doesn’t want a relationship with you.

If everyone thinks you both will be happier apart, what’s the point of this constant back and forth?

Obviously her difficulty is not being able to move out due to zero income. Is she claiming benefits? Can you possibly provide funds for something like a flat deposit? If it gets her out of your hair…

ultimately you do need to take charge and lay out the choices, either she lives under your rules until she can afford to move out or leaves immediately and lives however she wants and figures it out herself.

She’s doing A levels. Why on earth would she / should she claim benefits?

Moonlightdust · 21/06/2025 17:31

Aguinnessplease · 21/06/2025 17:20

It’s not autism. You , nor she are alone - there are countless other teenagers with similar troubled behaviour, and it’s getting worse. Gen Z entitled culture, Covid fall out, Social media impact on self esteem, I’m not exactly sure what’s at the root cause, but you’ve not done much wrong directly. This is a growing problem, this I know.

As a parent of an autistic child I think on the contrary. There are so many indicators from all of the OP’s posts it’s unreal. But half of all people will just assume it’s the get out of jail autism card being used. The OP has said her daughter has always been a challenge. I very much doubt this is just a toxic child.

OP I strongly advise you look to getting your daughter a Private diagnosis - unfortunately the NHS waiting list is ridiculous. She’s likely aware she is neurodivergent and feels different. It will probably give her a huge sense of relief, and hopefully you can have some support to restore your relationship - altering your communication is the key, and help for her to regulate her emotions.
The longer you both go on like this the worse it will become.

In the meantime, if she is in burnout, try to lower all demands and give her space. Do not engage in dialogue unless she approaches you. If she gets angry and asks you to leave, calmly walk away, It’s good you’ve got a good social circle — your nervous system needs to be regulated too. Make time for yourself. Please consider approaching a local ASD organisation who often run workshops and can offer help and support.

Hotttttttto · 21/06/2025 17:33

If this were my child I would kick her out now she's 18. I don't care what anyone says, if I'm being abused in my own home then I'm washing my hands of them. 18 is old enough to know right from wrong.

MyHouseInThePrairie · 21/06/2025 17:34

The first that came to my mind is autistic burnt out too.

And no I dint believe that being autistic gives you a free pass at being awful. But if she is constant meltdown, she isn’t going to cope well with any demand. Even her own to herself.

@intheshallow I think you really need to have a chat with her re getting a diagnosis. And some support/counselling from an ND counsellor.

I suspect a low demand environment for the next month or two will help too. And in the mean time, answering/dealing with the manipulation etc…. very matter if factly. Calm.

But I dint think any of that is possible if you dint start with yourself. You’re clearly running on fumes. You need support. Whether it’s counselling for yourself, going away on your own for a week (if you feel your dd can stay on her own). Friends/family. A break each week doing something for YOU.