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I don't know how much longer I can parent my young adult DD

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intheshallow · 21/06/2025 13:58

My DD is 18. I want to preface my post by saying that I love her. I want the best for her. She's talented and smart and funny. She's aspirational and interested in the world.

Life with my DD is unbearable most days. She's always been somewhat tricky , has control issues I would say, doesn't always connect well with other young people but does have a few close friends. She is a glass half empty sort of kid and while It's been hard at times , we stayed close and muddled through.

Fast forward to now and she's been studying hard A levels for the last two years. She has crashed and burned so badly that I do not recognise her.
She cannot tolerate even the smallest of requests from me , and I mean tiny ones like 'pick up your cup off the floor'. She is verbally abusive, says dreadful things about the kind of parent I am, and quotes long diatribes about being a toxic parent / she's going to go no contact when she's financially independent/hopes I rot in loneliness when I'm older.

It's just the two of us. Has been for a long time. She does see her Dad occasionally but he's a let-down on all fronts. She runs when he calls though, and I know that deep down so many of her issues are connected to him. Some days my life feels unbearable because for the last 2 years, I can't recall a single act of kindness that she has extended to me. She snarls when I speak, has taken to physically pushing me out of her way if I try to insist on a conversation, tells me to piss off/get out/ etc. my DD lives in squalor in her bedroom, I'm ashamed to say that it's so bad that it smells the entire upstairs. I tell her not to eat up there but she pushes past me and puts her headphones on to block me out. She is clean in herself but sometimes wears dirty clothes because she won't put them in the laundry basket but also won't let me in her room to take them out. She hardly leaves the house so entering her room anyway is not as easy as you'd think. She will physically push me out if I enter. Many, many times I've resorted to telling her that I cannot have her live here and act like this and she just snarls and says she won't be going anywhere.

My DD only interacts me to ask for lifts money or something else. She is escalating every week. There isn't a shred of her former kind self I can connect with , no matter how hard I try. I dream of selling my house and moving to a one bed flat that she can't come to. Believe me when I say that I feel like the mother she says I am, when I think this way.

I've tried to get her counselling. She won't go. She isn't going to university either. She does say she will get a job soon so that's something. I feel desperate most days

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Sugarplumfairy18 · 21/06/2025 20:31

As a mum of 3 sons (2 diagnosed ASD and one currently being assessed) I agree with many other comments. When I read your post I straight away thought that sounds like ND with a PDA profile. The people commenting that “she is just vile because of her behaviour”…no her behaviour is vile, she’s not vile. My eldest son was exactly the same at this age (he’s now 24). I was also a single parent to him and I felt like I was in an abusive relationship. He spoke to and treated me like s*it. But he was in complete burnout and depressed. He could not deal with any demand, even just being expected to brush his teeth every morning was too overwhelming for him.

I think you need a referral via GP first and find out for sure whether she’s ND. Getting a diagnosis will not excuse her behaviour but it will help to explain it and you will be able to get some help. Good luck x

Rainbowqueeen · 21/06/2025 20:42

@intheshallow contact the PDA society. She definitely sounds like she is autistic with a PDA profile. This means she cannot cope with demands being placed on her. Her behaviour is absolutely typical of a PDAer at this age. They can give you guidance on the best way to parent her.

Can you afford to get a private diagnosis? If so I would do that. Again the PDA society could give you advice on that process. Then you can start on the journey of parenting in a way that works for her.

In the meantime lower demands on her. Don’t ask her questions or to do anything. Use declaratory language. When she is out just go into her room and start cleaning it up. I do this with my PDAer. She can cope with this. She cannot cope with me asking her to clean it.

And focus on self care for yourself. Go to the GP and organise some counselling for yourself. Again PDA society may be able to help. You are not alone. Wishing you all the best

Hopscotch12 · 21/06/2025 20:51

She sounds autistic with a PDA profile. She is possibly in burnout. Her behaviour is common in PDA young people. Look up Dr Naomi Fisher who explains it well. Also the PDA Association.

To help her you need to view her through a PDA lens, she has a nervous system disability, she doesn’t mean anything she is saying, her brain is trying to keep her safe.

I’ve been where you are, it’s alarming, dropping all demands will help as will using declarative language and humour. This time will pass. She needs to recover.

Food luck supporting her.

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fashionqueen0123 · 21/06/2025 21:03

I think it’s a bit of a pipe dream to think she’ll get a job and move out. She would have to totally change her behaviour to get through an interview and house share?

Just go in her room and clean the mess out. I don’t understand why you’re so scared of your own child. You do have the upper hand here you need to remember that. Set rules and if she doesn’t follow through then you need to follow through with the consequences. I’d also take photos and a video of all of this so when she goes crying to her dad about you he can see she’s making it up.

Hopscotch12 · 21/06/2025 21:04

It’s a reason for dysregulated behaviour.

Justsomethoughts23 · 21/06/2025 21:05

Moonlightdust · 21/06/2025 17:31

As a parent of an autistic child I think on the contrary. There are so many indicators from all of the OP’s posts it’s unreal. But half of all people will just assume it’s the get out of jail autism card being used. The OP has said her daughter has always been a challenge. I very much doubt this is just a toxic child.

OP I strongly advise you look to getting your daughter a Private diagnosis - unfortunately the NHS waiting list is ridiculous. She’s likely aware she is neurodivergent and feels different. It will probably give her a huge sense of relief, and hopefully you can have some support to restore your relationship - altering your communication is the key, and help for her to regulate her emotions.
The longer you both go on like this the worse it will become.

In the meantime, if she is in burnout, try to lower all demands and give her space. Do not engage in dialogue unless she approaches you. If she gets angry and asks you to leave, calmly walk away, It’s good you’ve got a good social circle — your nervous system needs to be regulated too. Make time for yourself. Please consider approaching a local ASD organisation who often run workshops and can offer help and support.

I agree with this. I am ND and I really don’t think she hates you, but you’re the person she is completely safe with and knows she can go absolutely mad at when she is overwhelmed and frustrated and you’ll still be there. Hopefully you can get through the next couple of years and get her into some kind of stable adult life and she will be like a different person. Maybe worth reading how to parent a teen with autism and treating her as though she does even pre diagnosis? Also, I know people will say you don’t need to “parent” her at all and to kick her out, but you clearly love her and want to do right by her so will probably find that hard (I would too).

Gagaandgag · 21/06/2025 21:12

Sounds like PDA
My Son and cousin have the diagnosis

Naomi Fisher and Eliza Fricker - look them up asap

DodoTired · 21/06/2025 21:12

Sorry OP that sounds like some mental illness…

DumpedByText · 21/06/2025 21:16

I have an 18 year old DD and I wouldn't tolerate this. You need to withdraw lifts, money, nice food, give her the very basics, no treats, don't get into any kind of discussion of why these have been withdrawn. If she starts arguing, walk away to another room and don't rise to it.

You need to mean budiness, and she needs to know this. Stay strong and show her who is in charge in the household.

Teaandtoastserveddaily · 21/06/2025 21:27

Girliefriendlikespuppies · 21/06/2025 14:02

She sounds autistic?

That didn't take long.

Don't say things like this please. It gives autistic people a bad name.

Puffalicious · 21/06/2025 21:31

LancashireButterPie · 21/06/2025 17:03

I could have written your post.
I've been called toxic too and I've yelled back (which I'm not proud of). I guess to them our ignorance does seem toxic.
It's not as simple as ordering her to clean her room. DDs home is an immaculate little palace now but at 18 her room was a hovel and the fear of starting to tidy it was like a paralysis.

DD described me waking her for college or even if she wanted to come with me on a shopping trip as being like someone going into her room with a machine gun firing all around her and yelling "now, now, now" it's total overload. I didn't understand that.

We are 10years down the line from the A levels and meltdowns and I can honestly say that we have not had a cross word for at least 7 years. She is absolutely my best friend.
Getting that diagnosis, reading up about how ASD affects women, learning coping strategies together, DD getting permission to stop masking and trying to fit her square peg in a round hole....it really changed everything.

Feel free to PM me if you ever need to talk.

Hi,
I hope you don't mind me hi-jacking, but my DS18 (recent diagnosis Aiutisn & adhd) reacts like I'm going in with a machine gun when I wake him, even if it's for things he's really wanting to do. He's bright & funny but struggling with executive functioning. What does your DD say helped/ solved this waking issue. If I'm too gentle he falls straight back to sleep. I'm at a loss.

I think this reflection of your DD now older is crucial for me understanding. I'm NT & I think that's why I just cannot relate to how he thinks.

Thanks

Confuuzed · 21/06/2025 21:31

Teaandtoastserveddaily · 21/06/2025 21:27

That didn't take long.

Don't say things like this please. It gives autistic people a bad name.

She very likely is though.

This is what can happen when autistic people are misunderstood, unsupported or traumatized. Funnily enough, they might react in non- neurotypical ways.

Shinybutton · 21/06/2025 21:36

You sound really stressed. So does your daughter.
You could try www.familylives.org.uk to help you find out a way to deal with this situation in the best way for you both, they have dedicated support services.

Some things I have learned - try to avoid venting (I am feeling so angry right now...) and being critical (your room stinks!!! (even if it is true)).

Ask for what you want, clearly and directly. E.g. Please could you bring your dirty pots downstairs. Start small and remember to be really pleased and praise her if she does it. I found that text messages work ok for this.

Try to start conversations before you leap in, e.g. I was just wondering why you didn't bring your dirty pots downstairs?

Don't expect things to go well everytime or change overnight and try not to beat yourself up. Things can be really tough with teens.

Bubbletrain · 21/06/2025 21:40

Girliefriendlikespuppies · 21/06/2025 14:02

She sounds autistic?

She doesn't sound autistic, she sounds horrible.

Inyournewdress · 21/06/2025 21:59

657904I · 21/06/2025 14:23

Honestly you sound like a weak parent. Ie you’re not doing anything well:

  • you suggested she leave before, but what have you actually done to follow up on this?
  • Have you spoken to her dad about him taking her on? Have you asked him to speak to her about her behaviour?
  • It seems like someone else needs to mediate or step in. can any other family members do so?
  • If she physically assaults you, what is your reaction?
  • where is she asking for lifts to? What happens if you refuse?

Ultimately I don’t think barging into her bedroom is the right step if that will escalate to a physical altercation. She sounds like she absolutely despises you.

Part of it sounds like she is depressed and unwilling to face the world. Part of it sounds like, she just simply doesn’t like you much and doesn’t want a relationship with you.

If everyone thinks you both will be happier apart, what’s the point of this constant back and forth?

Obviously her difficulty is not being able to move out due to zero income. Is she claiming benefits? Can you possibly provide funds for something like a flat deposit? If it gets her out of your hair…

ultimately you do need to take charge and lay out the choices, either she lives under your rules until she can afford to move out or leaves immediately and lives however she wants and figures it out herself.

I don’t think she despises OP at all. I think she absolutely relies on her relationship with OP. She is clearly struggling with her mental health and she knows that her mum is a ‘safe’ person she can lash out at without ever losing her love. I am not for a second saying that excuses anything.

I also don’t think her moving out is just about funds, it doesn’t sound like she would cope at all elsewhere. OP and her home aren’t the problem here.

Theunamedcat · 21/06/2025 22:11

intheshallow · 21/06/2025 17:16

She wouldn't live with her dad because deep down she knows he hasn't wanted to parent her. We've been split for years. Honestly , threatening to send her there to live with him has been a mistake because I've never followed through. That's a theme in my parenting....not meaning what I say. Speaking in the heat of the moment . Empty threats. Issuing absolutes I know I can't follow through. She has come to know this and doesn't respect or like me for that. I can't say I blame her on that front.

What I have been though, is her constant , when he wasn't. I have never left her side. However I cannot ask DD to be grateful for this because why should she? It's the bare minimum of parenting. The trouble is though, while she's entitled to 100% from both parents, I've had to provide 200% to make up for his. But then felt I've had to provide a further 100% on top of that again because she is so hurt by his absence and to put it frankly, he has worked against me her entire childhood. And I mean really worked against me.
My DD expects SO much from me. She believes truly in her heart that I have and continue to fall very short of what a mother is.

You don't need to "send" her to live with her dad you need to ask her to leave where she goes is up to her she is an adult now time to learn consequences of actions

Lisalashesxx · 21/06/2025 22:13

My nearly 18 year old daughter went through a period of time like this, about 5 years ago. She was really, really horrible to me. I recognised that this meant she was struggling. And wow she really was. She ended up with an eating disorder, she was self harming, she was very mentally unwell. I got her the help she needed and she could not be any more different now. Op I feel your daughter is crying out for help and I couldn't disagree more with the pp's saying she's awful and you need to essentially punish her. My daughter was referred to the neuro pathway (still waiting for an appt all this time later which is ridiculous) but the thing that really helped her was something called DBT, to help with her emotional disregulation. She's doing amazing these days and is a completely different person. She just needed help. I feel this is the case with your daughter too

ChangeOfNameAujourdhui · 21/06/2025 22:15

We had a HORRIBLE time with our DD but r through the other side thankfully. Really recommend this book:

‘Get Out of My Life...: But First Take Me and Alex Into Town’

You need some new strategies to deal with a very difficult situation

CosyLemur · 21/06/2025 22:16

Sounds like depression - counselling won't help!
A caring mother who doesn't hassle her about the little things is what she needs

Frugalgal · 21/06/2025 22:17

Plantladylover · 21/06/2025 20:18

She sounds awful. If my child was like that i'd tell them, at 18, now is the time for them to be financially independent and pack their bags for them.

Mollycoddling her -sorry - you are allowing her to continue with this despicable behaviour. you aren't doing her any favours or helping her in any way by allowing this.

What responses do you think you'd get if you said a partner was speaking to you/treating you like this.

If she did that her DD would in all likelihood end up on the streets with all the attendant risks. They're both burnt out clearly, but OP's not got her to the age of 18 only to throw her to the wolves now.

There's good advice on here about short term handling and where to seek advice.

ChangeOfNameAujourdhui · 21/06/2025 22:17

Lisalashesxx · 21/06/2025 22:13

My nearly 18 year old daughter went through a period of time like this, about 5 years ago. She was really, really horrible to me. I recognised that this meant she was struggling. And wow she really was. She ended up with an eating disorder, she was self harming, she was very mentally unwell. I got her the help she needed and she could not be any more different now. Op I feel your daughter is crying out for help and I couldn't disagree more with the pp's saying she's awful and you need to essentially punish her. My daughter was referred to the neuro pathway (still waiting for an appt all this time later which is ridiculous) but the thing that really helped her was something called DBT, to help with her emotional disregulation. She's doing amazing these days and is a completely different person. She just needed help. I feel this is the case with your daughter too

I wd echo DBT!!! Even if you just use a self help DBT book which are available on Amazon. It opens up a whole other way of thinking

Millenialmumoftwo · 21/06/2025 22:18

This may go against the grain but stop doing things for her. Lifts and money absolutely not! If she can’t respect you in your home she can’t expect it back. The room situation is crazy give her an ultimatum- clean it or I will because it’s your house and you should enjoy living in it too. Firm and fair needs to be done here. And for those saying autistic it could be but it could also be blatant disrespect. I send strength to get what you need

Danni2224 · 21/06/2025 22:21

Could it be NPD there seems
to be a lot of cross over traits. The reason I say this is because I believe people
woth ASD cannot turn it on and on to get a lift etc. I could be way of the mark im not an expert i have a very moody pre teen and I pray 🙏 that we do not end up ina situation like this im sorry you are going through it.

BruFord · 21/06/2025 22:22

I agree with @Nana4’s advice.

If she is so vehement in her opinions you need to stop trying to parent her and stop interacting with her. Your “ currency” is you and what you do for her so withdraw all of it.

Tbh, I would have no interest in having a relationship with an adult child who treated me like that. I’d still love them, but I wouldn’t want to interact with them. If they went no contact, because they couldn’t stand me, I’d accept that rather than be abused.

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