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Married to someone with Asperger’s/ASD/ND: support thread 16

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BustyLaRoux · 15/06/2025 20:51

New thread.
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This thread is for those of us seeking to explore the dynamics of long term relationships with our ND partners. Some of us are ND ourselves, very many of us have ND children. It is a support thread, and a safe space, it does get emotional at times. Avoid sweeping generalisations if possible, try and keep it specific to you and your partner.
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It's complicated and it's emotional.
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The old thread is here.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/relationships/5299389-married-to-someone-with-aspergersasdnd-support-thread-15?page=1

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ANiceLittleHouseByTheSeaWithACatCalledBrenda · 23/07/2025 20:05

BustyLaRoux · 23/07/2025 20:01

This all makes perfect sense. Setting the wheels in motion is actually OK. Arguably better than all the jollying and pushing ones feelings down for so many years. Whether it’s living apart but staying in some kind of relationship or if it’s complete separation, it will be better than the current situation. Everything has a habit of working itself out (where to live, kids, how to finance it all). The emotional peace it brings is immeasurable.

October / November is really just the other side of Summer. Not so far away. I’m so looking forward to a photo of something in your new place (or old place but newly independent) which symbolises your freedom. Whether this is a pink kettle, a set of cutlery, a picture, a vase, or anything that says “this is me now. I write the new rules!” Good work!!!! You’re getting closer every day. X

So very true. It’s sooo much easier the other side than being in it.

The day it came to ahead, I was physically sick. Bile sick. All the anger and fester came up.

I am now working through everything and @BustyLaRoux is right, it does all work out/ muddle along 💕💕

BustyLaRoux · 23/07/2025 20:11

ItReallyDoesntMatterAnymore · 23/07/2025 10:40

Unfortunately I may have to plan for things not going as smoothly or gently as I wish, the reward will be that eventually I will have a calm and peaceful home for DD.

I've tried to have an adult conversation so many times @Percypigspjs but as you say the other person doesn't want to see it that way and also won't admit to things being as bad as they are.

Plan A, be amicable and work together to keep things smooth for DD whilst sorting house and finances out.

Plsm B, which might be more likely, I move out with DD into rental and let H stay until finances are sorted further down the line.

I would happily walk away with almost nothing, as long as I can get DD and me housed, then sort it all further down the line.

No judge would sign this off as I am entitled to my share but that can be dealt with later. I'm not precious about 'stuff' just need to make sure we are adequately housed, fed etc.

Have you thought about seeing a mediator? It seems like you’re trying to come up with all the answers yourself. You don’t need to do that. Have your ideal position in mind. Then maybe speak to a mediator who will help you try and work out what is reasonable and fair. As you say, you don’t want to walk away with nothing (even though you probably would to avoid. Inflict!) You have DD to consider. You don’t sound remotely grabby or self interested, but it’s important you do come to an agreement which is fair to you. I think this is where a mediator might be able to help. You don’t have to come up with all the answers yourself. Xx

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Percypigspjs · 23/07/2025 20:25

A mediator works but only if both parties have the best interests of the child at heart. If one side only has their own or can only see their own perspective I can imagine it not being much help. Some people can only play the victim. Also you don’t want to give In because you feel sorry for the other person and put yourself in hardship.

BustyLaRoux · 23/07/2025 20:42

Percypigspjs · 23/07/2025 20:25

A mediator works but only if both parties have the best interests of the child at heart. If one side only has their own or can only see their own perspective I can imagine it not being much help. Some people can only play the victim. Also you don’t want to give In because you feel sorry for the other person and put yourself in hardship.

Not sure about this. My friend is currently getting divorced from his DH. The DH is of the opinion that he is the victim. He earns less than minimum wage doing a hobby job and has refused to get a real job. He believes my friend should continue paying his mortgage, all bills and give him a good allowance each month. He feels he’s entitled to this as he says he’s the victim as he isn’t the one who ended the marriage. My friend doesn’t earn a lot, but was prepared to support him for a bit, even after they divorced. The DH wanted a nice cushty life without having to work, living in a beautiful home with no bills to pay and an allowance to support him. But my friend is having to use credit cards to be able to buy food each week and is racking up sizeable debts to continue paying for his STBXH.

The mediator said this was ridiculous. The DH’s self proclaimed victim status has nothing to do with anything. The mediator came to a fair conclusion for both. It was slightly more than my friend wanted to pay, but it was affordable. It was not what the DH wanted and he feels really hard done by and is going around telling everyone how much he’s suffered.

The mediator has been very helpful.

I’m not saying it’s a magic cure for everyone, but it has really helped my friend and is maybe worth considering if you’re not sure what’s fair @ItReallyDoesntMatterAnymore

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Ohdostopwafflinggeremy · 23/07/2025 21:13

Well done @ANiceLittleHouseByTheSeaWithACatCalledBrenda and thank you for sharing. I'm so thankful and inspired by all you brave wonderful women who have taken, or are in the process of, taking that first step to freedom.
Like a lot of you im still doing the 2 steps of hope forward then 4 steps of disappointment back dance.
The fear of doing or saying something that would irrevocably change everything is gradually being replaced by the fear of not doing* *or saying something that will change everything though. Even though im scared, im getting braver. Thank you all💐

BustyLaRoux · 24/07/2025 06:58

Ohdostopwafflinggeremy · 23/07/2025 21:13

Well done @ANiceLittleHouseByTheSeaWithACatCalledBrenda and thank you for sharing. I'm so thankful and inspired by all you brave wonderful women who have taken, or are in the process of, taking that first step to freedom.
Like a lot of you im still doing the 2 steps of hope forward then 4 steps of disappointment back dance.
The fear of doing or saying something that would irrevocably change everything is gradually being replaced by the fear of not doing* *or saying something that will change everything though. Even though im scared, im getting braver. Thank you all💐

It’s not so bad once it’s out there. The thought of things is usually worse than the reality. (A bit like exercising I find!!)

I think we all have to do the two step hope dance for a bit first. Actually it’s part of the leaving process! I flip flopped several times if you remember, with many people telling me how wrong I was to stay, how I was allowing my children to be abused, how I was deluding myself. I don’t agree with those statements and the judgement was not helpful. Ignore anything which isn’t helpful to you.

We are here to support you. If you want to stay and try for a bit and still have hope, that’s ok.

If you think you want a different life, and you have the capacity to change it, then you’ve absolutely got this.

Whatever you need to do is ok. And if and when you’re ready to take the plunge, it will work itself out.

Sometimes the hardest bit isn’t saying the stuff out loud and getting your intention to leave ou there, so to speak. It’s keeping up the momentum afterwards. It’s easy to relax and think this isn’t so bad, he’s really trying, maybe this could work, I’ll see how I feel in x amount of time…. And before you know it six months have passed and you’re back where you were.

Momentum is definitely the hardest bit I think.

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BustyLaRoux · 24/07/2025 07:42

A little update from me:

I am happier than I can ever recall being. My little house is perfect. All my lovely things around me. Some of things from years ago are out of storage and in my new house. It’s like seeing old friends! My clean and tidy kitchen. No bloody jars (well maybe 2 or 3, but not half a fridge full!!). No self centred step son hogging the bathroom and waking me up with his loud voice and late night long showers. Nobody shouts at me. I can do a weekly food shop. My car is always at my disposal. Most importantly my children are comfortable in their space. My DS has become this thoughtful and helpful lad who offers to help make dinner and does chores without resistance when asked. We hang out together. He’s a delight. My DD is a bit more challenging (I fear she may actually be autistic herself. Some of her behaviours are very rigid, she can become anxious and dysregulated when things don’t happen exactly the way she wants, she seems to lack the inherent social rules that come naturally to my DS…. But anyway that’s for another time. I need to be more patient basically!). I have enough money for all my bills and the odd nice thing too! I take the kids on holiday abroad in a few days. They’re super excited. As am I, if a little apprehensive! DP and I are in a great place. I know the living apart/staying together thing is not for everyone and I’m not recommending it for most people. But it is working for us. He has given up alcohol. He has lost 2 stone. He exercises most days (for mental health as well as physical). His house is tidy. He says I was right all along about his fridge management and how gross it was and how he doesn’t want to live like that (we laugh about this, but it irks that he couldn’t be better when we lived together. It’s like every time I mentioned it, he would deliberately collect more jars or get angry and say I was criticising him. Which I was! Because it was just!!!!) He is better at dealing with things instead of putting them off. (Still a work in progress, but a whole lot better than before!). He is incredibly kind and thoughtful. Brings me flowers. Cooks things I like. Rubs my feet. Waits on me when I’m at his house. I’ve given him the complete honesty he’s asked for, and although sometimes it’s difficult to hear things, he accepts what I’m saying as valid. If I have to tick him off about something, he listens. If my boundaries are tested, I make my position clear and walk away if I need to. He is very understanding about me not wanting to be around his bully of a son. Accepts it’s a problem for me, and actually for his daughter too who’s had a gutful of her selfish bully of a brother. I am trying to help him rebuild that relationship.

He is really making a huge effort. But for himself and his daughter as much as for me.

Now we don’t live together it’s like all the “criticisms” which he was so resistant to hearing and which made him so angry and defensive, he realises were valid. Instead of digging his position in harder and shouting at me, he can see for himself that the things I had issue with weren’t unreasonable after all. He’s gone from “you criticise me all the time, you don’t care about me, you want to change me, you’re worthy of criticism too!!” to “Christ I’m really not helping myself, I really need to make some changes for my mental and physical health and for my children!” His eyes have opened and he now sees what I was gently trying to show him. How he was, was abusive and awful for everyone. Mostly me, as he did manage to put on some sort of act for the kids at least. But I think when we lived together I was enabling it all. By me leaving he’s had to relook at everything and realise he was in a bad place and getting worse.

I have the double advantage of him being forced to change for the better now we’re apart, and the ability to walk away when my boundaries are threatened. I feel strong. I feel happy. I feel light. I feel loved. I did the impossible and it was ok. He can be a lovely man. I remember all the things that drew me to him in the first place, but my god he has a dark side. But it’s OK because I see the dark side. I understand it in all its glory now. I know how to deal with it and I know when to walk away. I was such a fool and I made so many terrible decisions! But it was all part of a journey. And for now, all is well.

This is obviously personal to my circumstances, but for anyone who needs some inspiration or some strength, it will be OK. Wherever you are now is just part of whichever path you’re on. It’s not the end. If you’ve stalled then it’s simply a pit stop. A chance to take stock and plan your next step. Sometimes taking the pressure off is what’s needed. You’ll get where you need to be. You’re probably a whole lot stronger than you give yourself credit for.

Sending love and strength to you all because I absolutely would not have been able to this without your kindness and non judgemental support. Xx

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ItReallyDoesntMatterAnymore · 24/07/2025 07:57

Thank you for reminding me that I don't have to do everything myself @BustyLaRoux I have a tendency to do that, same with school stuff and support for DD! (Her Senco might have mentioned something like that to me at some point...) It all depends so much on how H is after we've had the conversation, how he reacts etc. I thunk I'm just trying to mentally prepare for all scenarios!

Yes, if H is being reasonable a mediator is a good idea. He probably needs someone to explain to him that It's about DD being housed and as a disabled 10 year she needs her main carer adequately housed. And that H, who is is in a stable and very well paid job, has a better earning capacity to get a further mortgage (if necessary) than me on UC. So @SpecialMangeTout3 suggestion of the split maybe being more than 50/50 and in my favour, is probably quite likely.

I've done the flip flopping for a long time now @Ohdostopwafflinggeremy and as Busty says, it is part of the process. Most of us on here know that it's a long process and not straightforward at all. I'm definitely now near the end of tbis process and need to keep that momentum going!

ItReallyDoesntMatterAnymore · 24/07/2025 08:06

Almost in tears at that update @BustyLaRoux ! Wonderful to hear ❤️

ANiceLittleHouseByTheSeaWithACatCalledBrenda · 24/07/2025 08:31

This is the most amazing community. Thank you all for your love, strength and support.

I send it back to all those who are making difficult decisions. Go inwards. Listen to your own intuition and be guided by that. It will unlock what’s best for you and in turn, your kids 💕. We all deserve peace and to be happy.

ANiceLittleHouseByTheSeaWithACatCalledBrenda · 24/07/2025 08:34

BustyLaRoux · 24/07/2025 06:58

It’s not so bad once it’s out there. The thought of things is usually worse than the reality. (A bit like exercising I find!!)

I think we all have to do the two step hope dance for a bit first. Actually it’s part of the leaving process! I flip flopped several times if you remember, with many people telling me how wrong I was to stay, how I was allowing my children to be abused, how I was deluding myself. I don’t agree with those statements and the judgement was not helpful. Ignore anything which isn’t helpful to you.

We are here to support you. If you want to stay and try for a bit and still have hope, that’s ok.

If you think you want a different life, and you have the capacity to change it, then you’ve absolutely got this.

Whatever you need to do is ok. And if and when you’re ready to take the plunge, it will work itself out.

Sometimes the hardest bit isn’t saying the stuff out loud and getting your intention to leave ou there, so to speak. It’s keeping up the momentum afterwards. It’s easy to relax and think this isn’t so bad, he’s really trying, maybe this could work, I’ll see how I feel in x amount of time…. And before you know it six months have passed and you’re back where you were.

Momentum is definitely the hardest bit I think.

You said this to me @BustyLaRoux - keep the momentum going. You are so right. The first 4/6 weeks are hard. But then it all picks up pace and sort of falls into place.

Ohdostopwafflinggeremy · 24/07/2025 09:00

What a lovely update @BustyLaRoux. I'm inspired and impressed that you can still see and appreciate the good bits of your relationship.
I thought us starting to talk about his ADHD and how it could be affecting our family was going to somehow start a process. I thought by me being honest about how i feel, he would see the damage that has been done by his years of emotional neglect. To me and the kids.
Explaining that by him being emotionally unavailable and uninterested, he has created the relationship he has with his kids, and me. I thought we could start a conversation, being open and honest.
I want to tell him how angry, hurt, disappointed and resentful I am. I want him to hear me. I want him to see me. I want him to get it.
He says he'd like to go to a therapist "once or twice" so that he can get pointers on how to deal with his ADHD. He says he's "trying to be more interested " in what his kids have to say, then complains that its hard as they dont really respond.....
He doesn't get it, does he?
I honestly dont think he understands its been years and years of him creating the family he has, by him being him.
When he is away at work, the kids and I have a completely relaxed, chilled, openly loving relationship.
He has been home, ill, for 6 months, it has created the perfect storm. It's been an eggshell walking hell.
He is going back to work next month. I need that time alone to gather my thoughts and regroup.
The momentum is building, albeit slowly, very slowly, but it is going in the right direction 💕

ItReallyDoesntMatterAnymore · 24/07/2025 09:06

ANiceLittleHouseByTheSeaWithACatCalledBrenda · 24/07/2025 08:34

You said this to me @BustyLaRoux - keep the momentum going. You are so right. The first 4/6 weeks are hard. But then it all picks up pace and sort of falls into place.

This is so inspiring, it really helps to hear these positive stories from the other side!

Ohdostopwafflinggeremy · 24/07/2025 09:16

ANiceLittleHouseByTheSeaWithACatCalledBrenda · 24/07/2025 08:31

This is the most amazing community. Thank you all for your love, strength and support.

I send it back to all those who are making difficult decisions. Go inwards. Listen to your own intuition and be guided by that. It will unlock what’s best for you and in turn, your kids 💕. We all deserve peace and to be happy.

I totally agree that this is such an amazing bunch of people. Taught me so much, helped me understand so much, stopped me going batshit crazy thinking it was all in my head. Helped me be brave when I was scared.
I totally agree that Intuition is a powerful thing, being true to oneself. 🤗

Petra42 · 24/07/2025 09:52

I agree - wonderful updates from @ANiceLittleHouseByTheSeaWithACatCalledBrenda and also @BustyLaRoux . I have used this over the years when i was dating someone autistic who i deeply loved. We did split up but using this forum has really helped me take some of the rose tinted glasses off because i see the reality of living with someone Asp/ASD/ND. I still miss him hugely but its really (sadly) helpful to read people's thoughts

NeuroSpicyCat · 24/07/2025 10:30

Guys, can we talk about Cassandra Syndrome?

Is anyone willing to share their experiences?

Im in an ND-ND marriage and am starting to realise I’m probably on the receiving end of it.

Sweetandsaltycaroline · 24/07/2025 11:31

I think this is similar and I've been in the process of writing the post for about 24 hours!

I struggle with DH (lack of) emotional understanding. It sometimes feels pretty lonely.

When we first met, I was in recovery from an eating disorder. (Which he knew about) However recently he made some comments about my weight which I found difficult and then someone else in my family made a comment (not specifically about my weight) which I struggled with. He just shrugs and says "but you're not overweight" like that should immediately solve the issue

When DD went to uni she had a lot of anxiety and I made an apt for her to see a psychologist and they said she had social anxiety (which wasn't really a surprise - to me, or her) DH was quite incredulous that she needed more than one apt and was whinging about the cost....as if there is a magic wand.an hour with a psychologist will cure it!

I've had trouble sleeping for years. DH cant/wont understand it's a problem for me. " ...but I thought you'd be really tired after a busy week/running a half marathon/doing a long drive etc etc" I want to scream! The reason I'm not sleeping is not because I'm not fucking tired enough!

Even when I've brought up (more than once) the idea that he has ADHD, he looks quite blankly like he doesnt really know what i mean...but not really curious to look into it, or understand why i might say that. One of his siblings, the family accept is ND (although DH would ask me what ND meant every time it was mentioned) and DH constantly criticises them, and their lack of awareness, organisational skills etc (without realising there are a lot of similarities) and another sibling has been diagnosed with ADHD. We can almost never discuss anything because at any hint of anything he perceives as criticism he gets angry and defensive, and shuts the conversation down, or goes awol for several hours.

Echobelly · 24/07/2025 12:08

DH does try to understand, but I notice he will sometimes say, out of nowhere 'Oh, is something wrong?' because he seems to have misinterpreted something in my tone of voice, or I sniff and he asks if I've been crying, but he doesn't tend to notice when I am actually upset. TBF I wouldn't expect him or anyone to know if I'm upset unless I tell them I think it's generally a bit unrealistic to expect most people to pick up on it accurately.

NoviceVillager · 24/07/2025 12:28

I think Cassandra is validating. Yet I’m not sure it’s helped me in the long term.

I’ve relied on this group to come to terms with so much stuff! Big issues have been shutdown feels like stonewalling, unmasking feels like future faking etc. These have been so painful but I’m just supposed to be ‘affirming’ and get over it basically and I guess this space helps us to feel that it’s ok to have our own pain about these things, even if it isn’t anyone’s ‘fault’.

Thanks ❤️‍🩹

Percypigspjs · 24/07/2025 13:59

I think being with an emotionally unavailable or emotionally different person over a long period of time is extremely damaging. We have to accept this without blame as a simple fact. Now if they are doing it on purpose then there is blame to put on someone. Intent does make it easier to accept. It must be hard and I get this myself with my mum not knowing how to let the relationship end. Not having hate for them because they haven’t done anything wrong, we are just no compatible emotionally. How do you make this known without creating a storm because I’m sure rejection is something they’ve experienced many times in life. We don’t want to hurt them but we don’t want to continue being hurt either. It would be easier if there was fault.

SpecialMangeTout3 · 24/07/2025 15:10

Had a ‘talk’ with dh a few days ago and have booked my own appointment with a lawyer.

I’m not even sure it’s worth mentioning why I got angry this time.
But I’m still puzzled that he was offended I told him he was taking me for granted but being told he was disrespectful and uncaring was like … meh, and?

But here we go.

Best situation for me would still be to wait for a year or so.
But it might well not be that long.

ItReallyDoesntMatterAnymore · 24/07/2025 15:41

SpecialMangeTout3 · 24/07/2025 15:10

Had a ‘talk’ with dh a few days ago and have booked my own appointment with a lawyer.

I’m not even sure it’s worth mentioning why I got angry this time.
But I’m still puzzled that he was offended I told him he was taking me for granted but being told he was disrespectful and uncaring was like … meh, and?

But here we go.

Best situation for me would still be to wait for a year or so.
But it might well not be that long.

Good for you! Hope the appointment goes well and it will hopefully get you a clearer idea of what your next step is. If it's sooner than a year the maybe that is not a bad thing, sometimes these things just happen.

Hopefully you have a good case for remaining in the house and he can move out!

Echobelly · 24/07/2025 16:42

In less good news, DH has just been told his job he's been in for 3 months isn't passing probation and they're terminating. Again. Sounds like maybe more technical than interpersonal this time, as it was a bit of a new type of role for him, and he did say it was by no means certain he'd pass probation.

But I'm worried about the future... oldest starts uni in just over a year, we need him to have a steady income while they are they because it'll be the same as having a mortgage again (very luckily we don't have one) to cover living costs etc. But the job market is terrible these days and he can't seem to hold on to anything.

It feels like we have to put all our hopes in him selling this product he's been developing for years, though I'm hoping he hasn't missed the boat and it's something AI will do. But this requires him to do the work on marketing, demoing etc. He was contacted just after he started to job by someone offering marketing services, no idea of legit, but have suggested he calls them next week. And talk to his friend who was just on WhatsApp chat today offering to help people with tech business stuff.

And maybe I'll just have to take a management role in my job to cover uni. Don't really want to but I'd 100% get one , certainly at my current place and possibly others because they're pretty desperate for people. May not really have much choice.