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Annulling marriage as spouse is trans?

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confusedpasty · 24/05/2025 19:09

Hi everyone,

I got married 3 months ago. I have been with my now husband for 7 years and prior to the wedding, we honestly had a fantastic relationship. We also have a 14 month old boy. We are best friends and have shared everything together and talked about having more children after the wedding.

Intimacy has trailed off a bit since our baby was born, mostly on my part actually as I haven’t felt in the mood much, but I guess from his side too. Anyway, I thought this was just a phase due to our circumstances and was excited for the wedding.

Slight relevant background - my husband has always been more ‘feminine’ if you can call it that, as in interested in clothes and hair and underwear etc. No problem, loved him for who he was and we got on great.

Fast forward to after the wedding - no sex despite me trying and trying. 12 weeks have now passed since our wedding so I finally sat him down last night and asked what’s going on. He told me that he feels ashamed to admit it, but that deep down he feels he is transgender and his true feelings are that he identifies as a woman and that sex now feels disgusting to him as he’s not behaving like his true self?

Lots of crying and emotion followed - he begged me to support him and stay if he chooses to transition publicly, I feel that I cannot do this. I am torn. He has gone to stay with his mum for a few days whilst I process this.

I know this is a bit of a niche situation, but has anyone out there faced a similar situation? I am considering applying for an annulment, I think this would be fair on the grounds we haven’t consummated the marriage? Husband says he would contest this. I am so, so confused and haven’t yet told anyone in real life.

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Pupinskipops · 26/05/2025 00:27

BMW6 · 25/05/2025 22:27

Pupinskipops

Owes you an apology BunnyLake. Her post saying that was at 16.28.

@Pupinskipops 16:28 - "I guess that for most people their gender is assigned at birth by their parents..."

@BunnyLake 20:27 - "What do you mean by parents assigning the sex of their baby at birth?"

@Pupinskipops 20:47 - "That's not what I said"

@BMW6 22:22 - (after copying and pasting what I actually said) "That's exactly what you said" 🤦🏼‍♀️

Apology accepted.

Pupinskipops · 26/05/2025 00:29

BMW6 · 26/05/2025 00:26

I copied and pasted your post at 16.28 so in what way can I possibly have "misqouted" you?
Please explain yourself if you are going to accuse me of misquoting you.

I am very well aware of the difference between gender and sex. That's why I chose my words very carefully. You mix up sex and gender as if they are the same in your own posts, so it's YOU who need to bow out as you are out of your depth.

Sex is biological binary fact, yes? Gender is expression, fluid and not biological, yes? Interested to hear your contrary position and logic on this.

You're embarrassing yourself. Go back and read my actual words again. You know, those words you actually copied and pasted... 🤦🏼‍♀️

teksquad · 26/05/2025 00:31

You're the one thats embarrassing youself. Why are you so determined to shut women up and drown out the OP? Telling.

BMW6 · 26/05/2025 00:32

Lol perhaps time for bed Pupinskipops

You've lost the plot entirely now

BMW6 · 26/05/2025 00:34

And when you've had a sleep do come back and explain how I've misquoted you.

I'd hate to think you're just chatting shit.

Pupinskipops · 26/05/2025 00:35

FlakyCritic · 25/05/2025 22:48

No, it is not 'unfounded fears' at all! Rape is extremely hard to prove. He can just say she spitefully claimed rape because he is transitioning. Sunshineonbluebells is very wise. Please pay attention to her advice, @confusedpasty .

I'd say don't go at all. You owe him nothing at all. Just message him you are filing for Annulment right away, and you have nothing to say, everything can go through your solicitor.

But.... if you are silly enough to meet up with him, do not under any circumstances take your son. Leave him with your mother or a close trusted friend. No one from his family/friends. And take someone with you, do NOT, whatever you do, go alone!

Edited

Listen to yourself! 🤦🏼‍♀️

teksquad · 26/05/2025 00:44

BMW6 · 26/05/2025 00:34

And when you've had a sleep do come back and explain how I've misquoted you.

I'd hate to think you're just chatting shit.

Just part of the script. They'll say any old shite to try and distract and DARVO and try and pretend women arent saying no and the house of cards isnt falling down around their ears. There'll be more random nonsense to try and be the last post on the thread, not that it makes any difference.

Smallsalt · 26/05/2025 02:06

@BrickJoker
He entered the marriage deceitfully. He misled her.

She entered the marriage as a heterosexual woman getting married to a heterosexual man.
She does not and never will wish to be in a relationship with a man pretending to be a woman. Which is her right and e tirejy reasonable.

Because of his deceit this is not the case and she has been scammed into a fake marriage.

Yet somehow you think it's her fault?
He has lied to her and is now attempting to steal her future (marriage to a heterosexual man who doesn't think he is a woman).

Of course she needs to ditch him. Annulment or divorce. Whichever is quicker.

DistanceCall · 26/05/2025 04:39

No? "Have you finished?" "There's no point in coming back at me again with further fulmination."

Fuck off, mate.

FairAdvocate · 26/05/2025 05:04

Im going to be honest with you, Mums net is not a good place to get advice for this.
Its a known hate website against transgender people and almost all of them here will do is try to lure you down and hate your current or soon to be not current partner.
Its perfectly fine to want to leave her. But I really just want to caution you because alot of these people dont want to help you; they want to turn you.
Avoid trans widows. Its another lure for the same thing.
I imagine you dont want to hate your partner? and you both want to get through this as well and healthy as possible? Then avoid these sites and these people.

I understand it can feel compelling having all these people tell you how right you are and how awful your spouse is but is that really going to help?
Please avoid these sites, you will fall into a hole. Please reach to friends and people that you know and who love you. Try to get proper professional help with people who understand LGBTIA issues.

I want you finally to know you arent alone and please dont become a tool for these people on mums net who are already lost. They can sense you are vunerable and will definielty use that.

user1492757084 · 26/05/2025 05:05

You can always support him, as a person, after the annulment.
DH was very devious to entrap you into marriage.

I could not trust him again and I would have an annulment.
However, in the best interests of a smooth relationship with your child's father, I would go and seek counselling with him, and not shun him socially. He must be a confused person.
Treat him like you would a brother, if you can.

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 26/05/2025 05:15

I see another numpty's turned up saying we're all hateful. I know who I think OP should ignore.

EmpressaurusKitty · 26/05/2025 06:11

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 26/05/2025 05:15

I see another numpty's turned up saying we're all hateful. I know who I think OP should ignore.

The thread’s been shared on social so the numpties will be coming in thick & fast now.

DistanceCall · 26/05/2025 06:32

Pupinskipops · 25/05/2025 12:48

Not at all.

No? "Have you finished?" "There's no point in coming back at me again with further fulmination."

Nauseating condescending mansplaining in the name of "kindness".

OuterSpaceCadet · 26/05/2025 07:07

FairAdvocate · 26/05/2025 05:04

Im going to be honest with you, Mums net is not a good place to get advice for this.
Its a known hate website against transgender people and almost all of them here will do is try to lure you down and hate your current or soon to be not current partner.
Its perfectly fine to want to leave her. But I really just want to caution you because alot of these people dont want to help you; they want to turn you.
Avoid trans widows. Its another lure for the same thing.
I imagine you dont want to hate your partner? and you both want to get through this as well and healthy as possible? Then avoid these sites and these people.

I understand it can feel compelling having all these people tell you how right you are and how awful your spouse is but is that really going to help?
Please avoid these sites, you will fall into a hole. Please reach to friends and people that you know and who love you. Try to get proper professional help with people who understand LGBTIA issues.

I want you finally to know you arent alone and please dont become a tool for these people on mums net who are already lost. They can sense you are vunerable and will definielty use that.

Yes whatever OP does she should avoid talking to other women who've experienced the same situation.

Very dangerous letting women talk to other women.

If OP insists upon talking to other women, at least let it be somewhere chaperoned and monitored.

FrippEnos · 26/05/2025 07:08

FairAdvocate · 26/05/2025 05:04

Im going to be honest with you, Mums net is not a good place to get advice for this.
Its a known hate website against transgender people and almost all of them here will do is try to lure you down and hate your current or soon to be not current partner.
Its perfectly fine to want to leave her. But I really just want to caution you because alot of these people dont want to help you; they want to turn you.
Avoid trans widows. Its another lure for the same thing.
I imagine you dont want to hate your partner? and you both want to get through this as well and healthy as possible? Then avoid these sites and these people.

I understand it can feel compelling having all these people tell you how right you are and how awful your spouse is but is that really going to help?
Please avoid these sites, you will fall into a hole. Please reach to friends and people that you know and who love you. Try to get proper professional help with people who understand LGBTIA issues.

I want you finally to know you arent alone and please dont become a tool for these people on mums net who are already lost. They can sense you are vunerable and will definielty use that.

Do you think that it is acceptable that this person has lied to the woman that he supposedly loves about who he is?
Do you think that it is OK that he has lied about wanting more children?
Do you think that its OK that this will be a sexless (the act of sex, just to be clear) marriage?
Do you think that its OK that the OP (if she stays) will be forced into being this persons emotional support?
Do you think that its OK for the spouse to emotionally blackmail the OP into staying with them (crying and begging)?
Do you think its OK that the OP will be expected to lie/deceive people about the state of their relationship and how long should she be doing this for?

All of the above would be asked if this was a heterosexual male.

The only additional add is

Do you think that its OK for the OP (should she decide to stay) to not know the extent at which the transition will go and how much support she will will be expected to give?

Just as an additional point,
Are you aware that stopping someone finding different views and talking to people that you believe that they shouldn't, would be considered abusive in a relationship situation and its how abusers get away with it for so long.

Heylittlesongbird · 26/05/2025 07:16

FairAdvocate · 26/05/2025 05:04

Im going to be honest with you, Mums net is not a good place to get advice for this.
Its a known hate website against transgender people and almost all of them here will do is try to lure you down and hate your current or soon to be not current partner.
Its perfectly fine to want to leave her. But I really just want to caution you because alot of these people dont want to help you; they want to turn you.
Avoid trans widows. Its another lure for the same thing.
I imagine you dont want to hate your partner? and you both want to get through this as well and healthy as possible? Then avoid these sites and these people.

I understand it can feel compelling having all these people tell you how right you are and how awful your spouse is but is that really going to help?
Please avoid these sites, you will fall into a hole. Please reach to friends and people that you know and who love you. Try to get proper professional help with people who understand LGBTIA issues.

I want you finally to know you arent alone and please dont become a tool for these people on mums net who are already lost. They can sense you are vunerable and will definielty use that.

I disagree that mumsnet will lure OP down. In fact, I think 98% of people on this post want to offer support to OP to help her climb her highest mountain.

The other 2% of hectoring TRAs seem intent on derailing the thread and hoping to scare OP off.

OP, I really hope you’re ok, I can’t imagine what you must be going through. Sending you strength for what lies ahead.

Zita60 · 26/05/2025 07:38

@FairAdvocate Avoid trans widows. Its another lure for the same thing.

Transwidows are speaking about their own experiences in the same situation as the OP. As you saying they are all lying and no-one must ever listen to them?

Zita60 · 26/05/2025 07:42

@FrippEnos to @FairAdvocate Are you aware that stopping someone finding different views and talking to people that you believe that they shouldn't, would be considered abusive in a relationship situation and its how abusers get away with it for so long.

Exactly. OP needs as much information as possible about what happens in these situations, to help her decide what to do.

@FairAdvocate is not a fair advocate in this situation.

Radionowhere · 26/05/2025 07:45

SnoopyPajamas · 25/05/2025 19:29

I understand how overwhelming this situation must be, but I think it's important to take a step back and consider if you're being a bit selfish in your approach.

She isn't. And for you to imply this is the last thing she needs.

You're framing the annulment as a way to get out of a marriage that isn’t going the way you expected, but you're overlooking the very real emotional journey your husband is going through

No, she's realising the entire marriage is built on a false foundation. And that her husband essentially tried to trap her into staying with him, by waiting until the ink was dry on the marriage certificate to tell her about his 'emotional journey'. Knowing that it's harder to walk away from a marriage than a relationship, and that women like you will come along to act as his flying monkeys and convince her she has an obligation to stay.

His "emotional journey" is not more important than the OP's feelings. He can navigate his own transition, and make his emotional well-being his own priority. OP doesn't owe him her support on this "journey".

Sometimes the things we choose to do in life have consequences. The consequences of OP's husband 'living his truth' is that he loses his wife. A decent man would understand this, and would not put the least pressure on her to stay. He would give her everything she needs in the divorce, give her the apology she deserves for the years he has wasted of her life (and for the horrible shock he's just given her) and then he would walk away, and never let anyone say a word against her for the rest of his life.

He’s shared something deeply personal with you—something he’s likely struggled with for a long time—and instead of being there for him, you're thinking of ending things over an issue that goes beyond just a change in sexual intimacy.

Stop underplaying OP's feelings. For goodness sakes. Sexual intimacy will always ebb and flow in a marriage. That's normal and expected. It is not normal to wait until you're married and then tell your partner that actually, you want to make huge changes to your physical appearance, that will fundamentally affect their attraction to you. Oh, and also, from now on, sex will only be conducted in accordance with a particular sexual fetish. And if they don't accept these conditions, the marriage will become completely sexless.

That's not a "change in sexual intimacy". It's an irredeemable warping of their entire sexual relationship.

That's not a minor or expected issue in a marriage. And OP wasn't aware it could even be a factor when she married this man. He, on the other hand, knew it full well. How is that fair? Fuck him, and his "long struggle".

Yes, it’s hard when the person you love suddenly expresses something so radically different from what you thought was the foundation of your relationship.

It's not just "hard" and "different". It reveals the entire foundation of that relationship to be a fraud. OP has every right to feel betrayed, and every right to walk away.

If her husband was gay, would you tell her to stay and get over it? If she discovered he had used prostitutes for years, or had thousands of pounds of debt he had hidden from her, would you insist he's still the man she loved? This is no different. What her husband has hidden from her here is huge, and fundamentally alters the relationship. He is not the man she thought he was. Not the man she agreed to marry. The person she loves was a fiction.

But this is about his identity and his truth, not just about your personal comfort or the way you thought your life would unfold.

Why is it about his identity? OP had an identity too. As a heterosexual wife to a man she thought she knew. Why does her husband's personal comfort matter more than hers? Why are you shaming her for wanting the marriage she signed up for? Her husband just utterly blindsided her. Why are you so set on minimising the absolute bomb he has just dropped on her life?

It’s clear that you loved him for who he was before, and this might be an opportunity for you to love him through a very painful transformation.

Tell me you're kidding me.

She loved the man she thought he was. She has now discovered no such person exists. He pretended to be someone else. He let her marry and have a child with him, wasting years of her life where she could have had an honest relationship - with a man, like the man she thought she already had. The man she trusted.

He waited to share this side of himself, until she had made a commitment to him in ignorance. And now he's trying to guilt her into staying, instead of having the decency to set her free.

She doesn't have to "love him through it". She can love herself, and leave him.

Relationships change, sometimes in ways that are unexpected and difficult, but that doesn’t mean the commitment you made to each other should be tossed aside when things get complicated.

He hasn't lost his hair. He hasn't lost his job. He hasn't been struck by a sudden illness.

He lied. They are fundamentally incompatible. OP isn't making some frivolous choice to 'toss aside' their marriage. She's walking away from a commitment her husband secured under false pretenses. She only married him because he lied. Put whatever gloss on it you want. That's the truth.

You're focusing on your own discomfort without truly considering the weight of what your husband is going through.

Fine by me.

I realise in the world of the trans cult, we're supposed to see this a gut-wrenching decision he had no control over. That's clearly your perspective. But in the real world, OP's husband is either a closeted gay man, or, more likely, an autogynephile who has let his sexual fetish consume him, to the point where he now feels compelled to womanface full time, and drag other people into it. His wife will be expected to live in service to his fantasy, while everyone else feels sorry for him and handwaves away his abject selfishness.

I could not care less about the feelings of such a man. My compassion is all for his wife, and I'm not ashamed of that.

Till death do us part IMO. This is more about you than him.

OP signed her life away under false pretenses. The marriage contract is null and void already. Besides - the man she thought she married is about to become 'dead' to her anyway. The name she used in her wedding vows will soon be the 'deadname' of someone who never truly existed.

She owes him nothing.

As for "more about you than him" . . . oh, don't make me laugh. Much like your own post, this is all about him. His feelings, his 'journey', his expectations and desires and actions. This entire thing boils down to his self-image. A vulnerable narcissist is still a narcissist.

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Sorry for the wall of text, everyone! But this post exemplifies so many people's attitudes to women who find themselves in this situation, and I really wanted to break down the whole thing. Maybe one day soon it'll stick, and we'll stop seeing this sort of thing aimed at women like OP.

Very well put.

RogersOrganismicProcess · 26/05/2025 07:46

It is not bigoted or hateful to offer support to a woman who has just been told by her partner of several years, and husband of three months, that he has not consummated the marriage because he finds sex with her disgusting. (After shaming her for wanting sex in the first place).
Key concerns: disgust, shame and needs.

It is not bigoted or hateful to offer support to a woman whose own boundaries of sexuality are not being respected or given equal value. She consented to a heterosexual marriage only.
Key concern: consent

It is not bigoted or hateful to support a woman whose partner/husband has been deceitful to her. This support is the norm on mumsnet.
Key concern: deceit.

It is not bigoted or hateful to support a woman, who has only just found out some life altering news for her family, and who is being manipulated with cries of transphobia from the very person who initiated this whole situation.
key concerns: shock and manipulation

So, the key concern from the vast majority of posters are the issues impacting the woman who came seeking support. It is not bigoted or hateful to centre her needs over her husband’s.

Pupinskipops · 26/05/2025 08:06

DistanceCall · 26/05/2025 06:32

No? "Have you finished?" "There's no point in coming back at me again with further fulmination."

Nauseating condescending mansplaining in the name of "kindness".

There reaches a point when you get fed up with the same people coming back with the same points expressed in increasingly outrageously vitriolic and personally aggressive tones. If my response to that is nauseating to you, so be it. I make no apology for responding in blunt terms to the unbridled and in some cases hysterical abuse levelled at me. You've lifted my words in response to a comment, I believe, from FlakySomebodyOrOther whose personal comments aimed at me are, by any definition, unhinged.

Incidentally, at the risk of sounding condescending - in order to mansplain you have to be a man.

NuttyGooner · 26/05/2025 08:10

FairAdvocate · 26/05/2025 05:04

Im going to be honest with you, Mums net is not a good place to get advice for this.
Its a known hate website against transgender people and almost all of them here will do is try to lure you down and hate your current or soon to be not current partner.
Its perfectly fine to want to leave her. But I really just want to caution you because alot of these people dont want to help you; they want to turn you.
Avoid trans widows. Its another lure for the same thing.
I imagine you dont want to hate your partner? and you both want to get through this as well and healthy as possible? Then avoid these sites and these people.

I understand it can feel compelling having all these people tell you how right you are and how awful your spouse is but is that really going to help?
Please avoid these sites, you will fall into a hole. Please reach to friends and people that you know and who love you. Try to get proper professional help with people who understand LGBTIA issues.

I want you finally to know you arent alone and please dont become a tool for these people on mums net who are already lost. They can sense you are vunerable and will definielty use that.

"Yes, talking to other women isn't a good thing to do when you have been tricked into entering a sham marriage...

Think of your husband, and his feelings... HIS JOURNEY! Forget that he and other Men's Sexual Demands Activists are trying to manipulate you into spending the rest of your life being an emotional support animal, a supporting character, a prop, a role that you didn't sign up for.

Good wives are supposed to support their spouses, no matter what, and you should be DELIGHTED that you are being coerced into a fake lesbian relationship that you didn't want!"

"FairAdvocate" - is neither fair, nor an advocate, and stick that rapey rhetoric where the sun doesn't shine.

@confusedpasty your feelings are very valid, oh, and go for that annulment, keep your pension safe.

NuttyGooner · 26/05/2025 08:12

Zita60 · 26/05/2025 07:38

@FairAdvocate Avoid trans widows. Its another lure for the same thing.

Transwidows are speaking about their own experiences in the same situation as the OP. As you saying they are all lying and no-one must ever listen to them?

Women speaking out openly, and without the permission of men, makes abusive men sad.

Can't be having women talking and empowering themselves when placed in shitty situations by the very men they are supposed to be able to trust, oh no!

Heylittlesongbird · 26/05/2025 08:13

Pupinskipops · 26/05/2025 08:06

There reaches a point when you get fed up with the same people coming back with the same points expressed in increasingly outrageously vitriolic and personally aggressive tones. If my response to that is nauseating to you, so be it. I make no apology for responding in blunt terms to the unbridled and in some cases hysterical abuse levelled at me. You've lifted my words in response to a comment, I believe, from FlakySomebodyOrOther whose personal comments aimed at me are, by any definition, unhinged.

Incidentally, at the risk of sounding condescending - in order to mansplain you have to be a man.

My issue with you is that you are taking the thread down a number of rabbit holes that aren’t pertinent to the OPs actual posts. It is neither relevant nor helpful.
And before you say it, no I’m not the thread police, yes you can use a public forum in whatever way you like, and I’m quite certain that you will do so.

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