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Should my wife support me on this?

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OzzyGrandad · 10/05/2025 07:19

My wife & I attended a Christmas dinner at our daughters in laws. The dinner was on the table but there were still a few items to be placed & finalized. I asked my daughters mother in law if it was ok to start, she said yes. The rest of the party sat down & I had already begun eating. (I admit was not a good move). I believe the son of the mother in law wanted to say grace before dinner & was angry that I had started. He launched into a tirade of abuse, aggressively belittling me about my bad manners. I tried to explain that his mother had said it was ok to start, but this was ignored. I remained calm for the rest of the evening & then we went home. The next day I texted the son, explained my position & informed him that I would not tolerate such verbal abuse again, hoping he would regret being so abusive & apologize. He texted back, F off D Head.
We drop our grandson at his house every weekend & he returns him on Sunday. I asked my wife, when he drops his son off, to be courteous, but to not show any of the usual friendliness, just pick him up & say goodbye until he apologizes to me for his behavior. My wife refused, saying it was between me & him. She behaved as if nothing had happened & was friendly.
My question to the readers of this story is, should my wife have agreed to just be courteous & not friendly, or was she right to ignore my feelings on the matter.

OP posts:
Nanny0gg · 10/05/2025 10:09

OzzyGrandad · 10/05/2025 08:22

Relying to sesquipedalian. I was not sitting there with cutlery in hand. Everything was set & almost ready to go. The dinner was getting cold, our family does not say grace & neither did this family in the previous years. This year there was someone in attendance who was religious, so I presume this is why they decided to do it this year. The MIL could have quite easily said we are going to say grace so could you please wait, but I don't think she knew that the son was going to say grace, so she said yes, "get stuck in". My issue is with how the son treated me that day, extremely disrespectfully.

Grace or no grace you shouldn't have asked to start

You should have waited till everyone was seated

I feel very sorry for the little boy in the middle of this shitshow

TurkeyLurkey4 · 10/05/2025 10:11

You sound like my FIL. Constantly sits down to eat at big family meals and just tucks in when he feels like it, without a thought for the people who prepared the meal and haven’t even sat down yet. Then acts wounded & victimised if anyone asks him to wait.

Eating before others have sat down is selfish and bad manners.

You expecting your wife to behave a certain way towards her own family members because you’ve been called out for your own bad behaviour is controlling.

If you want to get along better with your family, try common courtesies like waiting for everyone to sit down at the table to eat together.

with that said, your son in law shouldn’t have spoken to you like that.

Friendtotheanimals · 10/05/2025 10:12

Sure, tucking into a meal a little before everyone else is a bit rude but does not warrant the verbal abuse you say the father of your grandchild directed at you.

His reaction sounds as if it was way out of proportion. Perhaps I've missed something but did no one tell him to calm down at the time?

Or it is more than likely that if he gets this emotionally dysregulated over something relatively minor, he would also kick off if asked to pull his head in, therefore others generally walk on eggshells around him?

I am making an assumption here but I think asking someone who acts like this for an apology is like a red rag to a bull. I totally get why you wanted one. But I also think his response was also highly predictable, given that he doesn't seem like the greatest guy, having got your disabled and presumably quite vulnerable daughter pregnant (as you mention a few posts later).

I don't think you deserved the treatment you got from him at the meal, or his abusive text response. But I'm not sure you could have expected anything different. When people show you who they are, you're only going to stress yourself out (and your wife) if you keep on insisting they should be different from how they generally are.

I get that you want your wife to be a bit coldly civil to him as a show of support for you, but ask yourself how that in any way helps the relationship you have with your grandson, in terms of the trouble his father may have the potential to cause.

It's obvious you won't get what you want from him. And any apology, should it ever be forthcoming, would likely be empty.

Focus on your grandson and his needs and don't let his father live rent free in your head. He is the way he is and you wanting him to meet your standards is only going to give you a heart attack.

Take the high road. And good luck.
I'm not underestimating that it's probably a very challenging situation all round.

schoollane · 10/05/2025 10:13

In my family it's fine to start eating once you have your food, especially for something like a roast which is all on the table. I wouldn't find that rude at all.

Also we say grace which after all is being thankful for the food so it's very peverse to turn that into something to verbally abuse someone over. We just say it when everyone has sat down, doesn't matter if someone has started eating - perhaps they are even more thankful for the food as they've tasted it!

That said it sounds like a very complex situation and whilst it seems like you and your wife should have extremely tight boundaries around this man, it's probably worth being as amicable as possible for the sake of your grandson.

But I hope your wife backs you in private.

amusedbush · 10/05/2025 10:14

Yes, Christmas was months ago but context is everything, and we don't know what his grandson's father (GSF) actually said.

Snapping "ffs, can you not wait until my mum sits down??" would be a bit embarrassing in front of the other guests, but not worth dragging out for months. On the other hand, if GSF went after OP's character with a barrage of personal insults, that's a much harder bell to "unring".

OP, for what it's worth, I don't think you did anything wrong in the moment. You asked the host if it was okay to start eating, and you had no reason to suspect that GSF's would be saying grace if he has never done it before. It sounds like his reaction to you eating was totally disproportionate but, as I said, it really depends what was said.

Thelnebriati · 10/05/2025 10:17

''I have remained courteous but not friendly & have asked my wife to do the same, to make him aware of how humiliated I feel, but she does not understand my feelings on this & is still supporting him.''

You believe that if your wife really understood how you felt, she would support you. But you are mistaken. It is possible to really understand how a person feels, and feel differently, or have a different point of view from them.

You behaved rudely, someone else reacted to your behaviour, and instead of sorting it out between yourselves you are making a display of how displeased you are. That is controlling behaviour.

Your wife has no obligation to enable your poor behaviour.

pinkdelight · 10/05/2025 10:17

willowtree99 · 10/05/2025 10:06

Where is your daughter in all this?

How does she feel about her husband and father at loggerheads?

He's explained about the daughter and he's not a husband.

sprigatito · 10/05/2025 10:17

I think you should both put your todgers away and focus on what matters, ie the small child who is stuck in the middle and doesn’t need any more strife. Thank goodness your wife seems to be a functioning adult.

Whoarethoseguys · 10/05/2025 10:18

OzzyGrandad · 10/05/2025 09:04

relying to HopingForTheBest25 It is not mandated by the court for him to have access. My wife & I want our grandson's father in his life. We want to have a good relationship, but, unfortunately I can't get over the torrent of aggressive abuse I received that day. I have remained courteous but not friendly & have asked my wife to do the same, to make him aware of how humiliated I feel, but she does not understand my feelings on this & is still supporting him. In other words "Abuse my husband all you want, anytime, we can still be friends". No need to apologize.

The point is , he is your grandsons father
Forget about your own feelings and think about him. He is what matters here. Not your jury feelings.
That poor little boy. He must feel torn between you all.

Digdongdoo · 10/05/2025 10:18

You were rude, he was rude. You're ridiculous to still be stewing over it and trying to drag your DW into it. Be the bigger man.

Starlight7080 · 10/05/2025 10:24

He should not have spoken to you that way. His reaction seems very ott. And not nice at all.
But I understand your wife probably just doesn't want to rock the boat .

ClarasSisters · 10/05/2025 10:30

You've been stewing on this since Christmas?!

Mothership4two · 10/05/2025 10:34

Frankly I think you have bigger fish to fry. If you both want to keep your grandson's father in his life, which also means yours, then the best thing would be to let it go. I imagine that is what your wife is thinking. It's pretty obvious that he is never going to apologise - I expect he thinks you were in the wrong not him. I hope you are not giving your wife a hard time for her 'disloyalty'. I'd carry on being 'courteous'.

Mothership4two · 10/05/2025 10:42

pinkdelight · 10/05/2025 10:17

He's explained about the daughter and he's not a husband.

TBF it's a bit confusing. OP called them his daughter's in-laws in the OP and has also called him his son-in-law.

I'm not sure where the daughter is in all of this. Presume she is elsewhere in residential care? But that might not be the case.

VivX · 10/05/2025 10:48

You and he were both in the wrong. Your wife is wise to stay out of it and just continue as normal.
As a grown adult, you were unreasonable to even consider starting to eat before everyone else was ready, never mind actually ask and put the hosts in an awkward position.
He was unreasonable to make such an issue of it.
You are being very unreasonable to ask your wife to take sides as if you were all still in primary school.

Also, it's May now and you just need to get over it and move on.

Ophy83 · 10/05/2025 10:48

Sounds like, between the two of you men, you ruined Christmas dinner. I hope that at least one of you helped to prepare it before you spoiled everything. If not I feel very sorry for the cook(s) who would have put in a lot of effort.

Your wife and son must have been mortified.

Cognacsoft · 10/05/2025 10:48

Your grandson’s father has no self respect, getting a disabled person pregnant
( depending on the disability) not taking on his own dc and not paying support, so he certainly won’t respect anyone else.

You have to let it go for the dc’s sake but I would grey rock him.
I wouldn’t dream of starting my Christmas lunch until everyone was seated and settled but if you apologised then he should accept that. His response was hardly christian.

INeedAnotherName · 10/05/2025 10:51

I'm confused. Was the MIL the person hosting the Christmas Dinner? If not then it wasn't her place to tell you to start eating anyway. However no reasonable adult would ask to start eating before everyone is sat down, however children certainly would. You were very rude, then asked the wrong person, and now you are blaming your wife for not supporting your childish behaviour. It seems you don't have to see them again if your wife is doing all the pick ups and drop off so my advice is to just let it go, move on. And don't go for Christmas Dinner again.

thestudio · 10/05/2025 10:52

Op, the grace thing is a red herring. it would have been incredibly rude and boorish in any circumstances to start eating a celebratory meal - one which has taken days to think about, shop for, prepare and cook - before everyone was seated and you'd been invited to start by the host/ess. What on earth were you thinking?

Yes, it's even ruder to abuse someone publicly for their behaviour. But your behaviour was pretty bad. And was it really a 'tirade' - or are you just unused to being held to account for anything?

I guess in these circumstances if I were your wife I would try to make some kind of peace, but I would insist that you apologised first.

I wonder if you often ignore/are unaware of social norms and your wife is often in the position of having to smooth things over? She might be absolutely fed up of it if so.

PS you need to put @ before the username for that person to be alerted. Or you can use the quote function and their answer will appear before yours.

JillAndJenTheFlowerpotMen · 10/05/2025 10:53

It’s rude to start eating before your hosts have signalled the meal has started.

its also bad to be verbally aggressive, but you need to acknowledge that you were really ill-mannered.

Perhapsanothertime · 10/05/2025 10:54

I think people have been pretty unfair to you here. I couldn’t care less when people start to eat, if I’m with a group and food is sat there I don’t expect them to ruin their own meal by waiting for me to get mine etc.

You didn’t just start, you asked and the host said it was fine. Even if the hosts son did have a problem with it, he’s dealt with it very poorly. And it’s hardly a big deal is it? Eating some food ffs. Was he already rude, or was the relationship already strained and he wanted a reason to have a go?

Delphiniumandlupins · 10/05/2025 10:57

You might be in the right but he's not going to apologise now, however coldly your wife treats him. You were wrong to start eating before everyone was at the table (and wrong to ask if you could). You were wrong to ask him to apologise. Of course, he was very wrong to verbally abuse you. Your wife is right to try to put this incident in the past, this will be better for your grandson too.

LimitedBrightSpots · 10/05/2025 11:00

Two men behave badly and it's for the women to sort it out?

I bet they'd done most of the prep for the meal too.

Why not offer to help if there's still bits and pieces to be done, rather than sitting down and starting eating?

Azureshores · 10/05/2025 11:00

I agree with you that he had no right to speak to you like that, he sounds like a crappy person all round.

I suspect your wife won't follow your wishes as she knows full well he could take full custody of your gs if he wanted to be spiteful.

Don't let it sully the relationship between you and your wife. Try to understand why she's polite to him.

ginasevern · 10/05/2025 11:01

You were rude to start eating before everything was on the table and everyone was ready. I know you asked, but your daughter's in laws probably felt too awkward to say no to your request. Your BIL should not have launched into an abusive tirade and there is a certain irony in that his reason was because he'd been denied "praising the lord". I suspect there's some history here.

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