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Is he with me for the wrong reasons?

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ComingFromTheSamePlace · 08/05/2025 07:41

I've been with my partner for around 3 years.

He's told me I'm 'everything' he's ever wanted. We're both older (50 and 61).

Except that isn't true because I don't possess any of the actual qualities/features of women he's told me finds attractive or sexually appealing.

In fact, the only thing I'm confident he likes about me is that I've challenged some of his thinking and he now sees the world differently in some respects.

Like a university lecturer might challenge or change the way a student thinks.

But that doesn't really inspire physical attraction. I feel he is with me because his life is intellectually richer with me in it but that's about all.

Does it matter?

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Eagle2025 · 10/05/2025 20:01

I guess then you just need to ask are you happy in this relationship. If not then I guess you leave him. Does he know you feel this way?

ComingFromTheSamePlace · 10/05/2025 20:20

Looked awful in photos in 1989?! How's that relevant now, its 35 years ago!

I just stopped having my photo taken after that comment. 1989 became 1990, which became 1991 and here we are now where not having photos taken is something I've successfully avoided for, yes, around 35 years.

Obviously, there are times I can't avoid it, like work and weddings and ex hobby related, but generally, I avoid it.

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ComingFromTheSamePlace · 10/05/2025 20:26

Eagle2025 · 10/05/2025 20:01

I guess then you just need to ask are you happy in this relationship. If not then I guess you leave him. Does he know you feel this way?

Yeah, I know

I'm happy when we're just having a laugh on the sofa on a Thursday evening

Happy when we're debating and discussing.

I'm happy when I'm at work, or at home or with our respective families because all those times are good.

I'm not happy with how I feel when we go out because even though he's stopped saying these things, I'm.still aware it's what he thinks. I'm hyper vigilant and hyper aware, and I don't like that. And even when I'm ar work or at home or with our respective families, I'm still not 100% relaxed or happy or comfortable.

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Deckings · 10/05/2025 20:28

You sound like a woman who a good hairdresser, make up artist, and stylist could do a huge amount with.

You are hyper aware of your features that I am surprised you haven't done these things for yourself at your age.

All three can give you a huge bump in how you feel post menopause and worth every penny spent.

Besides this man who has managed among other to make you feel shit anout yourself, I think you should invest in you.

Missj25 · 10/05/2025 21:27

ComingFromTheSamePlace · 10/05/2025 18:09

I haven't had many relationships and I've already detailed the main three. I stuck with the previous one because I had been single for so long and I'd liked him from a distance for so long. And it was covid... But it didn't work because he was ultimately clear that I wasn't young, slim, pretty or sexy enough for him and he was embarrassed to be seen with me. So, once lockdown restrictions lifted and I realised this, I ended it.

My marriage had ended around 10 years before that.

My marriage didn't affect my self esteem. It was just a weird non-marriage friendship. He's happily remarried and I wished them both well and meant it. No hard feelings.

This relationship has stung me though.

I put my exh down to us just being incompatible and too daft to realise we should have waited for more.

I put my ex boyfriend down as an immature misogynist.

But my partner? I had my partner down as someone who was genuinely and holistically attracted to me. We'd already known each other for a few years. Everything just fell into place and was so easy and comfortable. He'd (apparently) liked me from afar for a while, we got on really well and, once we were together, got on even better than I'd have ever imagined. We'd only really spent time together in a group before.

You read about people saying that meeting the right person feels like 'coming home' and that's how it felt. Everything was just so easy.

I felt comfortable and confident around him. I trusted him. I had no reason not to and I wasn't bitter and damaged by my experiences. And it was all good. There were no great declarations, no great promises just slowly taking it as it came.

So when the first "X is really pretty" came, I didn't think anything of it. Or when "The Welsh accent is really sexy. I love women with Welsh accent" came, I wasn't hugely bothered.

The realisation that, hang on, none of these things he finds attractive or sexually appealing are me and none of what is 'me' are things he finds attractive dawned slowly.

And then when he said my friend was sexy, and he told me he'd never really seen me 'that way' anyway and he commented on how I could make myself more appealing (sexy) by dressing a particular way for my hobby...

Well, it started to feel less like a self esteem issue and more like a pattern I've seen before.

But I feel like I've been blindsided by it really. I just didn't see it coming. And, for the first time ever, the future just seemed to he writing itself and now I'm faced with the reality that it isn't what I thought it was, however long either of us sticks it out (me until I'm brave enough to stop feeling like this; him until he meets someone who does actually tick some of his boxes), it already has an expiry date.

And that's just quite hard to process and accept, tbh.

And, no, I don't have similar feelings elsewhere. I do feel like I don't matter but I think that's probably tied up.with a lot of things. But I don't compare myself to others and find myself lacking there, no.

It seems to happen in the eyes of others, but not my own.

OP this guy is not for you , I don’t care how well ye get on ..
First & foremost to turn around & tell you , your friend is sexy , (DICK ) , saying he doesn’t see you in that way ! !
Suggesting how you could dress sexier , he’s lowering your self esteem bit by bit ..
There is no woman who would like to be spoken to like this ..
He has a very negative effect on you , so tell me how is this guy the one .
He’s not …..

ComingFromTheSamePlace · 10/05/2025 21:50

Deckings · 10/05/2025 20:28

You sound like a woman who a good hairdresser, make up artist, and stylist could do a huge amount with.

You are hyper aware of your features that I am surprised you haven't done these things for yourself at your age.

All three can give you a huge bump in how you feel post menopause and worth every penny spent.

Besides this man who has managed among other to make you feel shit anout yourself, I think you should invest in you.

Tbh, I don't really like the feel of make up on my face. Whenever I've seen people who've had their make up done, they always look 'overdone' to me.

I used to have a really heavy 'goth' look when I was younger. I'd still want that type of look now if I were going to get it done. Not heavy goth but 'smoky' I suppose.

I've thought about it but I'm wary of them making me look like their idea of 'a 50 year old woman'.

I wouldn't even know where to go.

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Aria999 · 10/05/2025 21:56

I'm increasingly convinced it's not you, it's him.

ComingFromTheSamePlace · 10/05/2025 21:59

Missj25 · 10/05/2025 21:27

OP this guy is not for you , I don’t care how well ye get on ..
First & foremost to turn around & tell you , your friend is sexy , (DICK ) , saying he doesn’t see you in that way ! !
Suggesting how you could dress sexier , he’s lowering your self esteem bit by bit ..
There is no woman who would like to be spoken to like this ..
He has a very negative effect on you , so tell me how is this guy the one .
He’s not …..

That's part of the problem.

It feels like he's two different people. And I know that's how arseholes work but literally nobody has anything bad to say about him including his ex wife and his ex partner.

I can't believe he's reserved these comments for me alone so his exes must have heard similar?

Or maybe he did absolutely adore them and he really is just 'settling' for me?

Maybe their physical attributes were worth more to him than my intellectual ones?

Maybe he is attracted to my personality but the physical exterior just doesn't do it for him?

I remember all the times I used to have a sense of being like a match that burned brightly but only for a very short time. Maybe that really was just who I am.

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Eagle2025 · 10/05/2025 22:01

ComingFromTheSamePlace · 10/05/2025 21:59

That's part of the problem.

It feels like he's two different people. And I know that's how arseholes work but literally nobody has anything bad to say about him including his ex wife and his ex partner.

I can't believe he's reserved these comments for me alone so his exes must have heard similar?

Or maybe he did absolutely adore them and he really is just 'settling' for me?

Maybe their physical attributes were worth more to him than my intellectual ones?

Maybe he is attracted to my personality but the physical exterior just doesn't do it for him?

I remember all the times I used to have a sense of being like a match that burned brightly but only for a very short time. Maybe that really was just who I am.

You've spoken to both his ex wife and ex partner?

womanwithissues · 10/05/2025 22:08

He's making you question yourself. Look back at what you've said on this thread. It's gaslighting 101.

ComingFromTheSamePlace · 10/05/2025 22:14

Eagle2025 · 10/05/2025 22:01

You've spoken to both his ex wife and ex partner?

Yes.

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Aria999 · 10/05/2025 22:14

Either way I think if you continue to have sex with someone you should not let them believe you don't find them attractive. That's just basic manners! No wonder you are questioning yourself.

I fear it might be time to ditch this one OP for your own self respect, hard to do when much of it is still fun but I am not sure it's going to get better.

BuddhaAtSea · 10/05/2025 22:21

I read most of your replies, @ComingFromTheSamePlace , and what struck me wasn’t the relationship you have with your partner, but the relationship you have with yourself. It’s like you don’t know who you are anymore. You come across as lost, hope I’m making sense here, I am rather tired.

It’s like you’re saying ‘I’m clever. I’m nothing like what he wants. I’m hiding. I’m not sexy. It’s all my fault.’
This man, and those before him, have messed with your head something terrible.

You do look inside you and judge yourself from his/other’s perspective. But what about who you really are?

BuddhaAtSea · 10/05/2025 22:37

ComingFromTheSamePlace · 10/05/2025 21:50

Tbh, I don't really like the feel of make up on my face. Whenever I've seen people who've had their make up done, they always look 'overdone' to me.

I used to have a really heavy 'goth' look when I was younger. I'd still want that type of look now if I were going to get it done. Not heavy goth but 'smoky' I suppose.

I've thought about it but I'm wary of them making me look like their idea of 'a 50 year old woman'.

I wouldn't even know where to go.

I’m in my 50’s. And I wear make up for myself, because without it, I look ill. I’m at that stage where my face is sagging, my hair is going gray and my body has changed so much I gave myself body dysmorphia, I had no idea what actually suited me.
It’s only this year I finally decided to get to grips with it all.
I never had boobs, I’m now an FF. Before I always wore boat necks or crew neck, they really suited me. These days, big boobs and saggy face means a boatneck makes me look like I have no neck. So very reluctantly I moved on to V necks, which suit me so much better and I don’t feel like I look like shit all the time But it was weird, after 30 odd years of one style. My colouring has changed, my skin is dull, so a bit of blusher with highlighter makes me look healthy. It’s like I get to dress and present this other person, a new person who is rather unfamiliar.
I don’t do it to make myself sexy for a man or any bullshit like that. I do it all for me, as a recognition of who I am now.
I’m menopausal, I give zero fucks these days. But I still think how I present myself is a reflection of how I feel about myself.

Enrichetta · 10/05/2025 22:39

I admit I’ve only read the first couple of pages of comments and skim read your posts, @ComingFromTheSamePlace but two things jumped out at me…

This man is not right for you, not now, not ever.

Therapy might help you with your poor self-worth.

Deckings · 11/05/2025 00:18

OP I am 60 with excellent skin and wear a mineral baked makeup that goes on with a big brush. My face is done in a few minutes. With a lipstick I am very lightly made up and look polished.

As you age the natural finish is best as it doesn't highlight older skin and imperfections, sinking into lines.
Get Tretinoin from your GP for fine lines, its raved about on MN constantly.

Pop into your local store and try looks, ask for advice.

Go to an excellent hairdresser and ask about what would suit your face.

For clothes, smart casual is a good interchangeable look with well cut denims, trousers, short blazers.
A good stylist would sort you out.
Those that are good can literally transform your wardrobe with colour, cut and items you have never considered.

You really are worth it.
I really don't believe this guy is for you.
He has decimated your sense of yourself.

Sunflowers67 · 11/05/2025 00:39

Any chance of putting him back into the 'friend' box again? If you enjoy his company and find him to be good company most of the time, maybe both of you are hanging in there so as not to ruin that?
It does seem that maybe he has 'friended' you with some of the comments he has made about other women and what he finds appealing. Or he is so comfortable in your company that he tells you anything. He may be a little dense/out of practice in the ways of us women and really had no idea that his honesty was just a little too much and hurt you.
But what do I know - relationships don't seem to be my strong point. Its a good job Harold Shipman was married or I probably would have found him 'nice'.

ComingFromTheSamePlace · 11/05/2025 09:20

It does seem that maybe he has 'friended' you with some of the comments he has made about other women and what he finds appealing. Or he is so comfortable in your company that he tells you anything. He may be a little dense/out of practice in the ways of us women and really had no idea that his honesty was just a little too much and hurt you.

I think you've summed it up really well, tbh.

I feel 'friended'. I am aware that I conflate some of the things he has said with things my previous ex boyfriend said. I hear them with the same intention, and I know his intention was to hurt. He was a misogynist and had some very 'incel' ideas about women. So the fact my partner has said some similar things has really rattled me, tbh. Because he doesn't hate women and doesn't share any 'incel' thoughts or ideas but his feelings around and attraction towards me are maybe in the same place?

I don't know if he said them with the same intention but I have responded as though he did. And maybe that's all that actually matters.

So I feel 'friended' and very much put back 'in my lane' - there are these women over here who are 'attractive, desirable and sexy' for whatever and many reasons and then there are these women over here who are 'realistically dateable'. I'm in the 'realistically dateable' group. I don't inspire desire or passion but I'm 'attractive enough' to not be 'invisible'. And that's something I've experienced before.

I don't think he's 'out of practice in the ways of women' because he's had at least two very successful long term relationships. Either he said similar things to them but they felt so confident in themselves and his love for them and their own attractiveness that they just rolled their eyes and laughed it off. Or he sees me as 'less' and intentionally set out to let me know I'm not good enough.

I don't know if I'd have felt this way if I hadn't had the experience with my ex boyfriend because I know he's not alone in some of his thoughts/beliefs and I wonder sometimes if he was just giving me an insight into 'how most/many men think but usually have the good sense to keep hidden'.

My partner treats me very well. If I were to look at his actions (rather than listen his words) then I would feel absolutely loved, adored and cherished for the most part. And it's not like he never says the words. I found it difficult to think about it yesterday because I felt so low and confused but he does tell me he loves me daily, there is casual intimacy at home and he does very occasionally tell me I have a 'beautiful face'.

But I don't inspire passion or desire in him. He doesn't find me sexy and he never gives reason to think that he does. And what is unsaid is often louder than what is said. All I hear when he does occasionally pay me a compliment is the things he will never say to me that he has said about others.

He's never been captivated by me in the way he's captivated by my [insert nationality] friend because she represents an actual love and passion for him.

He's unlikely to have entertained sitting with a group of young women at a festival if they hadn't had 'Welsh' accents because he's not that socially confident but they represented sexual desire for him (even if he didn't actually 'fancy' any of them individually) and he'll have enjoyed being surrounded by that.

He simply wouldn't have entertained sitting through an entire set of music he hated unless he was captivated by the singer because he never does and he certainly wouldn't had it been a sweaty man singing.

But those are maybe 'unimportant'. Maybe it doesn't matter that he finds other women sexualy desirable or beautiful or attractive or notices them for whatever reason.

Maybe the problem is that I just don't inspire those same feelings of passion or desire in him?

And maybe he wouldn't have suggested I dressed more provocatively/sexily for my hobby if I was desirable to him anyway and if he hadn't found the woman he suggested I dressed like more arousing. Because it wouldn't have occurred to him because I would have been enough as I was.

I participated in a work event recently and he came to support me. He was very excited for me and proud of me because my part in it was a huge success and that was down to me and was something I'm passionate about. But it wasn't passion or desire he felt. It was pride.

I feel I tick enough of the generic 'soft boxes' that will apply to most people - I'm clean, well presented, sober, employed, a decent person, faithful, honest, etc enough to make a good, solid life partner but I don't tick any of his personal boxes. And the only one of those I probably did tick was related to the creative hobby that I did which I no longer do.

My ex boyfriend took me to the ballet once to see Swan Lake. We sat down and he held my hand. As the ballet progressed, he was clearly captivated by Odette. He let go of my hand, leant forward in his seat and gushed afterwards about how tiny and beautiful and graceful she was. I had faded so far into the background for him that I was irrelevant and a source of disgust. That was clear in the way he interacted with me for the rest of the evening - he was openly hostile and dismissive. The ballet was no longer something we had gone to together but where he had 'fallen in love' with the sort of woman he believed he should be with - tiny, beautiful and graceful. I was just a painful and disappointing reminder of the 'realistically dateable' women he, and most men could achieve, and he despised me for it.

I've said a few times now that I've stopped going out and walk away if I feel I'm 'in the way'. I think that explains why I feel like this and i hadnt quite put two and two together before. I don't want to see the same disappointment and disgust in him. I don't want to feel despised for being 'realistically dateable' and not 'attractive, desirable and sexy'

Maybe this is the conversation I need to have with him and take it from there.

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Eagle2025 · 11/05/2025 09:31

I think you need to be more honest with him about how you feel and I also think you could do with talking to some sort of therapist. You seem to be over analysing everything which would make it hard for any man to keep you happy.

ComingFromTheSamePlace · 11/05/2025 09:39

And thank you for the make up and stylist suggestions.

I had been looking at mineral baked make up recently and wondered if I should give it a go. So maybe I will.

Realistically, I look like a healthy 50 year old woman and I'm happy with that. I don't look 'old' and I don't expect to look like I'm 35.

As far as stylists go, I'm happy with the way I dress. I don't like wearing jeans and I don't really want someone I don't know to dress me like a generic 'woman in her 50s'. The way I dress suits my figure, my interests, my lifestyle and my personality.

I don't think a stylist would be able to find 'me' better than I can and I don't want to feel like I'm dressed like someone I'm not.

But the make up might be worth looking into.

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ComingFromTheSamePlace · 11/05/2025 10:00

Eagle2025 · 11/05/2025 09:31

I think you need to be more honest with him about how you feel and I also think you could do with talking to some sort of therapist. You seem to be over analysing everything which would make it hard for any man to keep you happy.

I haven't found therapy to be particularly helpful in the past in this respect and I've seen a few different ones over the years.

One told me that if I wore more make up more men would find me attractive and then I'd feel better about myself.

That's not really very helpful.

Others have suggested I do other things I enjoy and am good at, to push my own boundaries and step out of my comfort zone to raise my self esteem. That's one of the reasons I took up the creative hobby again - it was something I used to do when I was younger and loved. But being repeatedly told I wasn't attractive or sexy enough while doing it kind of defeated the point of it really and just reinforced the feelings I had that were the reason I went to therapy in the first place. So I stopped.

Others have promoted self care activities, which I do and I have found an internal peace in that respect but all the positive self talk in the world will only take you so far if the people around you reinforce the negative. And, yes, I could change the people around me and I have - many, many times - but I still find myself in the same position.

I don't really want to go through life putting myself out there if I have to keep working on repairing and reinforcing my 'shield of steel' because of criticism.

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Eagle2025 · 11/05/2025 10:05

You did a hobby and people repeatedly told you you arent sexy enough to do it? Who are these people telling you this?

Maybe you just need to be on your own. Maybe relationships arent for you. Just have friends and be happy with that. If you want a romantic relationship with someone I think you need to spend more time seeing what's out there rather than jumping full on in with someone. Make sure they are on the same page as you and make you happy before taking it to relationship level.

category12 · 11/05/2025 10:14

You've posted about this before, haven't you?

I remember about you allegedly not being sexy enough for a hobby.

It's a shame it's rumbling on.

What types of therapy have you tried? Maybe there's something different eg CBT that would be more effective?

goody2shooz · 11/05/2025 10:29

What on earth is this hobby that you (or at least the women) have to be ‘sexy’ to be able to do??!!

ComingFromTheSamePlace · 11/05/2025 10:54

I used to play bass guitar in a couple of bands.

It's generally a male dominated field and women who do it are generally considered to be 'sexy' just by virtue of the fact they do it.

Something to do with the fact its quite masculine, the size of the instrument, the technical knowledge, the power/energy, not many women do it, its 'cool'. I don't really know but I've heard it many times over the years. Since I first started playing as a teenager more than three decades ago - "female bass players are really sexy" is something I've heard many times. I blame Suzi Quattro 😄

It's not that you have to be sexy to do it but women just are sexy for just doing it without even trying.

Except for me, apparently.

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