Has anyone ever used MDMA to fix a marriage?

[theaccidentalcandidate]

Background
Ex ravers, married 20 years together 30 years, adult kids at University. Not taken drugs for 25 years, hardly drink. One partner still in love, the other not. Get on fine, don't argue, etc, no other people involved.

Probably those of us who are pointing out the moral, ethical and safety concerns.

Well yes, if you think alcohol and MDMA and ecstasy pose a similar risk then you would give your kids pills presumably?

I actually worry far more about my teens drinking alcohol than I do about them potentially taking a pill or a dab of MDMA. The number of teens I know who have been rushed to hospital to have their stomach pumped after drinking a bottle of vodka at a party is terrifying. People in the UK, especially young people, really do underestimate the dangers of alcohol. And that is just because alcohol is legal and socially acceptable.

I'd worry about your teens too, with you advising them.

I'm intrigued by that too. It has been a good 20+ years since I touched any but I always felt fine the next day, if anything my mood would be lifted for a few days. Sore jaw mind you 😂

I am intrigued. I hope you post an update if you decide to go ahead op and that it fixes things.

Don’t be ridiculous!
It would be short term! If someone isn’t in love you can’t force them to be! I can’t believe this is even a question!!

A lot of that is due to parenting - adults play down the dangers of alcohol because many UK adults are in denial about the amount they are drinking and thus modelling as “normal.” Alcohol when misused is exceptionally dangerous. As drugs can also be. I wouldn’t want my teen drinking to excess but I certainly wouldn’t want them to be part of a pill trade where someone else’s vulnerable teen is running county lines and destroying their young life. Our actions are about more than just us.

Alcohol misused or taken to excess can be dangerous.

One mdma pill can kill you. One.

Which of these things is not like the other?

If you need to turn to recreational drugs to 'save' your marriage, it's already in the toilet

I’ve always marvelled at this, never seen pictures of middle aged men and women that died running marathons paraded around d schools attempting to persuade young people to never run. I mean everyone knows that long term drug use or abuse has terrible health consequences but the occasional pill, line or joint in your 20’s? Hardly life altering without a dose of v bad luck. OP this sounds like it could be helpful to your relationship, even as a way to end things amicably and without drama. However the come down would destroy me mentally and the issue of where the drugs come from would make it a no for me.

I would say Mumsnet isnt the best place to ask this, you'll likely get a lot of confused and/or horrified/judgemental replies. I'd recommend Reddit for more useful advice on this subject

How? I’m aware that pills can be filled with other more harmful substances but pure MDMA? How would that kill you?

I think personally mushrooms would be safer. I can't imagine what might be in pills these days. I have also always thought the true value in marijuana lay in it's ability to be an emotional anaesthetic. It can be a beautiful way to calm the ego when used infrequently, and as an edible rather than smoked. I do think though, if you can't get into a good place straight, then that is what it is. No more drugs for me in this life.

How are you guaranteeing your pill is pure MDMA and isn’t laced with all the other shit they put in pills?

A freind of mines marriage was stalling badly, they took mdma and had an evening of very open talking/listening/sex, the kind you can't do when your normal defences are up, that turned things round. I think it's been 5 or so years since then and all seems well

Explain how you know you're getting pure mdma. Even if it is, how do you know it's not twice or four times the amount you think it is?
What about serotonin syndrome? What about an undiagnosed heart condition?

You can buy testing kits on the internet for a few quid. Tests the purity of any drug and tells you what else is in it.
Pure mdma is a great drug, haven't done it for 20 years though.

I wouldn't give my son drugs of course not - but if he wanted to try something that I have tried or know about then I'll give him the real facts and explain how to be as safe as possible.

Lol. You think your 3 quid test is super reliable?

But you tint appear to know the real facts, so how you will teach him to be safe?

Agree the Reddit MDMA sub which be so much more helpful, this place is incredibly backwards when it comes to drugs.

Ive worked in psychedelic therapy and can confirm that there is strong evidence that ketamine/psilocybin/MDMA really do help people. I’ve seen it first hand many times.
also the comedown isn’t a thing unless you drink alcohol/get dehydrated/stay up all night etc.
no one gets comedowns in clinical settings.

as for where to get it from - the days of waiting for a guy on a street corner are long gone. It’s all ordered online and comes in the mail now. No need for dealers or anything having been shoved up anyones arsehole, straight from importer to customer.

If you have Tor then the dark web is best, but there are plenty of people selling directly on Instagram/telegram/whatsapp.

finally, most more mature dabblers use ‘landing gear’ for sleeping. Half a diazepam, amitriptyline or similar.

good luck and yes update us!

I’m now trying to picture the young team in my local pub whipping out their drug testing kit in the toilets to check their lines of coke are safe! 😂 I suppose some must if there is enough profit in it for the companies to sell them!

I think it’s interesting that many of the people saying to go ahead to the OP are people with long ago experiences. I think drugs were in a way “safer” even 20-30 years ago, so much as they can be. All the local deaths I can remember in recent memory come from “bad batches” or coke or mdma or ecstasy being cut with lethal doses of other substances.

I also think it’s interesting that none of those who have taken drugs/do take drugs are entering into much of a discussion about the damage done to other people along the chain. I’m assuming those who would be happy for their kids to try drugs wouldn’t be happy to have a county lines runner in the family?

Where does the mail come from? Where is it manufactured? How do those in a clinical setting ensure they aren’t party to exploitation of women,
children, etc?

No, but it's an option and better than not using a testing kit. For the record I haven't taken mdma for 2 decades and I don't even drink anymore. But, I also don't think that there is much difference in potential harm caused by mdma compared to alcohol or smoking or even energy drinks. I am one of those ex ravers who now worries about the additives in fizzy drinks and won't eat margarine or go in the tube becuase of asbestos in the tunnels. I think the risk from mdma is minimal compared to a lot of these things that are perfectly legal and peddled by big corps.

So much research going on in this field and as pp’s have said has been for many years.

There’s a good book called How to Change Your Mind: The New Science of Psychedelics and a series on Netflix also called How to Change Your Mind.

Clerkenwell Health are conducting trials as are some universities around the UK. It’s worth having a search online for therapists and research programmes.

A lot of people will be quick to judge but some of the research has proven that MDMD and psilocybin can have huge benefits on mental health PTSD and relationships.