Has anyone ever used MDMA to fix a marriage?

[theaccidentalcandidate]

Background
Ex ravers, married 20 years together 30 years, adult kids at University. Not taken drugs for 25 years, hardly drink. One partner still in love, the other not. Get on fine, don't argue, etc, no other people involved.

MDMA imo can be a bit of an emotional truth serum - it won't create in-love feelings. This has the potential to be extremely painful to the in-love party. Doubtless at the time they'll be full of understanding and empathy for the the feelings of the other spouse, then when it wears off it will just be painful.

Also think about how many young couples in the scene who took it together, and still wound up breaking up.

I've done mdma once I don't take drugs or even drink these days but I think it was the greatest night of my life 😂 However the come down I couldn't cope with and never done it or other drugs since. I could believe it could help. Worth a try?

This is not true. Paracetamol isn't going to be adulterated with fuck knows what. When you buy mdma from a dealer, it can have anything at all in it.

Between 40 and 80 people die every year from mdma in the UK. It's not a lot of people, really. But try telling their family members there's no risk and it's stupid and hysterical to warn about the dangers.

Interesting as this is what my best friend who I did it with thinks. Me being the one with mental health issues and for her whose always happy anyway, it did nothing 😂

I had the best nights of my life too. It was an eye opener to see why drug addicts get addicted to the high, but from the perspective of a safer drug that isn’t usually addictive. The high is amazing.

A quick skim of scientific papers via Google Scholar doesn’t give me confidence that mdma is no more harmful than alcohol or paracetamol… using it to lower inhibitions leads to difficult questions about consent, even if both parties agree to give it a go.

I mean it is a love drug, makes you feel very lovey when you’re on it. The caveat being that feeling only lasts as long as you’re high. The come down is grim. i last used MDMA when I was a teen in my early clubbing years well over 10 years ago.

I can’t see how using drugs will help a relationship. It will make you feel good in the moment but it will make you feel horrible when you’re coming out of it. And then you’re risking becoming addicted to chasing the high. I can’t see how that’s a recipe for a positive outcome.

Do you drink alcohol by any chance?

Because believe me- alcohol is far more destructive than ecstasy.

I’m not laughing at her death, seriously 🤦🏼‍♀️I’m laughing at the fact that people still mention her after all these years as proof of the dangers of ecstasy. If you can’t see that then I’m afraid that says more about you and your pearl clutching than it does about what is being discussed on this thread 🙄

I think there’s some stock in this. I’m naturally an anxious person and have had bouts of depression throughout my late teens and adult life thus far. It honestly took away my anxiety when I took it, it was like magic to go out and not worry about what other people think or what might happen. The flip side for me is the anxiety came back with an absolute vengeance when coming down again.

That's an interesting article. I wouldn't have a clue now about these issues as it's many years since I partook.

I don't believe a single word from the mouth of the Government regards why drugs are bad. I'd prefer to see ways people can safely test MDMA and a trial legalising this.

The hypocrisy of Governments when alcohol is allowed to proliferate in the destruction of lives daily is too much.

Her parents released her photograph because they specifically wanted people to discuss her in conversation about the dangers of drugs.

As long as you are having good sex while high though, none of the harm done in the manufacturing, supply and usage of drugs is important ☺️.

We have the odd big night out or festival and take a couple of pills a few times a year. As do most people we know. It’s nice, no hang over and it’s lovely to feel that warm fuzzy connection with your nearest and dearest. And I agree with a PP, the effect lasts longer than the high.

I personally don’t have any major come down. I feel better the next day than I would do if I had drunk a bottle of wine. And I’m also careful to make sure I take any pills early in the evening so I get a good nights sleep. I always wake up feeling refreshed as I will have had plenty of water and no alcohol.

I’m not sure whether it could save a marriage but I guess it’s worth a try? What’s the worst that could happen?

@Camberwellcarrot78 that's a pretty shitty move to be "laughing" about Leah Betts.

For many people, her death might be the only reference point they have for Ectasy use, and it's hardly funny.

I was a raver too and although people using Ectasy was overwhelmingly positive, we did have some in our group who experienced horrible anxiety and panic attacks when they tried it.

And people do die from it. That might partly be exacerbated by ignorance or lack of knowledge, but the risk remains. Especially since the lack of regulation means there could be any old shit in the pills.

For other PP who are likening it to paracetamol, that's incredibly disingenuous. The margin of safety is far smaller for MDMA, and setting aside the fact that the dose in a pill can vary wildly, there's a greater risk of serious side effects if the person has any undiagnosed issues with their heart or nervous system.

As an older, wiser person than I was in my 20s, and with greater knowledge about drug chains, I wouldn't touch it now. If others feel differently, that's their call and none of my business, but I don't think it's fair to poke fun at others who are more cautious, and it's certainly irresponsible to insist there are virtually no risks.

What pearl clutching?

Leah betts died thirty years ago. Thousands of people have died from mdma since then. Please explain where the funny part is? Or how talking about the dangers in unreasonable.

For all of those saying it's not an issue....would you give them to your kids (over 18s)? Would you say, they only kill handfuls of people each year, have fun?

No, I get very unpleasant lows afterwards, even on fairly pure crystal. The polar opposite of what would help. DMT on the other hand, there's no downside I've come across and it has been used (in much higher doses than you'd typically use recreationally) to treat conventional drug/therapy resistant mental health conditions.

I don't know that it would necessarily help a marriage, but it does change you.

For a night or some nights. Do you really think drugs can permanently fix someone who has fallen out of love with another person? I don't believe that.

What like you might give your over 18 year old child alcohol? (Or at least be ok with them drinking it?)

and please I’m NOT LAUGHING AT HER DEATH! my earlier comment was deleted but I was laughing at the fact of that case which happened as you rightly say 30 years ago, still being mentioned anytime ecstasy is talked about.

I think there's the potential for certain drugs that are currently illegal to be used for positive effect.

But they need to be removed from the criminal supply chain, and the content regulated so it's safer for users.

The problem is that no government wants to talk about legalising drugs or introducing trials because the vast majority of the public would be horrified.

I think give it a try, just don’t put an expectation on it to ‘fix’ everything, but very open and honest conversations will hopefully help you find a path forward, whichever way it goes.

https://www.talktofrank.com/drug/ecstasy#the-risks

watching with interest. This website is pretty good for factual stuff.

Yes the high was one night but the bond of my friendships has lasted decades, because of the experiences shared one time.

As an ex raver. You have nothing to lose. It’s not going to damage your mental health. Best case scenario, you find each other again, worst case scenario you have a lovely old regroup before leaving. I’d do it. X

Are you buying it from an ethical dealer? Are they definitely not involved in county lines? Not abusing vulnerable children, adults with learning difficulties and mental health problems in their distribution and production? Are you certain that in the production it hasn’t contributed to the sex trade and modern slave trade? Not been connected to other illegal trade?

But I’m sure all the people stating that it is a love drug only get their drugs from fair trade, organic dealers.

@theaccidentalcandidate crack on with fixing your marriage.

I'm pretty confident that giving my son one pint won't kill him. One pill can though. I've seen it ... Have you?