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I don't know how to move forward

121 replies

Girlmum2024 · 01/04/2025 14:05

Our marriage has never been easy but by and large we have made it work. We have kids and a big mortgage, both work full time and I've always believed in making it work and staying together not least for the sake of the children.

He's always said I am not loving and affectionate enough. Specifically, he says he wants more compliments, gifts, flirty texts. He wants a lot of sex, though, he says its the quality, not the quantity. The sex is good and I would say averages out at at 1-2 times a week over the course of a month, though usually concentrated in a two week period when I am not on my period.

So why the issues. The things he wants and needs from me, I give to the best of my ability. But I need connection, time together, affection even outside of sex. I have been through a lot (cancer when our youngest was 2, kids with additional needs, I am ND and have a lot of trauma from my childhood) and need him to acknowledge that and show empathy, He likes to be alone. He cannot show empathy - much by his own admission. He is a "duty", not "love" person.

Post sex he is amazing and warm and affectionate, almost like it is a drug for him. But within a couple of days that starts to dissipate and he withdraws. I know and feel that he wants more from me but it is so hard to do when he is uptight, distant, moody. So I wait for the next opportunity to go to bed and then he is fine again. I find it draining. And I resent it. I am never rude or angry or aggressive towards him. I just get on with the hum drum of our full life.

He wrote me a 8 page note a few months ago, explaining his need for sex, love, attention, compliments. His words "I am an Fu**ing rock star to everyone else, but not to you". We talked about it at length a couple of times and I said I would try to do better and also explained what I needed. Any time he is down and starts to do his withdrawing of affection thing it will culminate in him mentioning the "note". How it has not been addressed. We've been on long walks to discuss further times and we go round in circles.

Sometimes the moods have escalated to him sleeping in the spare room and refusing to engage with me. Will talk if I speak to him but otherwise will have nothing to do with me. Once this went on for two months. Another time he was abroad for business for a week. We'd had a small row before he went (nothing major, in fact I can't even remember what it was about). I was 8 months pregnant with no.4 about to pop, still working full time and had the younger kids to looks after. He wasn't in touch the entire trip. Not one call or text or message. Nothing.

This weekend was a normal one. We watched movies together, barbqued with the kids etc. Then out of the blue he mentions the note. I could see he was seething. He said I never dealt with it and I am stone walling him. He said he's researched it and it is a form of abuse. I was on my way out so shortly after I messaged him to say I am sorry he thought that, it was not the case and we should talk. A few hours later he responds with message after message (about 20 in total) saying I am a narcissist, manipulative and I refuse to give him what he wants. He sent me definitions of stone walling and emotional abuse and said that whether I admit it or not that is exactly me. I was reeling and in shock. I have not eaten or slept. I feel sick. I don't have the strength to do this. I can't even look at him at the moment. There was no build up (just his usual being distant and moody) and no obvious trigger, we'd been chatting like regular things and then bam!

In my heart I know this is not right and maybe we need to both move on. But I am terrified. I don't know how to fix it. I think I am scared because actually I don't know if I want to anymore. I feel done. Spent. I have zero interest ever in hurting him or controlling him. I just can't give what he wants (and seemingly vice versa) does that make me abusive? He is right, the issues haven't been addressed but they are not ignored. It's just a two way thing - I can't give him what he wants when I don't feel that way about him when he behaves the way he does. We go round in circles!!

Please help me work through this.

OP posts:
Pleasehelpme90 · 01/04/2025 14:08

I got to the paragraph about the 8 page note and didn’t need to go further. He’s an abusive POS and you need to get away as soon as you can. I’m not usually one to shout LTB at the first chance but he sounds insufferable OP.

mummymeister · 01/04/2025 14:10

at this point your marriage is over. both of you need to recognise and accept this and to put plans in place to deal with the aftermath. Your husband comes across as a nasty manipulator constantly harping back to a letter he wrote. and who even does that? he wants to keep you on edge and on tenterhooks and no one can live like this. time to move on.

netflixfan · 01/04/2025 14:10

I’m so sorry for your predicament. Couples counselling? I’m only suggesting this because you appear to love him and don’t want to leave, but I would find his ways unbearable, and such a bad example to your children. If you can, get support and make plans for a new life without him.

PeggyMitchellsCameo · 01/04/2025 14:14

You have been through a lot, including cancer, you work hard, you are a busy mum and your husband is basically demanding more sex, attention, flirty texts and you to worship at the feet of this rock star, and when he’s had what he’s wanted, he gets to bog off in his own, only to reappear write you abusive letters and messages.
He is abusing you.
If you were just struggling with every day stuff, there can be disconnect. Also as women we tend to be hard wired for connection.
A great phrase - what you want in a connection, bring it. So why isn’t he showering you with flirty texts and loving gifts?
He is accusing you of the things he is guilty of, and trying to pin labels on you which suit him much more.
You must choose your own path, but over time it’s going to wear you down to nothing.

pimplebum · 01/04/2025 14:15

this is surely as character in eastenders not a real man ??

what nasty manipulative creepy abusive shit bag

leave him asap

PeggyMitchellsCameo · 01/04/2025 14:16

netflixfan · 01/04/2025 14:10

I’m so sorry for your predicament. Couples counselling? I’m only suggesting this because you appear to love him and don’t want to leave, but I would find his ways unbearable, and such a bad example to your children. If you can, get support and make plans for a new life without him.

Individual would be better. A man like this in couples therapy is a nightmare because he’d spent the whole time trying to get the therapist to reflect on what a rock star he is!

researchers3 · 01/04/2025 14:20

He is the abusive one and he is gaslighting and trying to wear you down so you don't even know what's wrong and right.

Wtf does he think he is?

Let him go. With 4 young children you'll get plenty of help if you need it financially and he will have to give you maintenance too.

If I worked full time and had 4 kids I think I'd have a nervous breakdown! You sound amazing and that's without having to cater to this man child's sexual demands.

Never go to couples counselling with an abuser. Been there, done that.

Take care OP.

Girlmum2024 · 01/04/2025 14:34

I just want to add that everything I have said is correct but also:

He is dutiful - he pays for and takes us all on wonderful holidays twice a year. He is generous with money and will always give me money to cover any extra on bills etc. Never questions just immediately does it.

He tells me how much he fancies me in bed.

I have never had reason to feel he is unfaithful and never looks at other girls.

There is no love lost between the kids and him - they find him moody and difficult and he never spends quality time with them. BUT he is generous with them, picks up their favourite treats, orders them take out as a treat, clothes, money no object for him. Pays for all their tutors etc. Never an issue.

He is very generous with money, give a lot to charitable causes and will help anyone that asks.

Recently surprised me with some new clothes which he chose and which are amazing.

But then everything else....

OP posts:
Omgblueskys · 01/04/2025 14:49

Op have you wrote him a letter with your needs and wants,
What pressure you must feel under from him, you do know it will never be enough he will just keep adding to his letter, he is telling you ' it's not enough it's not good enough you try harder ' we're does it stop op, please see this as abuse mentally and emotionally,

Set you bar high see how he likes it,
Your the superstar here 4 kids working full time, how dare he thinks this is OK to treat you like this, get tough get angry,

Look up gray rock and ' let them theory '

Girlmum2024 · 01/04/2025 15:05

Omgblueskys · 01/04/2025 14:49

Op have you wrote him a letter with your needs and wants,
What pressure you must feel under from him, you do know it will never be enough he will just keep adding to his letter, he is telling you ' it's not enough it's not good enough you try harder ' we're does it stop op, please see this as abuse mentally and emotionally,

Set you bar high see how he likes it,
Your the superstar here 4 kids working full time, how dare he thinks this is OK to treat you like this, get tough get angry,

Look up gray rock and ' let them theory '

Re gray rock, I looked it up. The reaction he wants is for me to pay him the attention he wants. So when I don't give it, he accuses me of refusing to make things right, and now stone walling him. Hence the renewed anger. I swear I am not doing anything on purpose. I know he wants the texts, the flirty messages, the adoration. I don't feel like that and I can't put it on. I just can't. Right now I want nothing more than to run away, not give him what he wants. Before sex, I psyche myself up for it, knowing it will be worth it after, because he miraculously transforms into someone so unbelievably loving. And then when he withdraws I do feel like I am to blame, because I haven't been enough.

I am desperate for it to be different. But as I type this out I do hear myself. It's not right but I can't help but question myself and kick myself for letting it go wrong every time. I am just not who he wants me to be and sometimes I hate myself for it.

OP posts:
Girlmum2024 · 01/04/2025 15:07

We are going away for Easter and I am now dreading it. All the joy and energy has been sucked out of me after that barrage of messages yesterday.

OP posts:
Omgblueskys · 01/04/2025 15:22

Girlmum2024 · 01/04/2025 15:05

Re gray rock, I looked it up. The reaction he wants is for me to pay him the attention he wants. So when I don't give it, he accuses me of refusing to make things right, and now stone walling him. Hence the renewed anger. I swear I am not doing anything on purpose. I know he wants the texts, the flirty messages, the adoration. I don't feel like that and I can't put it on. I just can't. Right now I want nothing more than to run away, not give him what he wants. Before sex, I psyche myself up for it, knowing it will be worth it after, because he miraculously transforms into someone so unbelievably loving. And then when he withdraws I do feel like I am to blame, because I haven't been enough.

I am desperate for it to be different. But as I type this out I do hear myself. It's not right but I can't help but question myself and kick myself for letting it go wrong every time. I am just not who he wants me to be and sometimes I hate myself for it.

Aww op this is it, your never going to be good enough remember he is the rockstar ( not)
Change your mindset, it's not you it's him with the problem, he is doing the stone walling as he put it, honestly right your own letter, with your needs, and wants, do not apologise as your not mary fucking popping, your tired, you have needs too,

mummymeister · 01/04/2025 15:25

Girlmum2024 · 01/04/2025 15:07

We are going away for Easter and I am now dreading it. All the joy and energy has been sucked out of me after that barrage of messages yesterday.

of course it has and that is EXACTLY what he wants. you on the backfoot, you beholden to him the great lover, leader, provider. he plays these nasty games because he can. you have to put a big full stop to them now. write your own list of things that you want out of the relationship but dont get and lets see his reaction. you are constantly on eggshells around him and this is no life for anyone. you do realise that this is it, the only life you get? he has battered and beaten you into submission to the point where you think people behaving like this is normal or ok and really, it is not.

Sassybooklover · 01/04/2025 15:27

Your partner sounds like an utter nightmare. He wants a partner who is going to hang onto his every word, shower him with constant attention, give him sex whenever he wants and generally treated like the God, he truly believes he is. He's moody and difficult with the children, because they take your attention away from him. Of course he provides well, is generous, he wouldn't want anyone to think he's anything less than the perfect, devoted partner. He's abusive and you need to end the relationship.

Yulelogish · 01/04/2025 15:29

That barrage of texts is meant to make you feel awful, so you give in to his demands and his needs and push your own away. Whatever you do, IT WILL NEVER BE ENOUGH. There will always be something else. Read It's not you by Dr Ramani and watch her YouTube videos, and also read Why does he do that, by Lundy Bancroft (free pdf). Then see a solicitor and get yourself and your children away from him. Wishing you strength to save yourself.

Omgblueskys · 01/04/2025 15:30

Girlmum2024 · 01/04/2025 15:07

We are going away for Easter and I am now dreading it. All the joy and energy has been sucked out of me after that barrage of messages yesterday.

Has he apologise for all the name calling yesterday in txt msg

NeedsMustNet · 01/04/2025 15:57

So he thinks he’s a rock star.

What does that make you?

The lead singer? The bassist? The backing singer? The groupie?

I’d say a mum to young children who gets on with cancer and then breaks every other rock thrown in her way is my rock star equivalent. Not the guy who sends his wife a list of one-sided demands and who only provides human qualities for 48 hours following sex.

And to think he calls you a narcissist and says you are stonewalling him.

Girlmum2024 · 01/04/2025 16:01

Omgblueskys · 01/04/2025 15:30

Has he apologise for all the name calling yesterday in txt msg

No. We haven't spoken at all apart from this morning I told him that we should still find some time to speak today as per my message once we'd finished work (both WFH today) and he muttered "that would be nice".

But honestly don't have an ounce of energy for it now. This will be used against me but so be it. How could be send me such nasty messages? What is there really to talk about if that's what he really thinks.

OP posts:
PeggyMitchellsCameo · 01/04/2025 16:06

It doesn’t matter what he spends in your children, his behaviour is damaging them if he is moody and they actively avoid him.
He doesn’t sound like a rock star.
He sounds unhinged.

Dery · 01/04/2025 16:59

“PeggyMitchellsCameo · Today 16:06

It doesn’t matter what he spends in your children, his behaviour is damaging them if he is moody and they actively avoid him.
He doesn’t sound like a rock star.
He sounds unhinged.

This. Also, how does a parent of 4 children even have time to write an 8-page letter about his needs and send a barrage of texts!? And why is there no love between him and his own children? That’s awful. He sounds insufferable.

WakingUpToReality · 01/04/2025 17:17

OP, your message is really worrying. You sound vulnerable and unsafe in this relationship. He is messing with your head and your ability to know reality. I'm sitting here feeling angry on your behalf.

He sounds like the narcissist 100%. The long list of what he is expecting from you! And are you allowed to have a long list too? Where's YOUR 8 page note?

He sounds sexually coercive. Do you have sex that you don't really desire in order to make him happy or to make him be nice to you afterwards for a couple of days?

He gives you the silent treatment when he doesn't get exactly what he wants? That's emotional abuse.

He sends you 20 irate messages in one go? He really does sound unhinged. Sorry OP this is really NOT normal behaviour by any stretch.

He wants to treat you in any way he so chooses, and for you to STILL give him love, attention, sex. It doesn't work like that. Relationships don't work like that. He sounds toxic.

Don't stay for the sake of the children. They'll be learning very unhealthy relationship dynamics from you both that will affect them in the future.

Omgblueskys · 01/04/2025 17:18

Girlmum2024 · 01/04/2025 16:01

No. We haven't spoken at all apart from this morning I told him that we should still find some time to speak today as per my message once we'd finished work (both WFH today) and he muttered "that would be nice".

But honestly don't have an ounce of energy for it now. This will be used against me but so be it. How could be send me such nasty messages? What is there really to talk about if that's what he really thinks.

OK so when the time comes to speak, because he will be expecting you to do this ' am sorry, what can I do to make it better, just want us to be happy ' he won't take back or explain all the nasy name calling, so you have to do this, don't ask him to explain txt mgs, don't apologise for anything, say, you are done, this isn't working I can not live up to your expectations so we are done, am tired and emotional drained of your expectations, cancel easter break and walk away just walk away from him, you take back some control here, because believe me he not expecting this from you, remember no apologises, if that's what's he thinks of you ( sed txt messages ) why try a change it, let him, don't give him chance to reply just walk away,
Let the fucker ' rockstar ' chew on it , go have a bath, glass of wine,
Good luck op but you don't need it, really turn it around

outerspacepotato · 01/04/2025 18:03

You're abusive because you only have sex with him a couple times a week and you don't send him flirty texts or pretend that he's the center of the fucking universe?

What a fuckwit. Get him a fleshlight because that's what he wants, sex on demand. He doesn't care about his partner, he demands quality (which he determines) sex on tap.

This guy only cares about himself. He's nailed emotionally abusive sex pest.

Your marriage is likely going to end. No one can keep up with the needs of someone showing this kind of behaviour and it sounds like he's getting even more demanding with 8 page notes then sending 20 abusive texts and silent treatment of a heavily pregnant woman. You need to read Why Does He Do That by Lundy Bancroft, there is a free PDF online.

Do not do joint counseling with an abuser. They just learn how to abuse you better.

Chezxx · 01/04/2025 18:52

Please contact Women's aid for advice and support.

He sounds controlling, manipulative and a bit unhinged.

You need support.

I think you need legal advice.
In preparation can you gather as much financial paperwork together, as you can.

Plantmother71 · 01/04/2025 23:05

Girlmum2024 · 01/04/2025 16:01

No. We haven't spoken at all apart from this morning I told him that we should still find some time to speak today as per my message once we'd finished work (both WFH today) and he muttered "that would be nice".

But honestly don't have an ounce of energy for it now. This will be used against me but so be it. How could be send me such nasty messages? What is there really to talk about if that's what he really thinks.

Don’t delete the messages, or destroy the letter. Keep them saved somewhere.

He’s an arrogant little turd. He is an abusive bully. In fact there are narcissistic traits in how he has behaved towards you.

This isn’t healthy and it will break you. It sounds like it has already affected the kids and this is not a good example for them.

Please, get those ducks in a row. I think I’ve only ever said LtB once on here in the last few years, but this is definitely a time to advocate for you to leave.

You’re worth a loving and kind man who will not have to ‘buy’ everyone’s love.