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I don't know how to move forward

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Girlmum2024 · 01/04/2025 14:05

Our marriage has never been easy but by and large we have made it work. We have kids and a big mortgage, both work full time and I've always believed in making it work and staying together not least for the sake of the children.

He's always said I am not loving and affectionate enough. Specifically, he says he wants more compliments, gifts, flirty texts. He wants a lot of sex, though, he says its the quality, not the quantity. The sex is good and I would say averages out at at 1-2 times a week over the course of a month, though usually concentrated in a two week period when I am not on my period.

So why the issues. The things he wants and needs from me, I give to the best of my ability. But I need connection, time together, affection even outside of sex. I have been through a lot (cancer when our youngest was 2, kids with additional needs, I am ND and have a lot of trauma from my childhood) and need him to acknowledge that and show empathy, He likes to be alone. He cannot show empathy - much by his own admission. He is a "duty", not "love" person.

Post sex he is amazing and warm and affectionate, almost like it is a drug for him. But within a couple of days that starts to dissipate and he withdraws. I know and feel that he wants more from me but it is so hard to do when he is uptight, distant, moody. So I wait for the next opportunity to go to bed and then he is fine again. I find it draining. And I resent it. I am never rude or angry or aggressive towards him. I just get on with the hum drum of our full life.

He wrote me a 8 page note a few months ago, explaining his need for sex, love, attention, compliments. His words "I am an Fu**ing rock star to everyone else, but not to you". We talked about it at length a couple of times and I said I would try to do better and also explained what I needed. Any time he is down and starts to do his withdrawing of affection thing it will culminate in him mentioning the "note". How it has not been addressed. We've been on long walks to discuss further times and we go round in circles.

Sometimes the moods have escalated to him sleeping in the spare room and refusing to engage with me. Will talk if I speak to him but otherwise will have nothing to do with me. Once this went on for two months. Another time he was abroad for business for a week. We'd had a small row before he went (nothing major, in fact I can't even remember what it was about). I was 8 months pregnant with no.4 about to pop, still working full time and had the younger kids to looks after. He wasn't in touch the entire trip. Not one call or text or message. Nothing.

This weekend was a normal one. We watched movies together, barbqued with the kids etc. Then out of the blue he mentions the note. I could see he was seething. He said I never dealt with it and I am stone walling him. He said he's researched it and it is a form of abuse. I was on my way out so shortly after I messaged him to say I am sorry he thought that, it was not the case and we should talk. A few hours later he responds with message after message (about 20 in total) saying I am a narcissist, manipulative and I refuse to give him what he wants. He sent me definitions of stone walling and emotional abuse and said that whether I admit it or not that is exactly me. I was reeling and in shock. I have not eaten or slept. I feel sick. I don't have the strength to do this. I can't even look at him at the moment. There was no build up (just his usual being distant and moody) and no obvious trigger, we'd been chatting like regular things and then bam!

In my heart I know this is not right and maybe we need to both move on. But I am terrified. I don't know how to fix it. I think I am scared because actually I don't know if I want to anymore. I feel done. Spent. I have zero interest ever in hurting him or controlling him. I just can't give what he wants (and seemingly vice versa) does that make me abusive? He is right, the issues haven't been addressed but they are not ignored. It's just a two way thing - I can't give him what he wants when I don't feel that way about him when he behaves the way he does. We go round in circles!!

Please help me work through this.

OP posts:
Yougetmoreofwhatyoufocuson · 04/04/2025 14:51

My lightbulb moment came when I was watching a documentary where children who had been abused were being taught to say no. They were going round in a circle and whenever they passed a councillor they had to say no. One of the children was barely older than my toddler and she was saying no. I thought if she can learn to say no then I can too.
When I finally said no to my husband it was swiftly followed by the realisation that I was never going to go to his bed again.
A month later the children and I had left.
It was tough but I’ve never regretted it. What I’ve regretted was choosing so poorly for a life partner.
You too can have a better life.

BuildersBilly · 04/04/2025 15:49

OP don't waste too much energy trying to work out why he behaves like a twat. He does what he does because on some level it works for him and gets him what he wants. What he wants might be just sex or (more likely) total control of you and keeping you unsettled and thinking about how to please him at all times.

Once you've seen it OP you can't unsee it. Now this is out from wherever you've buried it you might find it really tough accepting that all this time you have been married to a twat whose demands were not reasonable.

I think once you are free your life will be SO MUCH BETTER.

PeggyMitchellsCameo · 04/04/2025 16:12

I wouldn’t care who I was disappointing. I would not go on holiday with this abuser.

Gerwurtztraminer · 04/04/2025 16:51

Do you think he knows he is being unfair and unkind? But just can't help himself. Or does he actually believe this is justified and I deserve to be treated like this? I just don't get it.

You will drive yourself insane trying to understand the motivation behind his behaviour. It doesn't matter if it's part of his personality or doing it deliberately. It won't change anything, because it's either innate & ingrained and he can't be trained to not behave that way, or he's choosing to be cruel and enjoys it, he wants to do it Either way he won't stop doing it.

Just accept what you can see and take action. That note is astonishing, I can't believe you even want to discuss it with him, why isn't it the last straw for you.

Also, your kids are clearly better that you at being able to see that buying stuff and paying for things doesn't equal love or respect.

Start imagining life without this ominous dark presence in your life. But be careful planning to leave, that's a dangerous time for women and it doesn't sound like he'll react well.

FreeRider · 04/04/2025 16:52

Have to agree with @PeggyMitchellsCameo - you do know he will be pestering you for sex on holiday, don't you?

I'd be tempted to press the nuclear button and tell him you are never having sex with him ever again.

Gerwurtztraminer · 04/04/2025 16:56

FreeRider · 04/04/2025 16:52

Have to agree with @PeggyMitchellsCameo - you do know he will be pestering you for sex on holiday, don't you?

I'd be tempted to press the nuclear button and tell him you are never having sex with him ever again.

I think we have to be careful about that sort of advice. This man could turn nasty very quickly when he realises he's losing control.

I agree OP should consider calling off the holiday (on the basis they are "not getting on" and it won't be enjoyable) but announcing sex is over could be a real trigger, even to violence.

LivelyMintViper · 04/04/2025 16:57

And once you have truly decided to set yourself free gift him a copy of this thread ! Rock star my ass!

AnonAnonmystery · 04/04/2025 17:04

Gerwurtztraminer · 04/04/2025 16:56

I think we have to be careful about that sort of advice. This man could turn nasty very quickly when he realises he's losing control.

I agree OP should consider calling off the holiday (on the basis they are "not getting on" and it won't be enjoyable) but announcing sex is over could be a real trigger, even to violence.

Yes I was thinking this … he is abusive and so far, the op has been complicit and his limits haven’t been tested. I don’t think now is the time.
@Girlmum2024 after you get back from your break, please contact women’s aid and your gp. Please start making a safe exit plan and consult a solicitor too.

CandidAquaFinch · 04/04/2025 17:12

I’ve been in something very similar, and reading your words gave me a bit of a gut-punch in the best way. It’s so easy to second-guess yourself when you’re constantly being made to feel like you’re the problem. That reminder about keeping the messages and letters is so important, I wish I had done the same. You're right, this kind of environment chips away at a person until there's barely anything left.

Rainbowpug · 04/04/2025 17:25

Having read he full thread I'm confused
You come across op as a really intelligent woman ,you have your head screwed on .
Yet this whole thread is about trying to understand your abuser
So if a snake bit you ,would rush around trying to figure out why it bit you
Or you get the hell away from it and get some assistance .
He's not going to change
Your having sex you don't want to keep him happy
He must know this ,and he doesn't care
Do you have daughters ,what would you tell them if they came to you as an adult and told you their husband was behaving like this .

I absolutely would not be going on a holiday with an abuser
I'd be leaving as soon as possible,and when you do leave him ,the relief you will feel will be immense,.
And your children will feel relieved too ,this must be awful for them to be around

Girlmum2024 · 04/04/2025 18:09

I know this is wrong and abusive and I need to get the hell out of it. I intend to.

I understand seeking advice from a solicitor but why do I need Womens Aid and a GP? I think I would like to speak to someone, but I don't know if I need other support reserved for women who are in danger.

He has never been physically violent remotely. If I left him I'd imagine he'd become unbelievably nasty, clinical and try to make me look bad but I don't feel scared it would be anymore than that.

But it is right to say I have never tested his limits because I always back down and smooth it over.

OP posts:
PeggyMitchellsCameo · 04/04/2025 18:19

OP, I still don’t think you are fully appreciating how far this abuse is stretching. Abuse is not just about being hit.
You are clearly a highly intelligent person but in your thread you are just hoping he might change, if only things were different, why is he doing this?
You are dealing with a highly manipulative man. You need all the help you can get.
Women’s Aid are brilliant and can provide practical
advice. It is worth logging with your GP because of the effect all this has had on your health.
The best advice I have ever read on here stated - this man is no longer your friend.
He’s ignoring you right now because he enjoys hurting you.
But once you move, and you must, removing that power from him means you need as many people to know as possible.

AnonAnonmystery · 04/04/2025 18:19

@Girlmum2024 he is emotionally abusing you which is why I suggested women’s aid, to get you someone to talk to in real life when you have those moments when you think it’s you, when it’s actually him.
I say to talk to your gp so it’s on record, in case things turn nasty. Plus it’s a good source of support for you too. I hope I didn’t alarm you, sorry if I did but I just wanted to let you know what is out there. It’s a suggestion from me and nothing more. When I opened up to my gp, she was firstly a great emotional support ur helped in other ways too. That might be me just being lucky with the help I got. My only point is you don’t know how nasty he could get and I do not encourage you to find out. Sort yourself out at your own pace and feel free to dm me if you need anything x

Girlmum2024 · 04/04/2025 18:23

Honestly, thank you, all of you, for being so kind. I am so grateful, you have no idea.

OP posts:
Hazel665 · 04/04/2025 18:51

He wants something unrealistic and ridiculous. Along with everyone else, I say leave him, and let him try to find it elsewhere. I guarantee he won't.

Just tell him you can't give him what he wants and it's over. If he tries to 'make you look bad' just tell people about him being a 'f**king rockstar'.

Mmhmmn · 04/04/2025 21:12

Girlmum2024 · 03/04/2025 18:13

Its the former - Over-indulged, definitely not neglected. His mother literally worships the ground he walks on - she pretty much says as much. He was totally pampered. I am very close to her and she knows there are problems but I don't discuss details with her.

Ah. makes sense then. He expects his partner to worship the ground he walks on the way his mother did. NO-ONE will ever measure up to the amount and quality of affection he got and gets from her.

I think you do very well indeed to have a good relationship with her given all that.

Mmhmmn · 04/04/2025 21:16

Hazel665 · 04/04/2025 18:51

He wants something unrealistic and ridiculous. Along with everyone else, I say leave him, and let him try to find it elsewhere. I guarantee he won't.

Just tell him you can't give him what he wants and it's over. If he tries to 'make you look bad' just tell people about him being a 'f**king rockstar'.

Also, he can't make you look bad but even if he could, the important thing is to get to a place where you care more for yourself and your happiness and peace of mind than about what other people may think based on what he's told them (and just generally). You're good. You know you are. And no-one's relationships are as straightforward as they may seem from the outside.

Thepossibility · 04/04/2025 22:57

So disturbing. It actually reads that he thinks he's a bloody rockstar and you should be his groupie. Falling over yourself to fawn over him and have sex with him constantly. To the detriment of everything else. Of course he wouldn't do the same for you because HE is the rockstar!
This isn't a partnership this is a sick fantasy, please choose yourself. You are a mother and a worthy human FFS you were not put on this earth solely to please a dickhead man.

Chezxx · 05/04/2025 09:33

You are so used to being abused, this is your normal.

You are in such a seriously abusive relationship that you are the very definition of a woman who needs to log his coercive sexual control of you, his manipulation, bullying of you by silent treatment to get what he wants.

Tell the GP. This is a crime.
He is a criminal.
Coercive sex is rape.

Tell your GP.

Women's aid will help you.
You are entitled to legal aid if you report domestic abuse.

Maitri108 · 05/04/2025 09:42

understand seeking advice from a solicitor but why do I need Womens Aid and a GP? I think I would like to speak to someone, but I don't know if I need other support reserved for women who are in danger.

What is so awful about domestic abuse is the insidious effect it can have. We hear about the women killed but not about the numerous suicides and crippling mental health problems.

He can destroy your mental health OP and that is just as important as physical abuse. A GP will note what's going on and may be able to write letters supporting you.

Abusive behaviour can escalate when you leave so a domestic abuse organisation can help you leave safely and tell you your options. They can also advise on housing, benefits and so parenting.

PineConeOrDogPoo · 05/04/2025 21:46

There is no love lost between the kids and him - they find him moody and difficult and he never spends quality time with them

he is clever. He doesn't tend to raise his voice, he speaks in very low tones, especially when he is angry and rarely swears. Objectively he is acting beyond reproach and so it is hard to call him out on things and so I question myself all the time. Intuitively I know he is being cruel. There have been times when I have literally begged him to hug me because I have been so distressed, sobbing my heart out and he just cannot do it.

He sounds utterly cold and contemptuous of you.

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