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Married to someone with Asperger's/ASD/ND: support thread 15

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BustyLaRoux · 22/03/2025 06:42

New thread.
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This thread is for those of us seeking to explore the dynamics of long term relationships with our ND partners. Some of us are ND ourselves, very many of us have ND children. It is a support thread, and a safe space, it does get emotional at times. Avoid sweeping generalisations if possible, try and keep it specific to you and your partner.
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It's complicated and it's emotional.
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The old thread is here.

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BustyLaRoux · 31/03/2025 20:53

Ohdostopwafflinggeremy · 31/03/2025 11:54

@BustyLaRoux I'm so so thrilled for you and your kids.
I wish you many lovely peaceful, drama free, cups of tea from your fabulous pink kettle.
So many of us on here counting down to our very own Pink kettle moment. 🩷

I love that the pink kettle has become a symbol of freedom! I hope you get to buy one too.

The health updates are so annoying! And no, you don’t sound heartless at all. My dad, whenever we speak, gives me run down of all his MANY ailments. In detail. All minor. I didn’t ask. Makes no difference. He will tell me anyway. I really don’t want to know. It’s extremely annoying. It is, as @ItReallyDoesntMatterAnymore says, the self absorption. The complete lack of any awareness that this is obviously not going to be relevant to anyone else!

Is there anyway of shutting him down? “You’ve been told what’s causing it. I’ve nothing to add. I don’t want regular updates every few hours, thanks”.

I have two children and I think I’m entitled to some UC. I’m going to need it as I can’t afford this house without it. All the money from my divorce settlement is gone. I just have to accept that. I doubt I’ll ever own a home again. I don’t know what the future holds. And that is quite scary. But I’m trying to live more in the moment. I thought finances dictated what I needed to do, but as it turns out there were options. This is great, for now. Do you have children? Might you be entitled to some UC?

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Petra42 · 01/04/2025 05:15

Well done @BustyLaRoux , I have seen your posts before and really happy for you!

My partner is ASD, we haven't got kids together or live together, I have my own children. It works in this respect ie exclusive dating. I love him and he treats me well. Sitting on the outside, i can see why things wouldn't gel full time. He has set routines, a lack of flexibility, very different approach to kids. So life is very separate. Im very empathetic and have dated several ASD men without realising it.

SantasLargerHelper · 01/04/2025 07:27

@Petra42 do you mind if I ask you about your relationship please? I'm dating a man who seems to have autistic traits so I have been reading this thread with interest. He's a lovely caring sweet gentle man, he's honest reliable and we love doing all the same things. When we are together it's so comfortable and he's very cuddly and affectionate. Sex is incredible. But he can't compliment me (it's everyone not just me) and I feel like I'm never going to get any declarations of love etc from him. So I am holding back a little because I'm not sure he's going to be able to fulfil all my emotional needs. Can men like this love? Am I special to him or could I be anyone 🤔 I can't quite work it out.

Petra42 · 01/04/2025 08:33

@SantasLargerHelper it's difficult to compare people but fire away. I dated someone similar to your partner and although he was lovely and kind, I did feel a bit like I needed more and felt a bit robotic. However unlike you, the sex was minimal. Can you explain what more you need?

SantasLargerHelper · 01/04/2025 08:49

@Petra42 I have pmed you if that's OK.

Peppasparty · 01/04/2025 12:35

Do autistic people feel guilt?

ItReallyDoesntMatterAnymore · 01/04/2025 12:45

Peppasparty · 01/04/2025 12:35

Do autistic people feel guilt?

I do to the extreme (I'm probably AuADHD though), but some appear not to. Perhaps it's the overriding need for autonomy or due to rigid thinking that can lead an autistic person to suppress feelings of guilt.

Peppasparty · 01/04/2025 13:14

ItReallyDoesntMatterAnymore · 01/04/2025 12:45

I do to the extreme (I'm probably AuADHD though), but some appear not to. Perhaps it's the overriding need for autonomy or due to rigid thinking that can lead an autistic person to suppress feelings of guilt.

Sometimes I wonder if my mum feels guilt. She behaves in ways I know a person should feel guilt but she isn’t guided by this at all. For example she wouldn’t be affected leaving someone out of something. She wouldn’t change a plan for anyone out of feeling guilty they couldn’t go. Her go to response is always “oh well never mind”, despite the fact they do mind! There is never a concern for anyone, never any bad intent wished on anyone just no concern if that makes sense. As if we all live void of feelings.

ItReallyDoesntMatterAnymore · 01/04/2025 13:41

Peppasparty · 01/04/2025 13:14

Sometimes I wonder if my mum feels guilt. She behaves in ways I know a person should feel guilt but she isn’t guided by this at all. For example she wouldn’t be affected leaving someone out of something. She wouldn’t change a plan for anyone out of feeling guilty they couldn’t go. Her go to response is always “oh well never mind”, despite the fact they do mind! There is never a concern for anyone, never any bad intent wished on anyone just no concern if that makes sense. As if we all live void of feelings.

Could it be a form of pragmatic or logical thinking there? My DM is the same in some ways but does seem to suffer with guilt at times too. Example would be when she invited a few old family friends over for lunch but didn't invite one person because she felt they probably wouldn't say yes anyway as they were ill. I would probably still invite said person so they wouldn't feel left out, or phone them and talk it through to see if they would be ok with not being invited.

Peppasparty · 01/04/2025 13:58

ItReallyDoesntMatterAnymore · 01/04/2025 13:41

Could it be a form of pragmatic or logical thinking there? My DM is the same in some ways but does seem to suffer with guilt at times too. Example would be when she invited a few old family friends over for lunch but didn't invite one person because she felt they probably wouldn't say yes anyway as they were ill. I would probably still invite said person so they wouldn't feel left out, or phone them and talk it through to see if they would be ok with not being invited.

That is how it feels, all her thinking feels logical. She seems to have no idea that she upsets people. She doesn’t seem to emotionally do anything. For example she may visit on a birthday if there is a logical reason for coming, eg she needs to buy something from a shop this way. Otherwise won’t see that she should see you on your birthday as it’s a nice thing for the other person.

April2013 · 01/04/2025 16:56

My husband - maybe soon to be ex husband - doesn’t have a diagnosis but has lots of autistic traits and we both think he is autistic, our young son is on the waiting list for a diagnosis. He doesn’t want to get a diagnosis, he has struggled with depression his whole life and focuses on work and a few other things but not his health unless urgent and can’t see the point in a formal diagnosis.

Following on from the comments above, he seems to feel guilty in the extreme about certain people/situations - people who to me don’t seem deserving of much guilt - but I don’t think he feels guilty, or at least not very deeply at all, about how he treats me.

Peppasparty · 01/04/2025 19:04

I don’t want to make it sound rude but can come Autistic people just think some people are just pointless, those who react emotionally for example? Do you think they can be judgmental of people, almost a little superior?

TooLate82 · 01/04/2025 19:52

Peppasparty · 01/04/2025 19:04

I don’t want to make it sound rude but can come Autistic people just think some people are just pointless, those who react emotionally for example? Do you think they can be judgmental of people, almost a little superior?

Yes. My exh thought everyone was stupid and had contempt for anyone expressing emotions. His reasoning was that they should deal with the problem logically. It was a bit rich really because he was one of the most emotionally reactive people I’ve ever met.

Crunchingleaf · 01/04/2025 22:13

TooLate82 · 01/04/2025 19:52

Yes. My exh thought everyone was stupid and had contempt for anyone expressing emotions. His reasoning was that they should deal with the problem logically. It was a bit rich really because he was one of the most emotionally reactive people I’ve ever met.

This made me laugh because I recognise what your describing.

Many times I was interrogated over decisions I made because to him the decision weren’t logical. It would make him so angry if he thought there was any feelings or emotions involved in the decision making. The irony of being criticised for being too emotional by someone who was shouting at me.

ShockedandStunnedRepeatedly · 01/04/2025 22:18

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Peppasparty · 02/04/2025 07:47

So it kind of feels that they provoke a lot of feelings in others by the way they operate that they don’t themselves feel or can understand. There seems little point explaining that the way they operate does this. As in the past and I’ve read on here that when you explain your feeling it’s often met with hostility and your feelings becomes your fault and your problem to deal with. I’ve tried to explain in the past that I feel completely left out and I’m met with that’s your feeling. I know they aren’t purposely making me feel left out but it’s a consequence of their behaviour but they can’t attribute it to something they have done. They carry on happy as Larry and I’m left with this feeling. They live in this blame free, it’s not something I’ve done it’s just your silly made up over emotional reaction world.

ItReallyDoesntMatterAnymore · 02/04/2025 09:22

@Peppasparty It doesn't feel fair at all, both my parents are probably ND and I'm still trying to figure out how my childhood has affected me. There is a book some of us on here have found helpful called Children Of Emotionally Immature Parents. I'm also enjoying reading The Let Them Theory at the moment.

Peppasparty · 02/04/2025 09:44

ItReallyDoesntMatterAnymore · 02/04/2025 09:22

@Peppasparty It doesn't feel fair at all, both my parents are probably ND and I'm still trying to figure out how my childhood has affected me. There is a book some of us on here have found helpful called Children Of Emotionally Immature Parents. I'm also enjoying reading The Let Them Theory at the moment.

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It causes chaos. Afraid to cause conflict, to express any opinion because it’s not respected or wanted or laughed at. It has left me quite agreeable even when I don’t want to be, fear of rejection. Just not being able to trust that how I feel is right. I ended up
in terrible relationships putting up with things I didn’t want to

ItReallyDoesntMatterAnymore · 02/04/2025 10:58

Peppasparty · 02/04/2025 09:44

It causes chaos. Afraid to cause conflict, to express any opinion because it’s not respected or wanted or laughed at. It has left me quite agreeable even when I don’t want to be, fear of rejection. Just not being able to trust that how I feel is right. I ended up
in terrible relationships putting up with things I didn’t want to

Same here, people pleasing and ending up in two abusive marriages. Spent the last two years making sense of it all. At least I've stopped blaming myself as much for making a lit of questionable decisions in life. Some also down to me being undiagnosed autistic but also childhood.

ShockedandStunnedRepeatedly · 02/04/2025 11:19

What you say resonates with me. My overriding impression is of things that I said I was interested in or wanted to do were met with bemusement if they didn’t coincide with their interests or if they were considered too frivolous or not educational. Silly… So not exactly laughed at but kind of… looked down on? Is that what you mean? If so it might explain a lot in terms of self esteem. Has taken years to even realise this might be a thing…

Peppasparty · 02/04/2025 12:32

ShockedandStunnedRepeatedly · 02/04/2025 11:19

What you say resonates with me. My overriding impression is of things that I said I was interested in or wanted to do were met with bemusement if they didn’t coincide with their interests or if they were considered too frivolous or not educational. Silly… So not exactly laughed at but kind of… looked down on? Is that what you mean? If so it might explain a lot in terms of self esteem. Has taken years to even realise this might be a thing…

yes I was ridiculous for getting excited about getting my hair done. I was stupid for wanting furniture that I liked the look of. I spent a lot of my life thinking I was stupid when in fact I’m much like many other people.

BustyLaRoux · 02/04/2025 15:34

One of the many reasons I am very glad to be out of this arrangement is the chaos and confusion he creates when handling any kind of dealings with people. Nothing is straight forward. He has a need for complete autonomy so likes to keep his options open as he likes the prerogative to change his mind if he later feels like it. But this often creates confusion with people being stalled or ignored, or given conflicting information and then them getting frustrated with him. He isn’t clear with people. He ignores deadlines or requests for action. He misinterprets what other people have said and then gets annoyed that they don’t share his understanding. It can’t ever be him that’s got it wrong.

DP has decided to move out of the house we shared. But he didn’t do this formally in writing as you would expect to do. He said he would need to move out as the rent is too high. Landlord says ok but he can’t move the rent down. DP says he’s looking at places and will let them know.

In his head he now thinks he’s given notice as he’s told them his intention. But typically he has been vague, as is his way. He then finds a place and takes his kids to see it. But instead of asking them what they thought, he waits several days. I asked why. He said he wanted to give them time to “digest” their feelings. DP reacts very strongly to feeling rushed and will slow down deliberately if he thinks someone is in a hurry for him todo something! And the children are being taught the same. Eventually (four days later!) he asks them if they liked it, and they say it was ok and yes they want to move.

All the while he is being hassled by the agent for the new place as he asked for some bits to be provided with the house which the new LL immediately agreed to. But then he didn’t get back to them for well over a week (keeping them waiting, keeping options open….). Agent says they’re going to put the house back on the market if they don’t hear from him by the end of the day. Clearly they’re getting frustrated. So he finally puts in an application.

He tells the old landlord they are going to be asked for a reference. Landlord says oh right! You’re serious. Maybe we can move the rent down a bit actually. They keep messaging each other to arrange a time to call, but LL is away working and DP then doesn’t answer when he does ring! Another week goes by…..

They eventually do it all by text. DP says he wants x amount off and also intimates he’s already given his notice. LL comes back and says no, you haven’t given notice. You said you were looking/still deciding. You need to put your formal notice in writing now.

DP ignores this. (I saw this message without DP realising). I ask several times as to whether he has given notice. DP keeps saying yes he has and that the LL has confirmed this (basically the complete opposite of the message I saw!).

LL comes back and says he can knock a few hundred off the rent but not the figure DP has asked for. DP says no, he can’t manage that. It has to be the amount he’s asked for or he is moving out on x date (2 weeks from now).

LL says but you haven’t given notice!

DP now tells me the LL is being difficult and is trying to say he hasn’t given notice when he has (even though the message was very clear: he needed to do it in writing. He ignored it). He says the LL has cancelled the notice DP gave because they went into negotiations about a rent reduction. (This is completely untrue and the LL has not said this at all!) DP is furious! It’s all the LL’s fault of course.

As ever he is messing people about, refusing to follow up on actions, ignoring people, delaying people, misinterpreting what other people have said and blaming them.

When he did a refurb on his previous house with his ex, it had gone so badly wrong. They fell out with loads of builders, had to pull people off jobs halfway through, would refuse to pay for things… it was an absolute nightmare and took years. When he told me about it, he blamed her entirely. She didn’t know how to handle people. She didn’t check their work properly. I now realise that of course it must have been him! He would have been vague about the job that he wanted doing, then would have blamed people when it wasn’t what he wanted. He would have said he had been clear when he hadn’t. The tradespeople would be blamed and he would refuse to pay. I am certain this is far more likely than it being all his ex’s fault.

How can someone go through life never realising they are the issue? Never questioning whether they’ve made things difficult? Never wondering if it might be them that periodically just mismanages everything? How can there be such little awareness and reflection? How even though this type of situation occurs all the time, it’s ALWAYS the other person’s fault! I do not get it. And I will not miss it!!! I am very grateful we didn’t buy a place and try and refurb it, as had been our dream at one point. Imagine!!!!! It would have killed me!

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BustyLaRoux · 02/04/2025 19:53

Peppasparty · 02/04/2025 12:32

yes I was ridiculous for getting excited about getting my hair done. I was stupid for wanting furniture that I liked the look of. I spent a lot of my life thinking I was stupid when in fact I’m much like many other people.

Yep, DP thinks I am very silly for getting excited about things. I mean, I think he thinks it’s quite endearing. But also baffling. He doesn’t get excited about anything. He also doesn’t seem to have a lot of emotions. Or at least he has emotions, but they tend to be negative ones: Stress. Shame. Anger. And he tends to feel overwhelmed by them. He doesn’t do joy or excitement. I find that so sad. I get so much joy out of small things. I can’t imagine a life without it. I suppose you don’t miss what you never had.

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Peppasparty · 02/04/2025 20:13

I suppose it’s just a very different way of experiencing the world and I can totally see how relationships must be so challenging. I am welcome into my mums world anytime but she doesn’t make any effort with my world. She wants to see me if I go to her, she wants to show me what she has done but she won’t come to me and she isn’t interested in what I’ve been doing. I’m the one with the problem because Its just selfish really but to her it’s just normal. I’m nothing but someone who exists when I go to her.

ItReallyDoesntMatterAnymore · 03/04/2025 07:45

That sounds absolutely exhausting @BustyLaRoux !! Must be such a relief to not be part of that any more. Although I guess it still affects you in many ways.

A massive yes to renovations being an absolute nightmare. We did a massive, intrusive extension and renovation 7 years ago. It did probably break me, H was so stressed, irritable and shouty on an almost daily basis and of course I then had to help regulate him (which I only realise now). I still remember the check out lady in Bunnings looking at me with a mix of shock and pity after he scowled at me as we were loadibg stuff up to pay. Oh and the time he screamed at me over the phone about making decisions on bathrooms, my DM was sat next to me and she began to cry as it triggered her (guess what, my DF used to shout at her like that when they were married) and she left the room. Of course I covered up for H and said he was very stressed. DD and I actually lived with my DM for 6 weeks of the renovations, with H coming to visit for a couple of long weekends, which was actually quite blissful in hindsight as so peaceful in DMs apartment.

That was 7 years ago, why am I still here?!? Not for long, I'm getting whatever ducks I can lined up!

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