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Married to someone with Asperger's/ASD/ND: support thread 15

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BustyLaRoux · 22/03/2025 06:42

New thread.
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This thread is for those of us seeking to explore the dynamics of long term relationships with our ND partners. Some of us are ND ourselves, very many of us have ND children. It is a support thread, and a safe space, it does get emotional at times. Avoid sweeping generalisations if possible, try and keep it specific to you and your partner.
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It's complicated and it's emotional.
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The old thread is here.

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OP posts:
LoveFoolMe · 30/05/2025 13:56

(For context, he didn't come to the funeral with me and DDs)

LoveFoolMe · 30/05/2025 14:12

@Catssitonhats I see you're staying with friends. I used to get embarrassed by some of DH's behaviour and how oblivious he is to his impact on others. Nowadays I see my friends without him. If they're his or joint friends then they already know what he's like and I'm not responsible for him. I do still inwardly cringe sometimes though.

LoveFoolMe · 30/05/2025 14:21

It's definitely not just you @Catssitonhats! We have parenting differences as well. Still unresolved despite lots of couple counselling.

DH thinks that kids need more discipline. I think they need nurturing.

He's still angry with me for stepping in when he screamed at DD1 as a baby who didn't like sleeping. She's 16. Anyone else got a grudge that's lasted that long?!

SpecialMangeTout3 · 30/05/2025 14:43

LoveFoolMe · 30/05/2025 14:12

@Catssitonhats I see you're staying with friends. I used to get embarrassed by some of DH's behaviour and how oblivious he is to his impact on others. Nowadays I see my friends without him. If they're his or joint friends then they already know what he's like and I'm not responsible for him. I do still inwardly cringe sometimes though.

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Oh me too!!
Im not mixing dh and my friends.
And YY to feeling somehow embarrassed and then asking myself why on Earth I married him (and stayed married) if I was embarrassed by him!

(there are good reasons though - mainly that those weird behaviours are a reflection of his social difficulties and they aren’t there in that way when it’s just us as a family)

Sweetandsaltycaroline · 30/05/2025 15:44

I've taken my DC away several times on my own and most days out, since they were toddlers, are me and them. For years DH (workaholic) couldn't take time off during school holidays to do things with DC. For several years in a row, however, he went on a golf break with his dad and friends during the Easter holidays, which frustrated me because he was always "too busy " for a family holiday. He got very defensive when i pointed this out. He also used to take a few days off per year to help organise open days and BBQs at his sports club...but mostly unable to take days off for any school events. I dont think it even entered his mind that DC might notice or feel disappointed about it. By the time they were tween it didn't seem like hard work anyway, I was just doing 100% of parenting in a different place rather than 99% at home!

Even this week, I suggested taking a day off so teen DS isn't at home on his Xbox all week. DH finally agreed to have today off, but immediately planned a list of chores to do. However we have Been out for the morning with DS

Flamingfeline · 30/05/2025 16:25

This thread is so useful. I’ve been reading bits out to my husband, who’s recently realised he is autistic (and says that if he’d known this when he was younger, he’d have remained single). At the moment, he’s trying hard to understand our differences and that he’s not always right. Late last year I resorted to antidepressants to help me cope, and I’m now trying to reduce. One of the ideas he’s come up with, is that I should use yellow and red cards to indicate unacceptable behaviour for example mocking, humiliating me - “tit for tat” and blaming. He actually went and cut some of said cards out for me to use. He says it will be easier for him to cope with than me telling him he’s out of order, has upset or angered me (mainly angered me these days in fact). “It takes the emotion out of it” he says.
These cards only appeared yesterday so I haven’t needed to use any yet. It seems weird, and a bit sad, but … could work!
He is trying …

LoveFoolMe · 30/05/2025 16:43

Just seen your health scare from a few days ago @ItReallyDoesntMatterAnymore. Sounds awful and scary. How are you doing now?

ItReallyDoesntMatterAnymore · 30/05/2025 18:20

LoveFoolMe · 30/05/2025 16:43

Just seen your health scare from a few days ago @ItReallyDoesntMatterAnymore. Sounds awful and scary. How are you doing now?

Better today thank you, took a couple of days for stomach to recover. I'm now sure it was the stress of the horrible moment in the car last Friday (when H made fun of me not closing the door) which caused it. It's helped me make up my mind and taking steps towards having the talk with H.

Apex3 · 30/05/2025 19:13

Flamingfeline · 30/05/2025 16:25

This thread is so useful. I’ve been reading bits out to my husband, who’s recently realised he is autistic (and says that if he’d known this when he was younger, he’d have remained single). At the moment, he’s trying hard to understand our differences and that he’s not always right. Late last year I resorted to antidepressants to help me cope, and I’m now trying to reduce. One of the ideas he’s come up with, is that I should use yellow and red cards to indicate unacceptable behaviour for example mocking, humiliating me - “tit for tat” and blaming. He actually went and cut some of said cards out for me to use. He says it will be easier for him to cope with than me telling him he’s out of order, has upset or angered me (mainly angered me these days in fact). “It takes the emotion out of it” he says.
These cards only appeared yesterday so I haven’t needed to use any yet. It seems weird, and a bit sad, but … could work!
He is trying …

Been there done that on the antidepressants, and no longer on them. They were actually fantastic for me, but appreciate same might not be true for everyone.

However, take heart!! How wonderful and enlightening that your husband admits he’s ASD is happy to talk about it and is actually trying to do things to try and help the situation between you two. Bravo! Imagine being with someone who flatly denies anything to do with autism or Asperger’s, won’t even hear of it and much less talk about it :(

NoviceVillager · 30/05/2025 23:20

Good podcast from a therapist who works with ND/NT couples: open.spotify.com/episode/40rUonPdOc8v5YIiFVCNRG?si=XI30Rny6TRGDAtthN-6s7g

NoviceVillager · 30/05/2025 23:22

It’s the ‘Hidden 20%’ podcast for those without Spotify and the therapists name is Karen Doherty.

Apex3 · 31/05/2025 10:03

NoviceVillager · 30/05/2025 23:20

Good podcast from a therapist who works with ND/NT couples: open.spotify.com/episode/40rUonPdOc8v5YIiFVCNRG?si=XI30Rny6TRGDAtthN-6s7g

Very interesting, cheers 👍

Pomatron · 31/05/2025 13:33

@Catssitonhats i dread the holidays with DH too, over the years they have become more difficult especially as the children’s needs and emotions have changed. He is unable to cope with their loudness, excitable talking or completely normal sibling bickering. It gets me down. I have taken them away on my own and it’s more relaxing but the children miss him. Don’t think he misses us though as he couldn’t seem less interested when they come back and try to tell him about their adventures 😢

BustyLaRoux · 31/05/2025 19:31

Seething! I’ve had a lovely week off work. DP and I couldn’t have been getting on better. Walking back from the pub (0% beer for us both!!)

DP says something about whether I could help him collect this thing he wants to pick up tomorrow and says a location which is in our city (though not that near!). I say “Oh, in x? I thought you said they were in y (very far away location on other side of the country)?”
He suddenly raises his voice in irritation for no reason and says “oh FFS!!! I told you that’s where they were manufactured. Not where they’re located!”
I was a bit taken aback and say “I don’t remember that”
DP: “well I told you several times” (there is always a very real possibility that he has imagined he told me. He will often invent conversations and then gaslight me into thinking I just don’t remember them. I think he genuinely believes we did have the conversation though. Maybe we did and I didn’t hear, as I am partially deaf. You can never tell which it is though! Has he misremembered telling me, or have I just not heard?!)
Me: “I’m pretty sure you said they were in y”
DP: “no! I told you at least three times. YOU must not have been listening!!”
Me: “or perhaps you told me when you were in another room or wandering about the house as you like to do”
DP: “right so it’s my fault then!”
me: “I’m not saying that”
DP: “yes you are. You’re saying it’s my fault!”
me: you’re being ridiculous
DP: (stops walking) you said I must have been walking around when I was telling you and so it’s MY FAULT you didn’t hear the conversation!!!
me: again, you’re being ridiculous. This isn’t about fault.
DP: you just said it was my fault!
me: no more than you saying it was mine when you said “YOU weren’t listening!” In fact, if you want to talk about fault, then it was you who tried to find fault with me first. You’re not being very nice right now and if this carries on you can spend the evening by yourself.
DP: fine, well you can spend your time reflecting on what you said!
Me: ok, bye then!

Then he came to my house and started saying he was sorry and had forgotten my disability etc. I said no this is about you blaming me for not bothering to listen and getting annoyed with me for no reason at all. He continues getting frustrated. Interrupting me. Calling me sarcastic. I stay calm and tell him to leave please. He storms out.

What a plonker. I won’t tolerate this anymore. These angry outbursts that used to throw me and have me apologising. This incessant need to blame and then get angry if he thinks he’s being blamed. Obsession with whose fault it is. I won’t accept this behaviour.

I’ve been listening to him over the last few days and it’s amazing how quick he is to cast blame. He’s trying to buy and sell stuff. Deals fall through. People are vague. It’s how it is. But he has this compulsion to tell me how it’s not his fault. The other person said x then he replied and then they did this and consequently he hasn’t been able to go and get it. It’s not his fault. They’re to blame. Always with the need to ensure I know he isn't to blame. I listen and say nothing. I know it’s his autism that makes him like this. I won’t be on the end of it though. He really struggles to accept something sometimes has been missed or fallen through or miscommunicated. Shit happens. It’s life. It’s no biggie. But he has this determination to attribute blame.

OP posts:
ShockedandStunnedRepeatedly · 31/05/2025 22:44

i absolutely recognise this dynamic.

NDornotND · 01/06/2025 07:51

I recognise the dynamic too. DH can be a bit like this- always needs to find someone to blame, can't see that sometimes shitty things just happen, but the worst for this is DM. I feel sorry for my Dad, he gets the worst of it, but it is becoming more difficult as she is getting quite frail and elderly - she gets furious when she makes a mistake doing things online (shopping comes on the wrong day with 6 of one item, or her prescription doesn't arrive because she didn't click on the final 'confirm'). She cannot accept she might have made an (understandable - given her age and unfamiliarity with doing things online) error - she's just furious with Tesco and the Pharmacy for getting it wrong and with me and DF because we 'never believe her' - sigh...

BustyLaRoux · 01/06/2025 09:02

The stupid thing was that I wasn’t looking to blame anyone! He does walk round the house talking to me. Probably 15 times a day I calmly say “I can’t hear you if you’re in a different room, darling”. He can’t help wandering off while he’s speaking, or asking me something from the bathroom when I’m in the bedroom. He doesn’t do it on purpose. No more than I can’t hear him on purpose. It’s one of those things. No point being annoyed about it. I wish I wasn’t deaf. But I am.

When he said “YOU must not have been listening!” it was said in a very accusatory manner and is very different from “maybe you didn’t hear me”. And when I said “maybe you were wandering around or in a different room when you said it, as you tend to do..?” I didn’t mean it to sound like blame at all. Just a possible explanation as to why I’d missed it. It’s typical then that he would see this as a blame statement (I can see why he did, but honestly it wasn’t my intention). I was offering it up as an explanation as to why I’d not heard him maybe. I’m deaf and if he’s facing away from me or walking about I won’t hear what he’s saying. I certainly don’t blame him for doing that. But he literally stopped dead in his tracks in the middle of the street and started on and on about how I was insisting it was his fault and how I was being defensive.

He did message me later on and apologise profusely. Said he forgets I’m deaf and got frustrated that I had missed what he said. That it’s not OK to get frustrated with someone for being deaf. Etc etc. That he knows he’d ruined a lovely evening by getting frustrated at me.

I felt he’d missed the point though. He always uses the word “frustrated” when I want to say no, not it’s not frustration. You were angry! It might start with frustration but your outward behaviour is angry.

Also, accusing me of not listening isn’t the same as saying perhaps you didn’t hear me. Telling someone off for not listening is what we do to children! I’m not a naughty child and I don’t appreciate being spoken to like one.

And this obsession with fault and blame! It needs to stop. Things just go awry sometimes. It’s not necessary to assert whose fault it is. And whilst he may feel the need to do that, he should accept that other people aren’t working that way in their head.

I remember once him giving me a four minute tirade all about how I was blaming him for misordering a take away item. I really wasn’t though. It was easily done. He just added in a word to the dish we wanted and they brought the wrong thing. It obviously confused them. (No biggie! No one’s fault. It happens). And we were going to order from them again and I said oh make sure you say x and not whatever you said last time as they seemed to get confused remember? He didn’t reply so I said it again as I wasn’t sure he’d heard me. He exploded and went off on one about how I was beating him with a stick and he knows he fucked up the ordering before and I’m making sure he knows it!!! On and on he went about how I have to make sure he knows he fucked up.

But it wasn’t my intention at all! I just wanted to make sure we didn’t get the wrong dish again. I had no interest in blaming anyone. But because he is so set on blaming other people all the time and looking for fault, he assumes I must be as well. He has genuinely told me many times that I’m obsessed with blame. It’s so far from the truth!! He only thinks that because he is. But of course he doesn’t know any other way to be and can’t see a different view of the world.

I am glad he apologised. But I think he misses the nuance of the situation. He’s apologising for forgetting I’m deaf and getting frustrated about it. I wish he would apologise for being angry and obsessed with fault. Oh well, I suppose an apology is better than nothing. Better than many of us get! We are friends. He is sorry. I had a nice evening in my pink-kettle-cottage (as I have renamed it!) and watched a film instead. If we lived together and had been stuck in the house the evening would have been awful. Me upset but trying to smooth things over for the sake of cordiality. Him giving me the silent treatment (so say to avoid an argument). Me saying he’d really upset me. Him then telling me HE was the upset one. Me incredulous that he could be such an asshole and still somehow manage to be upset/the victim….. I’m afraid I’ve been here too many times before. Now I just leave him to it and enjoy the solitude. And he seems to work out pretty quickly that he’s behaved badly. Though he isn’t always 100% clear on exactly what he’s done. It’s a definite improvement!

OP posts:
BustyLaRoux · 01/06/2025 09:19

NDornotND · 01/06/2025 07:51

I recognise the dynamic too. DH can be a bit like this- always needs to find someone to blame, can't see that sometimes shitty things just happen, but the worst for this is DM. I feel sorry for my Dad, he gets the worst of it, but it is becoming more difficult as she is getting quite frail and elderly - she gets furious when she makes a mistake doing things online (shopping comes on the wrong day with 6 of one item, or her prescription doesn't arrive because she didn't click on the final 'confirm'). She cannot accept she might have made an (understandable - given her age and unfamiliarity with doing things online) error - she's just furious with Tesco and the Pharmacy for getting it wrong and with me and DF because we 'never believe her' - sigh...

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Oh and YY to this! Angry that this company has “fucked up” or has fallen out with that person because they did x. It’s never his fault. Never just one of those things.

Example, he’s arranging to collect something from a person. He types out a message agreeing to collect on Monday but forgets to hit send. Realises (on Monday morning) and sends it. It’s too late for the person to arrange for someone to be at home. They say sorry they can’t do Monday anymore (as he didn’t get back to them in time). He then blames them for messing him about!

That’s a very typical exchange. And when he describes this to me later on, he won’t say “yeah I forgot to send the message on Sunday. I need to rearrange it” or “Monday fell through in the end”. He will say “oh they’re really messing me about!” So yes, @NDornotND i totally recognise the fury at other people or companies when really it’s just life. A bit annoying. No need to be furious. No need to blame everyone all the time. Sigh!

OP posts:
Catssitonhats · 01/06/2025 12:42

BustyLaRoux · 31/05/2025 19:31

Seething! I’ve had a lovely week off work. DP and I couldn’t have been getting on better. Walking back from the pub (0% beer for us both!!)

DP says something about whether I could help him collect this thing he wants to pick up tomorrow and says a location which is in our city (though not that near!). I say “Oh, in x? I thought you said they were in y (very far away location on other side of the country)?”
He suddenly raises his voice in irritation for no reason and says “oh FFS!!! I told you that’s where they were manufactured. Not where they’re located!”
I was a bit taken aback and say “I don’t remember that”
DP: “well I told you several times” (there is always a very real possibility that he has imagined he told me. He will often invent conversations and then gaslight me into thinking I just don’t remember them. I think he genuinely believes we did have the conversation though. Maybe we did and I didn’t hear, as I am partially deaf. You can never tell which it is though! Has he misremembered telling me, or have I just not heard?!)
Me: “I’m pretty sure you said they were in y”
DP: “no! I told you at least three times. YOU must not have been listening!!”
Me: “or perhaps you told me when you were in another room or wandering about the house as you like to do”
DP: “right so it’s my fault then!”
me: “I’m not saying that”
DP: “yes you are. You’re saying it’s my fault!”
me: you’re being ridiculous
DP: (stops walking) you said I must have been walking around when I was telling you and so it’s MY FAULT you didn’t hear the conversation!!!
me: again, you’re being ridiculous. This isn’t about fault.
DP: you just said it was my fault!
me: no more than you saying it was mine when you said “YOU weren’t listening!” In fact, if you want to talk about fault, then it was you who tried to find fault with me first. You’re not being very nice right now and if this carries on you can spend the evening by yourself.
DP: fine, well you can spend your time reflecting on what you said!
Me: ok, bye then!

Then he came to my house and started saying he was sorry and had forgotten my disability etc. I said no this is about you blaming me for not bothering to listen and getting annoyed with me for no reason at all. He continues getting frustrated. Interrupting me. Calling me sarcastic. I stay calm and tell him to leave please. He storms out.

What a plonker. I won’t tolerate this anymore. These angry outbursts that used to throw me and have me apologising. This incessant need to blame and then get angry if he thinks he’s being blamed. Obsession with whose fault it is. I won’t accept this behaviour.

I’ve been listening to him over the last few days and it’s amazing how quick he is to cast blame. He’s trying to buy and sell stuff. Deals fall through. People are vague. It’s how it is. But he has this compulsion to tell me how it’s not his fault. The other person said x then he replied and then they did this and consequently he hasn’t been able to go and get it. It’s not his fault. They’re to blame. Always with the need to ensure I know he isn't to blame. I listen and say nothing. I know it’s his autism that makes him like this. I won’t be on the end of it though. He really struggles to accept something sometimes has been missed or fallen through or miscommunicated. Shit happens. It’s life. It’s no biggie. But he has this determination to attribute blame.

I totally feel this. We have the same thing about me not listening, and I am fully hearing! If he knocks something over, it's my fault for leaving it there. If he has told me something, whether I heard it or not, responded or not, because he has told me then I MUST not have been listening if I didn't retain that information (whether he did tell me and I forgot, or I didn't hear him / he didn't check he had my attention, or whether he thought he told me and hadn't). If it's my word against his, he is ALWAYS right and it always has to be so.
The argument you had in itself sounds so petty and ridiculous reading out loud - why does anyone of it matter, and why is anyone at fault about anything anyway? You thought one thing, he thought another, it was a miscommunication. Why can't he just leave it at that? Nobody at fault?
DH does have the ability to say he's wrong and apologise but I think the autism causes a lack of ability to think outside any but their own perspective and it's SO. FUCKING. IRRITATING.

You're constantly made to feel lazy / not listening/ not bothered / wrong and it grinds you down. I get it. You're not wrong to not want to be around him now. X

ItReallyDoesntMatterAnymore · 01/06/2025 12:54

This blaming others is also showing us that there is little willingness to take accountability for actions or behaviours and the effect it has on us. I'm pleased you have your Pink Kettle Cottage @BustyLaRoux 😊 hopefully I'm not too far behind you now!

ItReallyDoesntMatterAnymore · 01/06/2025 12:57

I've just been made to feel bad for not bring ok with H's contant banter and 'mickey taking' of me. Apparently he's not making fun of me and it's meant to be fun for everyone and cheer us all up. It doesn't feel like it though. Can't open my mouth for having a slight stutter ir mispronounced words made into a joke!

Made up my mind this time, just trying to figure out timing as well as what I want in terms of living arrangements. Not going to just let him have the house and everything, need to think about DD and her needs.

ShockedandStunnedRepeatedly · 01/06/2025 14:24

Is that a thing? jokes that are said to be loving not malicious? Hmmm.

SpecialMangeTout3 · 01/06/2025 14:31

ItReallyDoesntMatterAnymore · 01/06/2025 12:57

I've just been made to feel bad for not bring ok with H's contant banter and 'mickey taking' of me. Apparently he's not making fun of me and it's meant to be fun for everyone and cheer us all up. It doesn't feel like it though. Can't open my mouth for having a slight stutter ir mispronounced words made into a joke!

Made up my mind this time, just trying to figure out timing as well as what I want in terms of living arrangements. Not going to just let him have the house and everything, need to think about DD and her needs.

In a weird way, I’m happy to see you making plans @ItReallyDoesntMatterAnymore

You deserve better than being laughed at/made fun off for something you can’t control

ItReallyDoesntMatterAnymore · 01/06/2025 15:20

ShockedandStunnedRepeatedly · 01/06/2025 14:24

Is that a thing? jokes that are said to be loving not malicious? Hmmm.

To a certain point it could be fun to have a bit of banter (but there are boundaries) from what I understand it's how H used to interact with his late brother and dad. With me it's gradually becoming more and more offensive (anything from making fun of my physical appearance, the way I talk, eat, anything really) I guess I used to laugh a lot of it off although I remember being caught off guard in the early days.

Of course DD thinks it's highly entertaining so it's become a bit of a thing for them to laugh at my expense!

ShockedandStunnedRepeatedly · 01/06/2025 15:26

Sorry to hear that. That’s not nice.

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