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I need a good rant - advice also helpful!

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Sunflowers67 · 12/03/2025 12:21

So, we have been together about 15 years now - living together for 14 of those.
I always knew he was a little 'quirky' but I suppose with family, friends, busy career, I was able to handle it better.
Now, we are both semi retired, my dad passed away so my mum lives with us (not easy, but what else can an only child do), the kids have left home and his 'quirky' little ways are far more noticeable, annoying and darn right hurtful at times.
We are also due to get married in two weeks and I don't think I'm gonna do it. It wont bother him if we don't, he'll just shrug his shoulders and carry on as usual. He wont leave our home or threaten to end the relationship - he never does. Sometimes I wish there would be a huge display of emotion and anger and then we can both just shout at each other, get it out of our systems and then communicate and repair. But he doesn't communicate, he never sees a problem and I am increasingly becoming immune and unfeeling towards him - I suppose its a form of self protection.
We have separate bedrooms, seperate interests and I would say we have lived together like two mates for years - except I don't treat my mates like this.

So, what does he do that is so bad? he doesn't drink much, he is not a cheat, he is not secretive, he would help anyone (except me), he tolerates my mother living with us, he gets on well with my grown up kids (he chooses not to see his family).
He has no emotions, he cannot 'read a room', he doesnt know when I am sad or worried or down as he cannot recognise body language or facial expressions. I have felt for quite some time that he is maybe autistic (his son is, which is why he chooses not to see him - he cant handle the skewed thoughts and strange behaviours from him and never did when he was a small child - the boy was raised by his alcoholic mother, we tried for custody but because we didn't get it, my other half then decided to not see the boy).
Not my style of parenting, but it was his choice.
Now, as we are getting on in years and my health has taken a down turn, I need his support and understanding more. And it isn't there. But then it never was.
I spend my days doing my own thing around the large property that we have - if we try and do something together, gardening, cleaning, maintenance, he just gets frustrated that I'm not doing it his way! So we work separately.
Many a time I have tried to talk to him and he takes it so personally, gets angry, wants very specific examples of how his behaviour has hurt me - and even if I do remember specifics, he then disputes it and turns it all around so as its me with the problem.
Then I am the one more upset, the one staying in my room wondering how my life amounted to this? And what dooes he do whilst I'm upset? He is carrying on as normal, in his own little world. He'll put some music on, he will sing and whistle and be merry. I suppose in his mind, this is me being me - moody, upset and I will snap out of it in a few days. Which I do. The hurt dissipates a little so I carry on functioning normally again - I will talk to him, I will get busy and then round we go again. Same old same old.
I have given up trying to talk to him, I know it does no good. I have tried to get us into some counselling but no where near me does 'couples counselling' - he is willing to go if I find somewhere. He is probably hoping that a counsellor will point out 'the error of my ways'.
I think what bothers me the most is the fact that it doesn't bother him that we are like this - that he is not upset, he doesn't try to talk to me about us, there is just nothing there with him.
I am upstairs now, typing this, and I can hear him downstairs singing away, happy and joyful. I feel like I want to go downstairs and hit him with the large skillet and scream 'feel that buster?!' - I wont, I'm not a violent person. But god does he bring out the worst in me.

Going our separate ways is probably the best option but its quite a scary thought to go it alone after 15 years - and then splitting all the assets, looking after mother, tending to this large place/or even having to sell it and split the proceeds, lawyers. He also would not leave the home so we would be living in more hell until everything was finalised and I am the only one that feels the pain of that.

I suppose I really want us/him to change. And I'm old enough to know that wont happen - been there/divorced that many years ago.

Thank you for letting me offload.

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GenerousGardener · 04/06/2025 23:45

And do you know why you feel like that OP? Because you are a lovely person with a kind heart. My ExH regularly beat the crap out of me, emotionally and financially abused me. We divorced, he found another woman who took him to the cleaners. He had nowhere to go and all his kids hers/mine despised him. When I heard about it I felt sorry for him even though he probably caused it. My mum told me that it was my kind heart that was shining through despite what he did to me.

OP you can feel sorry for him, but never forget the time that you wanted to pee on a pillow because you were so scared of him. I promise you that in the end you will feel absolutely nothing for this ‘man’.

Sunflowers67 · 04/06/2025 23:50

Yes he is entitled to that - but he is doing nothing towards getting that!
All he has to do is contact his solicitor and say 'Yes I agree' and then he gets his money and can go off into the sunset.
When will he start dishing out my 'punishment' for being this "mental cnt & controlling btch" that he was so sure I was and has now ruined his life? Or is he stalling and avoiding on purpose to make it cost me more? Or is there another 'last trick' up his sleeve that I haven't thought of?
I know I don't need to and shouldn't even be trying to second guess such an irrational, unstable and volatile person but.....

Has anyone successfully sued Pukka Teas for false advertising as these 'calming, sleep inducing' tea bags are RUBBISH.

OP posts:
Sunflowers67 · 04/06/2025 23:54

#GenerousGardener
I am so sorry that you went through that 🤗
I will hold you to that promise 🙂

OP posts:
S0j0urn4r · 05/06/2025 00:58

@Sunflowers67
Or is he waiting for you to swoop in and rescue him again?

AcrossthePond55 · 05/06/2025 14:20

@Sunflowers67

I wish I could find some anger towards him - no matter how deep I dig, there is nothing. The only feelings I have ever had were love, compassion, trying to understand him, confusion, sadness, hopelessness and then fear. But not one little bit of anger will surface

Anger will come. It takes time for your mind to sift through the torrent of emotions. You just have to let the emotions roll over you as they surface, just as a wave rolls over you in the sea. Fighting the wave doesn't do you any good, you just go with it until you are free to swim away.

You know, the rest of your post sort of indicates that the anger is there, simmering below the surface:

But there was nothing - not one teeny weeny bit of it from him - So he left me no choice but to end something that I didn't want to end. Stupid stupid stupid man 😭
Why doesn't he move away back to his family and friends, why doesn't he deal with the practicalities of all this - pick up his things, contact his solicitor and settle his share of the house, take some money and start afresh.
I don't want to see him when I go to get bread or milk or go out to post a letter.....

I know those thoughts don't feel like anger right now. But they will. Right now you are mourning the 'death of the dream'. You had a dream of how your life would be. You had it all planned out. But now he's smashed it all to smithereens. This is what you will build your anger on, but first you have to go through the mourning. And you will. Then you'll find yourself a better dream.

This is a marathon, not a sprint. Give yourself gentleness, kindness, and patience. Don't kick yourself for not having emotions your mind is not ready to deal with. When you feel the sadness, fear, etc just keep telling yourself 'This too shall pass'.

@S0j0urn4r said:

Or is he waiting for you to swoop in and rescue him again?

I think this bears thinking about. And if that's what he thinks he's in for a big surprise.

Sunflowers67 · 05/06/2025 14:45

It did cross my mind, very briefly, that he may be waiting for me to swoop in and rescue him - but that thought was quickly dismissed. Even if I wanted to, there is a restraining (DAPO) order in place for the foreseeable future and even he must know that is now out of my hands.
Unless he has mentally changed, and quite drastically, then he is full of his usual contempt towards me and blaming my mental state for abusing him. He is the victim in everything and this is no different.

Yes, there are little glimmers of what feels like anger - but its such an 'unused' emotion with me that I maybe am not recognising it.

Just seen my counsellor and feel like the 'reset' button has been pushed again - offloaded, worked through, recognised a few things and used her whole box of tissues, as usual. She asked my permission at the end to give me a hug.
That made me cry even more as I don't remember when I last had a hug that was simply to help me and had no grabbing at my body parts or ulterior motives. It was so nice and felt instantly calming and reassuring.

Now, I am going to keep busy this afternoon, fight the urge to take to my bed and sleep all afternoon, walk the pup and enjoy the sunshine.

Thank you everyone - you truly are so appreciated 😘

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AcrossthePond55 · 05/06/2025 15:03

Yes, there are little glimmers of what feels like anger - but its such an 'unused' emotion with me that I maybe am not recognising it.

@Sunflowers67

This really struck a chord with me. No, as women we are 'not allowed' to feel anger, are we? We must 'be kind'. We must 'be ladylike'. We must 'forgive their trespasses'. You know what...fuck that.

My BFF and I think of anger in our lives as one way in which we 'learn our truth'. We've found that our anger is often our mind's way of saying "HEY!!!! Listen up!!! This isn't right!!!". And when we listen to that voice, then we know our truth. What we do with it is up to us. In most cases it's enough to just know your truth within yourself. Sometimes knowing your truth means taking action. The choice is up to you.

Unless he has mentally changed, and quite drastically, then he is full of his usual contempt towards me and blaming my mental state for abusing him. He is the victim in everything and this is no different.

Of course he is!! And this is one situation in which knowing your truth is invaluable. You know he's full of shit, and that is your truth.

Sounds like your counselor is a good one. Use that resource!!! Having an 'outside' source of support will be invaluable.

Keep busy, good! My personal 'busy' was always cleaning closets and drawers. Something always needing doing and there is an 'instant' visual result. At one time in my life I had the most clean and organized closets and drawers in the history of womankind. Just don't ask to look in them now!

You'll get through this. I have complete faith in you.

LadyMacbethssweetArabianhand · 05/06/2025 15:06

I would give you a hug too. When I split from my exh, I missed hugs and human contact. The dog got lots of cuddles and the kids, when they let me 😂. But hugs are great.
You are getting there. Of course you felt sad because you miss being in a relationship and you are a nice person.
Think of the horrible things he did and said and feel sad for what he denied you and start to feel anger. But as Dr Who ( Christopher Eccleston) said to Rose Tyler, "Have a good life." That is what is important.

Nearly50omg · 05/06/2025 15:06

Being autistic isn’t an excuse for being a narcissist who’s frankly absuive too by the sound of it! I wasted 25 years of my life with someone like this until recently. Wish I’d left 10 years ago when I had the chance

consistentlyinconsistent · 05/06/2025 17:30

AcrossthePond55 · 05/06/2025 15:03

Yes, there are little glimmers of what feels like anger - but its such an 'unused' emotion with me that I maybe am not recognising it.

@Sunflowers67

This really struck a chord with me. No, as women we are 'not allowed' to feel anger, are we? We must 'be kind'. We must 'be ladylike'. We must 'forgive their trespasses'. You know what...fuck that.

My BFF and I think of anger in our lives as one way in which we 'learn our truth'. We've found that our anger is often our mind's way of saying "HEY!!!! Listen up!!! This isn't right!!!". And when we listen to that voice, then we know our truth. What we do with it is up to us. In most cases it's enough to just know your truth within yourself. Sometimes knowing your truth means taking action. The choice is up to you.

Unless he has mentally changed, and quite drastically, then he is full of his usual contempt towards me and blaming my mental state for abusing him. He is the victim in everything and this is no different.

Of course he is!! And this is one situation in which knowing your truth is invaluable. You know he's full of shit, and that is your truth.

Sounds like your counselor is a good one. Use that resource!!! Having an 'outside' source of support will be invaluable.

Keep busy, good! My personal 'busy' was always cleaning closets and drawers. Something always needing doing and there is an 'instant' visual result. At one time in my life I had the most clean and organized closets and drawers in the history of womankind. Just don't ask to look in them now!

You'll get through this. I have complete faith in you.

Just wanted to say that I really resonate with what you’re saying about being angry as a woman. My dearest mother suffered awful abuse from my ‘father’ for two decades and many people tell her to just forgive him… she has moved on as much as possible but feels he does not deserve her forgiveness. I feel that as a woman, she is expected to forgive and forget. It makes me angry for her (the irony). Anyway didn’t want to just scroll past and say nothing after reading your insightful message.

S0j0urn4r · 05/06/2025 18:24

I know, in my situation, I had unknowingly numbed all emotion. As more bad things happened I just had no reaction. i think it was a survival tactic.
I wonder if you have done something similar? @Sunflowers67
I'm glad the counselling is helping. 🤗

Sunflowers67 · 05/06/2025 21:44

Agreed - I think over the years I have numbed my emotions. I've buried them deep as it did not one ounce of good to get upset. No-one noticed or even cared.
I thought I was becoming strong and self sufficient but I wasn't - I was just covering it all over and getting on with that crappy life I was in.

It's actually quite nice sometimes to 'feel'. Although rare and fleeting at the moment, I do feel joy and happiness in such small things.
I can cry and know roughly why I am crying. I don't feel as helpless in this situation as I did in that life with him.
Although I am pretty much on my own now, it is nowhere near as bad as that lonely feeling when there is someone right there with you who could help, could show empathy, could hug you and tell you that they have got you - but they choose not to. That is proper, raw, heart-breaking loneliness. This is now just 'situational' loneliness and there is a certain calm and peace to it too.
I am in charge of my own destiny now - I decide what I do and don't do and I can be as selfish as I like with my time and my energy.
This is my life and I take back my ownership of it.
I hope that makes some sense.

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MeTooOverHere · 06/06/2025 00:55

"they are drawn to someone who has got their sh*t together, over cares and over gives"

So now get your sh*t together, and care and give to yourself. And your mother while she lives. But forget this man and any others for a few years and focus on doing right by YOU.

My late husband was on the spectrum but he was not an a-hole and he was attentive to my emotions. Autism is just being used as an excuse by your man. Excuse to not parent, excuse to not husband.

Sunflowers67 · 06/06/2025 08:23

I think there was much more going on than autism - he was a damaged man in many ways.

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OlderGlaswegianLivingInDevon · 06/06/2025 11:24

Not your responsibility tho if he is a damaged man, it is your problem as he is a dangerous man

You lived in fear...

user1471538283 · 06/06/2025 12:35

No, no, no do not feel sorry for him! This is called consequences! If he hadn't had abused you and treated you like rubbish all along he would still have a lovely life with you!

Why would you (successful, gorgeous woman) want him dragging his soul around looking like a tramp? No you do not!

My ex expected me to feel sorry for him because none of his DC visited him in hospital. The very same DC he'd abandoned. No. It's consequences.

blobby10 · 07/06/2025 08:50

Being a cynic I suspect that he's playing you, thinking he knows you and that you will feel sorry for him, let him back in then he can lift you up before dumping you on HIS terms. He must be so angry that you haven't caved in and it will be eating away at him - after all, in his head you can't live without him. How very wrong you are proving him to be - you are amazing!! x

AcrossthePond55 · 07/06/2025 19:15

Sunflowers67 · 06/06/2025 08:23

I think there was much more going on than autism - he was a damaged man in many ways.

I agree with @OlderGlaswegianLivingInDevon .

He is not your responsibility. The only one who can fix him is HIM, and he has no interest in doing so.

As far as him being dangerous, your responsibility is to keep yourself safe. It's not up to you to 'save the world' from any 'danger' he may present.

Remember, you are NOT required to set yourself on fire to keep others warm.

Sunflowers67 · 08/06/2025 09:17

'Self Soothing' are words that I have heard a lot during my counselling, reading books on abuse recovery, listening to podcasts and YouTube videos and I thought they were just 'buzz words' and didn't really understand what I was supposed to do.
How can you look after yourself when your mind is in such turmoil, when you miss him so badly, when you feel guilt for ruining their life and you just want the life that they promised you, showed you on occasion.

I think I am nearly three months in now from when I first told him that I had had enough, that the wedding was off and I was just done with it all.
Five weeks since he was arrested and not allowed back to the property.

Probably only in the last week do I feel like my mind is starting to come back to being my own again, that the pain is not so intense and he is not on my mind 24/7 and I have started to really appreciate the meaning of 'self soothing'.

I was doing all the right things - long soaks in the bath with a bath bomb treat, something nice to eat, watching some girly films, a new book, walks in the countryside, starting an adult ed course, a nap when I felt like it - but they all felt forced. Until now. Now they are starting to be enjoyed and appreciated.

And I have just discovered 'audible books' - being a bit of a technophobe I just didn't even bother trying to figure out how to listen to books on my phone. But now I have. For the last two nights I have laid in bed, with the dog and a hot chocolate and listened to some ghost stories (probably not everyone's 'soothing' cup of tea) - and I felt enveloped in warmth and comfort. I think its the memory of being a child and having a bedtime story read to you. Its amazing - anyway, it may help someone else so I thought I'd share 😘

Have a calm and peaceful Sunday everyone xx

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SamDeanCas · 08/06/2025 09:29

What a lovely update op.

Itsnearlyxmas · 08/06/2025 09:38

FreshOutOfFucks · 12/03/2025 16:57

I'm surprised that you seem surprised by the sort of man you've ended up with. Surely you noticed the red flags waving clearly when he abandoned his autistic child? Maybe the large property made it easier to ignore them?

Anyway, it's a long old life being a second class citizen in your own relationship. I can't really see what would be in it for you if you stayed. (Apart from the house.)

How rude. Why assume the house is his anyway? Sexism at it's finest

AcrossthePond55 · 08/06/2025 14:53

@Sunflowers67

I'm so glad you're finding a bit of peace and serenity. There will be more moments like this as time passes.

Sunflowers67 · 08/06/2025 20:47

I'm surprised that you seem surprised by the sort of man you've ended up with. Surely you noticed the red flags waving clearly when he abandoned his autistic child? Maybe the large property made it easier to ignore them?
Anyway, it's a long old life being a second class citizen in your own relationship. I can't really see what would be in it for you if you stayed. (Apart from the house.)

Sorry to shatter the illusion but this little old lady bought the house, with another little old lady actually. Funded by a very successful business sale that incidentally, this little old lady, single handily built from the ground up - and she didn't even break a nail 😜
Excellent business head but, by my own admission, a pretty atrocious relationship head.
Never 'assume' anything in this weird old world - we even get the vote now - imagine that!

OP posts:
LouiseMadetheBestBroccoliPasta · 08/06/2025 21:17

Sunflowers67 · 08/06/2025 20:47

I'm surprised that you seem surprised by the sort of man you've ended up with. Surely you noticed the red flags waving clearly when he abandoned his autistic child? Maybe the large property made it easier to ignore them?
Anyway, it's a long old life being a second class citizen in your own relationship. I can't really see what would be in it for you if you stayed. (Apart from the house.)

Sorry to shatter the illusion but this little old lady bought the house, with another little old lady actually. Funded by a very successful business sale that incidentally, this little old lady, single handily built from the ground up - and she didn't even break a nail 😜
Excellent business head but, by my own admission, a pretty atrocious relationship head.
Never 'assume' anything in this weird old world - we even get the vote now - imagine that!

Yes, this post made me think of that old saying, "When you ASSume, you make an ass of you and me".

pikkumyy77 · 08/06/2025 21:53

Sunflowers67 · 08/06/2025 09:17

'Self Soothing' are words that I have heard a lot during my counselling, reading books on abuse recovery, listening to podcasts and YouTube videos and I thought they were just 'buzz words' and didn't really understand what I was supposed to do.
How can you look after yourself when your mind is in such turmoil, when you miss him so badly, when you feel guilt for ruining their life and you just want the life that they promised you, showed you on occasion.

I think I am nearly three months in now from when I first told him that I had had enough, that the wedding was off and I was just done with it all.
Five weeks since he was arrested and not allowed back to the property.

Probably only in the last week do I feel like my mind is starting to come back to being my own again, that the pain is not so intense and he is not on my mind 24/7 and I have started to really appreciate the meaning of 'self soothing'.

I was doing all the right things - long soaks in the bath with a bath bomb treat, something nice to eat, watching some girly films, a new book, walks in the countryside, starting an adult ed course, a nap when I felt like it - but they all felt forced. Until now. Now they are starting to be enjoyed and appreciated.

And I have just discovered 'audible books' - being a bit of a technophobe I just didn't even bother trying to figure out how to listen to books on my phone. But now I have. For the last two nights I have laid in bed, with the dog and a hot chocolate and listened to some ghost stories (probably not everyone's 'soothing' cup of tea) - and I felt enveloped in warmth and comfort. I think its the memory of being a child and having a bedtime story read to you. Its amazing - anyway, it may help someone else so I thought I'd share 😘

Have a calm and peaceful Sunday everyone xx

Oh the pleasures of being read to! I listen to audio books—right now I am listening to some excellent BBC radio productions of LeCarre. And I just spent a happy hour reading aloud to my two daughters—26 and 28. The Masqueraders by Georgette Heyer. It is a childhood favorite of theirs and they are taping me as I do it.

Really interesting and important that you posted about how long it took you to really feel the benefit of all your self soothing. I am sure that the others who read this thread who are in similar circumstances will benefit tremendously from your post. It can be so hard to persist when the pay off is delayed. Very inspiring!