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Dad hanging round outside bathroom *MNHQ Content warning for abuse*

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Househunter2025 · 06/02/2025 20:55

I was reading a thread that just got deleted and it's really made me think.

When I was a teenager my dad used to hang around outside the bathroom and my bedroom - I always found it really creepy but nothing else ever happened so I didn't really think it was abusive behaviour - but I always found it really creepy and couldn't stand being near him or alone with him. Never mentioned it to anyone before.

In my 40s now and it still bothers me. I'm hyper aware of my kids dad or other males on the family doing anything to them and it feels beyond all proportion. I don't think other parents have this fear.

A couple of posters on the other thread said they had experienced similar and I was about to reply but then it was deleted.

Don't know what I want from this thread really. I wouldn't mention anything to family - parents are elderly. I don't have sisters. Just want to come to terms with it and put it in perspective I guess.

OP posts:
DriftDaisy · 07/02/2025 06:49

I had this but to a lesser extent. My Dad would stare at me, my Mum told him once not to stare at my legs. I could never make eye contact with him. I knew something wasn’t right, but could never put my finger on it. I remember being young and he lifted my nighty up to scratch my back, but I had no underwear on. My Mum told him to stop. He always sat in a chair with one hand in his trousers. Again, my Mum would tell him not to. He refused. He ended up with his own tele, in his own room.

But I still loved him and was distraught when he died a few years ago.

I don’t know how it’s affected me. With my DP, now my DD is 14 - I go to bed early and I’m aware that they watch TV together alone. But there is no ‘vibe’. I know what that vibe is, and it’s not there.

That vibe needs to be vocalised more I think. It’s shockingly common and so unspeakable. As women, we are told to ignore or that we are imagining things. But ignoring it stops the challenge.
My Mum challenged, and I think I’ve learnt her ability to stand up to what is wrong. Even if it’s difficult and people hate me for it,

Mummyoflittledragon · 07/02/2025 06:57

Reading some of these stories, I think I got off lightly. There were 2 things.

The first, I was staying over at my grandmother’s house and she wasn’t home. My Grandmother’s boyfriend was there and deliberately made me cry when I was 16 under the guise of comforting me after my dad died. He was leaning over my chair, arms on each arm of the chair, so close to me. I wanted to move away. As I got up he clamped his arms around me, pinning my arms down then tried to kiss me. The third attempt he got my lips. I went ballistic, screaming and swearing at him and he left the house telling me it was our little secret. Clearly he was a seasoned abuser. My reaction and his age saved me worse treatment. My mother bollocked him and swore me to secrecy so as not to upset grandma. Still can’t reconcile that one in my head. My mother had an uncle, who was very touchy, feely that she knew to avoid. I suppose you just didn’t talk about that stuff.

The second, my brother sometimes called down me to come and see him and he’d be naked and stroking himself. He never touched me. It was to show me his superiority and me a mere nothing. The names he called me were sexual and derogatory. He never wanted to touch me. Because I was a nothing. Such was his jealousy of me. And such was the misogyny in our household. My mother was in the house. She really didn’t do anything at all about this. Never told my dad. My dad was violent to my brother when he was about 7 and hit him so hard and bruised him that she’d clearly vowed never to tell him anything again. So that was it. Me on my own… because my brother was controlling and violent with me. And she didn’t stop it.

DriftDaisy · 07/02/2025 06:58

It’s like an awful lot of men are so driven by sex that this becomes more important than basic morality. Women don’t do this - or at least - not to the extent that men do.
When crimes are committed, people look for factors e.g the far right are (wrongly) blaming race. Why do people never, ever address the fact that the overwhelming majority of crimes have one common factor? They are committed by men.

Aftergloww · 07/02/2025 07:02

Never with my father thankfully but there have been 1 or 2 family members that I heavily disliked because they creeped me out as a child. One of them I actually told my mother but she dismissed it.

I still recoil when we bump into him (very rarely as it’s back in my hometown fortunately).

Squigglesandgiggles · 07/02/2025 07:06

ImAChangeling · 06/02/2025 23:49

Those of you who have had this happen, have any of you reported it to the police? I would do it but I’m not sure what would be done without proof of an offence. It would be my word against his.

I did this was 2005 they took him in for questioning and then that was it I never heard anything again. When he saw me he used to ask me why I did that to him, he even made a sob story and told the locals I was crazy.
I ran away and moved out of the area.

Airfilter · 07/02/2025 07:16

saraclara · 06/02/2025 22:18

Why was the other thread deleted?

Possibly outing. Timescale. Place. Etc.

Hoping all goes well for the OP and her daughter.

WeAreOnTheRoadToNowhere · 07/02/2025 07:20

Happyinarcon · 07/02/2025 02:56

There's been a few debates on mn about whether men should work in nurseries, and usually posters pile in to say that it's completely unreasonable to have concerns about this. However, after reading this thread, I'm not so sure...

@MidnightMeltdown Those posters tend to be chatbot responses, same as all the ones insisting they loved having a male midwife

I was going to bring that thread up too. It was depressing that the general feeling was that men were fine working in nurseries. What if a nursery became all men?
I don't want men providing care for women either, there is too much abuse. I work with several care agencies (indirectly) there are men in all of them and one has a majority men. The only one I like provides same sex care for men and women

Guineapiggywiggy · 07/02/2025 07:20

MrsMust · 07/02/2025 02:52

I had a cousin (on my dad's side of the family) around the same age as me, she was an only child and I was forced to go to her house most Fridays after school. Her dad always always made me feel uncomfortable and I hated going to their house without my parents. Most women in the family said he was creepy and my maternal aunts said when my mum first got married he somehow wound up with one of their knickers and came to give it to them, walked in on one of them changing... With me, he would usually feel my bra strap up when we would greet each other or kiss me on the cheek, brushing my lips. As a teenager I would tell my mum and paternal aunts these things nd they'd say how he wasn't a very nice man and to stay away from him... The fact that even after knowing that my mum would allow me to go to theirs alone really upsets me and I feel sorry for my younger self. I can't reconcile why/how she allowed it. My memory of times with them is patchy at best (which I find strange... Do most people not really remember what life at 16/17 was like? Or maybe life was so mundane, there isn't much for me to remember) and I really hope I am not repressing anything.

I don’t really remember clearly, it’s a long time ago. I was fortunate that nothing ever happened to me, I’m not repressing anything. X

Guineapiggywiggy · 07/02/2025 07:22

WeAreOnTheRoadToNowhere · 07/02/2025 07:20

I was going to bring that thread up too. It was depressing that the general feeling was that men were fine working in nurseries. What if a nursery became all men?
I don't want men providing care for women either, there is too much abuse. I work with several care agencies (indirectly) there are men in all of them and one has a majority men. The only one I like provides same sex care for men and women

I had a male midwife and didn’t really care, but I must admit I think it’s weird. My birth was so awful, he was the only person doing the right thing - panicking!

bertiebump · 07/02/2025 07:30

Male here, my dad used to be like this with my older sister, it completely repulses me to see how many folks on here have experienced this kind of abuse, I feel sickened and ashamed to be male. My dd is soon 20, I love her to bits, we have a really close relationship and do lots together but the thought of anything along these lines sickens me, and if someone treated my DD in any way like this they would feel my full wrath.

Grumpyoldthing · 07/02/2025 07:41

Honestly this thread is completely eye opening.

how can it be that this despicable behaviour is so common?

Imagine the impact it would have if you all went on mass to report it!

stop the dirty buggers hiding behind closed doors

PregnancyHormonesss · 07/02/2025 07:42

So if similar thing happened when you are maybe 10, maybe 12, with a 6 yrs old cousin, watching, touching etc…is the girl a victim of a boy who was also so young?

lifesrichpageant · 07/02/2025 07:46

OP it's sadly very common. And so many women spend their lives either suffocating under layers of denial or else blaming themselves or thinking there's something wrong with them. We have this in our family (not perpetrated on me but on a close relative) and for years we didn't believe her. Ugh. Makes my blood boil just thinking about it now. It is absolutely abuse and right out of the abusers playbook.

mnreader · 07/02/2025 07:51

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MyDeftDuck · 07/02/2025 07:53

I never told anyone because I was afraid I wouldn't be believed, that they would call me a liar, that they would believe a trusted 'family' member' over me. Even if I had found the strength to tell how could I describe what he was doing - I know it hurt and felt wrong but I was three years old when it started.......he was over sixty. Looking back, the abuse probably went on for 4years. Did he abuse my siblings?.......I don't know and I cannot ask, I simply bury it all.

ConstanceM · 07/02/2025 07:53

PickyTits · 07/02/2025 06:06

I had it happen to me as a child too, "stepfather" spying on me in the bathroom as well as opening his legs to expose himself to me when wearing just a dressing gown. I didn't tell my mum, but I did tell someone else who confronted him. She kicked me out because of it when I was 17 years old. I haven't reported him but thinking maybe I will.

A close friend of mine suffered a lot of abuse from her father. Another one had her father masturbate infront of her. Neither reported their abuse.

I did recently report a different man who was sexually inappropriate with me at when I was a child because he made himself present in my life again, after all this time, in a very uncomfortable and threatening way. I didn't make an official complaint but I did ask that the police make note of it should anything else happen and they have said if anyone else comes forward they will contact me. They're also making a report to social services as he has children.

If I were to report every incident to the police then there would be at least 6 men off the top of my head. Only one of them was when I was over the age of 16. I am considering doing so, imagine if all of us on this thread and beyond came forward? I know not every one of them would be convicted of something but it does make me wonder if it would be enough for people to start opening their eyes as to how frequent this is. Statistics are shockingly high but I fear it doesn't even come close to half of what goes on.

This is makes such grim reading. I'm so sorry for everything you've had to endure, this was not normal behaviour for any man. Each were deviant perverts you came across and I wish you hadn't. You and many others should've been protected from these monsters at any age, especially when so young. Well done for being brave enough to contact the Police as one of them returned into your life. You're right there could be a tsunami of historic accusations and there should be a place where you can register your concerns about anyone who violated you in life. Let's hope they rot on hell.

BilboBlaggin · 07/02/2025 08:00

I was lucky in one way as my father was a wonderful man. I even remember him telling us once that when he commuted in the 70s and 80s, when we had those old trains with the little single compartments, if he was sitting in one alone, and a woman got in at another stop, he would get out and move to another carriage as he never wanted a woman to feel uncomfortable.

For me it was firstly my older brother. As a child he would touch me down below, or sometimes simulate sex with me. I never spoke up as my mum treated his as the golden child and I didn't think I'd be believed.

We also had a pervy next door neighbour who used to watch me in our garden from his upstairs window. His adult son was as bad. They had a decorating business and when I was around 12 they were decorating a neighbours house (house was empty). Me and brother were in the house doing silly little jobs for the adult son decorator (sweeping up, cutting grass etc). Brother went back home for some reason and the son was chasing me round the room (in a somewhat playful nature). When he caught me he held me with my back to him and had my arms pinned behind me and put my hands down his shorts. Just as I was breaking away from him my dad burst in as he'd felt uneasy about me being there with him. I ran home and don't know for sure what went on but I know we didn't speak to those neighbours for years after.

MotherOfUnicorns4 · 07/02/2025 08:03

My step dad got weird with me when I turned 15. He would make excuses to come into my bedroom to talk to me and hug me while I was in bed. He’d also make comments about bruises on my legs on my upper thighs and run his hands over them. My mother worked nights and I became scared to be at home with him alone so started drinking heavily and stayed out as much as I possibly could.
It’s not only men that do sick things. When I was 7, my mother and I stayed at one of her many boyfriends house. I shared a bed with his 17 year old daughter for a week. The things she did to me during that time caused a hell of a lot of confusion for me and my sexuality for a very long time. It took EMDR therapy for me to realise I wasn’t dirty soiled goods. My inner child wishes she’d been protected more.

Surf2Live · 07/02/2025 08:06

The older I get and the more I see of the world, the more I think we need a matriarchy. Seriously. And yet, the two most important people in my life are good men, my husband and son. I find it all so hard to reconcile.

Aged 13 my stepfather would come into the bathroom to brush his teeth when my sister (a few years younger) and I were in the shower. The shower curtain did not cover the full shower and he'd get a good perve.

One day he felt me up and I told my mum. She took us to one counselling session (for her counselling is the only answer) and then brushed it under the rug. I had to go through puberty with that man in my home. It's horrible to develop into a woman with a pervy step father in your home, it never feels safe.

That bitch also took my sister and I to live in a commune with pedophiles about the same time. Pedophiles did what pedophiles do. To this day she says she didn't know it was wrong (!)

I had an uncle in the police who found out what was happening to me there. He told my aunt that he could not do anything without permission from my mother to interview me which seems absurd. So police knew, and did nothing!

I've had nothing to do with her now for many years and may Karma see she dies alone.

Sadly abuse of women and children by men is so common. But when we name it as a violence / abuse by men problem, the not-all-men brigade slam on it so damn hard.

Recently I saw a comment by a woman who works in men's mental health. She said when she does this work or advocates for it she get no pushback from women crying "but what about women's mental health?" but everytime she brings up violence against women and children it's ALWAYS "but what about the men?".

If we can't damn well name the problem, male violence and abuse, then we will never be able to find solutions.

The Gisele Pelicot case, the website her husband used and the many other victims like Gisele out there, the case of the Telegram chat with 70,000 men sharing tips on how to abuse and rape, the ongoing rape gangs operating in the UK, the rising rate of rape in Sweden and other European countries... the common theme is all male violence against women and children.

The difference today is the internet gives women spaces like this wonderful MumsNet where we can all talk together and share stories and ideas, in a way that was not possible prior to the internet. I increasingly wonder if this ability to communicate together could be the catalyst that may bring change?

Yet it's also the internet that drives increasingly violent online pornography, and men will defend their right to view it. I believe that unlimited 24/7 access to online porn by boys and men is a massive global experiment that we can't seem to discuss, and it's not ending well for women and girls. Next will be AI powered robots that these men will use to abuse and degrade, practicing the literal objectification of women. I despair, really I do.

Hwi · 07/02/2025 08:06

JadedVeryJaded · 06/02/2025 22:28

This is why a good mother who’s single NEVER moves a man into the home she shares with her DC.

Keep non biological men very far away from your children. PLEASE.

Bravo, bravo, bravo! In the past, when there was no social support, women could not work and earn, widows simply had to re-marry for economic reasons, i,e, not to die of hunger, but nowadays there is no justification for brining non-related males into a home with children. And all that nonsense they spout - 'children adapt easily', 'my husband does not differentiate between my child and our joint child', is just nonsense.

IfYouLook · 07/02/2025 08:11

Christ almighty. This thread makes me feel so angry as a woman and as a mother of daughters.

Not only can we not walk or run alone at night. Be constantly on our guard as we move around the world, hands tightening on keys, ready to shout or cross the street. Never mind as adult women in relationships with men in our own homes or god forbid if we want to end the relationship.

But so many of us were unsafe as children in the place where we should have been safest of all and unharmed and untouched. To everyone who experienced harm as a child I am so so sorry.

I experienced my own memory that has always stayed with me of my own dad washing my sisters and I’s genitals with a facecloth that has always given me an uneasy feeling. And a huge amount of porn mags in the house that I was exposed to as a young child. So minor conpared to what others have endured but I still feel a lot of shame.

Hwi · 07/02/2025 08:12

I don't know if this is a peculiarly English thing, but semi-autobiographical literature is full of it, especially in upper class households, e.g. Mary Wesley 'The Camomile Lawn' depicts a habitually pervy uncle, as does Nancy Mitford's 'Love in a cold climate', where girls referred to a household guest as a 'Lecherous lecturer'. The attitude of the girls in these books always amazed me - they seem to accept it, it is a given to them, they take it for granted, without disgust or shock, they simply think it is tedious. This shocked me when I read the books, not being English or upper class, I had no idea this was possible and at first thought it was made up.

CucumberBagel · 07/02/2025 08:21

Too late, but I'd be careful sharing our stories, there will be plenty of perverted men reading the detail in this thread with one hand down their trousers.

DaisyChain505 · 07/02/2025 08:22

I have been lucky to never have experienced something on the levels I am reading here but I am in awe of you all.

Your bravery, honesty, vulnerability and power to continue to try and live past all of these experiences is amazing.

The best revenge is a life well lived.

I wish you all peace.

margeyoursoakinginit · 07/02/2025 08:24

JadedVeryJaded · 06/02/2025 22:28

This is why a good mother who’s single NEVER moves a man into the home she shares with her DC.

Keep non biological men very far away from your children. PLEASE.

I think that's a bit extreme. My 2nd has looked after my oldest since he was 9 and yougest was 4.