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Dad hanging round outside bathroom *MNHQ Content warning for abuse*

387 replies

Househunter2025 · 06/02/2025 20:55

I was reading a thread that just got deleted and it's really made me think.

When I was a teenager my dad used to hang around outside the bathroom and my bedroom - I always found it really creepy but nothing else ever happened so I didn't really think it was abusive behaviour - but I always found it really creepy and couldn't stand being near him or alone with him. Never mentioned it to anyone before.

In my 40s now and it still bothers me. I'm hyper aware of my kids dad or other males on the family doing anything to them and it feels beyond all proportion. I don't think other parents have this fear.

A couple of posters on the other thread said they had experienced similar and I was about to reply but then it was deleted.

Don't know what I want from this thread really. I wouldn't mention anything to family - parents are elderly. I don't have sisters. Just want to come to terms with it and put it in perspective I guess.

OP posts:
Wonderi · 07/02/2025 13:16

Knocknockt · 07/02/2025 11:34

It’s seems many men remove or do
not allow locks on bathroom doors. This is clearly to provide free access to the bathroom.

I’ve not read all of the responses but I can’t imagine allowing my partner to ever remove/not allow a lock on the door.

I would tell him that my DD (and myself) can spend as much time in the bathroom as we want and we have the right to privacy.

I can’t imagine these women were so naive, unless because it had never happened to them then they were naive about it.

I wonder if they knew what was going on but allowed it out of fear or because they thought it was normal.

northernlight20 · 07/02/2025 13:19

Liveandletlive18 · 07/02/2025 11:10

OP, are you certain this was some type of abuse. There is a possibility he was checking up on you & listening to see if you were up to no good,eg smoking, drinking,drugs etc. There are teenagers who smoke/drink in the bathroom or bedroom with the window open & use perfume or airfresheners to disguise the smell. It's just a thought but given you mentioned nothing else happened I wouldn't be too quick to jump on abuse although only you know exactly what was going on.

Im guessing you'd be one of the mums who would brush abuse under the carpet, you are disgusting for trying to gaslight the op.

Wonderi · 07/02/2025 13:21

Doggymummar · 07/02/2025 09:15

I've read a lot of the thread, but not all, I was raped at 12 by a group of boys in the village. This was the start of it and they obviously talked about it and I had a reputation for being easy. This led to bullying from the girls and more rape and assaults from the boys. I was about 15 and had a boyfriend, we were caught in bed together, fully clothed and just cuddling. It was the day of the crush at Hillsborough and my boyfriend and his brother had been there. His mum ordered us out of bed and downstairs. He went off in a strop and I was left with her and her boyfriend. They proceeded to get me drunk and I think they might have drugged me. I still have flashbacks as they both had sex with me. They took me home later in a right state and told my parents we were caught drunk and in bed together. I was grounded.

I left home after that. Put myself into care and was moved into a group home. It got worse. So, just we aware it's not always men. Women are abusers too. I have CPTSD because of all the abuse and attacks over the years and have every sympathy with each of your stories.

I would report this 💔

It is never too late.

You may not get the result you want but you may regret not doing it if you leave it too late.

MadmansLibrary · 07/02/2025 13:29

@Liveandletlive18 You don't get to tell the OP what was and wasn't abuse. This is her lived experience. How fucking dare anyone minimise it.

Judgejudysno1fan · 07/02/2025 13:40

FancySwan · 07/02/2025 08:38

This happened to me too back in the 70’s/80’s. My mum worked with this man’s wife and she had an affair with him. She left my dad for him but she knew what he was like because his first wife told my mum that he had groomed a 14 year old and got her pregnant! Mum didn’t tell me or my sister about this for years afterwards. It was kept secret and mum ignored it.

I lived with him and mum and he liked to tickle me so he could grope me and I wasn’t allowed to lock the bathroom door when I was in the bath just in case something happened. I was about 12/13! Mum just went along with it and didn’t protect me and couldn’t understand why I didn’t like him! She also caught him looking through the keyhole of my door watching me get ready for school. He also wanted to take topless photos of me and once asked me and my sister to get into bed with him ‘for a cuddle’ when mum was in hospital. Loads more happened over the years and he liked cuddling my female relatives but they all felt very uncomfortable but mum said nothing! I’m still very angry at her for not protecting me and my sister when she knew what he was like before she ran off with him. His first wife even warned her he was a paedophile! He was never reported and got away with it. These stories are very sad to read and it happened to too many of us.

I hope he's dead now burning in hell

lifeonmars100 · 07/02/2025 13:41

this thread has really helped me feel less alone and more accepting of the way I feel about the things that have happened to me. I always repressed/played it down, even used to tell myself "well my dad wasn't like Fred West so it is nothing to get upset about" and this is part of abuse isn't it?, the way even victims can minimise it because this is what wider society often does. I only recently told a good friend, we have know each other for decades. She did that really healing thing of just listening in silence, and then said she had always sensed that I was troubled on a deep level and thanked me for trusting her with my story. She is a wonderful friend!

MidnightMeltdown · 07/02/2025 13:44

@WeAreOnTheRoadToNowhere

Agree. I don't think that men should be working in nurseries or providing personal care to woman.

I know that there would be a huge backlash from people saying that you can't tar all men with the same brush, but these are the same sort of people who would think that it's ok to an XL Bully when you've got young children - because this one's 'friendly'.

How about let's not wait to see if mauls your child to death in order to test that theory. Some risks just aren't worth taking.

tellitonthemountains · 07/02/2025 13:48

A friend’s dad always used to go on to us every time I stayed over about how wearing knickers in bed is dirty. Many other friends who stayed over reported the same thing. Always wondered what the f that was about and thought it was creepy at the time (as an 8/9 year old). Hope they were ok.

Sorry you had that experience OP, sounds really unsettling.

Househunter2025 · 07/02/2025 14:07

Liveandletlive18 · 07/02/2025 11:10

OP, are you certain this was some type of abuse. There is a possibility he was checking up on you & listening to see if you were up to no good,eg smoking, drinking,drugs etc. There are teenagers who smoke/drink in the bathroom or bedroom with the window open & use perfume or airfresheners to disguise the smell. It's just a thought but given you mentioned nothing else happened I wouldn't be too quick to jump on abuse although only you know exactly what was going on.

There was absolutely no chance I was smoking or doing drugs during my evening bath, no. I was a very boring teenager - well behaved and hard working.

My excuse at the time for him was that he was looking at books on the landing bookcase - seems unlikely though really.

I don't know it was abuse but there was just a constant creepy feeling of being watched.

OP posts:
Shireswoman · 07/02/2025 14:12

I was on the other thread.
The op has made a comment about a financial matter and was advised to take it down. It could have been used against her in a divorce.

I was abused by my half brother. I told my older sister, she called me a liar. I'm NC with her. I never told my mum or dad. I've kept my DD away from him. I'd do the same with any female child. Sometimes I wonder if I imagined it.
I've only ever told my closest friend. She wouldn't trust him either and she has a lot of experience of crooks and perverts.
However plenty of friends have told me their stories. It's fucked up their lives. My DD tells me of her friend's experiences, I've taken those kids in.

PizzaPowder · 07/02/2025 14:22

This thread is horrific. I am so sorry this happened to all of you.

There is history of abuse in my family. The father was abusing his daughter and got her pregnant. The mother brought the child up as her own. I mean, what the fuck?

All the older children moved away pretty swiftly as soon as they could so i'm pretty sure that daughter wasn't the only one who got abused.

Absolutely heartbreaking.

mumof1x99 · 07/02/2025 14:23

JadedVeryJaded · 06/02/2025 22:28

This is why a good mother who’s single NEVER moves a man into the home she shares with her DC.

Keep non biological men very far away from your children. PLEASE.

So every step family / blended family means the mother is a bad mother Confused

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 07/02/2025 14:42

ChappRo · 07/02/2025 11:51

It's awful to even contemplate but please be careful sharing experiences on this thread.

I can guarantee there are evil minded men reading it for nefarious purposes :(

You are correct however women should not be silenced. If a man is reading this and is getting turned on by stories of childhood abuse then let it be the revelation they need that they are disgusting and let them live with that.

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 07/02/2025 14:43

mumof1x99 · 07/02/2025 14:23

So every step family / blended family means the mother is a bad mother Confused

I’m not a fan of blended families. Some work, the majority sideline the happiness of the children for the happiness of the adults.

mumof1x99 · 07/02/2025 14:46

I just don't think you can say a woman is a bad mother for marrying another man and allowing that man into her child's life. My dad died when I was very young and the man who raised me (my step father) was absolutely amazing, as was my mother. Ironically, I was SA'd by my own UNCLE. Biological men can be even worse.

ContactNightmare · 07/02/2025 14:47

Blended families are a greater statistical risk for sexual abuse of children or the death of a child. The step parent can be a mother or father, but it's more dangerous for a child to live with an unrelated adult.

Crikeyalmighty · 07/02/2025 14:51

I do think it rather unfair to go on about step relatives- some of whom are fabulous -- a great many cases involve blood relatives- - and friends of parents- you can't tar all non blood relatives with the same brush -

Dappy777 · 07/02/2025 15:22

My god this thread is shocking. I never dreamed it was so common for biological relatives to grope and abuse women. The number of posts about biological brothers and fathers has staggered me. I knew sexual abuse was common, and I knew it was under-reported (to put it mildly). I have known at least five women who were sexually abused but never told anyone, so God knows what the real figure must be. I should think one in three women experience some form of sexual assault before adulthood. But if abuse by strangers is under-reported, imagine how under-reported abuse by biological fathers and brothers must be!! I should think that for every one convicted there must be 30 or 40 who take their secret to the grave.

I am sitting here having dark thoughts about grandfathers and uncles and other relatives. I never experienced such a thing myself, but I'm now wondering whether men I've respected and loved did dark and shameful things.

LivelyHare · 07/02/2025 15:29

God I hate men.

thestudio · 07/02/2025 15:30

Liveandletlive18 · 07/02/2025 11:10

OP, are you certain this was some type of abuse. There is a possibility he was checking up on you & listening to see if you were up to no good,eg smoking, drinking,drugs etc. There are teenagers who smoke/drink in the bathroom or bedroom with the window open & use perfume or airfresheners to disguise the smell. It's just a thought but given you mentioned nothing else happened I wouldn't be too quick to jump on abuse although only you know exactly what was going on.

Have you read the thread? Can you please ask yourself WHY, when so many of us are reporting stuff like this, you would try so hard to find another reason for the father's behaviour?

It's people like you who make things doubly awful for people who experienced SA or predatory adults as children by basically accusing them of making it up.

Shame on you.

thestudio · 07/02/2025 15:33

I know I was being watched because once during a terrible argument my father told me to 'go upstairs and play with yourself like you usually do'.

Actually, I don't know for sure I was being watched. He might have just been fantasising about it I guess.

Is that any better @Liveandletlive18 ?

blackbirdsingingoutside · 07/02/2025 15:40

2 of my Uncles were fucking creeps that couldn't keep their hands to themselves. I can't even have DH reach for me without flinching. I hate them both.

blackbirdsingingoutside · 07/02/2025 15:41

mumof1x99 · 07/02/2025 14:46

I just don't think you can say a woman is a bad mother for marrying another man and allowing that man into her child's life. My dad died when I was very young and the man who raised me (my step father) was absolutely amazing, as was my mother. Ironically, I was SA'd by my own UNCLE. Biological men can be even worse.

Same here, was the uncles in my family.

Apigcalledsue · 07/02/2025 15:46

This is horrific. My dad was absolutely lovely. I miss him.
but growing up n the 70s it was so accepted. Perv in the village shop
just accepted

Dappy777 · 07/02/2025 15:47

Simbathecat · 07/02/2025 10:41

I am a long-time lurker but this post has really resonated with me.

Things that others have described happened to me with my own step-father who came into our lives when I was about 4yrs. No lock on the bathroom door, he would join me in the shower/ bath, make me come into his bed after my shower for a "cuddle", come into my room/ bed at night for a "cuddle". My Mum worked night shift. Lots of other really inappropriate stuff, too much to think of right now. Some of this would actually be done in front of my Mum too so always seemed like it was acceptable. I left home at 19yrs.

From my memory nothing actually physical ever happened but this has stayed with me all of my life. I was very promiscuous right into my 30s and frequently allowed myself to get into dangerous situations. Last year I was experiencing lots of intrusive thoughts and flash backs (thank you peri-menopause?!) and now on sertraline and feel much calmer.

I've always felt that what happened at home wasn't "bad" enough for me to complain about and there were far worse things that could have happened. This post has made me understand it was abuse and it was wrong.

I knew a girl who was abused by her stepbrother. She later became very promiscuous (going to sex parties, that kind of thing). It always seemed very odd to me. Then one day she told me about the abuse and added "I've often wondered if that's why I'm like I am and why I can't settle and be with one man and have a family." Years later, I read that children who are abused and have been 'sexualised' (I think that's the word they use) often become promiscuous and even reckless in later life. Sad thing was I never felt my friend really enjoyed all that promiscuity. I think she'd rather have had a loving relationship and a family of her own. Yet another life ruined. The boy who did it moved abroad, married and posts photos of his happy, loving family smiling in the sun. It enrages me the way these bastards get away with it. This is why I always think women should expose them. Even if there is no chance of prosecution, the men should be forced to admit what they did and not trivialize it.

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