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AIBU to think that most relationships will end with an OVERLAP with a new relationship.

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morningpaper · 06/05/2008 21:47

I don't get this thing on MN whereby married people are expected to end marriages before embarking on other relationships.

This idea of people (except you always mean 'woman' ) being "slappers" if they enter relationships with married people makes me think lots of you have very little understanding of how relationships work.

  • To be blunt, I would be FAR more upset if DH left me for a lonely life as a single person in a bedsit than for a new relationship. I think the former is FAR more insulting. I have a close friend whose husband did this and it was MORTIFYING every time people said "Oh darlng, was there someone else?" and she had to say "No" (unspoken message: 'I am just too horrific to live with').
  • People need support when they end relationships - and that support often comes from a new relationship.
  • If people ended every marriage at the first sniff of new romance, or at the first feelings of dissatisfaction, then none of our relationships would last more than a year or two! It is often a new relationship that gives people the impetus to re-evaluate their lives.
  • Most relationships become very "stale" after a certain amount of time - society tells us we must WORK at our relationships after the desire has gone, but WHY? Why not just accept that our partners or ourselves might be MORE happy in a new relationships - we have changed and grown, after all.

I have several friends in relationships with married people - and I expect a lot of you do, too, but they probably don't tell you because you are so HORRIFIED at the idea. Such relationships generally end in a lot of DESPAIR but they are part of life.

When you talk about "ending relationships before starting new ones" it sounds to me just like people who talk about not having sex before marriage - a great ideal (perhaps), but not realistic for 99% of people.

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morningpaper · 07/05/2008 15:46

Well I would have to word with him Dittany, but he can be quite a charmer, he isn't particularly seedy.

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dittany · 07/05/2008 15:48

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morningpaper · 07/05/2008 15:49

What would I think about DH propositioning other women, is that the question? What do you think I would think? That situation is not permitted in our current arrangement. I would be jolly annoyed.

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morningpaper · 07/05/2008 16:09

I think it's possible to be in a romantic relationship with a married man, without being the person married to that man. I've had romantic relationships with married men. Do you think all affairs are purely about sex?

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dittany · 07/05/2008 16:18

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morningpaper · 07/05/2008 16:24

Whre did I say that Dittany?

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pagwatch · 07/05/2008 16:25

I am odd then.
i couldn't be with a man who I knew was lying about being with me and decieving some other person and find that time together 'romantic'.
I associate romance with love and love and deceit do not mix in my book.
I could be with a married man and find it exciting/forbidden/etc were I that way inclined I suppose - but romantic doesn't sit in that situation for me.

morningpaper · 07/05/2008 16:25

yes of course I think it's possible for DH to have a romantic relationship while he's still married to me, just as I think it's possible for me to have a romantic relationship with someone else while I'm still married to him. I would be in a lot of trouble though.

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morningpaper · 07/05/2008 16:27

Why are ALLLLLL these examples about married MEN AGAIN

Let's put it the other way round

Can you possibly conceive of falling in love with anyone else ever again, while married? (I am not actually going to believe anyone who says 'no', although I QUITE sure lots of you will say exactly that)

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Alexa808 · 07/05/2008 16:29

It's neither nor.

I could find a lot of words for such proposals but seedy wouldn't spring to mind. Religious education sprang to mind because seedy is normally associated with the stuff Max Moseley did or the latest Tory to succumb to 'earthly pleasures'.

It's not really sleazy or squalid...I think there are better words to describe the moral wrongdoings of those guys rather than use seedy.

Full of seed is a good one though.

dittany · 07/05/2008 16:30

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pagwatch · 07/05/2008 16:30

mp
that pretty childish isn't it? I won't believe you whatever you say?

FWIW whilst I can't easily imagine it i am sure that it would be possible for me to fall inb love with someone else whilst married.
What i can say with certainty though is that I would not have sex with another person whilst still married ( ie I would not be unfaithful - not i would wait until the moment the divorce papers were signed before leaping on him in a desperate and slightly scary way)

Alexa808 · 07/05/2008 16:32

This thread has turned into the same old mush as the other one on sl*ppers...

dittany · 07/05/2008 16:33

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pagwatch · 07/05/2008 16:34

I don't think its mush. I think MP started an interesting thread and i'm finding most comments really interesting.
But then I never read the slappers thread because I didn't like the premis

Kewcumber · 07/05/2008 16:35

there's a mushy thread on slippers? Why is that relevant here?

AnneMayesR · 07/05/2008 16:35

I cannot believe that people cannot exert more self control. You can control your feelings, who you fall in love with, and you can control when you start relationships. Causing despair because you cannot control yourself with these things is sad. Are we all dumb apes or something?

Surely if this married man (or woman) that you love so much blah blah blah is your destiny and your soul mate and you are so fated to be together ..............then you can certainly hang on and stop yourselves from starting a relationship until his divorce is settled and his kids are healing.

Kids need parents who will stay together and who both want to work through their problems...not a broken family because one parent looks for someone better at the first sign of trouble/boredom/irritation. Granted some marriages will be damaged and break down no matter how much effort is put in...but the family unit should not be a transient thing.

Having step parents and/or having to deal with mum or dad's new boyfriend or girlfriend is a pain in the ass that most kids do not need. It sucks.

Kewcumber · 07/05/2008 16:36

ah, slippers.

I hate it when people use bloody 's just say what you mean for the benefit of the sleep deprived.

Kewcumber · 07/05/2008 16:36

slappers

Alexa808 · 07/05/2008 16:37

Oh, okay dittany, yes I thought it was about the sex.

Totally understand the disgust about betrayal and deceit.

pagwatch · 07/05/2008 16:39

kew mushy slippers are pretty seedy too though...

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Divastrop · 07/05/2008 16:41

falling in love with someone else while married is possible,yes,but falling in love with someone else while you are in love is not.i dont believe for a second it's possible to be in love with more than one person.

and in answer to the op(will have to catch up with the thread later),only pathetic cowards get into a relationship before first ending the one they are in.so yes.YABU.

Divastrop · 07/05/2008 16:44

'Having step parents and/or having to deal with mum or dad's new boyfriend or girlfriend is a pain in the ass that most kids do not need. It sucks. '

i thought this thread was about having affairs(or overlapping,which is what my sister used to call it as well)?that statement was out of order.

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