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AIBU to think that most relationships will end with an OVERLAP with a new relationship.

628 replies

morningpaper · 06/05/2008 21:47

I don't get this thing on MN whereby married people are expected to end marriages before embarking on other relationships.

This idea of people (except you always mean 'woman' ) being "slappers" if they enter relationships with married people makes me think lots of you have very little understanding of how relationships work.

  • To be blunt, I would be FAR more upset if DH left me for a lonely life as a single person in a bedsit than for a new relationship. I think the former is FAR more insulting. I have a close friend whose husband did this and it was MORTIFYING every time people said "Oh darlng, was there someone else?" and she had to say "No" (unspoken message: 'I am just too horrific to live with').
  • People need support when they end relationships - and that support often comes from a new relationship.
  • If people ended every marriage at the first sniff of new romance, or at the first feelings of dissatisfaction, then none of our relationships would last more than a year or two! It is often a new relationship that gives people the impetus to re-evaluate their lives.
  • Most relationships become very "stale" after a certain amount of time - society tells us we must WORK at our relationships after the desire has gone, but WHY? Why not just accept that our partners or ourselves might be MORE happy in a new relationships - we have changed and grown, after all.

I have several friends in relationships with married people - and I expect a lot of you do, too, but they probably don't tell you because you are so HORRIFIED at the idea. Such relationships generally end in a lot of DESPAIR but they are part of life.

When you talk about "ending relationships before starting new ones" it sounds to me just like people who talk about not having sex before marriage - a great ideal (perhaps), but not realistic for 99% of people.

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littlewoman · 06/05/2008 22:10

Yes, they very often do overlap. I can't say it's wrong or right, it is just that way, I suppose.

You are lucky you never understood the terror, though. I do now feel that if my new dp left me I would think 'Oh, well, plenty more fish in the sea'. But I do not have the emotional investment in this relationship that I had with my xh.

My terror was being left to raise 6 children on my own, not getting any emotional or financial support, nor practical help to run a four bedroomed house. It is as hard as I was afraid of and has lead to a deterioration in my mental, physical and emotional health. I was right to be terrified.

Plus side is I no longer feel that terror because the worst thing I could imagine happening - that my best friend and helpmeet (x-gender emoticon) would leave me - has already happened. So what's left to fear?

YouNeverKnow · 06/05/2008 22:11

im very happy
we are broke were made bankrupt but still very happy with great sex lol

WideWebWitch · 06/05/2008 22:11

what do you mean about mn lack of self esteem? Is it people panicking about their dh's having affairs?

zippitippitoes · 06/05/2008 22:12

but you cant win

if you post you are happy it is smug

thank you for saying sympayhty i wasx with my exh for 23 years

eventually i got fed up with it

zippitippitoes · 06/05/2008 22:13

with trying to make him nice

YouNeverKnow · 06/05/2008 22:13

no one wants to read a thread full of happy stuff as its boring... imo

YouNeverKnow · 06/05/2008 22:14

think anyone would have 23 yrs long time!

hls · 06/05/2008 22:14

MP- I hope you have read my other posts on the Slapper thread- I got very little support- but thanks for the couple who did see my point!

Why didn't you support my posts, lol!!!

I think there is a lot of bitterness on this site at times- and so many people can't be objective- they discuss everything as to how it has affected them personally, rather than being able to take a more detached view.

I was thinking afterwards- most of the literature- plays/poetry/novels/films...would not exists if love always worked out smoothly- it's been going on since Sophocles day..so it's not going to change now!

and despite MNs wish for love to be "slapper-free" it just ain't how people operate!

morningpaper · 06/05/2008 22:15

Yes WWW - the obsessive terror of "the other woman" - it is surely about self-esteem?

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morningpaper · 06/05/2008 22:16

hls sorry I couldn't BEAR to bump a thread with such a nasty title!

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YouNeverKnow · 06/05/2008 22:16

my post was the last in the slapper thread

Tinker · 06/05/2008 22:17

I really cannot stand the word slapper. I hate women describing other women this way. And men describing them that way as well.

morningpaper · 06/05/2008 22:17

and that is true HLS about grat art - it's all about people's tangled lives - I hvae started reading novels lately and thinking 'GOD this would get people with PITCHFORKS on MN!'

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zippitippitoes · 06/05/2008 22:17

i think life is complicated

morningpaper · 06/05/2008 22:18

I agree zippi and I'm sorry that you had all that crap

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Twiglett · 06/05/2008 22:18

agree with WWW on what is a good relationship .. mostly happy across a period of time that is self-determined.

And Carmenere .. Yes I'm afraid that I do think that it is dishonourable to start a relationship when in one. I do think for that point in time one is acting without honour .. I think that shrouds one for a good long while as being weak and dishonourable until one enters a new phase in life

littlewoman · 06/05/2008 22:19

Actually, I don't know that he was my best friend and x-gender helpmeet. Sometimes, sometimes not. It was cyclic, like all relationships. And if you meet someone else when a bad patch is rolling round, you're going to be susceptible. I know this. And the bad patch is both partners' fault, not just the straying one's fault.

It's still legitimate to be terrified of someone leaving you with all that work though, and justifiable if you moan when they've done it.

YouNeverKnow · 06/05/2008 22:19

lol at pitchforks

Tinker · 06/05/2008 22:19

It is complicated. Hence why teh 'you should leave a bad relationship first' just doesn't usually happen.

hls · 06/05/2008 22:19

thanks- but glad you started this thread as I was feeling pretty much a lone voice! Guess people like to vent their spleen rather than be objective and realistic.

morningpaper · 06/05/2008 22:21

that is true littlewoman, but surely a decent chap would not leave you with all the work? That is more a fear of him turning out to be a bit of a pig who gallivants off and ignores his respsonibilities?

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hls · 06/05/2008 22:21

MP- you should try Chaucer or Shakespeare- there's plenty in there! Incest, adultery, murder, just to name some! Never mind the ancient Greeks!

zippitippitoes · 06/05/2008 22:24

i will add as this is mn that i was the married with kids so i have left someone for a single no kids not that that is relevant he has since left me to fibnd someone to have kids with

tho he ande ds would love each other if they werent so po faced

and i did go thru crap

its not as easy as you think

walking away

wannaBe · 06/05/2008 22:27

have just posted on the other thread...

The idea that you should leave one relationship before embarking on another one is just a little too simplistic for me.

so you meet someone, fall in love with them, but decide that you need out of your marriage first before you can be together. So what do you tell the wife/husband? "I've fallen in love with someone else and I'm leaving you. But nothing has happened between us, I just want to end it with you before starting something with her." Is that going to make the betrayal, the hurt any less than if the wife/husband found out you'd been sleeping around on the side for 6 months before deciding to leave? Or do you just use some other reason to leave and then not embark on the new relationship for a time, until there's been a cooling off period? In which case you're still lying, still deceiving.

littlewoman · 06/05/2008 22:27

Have any of you been left by your husbands or wives, might I ask?