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Husband says he wants to “build something new together” after he was violent

114 replies

ShuffleShuffleSpin · 16/01/2025 14:25

It’s taken me years to admit to myself that I have not been in a good marriage at all. I came from a sheltered, Christian, conservative background and believed no sex before marriage was the most important thing, and I was not allowed to date until I finally left home in my 20s. I share all of this because it has taken me years to grow in understanding of what makes a healthy relationship and what compatibility even means.

I married my husband, and he shoved me once early in the marriage. I didn’t know much about DV back then, but I knew this was bad. I told him I would call police if he ever did that again. He then seemed to never do it again, so I thought it was in the past. He criticised me constantly after we were married. He also met up with another woman regularly and took her on outings after we were married. She acted like she was attracted to him, but he insists that it was not sexual on his side and that they never kissed or had sex. He also betrayed me constantly for many years by putting the demands of his mother and sister ahead of our marriage during times when a marriage or wife would have normally been prioritised. He let them plan his birthday (for example) and told me to follow their lead for multiple years even when I told him I was hurt and didn’t feel this was normal in a marriage. He put his single, childless sister first on Mother’s Day (doing what she wanted on the day) even though I had just given birth to our second child and clearly shared that I did not want to do the thing his sister wanted to do. He lied, manipulate, trampled, ignored.

I forgave, forgave, forgave because I thought that was the role of a Christian wife. I kept trying and kept praying.

finally, he had some scary acts of violence, including throwing a sharp object at me (when neither of us was even upset?!?!?) and other confusing acts such as throwing things at me front behind, and when I confronted him, he would say it was an accident until finally I knew it could not be an accident.

we have children and I have also been worried about the way he has treated them.

I finally called the DV hotline, then my GP, then social services and police. Apparently his level of risk is not high enough for me to be required to leave for protection of my children. But I want to anyway. I am still living at home with him and trying to save up to leave.

finally, when I tried to leave, he began to attend counselling for myself. I have seen some improvements. He is acting calmer. He says he wants to build something new. My pastor’s wife told me “men can change when they are confronted about their violence” and “look how good it is that he hasn’t thrown anything at you, or the thing he did throw (a drawer, a month or so ago) was not at you, what an improvement!”

All of that just makes me feel guilty for wanting to leave. But I am at the place where even if he DOES change, I feel that all of the effort and the long road it will take is asking too much of me. My body feels uncomfortable around him. I can’t let go of the fact that he lied and manipulated. Even if he really is ready to change and build something new, I feel like I DONT want to. And I feel like I should. As though, if I were a good person, I would do the right thing and keep trying in the marriage.

has anyone else been here?? I dread being a single mom and worry that my children will resent me. I am struggling with all the mixed messages.

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StormingNorman · 16/01/2025 14:28

Your husband and the pastor’s wife can fuck off. You and your children deserve better. Carry on with your plan to leave. Wishing you luck x

SilvieBear · 16/01/2025 14:32

I agree with @StormingNorman
I also suspect the only reason he’s attended counselling and has recently started acted calmer is because you tried to leave.
I would also continue with your original plan to leave. He has been abusive to you for a long time. It’s no wonder you don’t feel you can trust him.

nfkl · 16/01/2025 14:33

OP, I am so sorry you are being guilt tripped, I am so angry at your pastor’s wife

After all you have been through, you have more than earned the right to give up, to say it’s enough and not want to try again.

No is a full sentence, you don’t have to endlessly justify or sacrifice yourself.

i m so sorry it’s happening to you

EmeraldDreams73 · 16/01/2025 14:34

StormingNorman · 16/01/2025 14:28

Your husband and the pastor’s wife can fuck off. You and your children deserve better. Carry on with your plan to leave. Wishing you luck x

Absolutely this. How dare people condone violent thuggery because of religion and a wedding ring? Ugh. Of course you don't want to be anywhere near him.

OhMaria2 · 16/01/2025 14:35

He is pretending to change so he can maintain his current lifestyle.

TheTruthHurtsDontIt · 16/01/2025 14:36

Your pastors wife can fuck all the way off, not throwing shit at you is not applaudable.

He can build something new on his own where he belongs the horrible fucker.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 16/01/2025 14:36

Your relationship was actually over for good the first time he abused you. The only acceptable level of abuse in a relationship is none. Your children need to learn that lesson about relationships.

You were right in wanting to leave.

He will not change and this is really who he is - a violent man. He targeted you deliberately to abuse . Your sheltered childhood was also very attractive to him. No religion santions abuse as being acceptable within a relationship or marriage.

Are you in the U.K.?.

Push forward with your plans to divorce your abuser. Please ignore people like the pastors wife because she does not have your interests at heart . She is both an abuse apologist and naive.

Do not dread being a single mother- your children will thrive in a non violent home. They will harmed emotionally if you were to stay with him.

Communicate with him only through solicitor and get divorced asap.

SchrodingersTwat2 · 16/01/2025 14:38

You say that you "don't want to".

That is all that matters.

ShuffleShuffleSpin · 16/01/2025 14:39

SilvieBear · 16/01/2025 14:32

I agree with @StormingNorman
I also suspect the only reason he’s attended counselling and has recently started acted calmer is because you tried to leave.
I would also continue with your original plan to leave. He has been abusive to you for a long time. It’s no wonder you don’t feel you can trust him.

I can’t help but wonder this same thing. I hope he does change, of course, but I don’t want to stay with him. I hate the idea of breaking up our family. Some of the books I’ve read have helped to remind me that it’s his violence that broke the marriage and family, and that my divorcing him won’t be what actually makes it broken. I keep reminding myself of that. But I struggle with doubt when he seems like he is making improvements or acting humble and I worry about feeling shame and condemnation from some people (definitely not all) at church. I will most likely have to go to a different church.

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AttilaTheMeerkat · 16/01/2025 14:40

Who also told you that his level of risk is not high enough (?) for you to leave for protection of your children?

That person spoke bs as well. Please contact Womens Aid also and plan your exit with due care and attention. Seek legal advice re divorce asap.

everythingthelighttouches · 16/01/2025 14:42

we have children and I have also been worried about the way he has treated them.

Could you say a little bit more about this please @ShuffleShuffleSpin ?

ShuffleShuffleSpin · 16/01/2025 14:45

AttilaTheMeerkat · 16/01/2025 14:36

Your relationship was actually over for good the first time he abused you. The only acceptable level of abuse in a relationship is none. Your children need to learn that lesson about relationships.

You were right in wanting to leave.

He will not change and this is really who he is - a violent man. He targeted you deliberately to abuse . Your sheltered childhood was also very attractive to him. No religion santions abuse as being acceptable within a relationship or marriage.

Are you in the U.K.?.

Push forward with your plans to divorce your abuser. Please ignore people like the pastors wife because she does not have your interests at heart . She is both an abuse apologist and naive.

Do not dread being a single mother- your children will thrive in a non violent home. They will harmed emotionally if you were to stay with him.

Communicate with him only through solicitor and get divorced asap.

This is exactly what I need to hear and re-read.

I have a part time job and am trying to finish a postgraduate degree which will help me earn more but it’s been a huge juggle and has probably in all honesty slowed down my leaving process as well.

no matter how I do it, I think I will feel terrible guilt over leaving him. He sobbed on the phone when I tried last time, and another time he threatened suicide. When the kids misbehave or tell him they hate him, he will say “tell (our son) to kill me while I am asleep”. I find all of that really disturbing and I worry that his mental health isn’t completely stable. I can see that I am part of the problem because I am worried about him, and I need to just worry about myself and next steps.

I do live in the U.K.

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cordeliavorkosigan · 16/01/2025 14:45

Different church around like a good idea anyway, clearly the culture at this one is not playing a supportive or loving role in your life if they are pressuring you to stay with an abuser!
The fact that you don't want to is good enough, op. You can leave for any reason. You don't need his agreement or your church people's agreement. His abuse is likely to resume after you decide to stay, and you probably know that..
I hope you can use support on here and from friends.
Yes, it's his abuse that's breaking your marriage. Not your unwillingness to spend your life being abused!

everythingthelighttouches · 16/01/2025 14:45

I will most likely have to go to a different church.

I think you absolutely should go to a different church, as you need to sever ties with the pastor and his wife.

I’m so sorry because this makes everything many times more difficult, but they do not have your best interests at heart at all.

andIsaid · 16/01/2025 14:46

He may well change and become a better person.

But in order to do that he needs to be alone.

He pushed you to this point, knowing it could break you and the relationship; so basically he broke the relationship. He not only compromised you and your marriage, but also his own children and their future.

Now his self indulgence has backfired.

The children must come first. Both of you and the pastor know that.

He cannot be a good parent while he does the very hard and continuous work of improving himself. He needs to go and clean himself up. If he really wants the family he needs to find a way to come back AFTER he has left and done the work.

Your heart and soul needs to be focused on the children, and he needs to be unselfish and let that happen. The first test for his good intentions.

Nobody can say being a single parent is better or easier.

However, everyone can say that living without the tension of someone deliberately hurting you everyday, emotional or physically, is better for all concerned.

Your pastor is probably a decent person but will be working within the parameters of theology.

Your decision on the other hand needs to include theology with your emotional and physical well being, as well as your spiritual well being.

I wish you luck.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 16/01/2025 14:46

You have NOT broken up this family. HE has done that by abusing you as his children’s mother. Remember that the only acceptable level of abuse in a relationship is none.

A violent man is who he is, he just put on the nice man act just long enough to draw you in. Any apparent changes will never be kept up in the long run. Again it is an act designed to draw you back in.

Attend another church which is a bit more open minded. Pay no herd to abuse apologists like this pastors wife and should be ashamed. No religion says that domestic violence within a marriage is acceptable.

cordeliavorkosigan · 16/01/2025 14:48

They never actually mean the suicide threats. It's a control tactic and pretty textbook. Unfortunately there are many women in here who know this script. I hope you find some of their threads. But don't fall for it.

murasaki · 16/01/2025 14:49

You need to reframe your concept of a broken family as a better one for you and the children with him not in it. The pastor's wife is abhorrent in her views. He's merely playing the long game to keep you there, he won't change. You and the children deserve better than this. He is abusing you, and if you think the children don't know, you will be wrong, and it will affect them long term. Please leave for all your sakes.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 16/01/2025 14:50

Do not fall for his threats of suicide; this is just further manipulation/a control method on his part. If he does this again get the police to do a welfare check. He will soon stop.

everythingthelighttouches · 16/01/2025 14:51

Please read some of the threads on this relationships board.

You will quickly see that the threats of suicide are part of the standard playbook of an abuser at the point the person being abused resolves to leave.

It is so so common and a tactic used to retain control.

SpookyAllSeasons · 16/01/2025 14:54

I can relate to this on so many levels.

I was a Christian and decided to leave my husband. The church forbid me until finally I thought, fuck it! I left. It was truly the best thing I ever did.

We were together for 17 years. I should have left much sooner. He was never going to change, even after he was confronted. Old patterns would return because ultimately, you've stayed! He knows you're not going anywhere.

It's time to leave, OP! Keep planning and get out. You deserve so much better.

cestlavielife · 16/01/2025 14:54

Please speak to non religious d v advisor

JustWalkingTheDogs · 16/01/2025 14:59

The first response in this thread nailed it.

Men like this will of course cry, snot, beg and beg when you do eventually say you're leaving, the problem is, if you don't leave the 'new and improved him' won't last, so when you go to leave again he'll do the same.

Hold your nerve op and leave, he's a horrid abusive bully and no religion would ever say that violence or abuse is right - do right by your dc

ThisWormHasTurned · 16/01/2025 15:00

I was in an abusive marriage (emotional, not physical). I understand that pressure from the church. I thought I’d married a wonderful, Christian man. He was just playing a part. He’s like a different person now. He cried when I asked to separate. He started dating someone else 4 weeks later! So much for being heartbroken.
As a Christian, I recognise that it’s so difficult to leave a marriage, even if he is abusive. BUT this won’t get better. He cannot change. You should not have to accept this behaviour. God doesn’t want this for you. I am far happier than I ever could have imagined since I split from my XH and my DD is like a different kid - less anxiety, more confidence, less complaints about her health! Wasn’t always easy but 3 years down the line, honestly it was the best decision I could have made. You can walk away. You deserve so much better.

Haroldwilson · 16/01/2025 15:04

I think you're struggling with the Christian idea of fidelity and forgiveness versus your deep and intuitive sense that this is not a man to be around.

Follow your gut. Find another church. Let someone else forgive him and make something new with him, you've had enough. You're not obliged to sort him out. It's ok to prioritise your own needs and those of your children.

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