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Husband says he wants to “build something new together” after he was violent

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ShuffleShuffleSpin · 16/01/2025 14:25

It’s taken me years to admit to myself that I have not been in a good marriage at all. I came from a sheltered, Christian, conservative background and believed no sex before marriage was the most important thing, and I was not allowed to date until I finally left home in my 20s. I share all of this because it has taken me years to grow in understanding of what makes a healthy relationship and what compatibility even means.

I married my husband, and he shoved me once early in the marriage. I didn’t know much about DV back then, but I knew this was bad. I told him I would call police if he ever did that again. He then seemed to never do it again, so I thought it was in the past. He criticised me constantly after we were married. He also met up with another woman regularly and took her on outings after we were married. She acted like she was attracted to him, but he insists that it was not sexual on his side and that they never kissed or had sex. He also betrayed me constantly for many years by putting the demands of his mother and sister ahead of our marriage during times when a marriage or wife would have normally been prioritised. He let them plan his birthday (for example) and told me to follow their lead for multiple years even when I told him I was hurt and didn’t feel this was normal in a marriage. He put his single, childless sister first on Mother’s Day (doing what she wanted on the day) even though I had just given birth to our second child and clearly shared that I did not want to do the thing his sister wanted to do. He lied, manipulate, trampled, ignored.

I forgave, forgave, forgave because I thought that was the role of a Christian wife. I kept trying and kept praying.

finally, he had some scary acts of violence, including throwing a sharp object at me (when neither of us was even upset?!?!?) and other confusing acts such as throwing things at me front behind, and when I confronted him, he would say it was an accident until finally I knew it could not be an accident.

we have children and I have also been worried about the way he has treated them.

I finally called the DV hotline, then my GP, then social services and police. Apparently his level of risk is not high enough for me to be required to leave for protection of my children. But I want to anyway. I am still living at home with him and trying to save up to leave.

finally, when I tried to leave, he began to attend counselling for myself. I have seen some improvements. He is acting calmer. He says he wants to build something new. My pastor’s wife told me “men can change when they are confronted about their violence” and “look how good it is that he hasn’t thrown anything at you, or the thing he did throw (a drawer, a month or so ago) was not at you, what an improvement!”

All of that just makes me feel guilty for wanting to leave. But I am at the place where even if he DOES change, I feel that all of the effort and the long road it will take is asking too much of me. My body feels uncomfortable around him. I can’t let go of the fact that he lied and manipulated. Even if he really is ready to change and build something new, I feel like I DONT want to. And I feel like I should. As though, if I were a good person, I would do the right thing and keep trying in the marriage.

has anyone else been here?? I dread being a single mom and worry that my children will resent me. I am struggling with all the mixed messages.

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Winterskyfall · 17/01/2025 16:18

ShuffleShuffleSpin · 16/01/2025 14:45

This is exactly what I need to hear and re-read.

I have a part time job and am trying to finish a postgraduate degree which will help me earn more but it’s been a huge juggle and has probably in all honesty slowed down my leaving process as well.

no matter how I do it, I think I will feel terrible guilt over leaving him. He sobbed on the phone when I tried last time, and another time he threatened suicide. When the kids misbehave or tell him they hate him, he will say “tell (our son) to kill me while I am asleep”. I find all of that really disturbing and I worry that his mental health isn’t completely stable. I can see that I am part of the problem because I am worried about him, and I need to just worry about myself and next steps.

I do live in the U.K.

Threatening suicide is emotional blackmail. What he is saying to your kids to manipulate them will scar them for life. This is not someone you should stay with for the sake of your children.

mathanxiety · 17/01/2025 16:26

ShuffleShuffleSpin · 17/01/2025 10:35

Thank you all for all of it encouragement and recommended resources and even offering to communicate via DM. I very well may be in touch. Thank you to all who understand what I am going thru as a Christian and how theology can become twisted or misused. I really appreciate the affirmation that abuse breaks the marriage. I know my pastors wife might mean well (I keep saying pastor bc I was raised in USA but her husband is technically a vicar - sorry for using the wrong term!). I think she has handled it wrong, though. She told me to talk to her only and no one else - not even the women’s worker - and it’s made me feel trapped and cut off. I don’t want to cause drama in the church. I am going to seek support from some of the other churches in my area and Women’s Aid.

There are huge red flags in the words and approach of your vicar's wife.

I know the church and Christian culture are your comfort zone, but I'd be inclined to rely more on Women's Aid than any church staff member if I were you.

After all, you've already experienced the double whammy of abuse by your husband and this woman seeking to minimize and essentially DARVO you (deny, attack, reverse victim and offender) - and this from someone who technically, on paper, has been trained to understand abuse and give solid advice.

I personally received superb advice and pastoral care from my own parish priest (RC) when my own marriage ended, but it is an absolute crap shoot out there in church land. You might be lucky, but you might end up having guilt piled on you regardless of training, and the exhortation or the suggestion or the hint to forgive may well come sneaking in.

Not all churches will be a friend to you. Some will be a friend to the worthless piece of paper in the marriage register where you and your H signed your names when he promised to love and honor you. Women like the vicar's wife are not accountable to a professional body or bound by any serious code of conduct the way licensed therapists or even well trained volunteers are, and they often have a big conflict of interest to deal with - I have yet to come across a church that doesn't place great value on forgiveness.

ShuffleShuffleSpin · 17/01/2025 16:55

Stillanothernamechange · 17/01/2025 13:16

OP, sorry to comment without reading the whole thread but I too am a Christian raised in a very conservative environment and this: "She told me to talk to her only and no one else - not even the women’s worker" raises massive, massive safeguarding red flags for me. It is a completely inappropriate thing to have told you and I cannot imagine my own vicar's-wife mother (or my dad) EVER telling someone in your position not to talk to other people.

Sadly, I have also witnessed 'spiritual abuse' in UK very conservative evangelical circles - a prolific abuser that I know of is currently being prosecuted, after affecting dozens of victims over many decades. So I have learned to be cautious about this sort of thing.

FWIW, my approach to marriage vows is that you promised to 'love' your husband. You did not promise to allow him to abuse you and in fact, allowing a person to be abusive is not an act of love. My religious opinion is that showing true love to an abusive spouse involves preventing them from abusing you.

Thank you for your reply. I think she is trying to do damage control and trying to protect his reputation by having me only talk to her. I asked women in my Bible study (which I have since left due to my work schedule) for housing at one point and that is how the vicar’s wife learned of my situation. Two good friends have offered their homes to me, and I know I can go there in an emergency, but I have been trying to get myself into a financially decent position before leaving. Once I leave, I don’t know what he will do and I concluded that he might cut me off financially - and even if he would eventually be required to split assets with me in a divorce, that might take a long time. I already made one attempt at leaving and I want my second time to be successful. But yes, the vicars wife really confused me and made me feel quite guilty. I feel that bc of where she stands I can’t get help from church. I can probably go behind her back but I worry it will lead to drama and I’ve just decided to try and seek help elsewhere. She also told me I didn’t need to report things my husband had done. (I completely disagreed with her but she made me doubt myself). She was like “but what do you really want?” And when I told her I was not having sex with him out of respect for myself, she was like, “well won’t that be nice for you when I you can have sex with him again?” And acted like that was a weird thing or an inappropriate thing for me to do to stop having sex with him. She made me question myself. I know that other people at church (good friends) will be there for me no matter what, but I don’t feel I can get official help from church. The bit about her wanting me to talk only to her is what has basically made me feel trapped and shut down. I have still shared things with my good friends at church, but I don’t feel like I can go to the leadership anymore even though I think some of them would be supportive. I think she is just sympathetic to my husband and not to me.

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AcrossthePond55 · 17/01/2025 18:18

@ShuffleShuffleSpin

Your insight into your upbringing and your family's and your church's twisting of the true meaning of marriage is astounding! I truly applaud you, you have your feet firmly planted on the rock on which to build your new life.

You are right to seek your help from outside your church. Your pastor's wife's job appears to be to protect her husband and his church from harm at the expense of the vulnerable people who need help the most. And that is just sad. Sad and despicable.

I'm also glad that you're able to keep your Faith and make it 'true' to you. So many simply end up rejecting God when their church betrays them. Just keep remembering that no church is 'God'. God is within people, not institutions.

You'll get through this. You already have the tools you need. Now you just need to use them, slowly, carefully, and in your own time.

mathanxiety · 17/01/2025 18:55

https://www.gov.uk/divorce/what-happens-after-you-apply

Steps in the divorce process and the timeline.

If you are normally resident in the UK, the UK is your jurisdiction for the purposes of the divorce, even if you married elsewhere.

I'd strongly advise you to see a solicitor.

I strongly advise you to talk to your tutor or degree supervisor about a leave of absence while you get all of this sorted out.

You should certainly approach the pastoral care officers in your university for support or signposting toward support, both practical and emotional.

Get a divorce

Check you can get a divorce, agree or disagree with a divorce application, what to do if your husband or wife lacks mental capacity.

https://www.gov.uk/divorce/what-happens-after-you-apply

Hotflushesandchilblains · 17/01/2025 19:13

OP, been thinking about you since yesterday. The less you say to the vicars wife the better. I also think when you have left your husband you can find a church with a more responsible vicar and wife - I seriously think this should be raised as a safeguarding concern too. You are spot on - this is about damage control for the church (and her husband and her) not about your welfare at all. That is the only explanation for the way she has behaved.

StrawberryDream24 · 17/01/2025 19:15

The bit about her wanting me to talk only to her is what has basically made me feel trapped and shut down

That's quite sinister.

No-one with your best interests at heart would ever try to exhort you not to talk to anyone else you want to about an important issue. That's how you get perspectives and a broad picture. She doesn't want you to get perspectives and a broad picture. It's the equivalent of censorship and brainwashing in an autocracy.

Op, you're too smart for these people.

Your h shoved you early on in your marriage, thinking he'd set it up to suit him and he'd show you your place; you told him it was categorically wrong and that you'd report him to the police. He couldn't do what he wanted and he's "had" to find other ways to demean and abuse you through the years. Including his "accidents".

This woman told you to tell no-one else; you've had the sense & backbone to find this forum and get wide perspectives.

They won't fool you and they won't keep you down ✊

ShuffleShuffleSpin · 17/01/2025 20:24

Thank you for this. I know you aren’t religious, but this really spoke to me and is so on point. I have actually told my husband many times over the years we have been married that the foundations of our marriage are cracked and unstable. People can talk about God all they want (my husband does this) but if they are not living it out then it loses meaning. I do not believe that my marriage was build on the Rock. I thought it was going to be on my wedding day, but the lies and abuse made its foundation sand.

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fashionqueen0123 · 17/01/2025 20:28

ShuffleShuffleSpin · 17/01/2025 10:35

Thank you all for all of it encouragement and recommended resources and even offering to communicate via DM. I very well may be in touch. Thank you to all who understand what I am going thru as a Christian and how theology can become twisted or misused. I really appreciate the affirmation that abuse breaks the marriage. I know my pastors wife might mean well (I keep saying pastor bc I was raised in USA but her husband is technically a vicar - sorry for using the wrong term!). I think she has handled it wrong, though. She told me to talk to her only and no one else - not even the women’s worker - and it’s made me feel trapped and cut off. I don’t want to cause drama in the church. I am going to seek support from some of the other churches in my area and Women’s Aid.

That’s terrible! No wonder so much abuse happens within the church if that’s their attitude. I would keep away from them.

Winterskyfall · 17/01/2025 20:35

ShuffleShuffleSpin · 17/01/2025 20:24

Thank you for this. I know you aren’t religious, but this really spoke to me and is so on point. I have actually told my husband many times over the years we have been married that the foundations of our marriage are cracked and unstable. People can talk about God all they want (my husband does this) but if they are not living it out then it loses meaning. I do not believe that my marriage was build on the Rock. I thought it was going to be on my wedding day, but the lies and abuse made its foundation sand.

You are welcome. Of course the foundation has turned to sand, how could the rock possibly still exist after his behaviour. He is now using your religion to try keep you despite his despicable behaviour. You and your children deserve better. Wishing you a very happy future. xx

mollymazda · 17/01/2025 20:37

of course he does... he will promise the earth! he will adore you, shower you with love and affection, until the next time. its a never ending cycle.. i remember being in it.. at times i would provolk the violence just to get quickly to whats call the 'honeymoon stage' again

ShuffleShuffleSpin · 17/01/2025 22:30

StrawberryDream24 · 17/01/2025 19:15

The bit about her wanting me to talk only to her is what has basically made me feel trapped and shut down

That's quite sinister.

No-one with your best interests at heart would ever try to exhort you not to talk to anyone else you want to about an important issue. That's how you get perspectives and a broad picture. She doesn't want you to get perspectives and a broad picture. It's the equivalent of censorship and brainwashing in an autocracy.

Op, you're too smart for these people.

Your h shoved you early on in your marriage, thinking he'd set it up to suit him and he'd show you your place; you told him it was categorically wrong and that you'd report him to the police. He couldn't do what he wanted and he's "had" to find other ways to demean and abuse you through the years. Including his "accidents".

This woman told you to tell no-one else; you've had the sense & backbone to find this forum and get wide perspectives.

They won't fool you and they won't keep you down ✊

Edited

Thank you. This is very encouraging. I have often thought during this process that I have been indecisive and wished I had figured things out sooner and taken action sooner. Even now, the entire topic of this post was started bc I was struggling with self doubt again. When I sit down and think about the impact of being raised in patriarchal conservative Christian culture and in an authoritarian household and not being allowed to date until I was in my 20s - I know it’s a lot. Thank you for saying I’m strong and smart and can get through this. It really helps.

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Huwipulotu · 17/01/2025 22:43

StormingNorman · 16/01/2025 14:28

Your husband and the pastor’s wife can fuck off. You and your children deserve better. Carry on with your plan to leave. Wishing you luck x

Just keep reading this OP. Leave the violent prick. He does not deserve you. Your children do not deserve him.

mathanxiety · 17/01/2025 23:25

ShuffleShuffleSpin · 17/01/2025 22:30

Thank you. This is very encouraging. I have often thought during this process that I have been indecisive and wished I had figured things out sooner and taken action sooner. Even now, the entire topic of this post was started bc I was struggling with self doubt again. When I sit down and think about the impact of being raised in patriarchal conservative Christian culture and in an authoritarian household and not being allowed to date until I was in my 20s - I know it’s a lot. Thank you for saying I’m strong and smart and can get through this. It really helps.

Not only strong and smart, but also equipped with a very keen intuition and a yearning for what is true and authentic.

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