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Is this unkind, tone deaf or something else?

131 replies

maudsch · 27/12/2024 11:16

Person A - is likely depressed and has asked Person B for time off and space to figure things out and affirmed that a relationship continuation is not promissed for next year - also does not celebrate Christmas at all and likes to spend the day alone - explicited asked to not receive any kind of Christimas messages/wishes.

Person B - travels every year to another country to spend Christmas with family. Messaged Person A on Christmas day a merry Christma message and fake images of Person A’s favourite series character wearing Christmas hats in the snow with Christmas slogans all over it. Note that the series in question is about apocalypse survival and has absolutely nothing to do with Christmas at all.

Person A - replies with a simple ‘enjoy your day’

Next day, boxing day Person B messages again - a paragraph - talking about their activities with the family, the Christmas dinner, the boxing day lunch and the plans for boxing day dinner and signs off with a ‘miss you’ and a kissy emoji, knowing full well that the relationship is on a break

Is Person B just tone deaf to Person A or is it an attempt to burst boundaries?

Do you think Person B is pretending they didn’t understand what is going on?

They have been low key dating for 1.5 years but don’t plan to marry or share a home. One is late 40s and the other mid 50s.

OP posts:
Lostinmusic22 · 27/12/2024 14:06

And if you are person A op, why don’t you tell us why you are feeling this way? What happened? You might find it more helpful being open and accepting of your true situation, rather than who said what.

Louisetheroux · 27/12/2024 14:09

Person A sounds like they have narcissistic tendencies. Doesn't like Christmas (because the focus isn't solely on them, this is classic); has moved out of the idealisation stage but instead of just ending it with B, is keeping them hanging on as a source of supply. A relationship isn't promised next year? Who says shit like that? Poor B.

InkHeart2024 · 27/12/2024 14:09

maudsch · 27/12/2024 11:38

Person A explicited asked to not receive any kind of Christimas messages/wishes.

So it is ok for Person B to ignore the above just because Christmas?

Person A you needs to rip the plaster off and stop being horrible to person B because they very understandably wanted to communicate with their partner on what to them is a special occasion.

Everleigh13 · 27/12/2024 14:12

Person B cares for Person A and wants to check in with them over Christmas and keep the relationship going.

TitaniasAss · 27/12/2024 14:13

Person A sounds awful - intolerant, sulky and controlling. Even though they do not celebrate Christmas, they clearly don't care that person B does. I hope person B moves on and finds someone they deserve.

Maddy70 · 27/12/2024 14:14

Person a is not interested in a relationship

PromoJoJo · 27/12/2024 14:18

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Lightswitchup · 27/12/2024 14:19

maudsch · 27/12/2024 11:38

Person A explicited asked to not receive any kind of Christimas messages/wishes.

So it is ok for Person B to ignore the above just because Christmas?

How was this explicitly communicated? If it was very clearly communicated and B said ‘ok I will comply with that request’ but then ignored it, then B would be out of order and a bit weird.

If, however, A thinks they have communicated something clearly but it was actually more ambiguous, then B is merely acting within cultural norms, and perhaps doesn’t fully understand A’s feelings or wishes. This may not be B’s fault if it is a communication issue.

DarcyProudman · 27/12/2024 14:27

I think person A sounds like hard work…

Twototwo15 · 27/12/2024 14:30

Person A sounds like a bit of a nightmare.

Paganpentacle · 27/12/2024 14:31

Person A seems to have disappeared from the thread seeing as it hasnt gone the way they thought it would.....
Hopefully they've gone to man/woman up and end the relationship instead of leaving person B dangling.

maudsch · 27/12/2024 14:38

Lightswitchup · 27/12/2024 14:19

How was this explicitly communicated? If it was very clearly communicated and B said ‘ok I will comply with that request’ but then ignored it, then B would be out of order and a bit weird.

If, however, A thinks they have communicated something clearly but it was actually more ambiguous, then B is merely acting within cultural norms, and perhaps doesn’t fully understand A’s feelings or wishes. This may not be B’s fault if it is a communication issue.

This was communicated verbally

Person A said to Person B at the dating stage that they don’t celebrate Christmas and have not done so for about 10 years.

For their 1st Christmas together last year Person A made an exception and exchanged gifts with Person B before they travelled to spend holidays with family and did the whole Christmas message thing but it didn’t feel authentic.

Person A attempted to break up the relationship with Person B and Person B did not accept it and suggested Person A is depressed. Because it was mid December, Person A then knowing Person B would travel, thought it would be a time for Person B to reflect on Person A’s wish to break up and accept. Person A also said that they wanted to go back to their way they have been doing Christmas and said they would not reply to any Christmas messages not even from own family. So requested Person B to not send any as it feels pointless and irritating (to a person who does not celebrate)
Person A had already said in the beginning of December that they wanted to opt out of gifts exchanging too.

OP posts:
InkHeart2024 · 27/12/2024 14:41

Could you ditch the person A person B thing if you want some proper help?

TypingoftheDead · 27/12/2024 14:41

I would be annoyed if I’d specifically asked for someone to avoid certain topics and they talked about it, anyway (it’s not like there aren’t thousands of other things you could talk about). Just a “how are you?” over Christmas would have been fine in this case, if they really wanted to text.

Goody2ShoesAndTheFilthyBeast · 27/12/2024 14:49

Person A and person B are incompatible.

How do you try to break up with someone anyway?

Ending a relationship is not something that needs the agreement of both parties.

If A doesn't want to be with B then A doesn't need B to agree to that for the relationship to be over. A says sorry, but we're done. Don't contact me again. A blocks B. If B hassles A, A says leave me alone or I'll report you for harassment.

MrTiddlesTheCat · 27/12/2024 14:50

You clearly enjoy wallowing in misery. As other posters have said, end the relationship properly and stop dragging your poor partner down with you.

maudsch · 27/12/2024 14:52

TypingoftheDead · 27/12/2024 14:41

I would be annoyed if I’d specifically asked for someone to avoid certain topics and they talked about it, anyway (it’s not like there aren’t thousands of other things you could talk about). Just a “how are you?” over Christmas would have been fine in this case, if they really wanted to text.

That is what I’m thinking

They could reach out and avoid the topic that the other said is uncomfortable and irritating and explicitely asked to be spared of
It just sounds like completely ignoring what the other feel / want even if it is good intention

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TwistedWonder · 27/12/2024 14:52

Stop with the person a/b nonsense and hand wringing, tell the other person it’s over and block if they continue to message.

It doesn't have to be as dramatic as you’re making it

Puddingrun · 27/12/2024 14:55

Person A needs to leave the relationship, it is normal to talk about things you have done/enjoy with your partner. If I was dating someone of another religion I would expect to hear about their celebration (even if i didnt celebrate) and how they have enjoyed time with family. Not sulk about being told about it.

Loloj · 27/12/2024 14:55

it sounds like person B has been left dangling wondering whether or not the relationship with A will continue or not. Which is not fair as it is clear that person A is not interested in a relationship anymore with person B but hasn’t explicitly told person B this so person B is holding onto hope and has buried their head in the sand and is messaging person A “normal” Xmas messages in an attempt to continue communication. These messages may be annoying for person A but I feel sorry for person B as person A will not outright tell person B that the relationship is over and is using “mental health” as an excuse for treating person B badly.

MWNA · 27/12/2024 14:57

Person A (you, I'm guessing) sounds pretty awful. If you genuinely don't want messages and don't want the relationship, don't be half arsed about it. Ignore the texts and end the relationship. Otherwise you're just a manipulative coward.

Baguettesandcheeseforever · 27/12/2024 14:58

Kindly, person A needs therapy to talk about c why receiving a Christmas message or other acknowledging Christmas is so triggering. It isn’t other people’s job to avoid your triggers, it’s your job to learn how to manage them.

Baguettesandcheeseforever · 27/12/2024 14:59

Person A also needs to work through what healthy relationships and communication looks like and how to treat people with the kindness and respect they deserve. It’s unfair to leave person B in such a B position and person B deserves more.

RupertCampbellBlacksEgo · 27/12/2024 15:00

Can't follow all that but just dump the boyfriend/girlfriend if you're not enjoying dating whoever it is. No need for such exhausting analysis, especially in your 40s, life is for enjoying.

tigger1001 · 27/12/2024 15:00

maudsch · 27/12/2024 11:38

Person A explicited asked to not receive any kind of Christimas messages/wishes.

So it is ok for Person B to ignore the above just because Christmas?

No it's not. That's person b putting their wishes over what person a has asked for.