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Was my relationship with my youth worker as a teenager weird?

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gregometer · 27/12/2024 09:17

When I was 15 I was part of a youth group associated with the church that i attended since childhood. I became very close with one of the male leaders who I'd known since I was very small. Nothing actually sexual happened between us and I actually have warm feeling towards him when I think of him now. However when I look at it all as an adult, through the lense of an married women with children, it feels so inappropriate and I need help knowing how to feel about it.
He was very kind to me and did extremely sweet things for me. With it being a church youth group, he was invested in me becoming Christian, although no one in my family was particularly religious even though id gone to church regularly since childhood with my nanna. I think this could be used as an excuse as to why he was so invested in spending time with me, because he wanted to convert me.

But we'd spend so much time together, in his car, chatting for hours after he'd dropped me off. And he told me he would purposely drop me off a little bit away from my house so my grandad and dad wouldn't see us in the car together. He said he knew there was nothing untoward going on but was concerned about how it looked to others.
He'd tell me not to sleep with other boys, when I was around 16/17. This would be framed in a 'it's not what's in gods plan for you' way. And he never hinted that he wanted to sleep with me but i remember going to a boys house one night after he'd tried to persuade me not to and he text me on the night saying 'have fun'. Which in hindsight seems a little off.
When I was a fair bit older and had moved away and came back to visit, I was walking with him, and a boy that I didn't recognise said hello to me, I didn't know who it was and my youth leader said 'probably someone you've had sex with'. Which was all very jokey at the time but again now, seems weird.

This was a man in his 30s, married with 5 children. I was friends with his wife. I'd baby sit for them, clean their house, take their kids to school once of week. Again he was a gentle soul, we had a laugh and a loved spending time with him. But we were incredibly intense together and he was my closest relationship at that time. Now my husband is a dad in his 30s and I'm trying to picture him spending that amount of time with a teenage girl and I can't! I think it would break our marriage. I'd feel sick to my stomach. I'm having a hard time knowing how to think about all this, maybe someone has some wisdom?

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Completely incorrect.
Unless you think you were there and know these people, then you're being incredibly strange.

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Fmlgirl · 28/12/2024 09:10

The comment about you having sex is so wildly uncalled for and inappropriate. At worst a groomer, at best a disgusting creep. Either way, I’m really sorry you went through this.

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gregometer · 28/12/2024 09:14

@SunnyTealLeader

No affair. He was tempted to cheat with someone almost 20 years younger. This was when I was also late teens and he moved away. This is not someone from our hometown and not someone that he had known for any amount of time.
Please stop now. Because you're making it about this when it's not. And it's no longer helpful.

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I didn't say he makes me sick to my stomach.

I said if my husband had this kind of relationship with a teenager, I would feel sick. You're misreading me and it's not helping

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Sladequeen · 28/12/2024 09:16

What a creep. I grew up in ‘the church’ and men like this were everywhere, there were subtle ones like this one and out and out pedoes who were regularly ‘forgiven’ by god and the church.
I had several uncomfortable interactions with Christian men and heard many excuses for them and cover ups by other Christians.
i have religious trauma from the indoctrination and things I witnessed and had drummed into me.
im still not fully over it.

This man had unhealthy intentions whether or not he acted on them in front of you or used them to fuel his imagination later.
you were fortunate that ’nothing’ happened but I can understand why it has left you feeling this way years later.
maybe worth looking up what he’s doing now and possibly an anonymous message to his employer if he is still in a position of responsibility around Kids or vulnerable people.
you could also contact the police and flag him up as a possible person of interest: should anything happen in the future they at least have his name / MO on record

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gregometer · 28/12/2024 09:28

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No it's not.

The whole point of my OP is that objectively I can see that the words and actions of this man are inappropriate and unacceptable, but that the waters are muddied and its hard for me to see it for what it is. That's literally why I wrote the post. Because I can apply the situation to my husband or any other man and see it for what it is. But because I lived it, its hard for me to see clearly.

There is NO turn around from me. Human beings are nuanced and can have various feelings about a singular issue. I don't think your intentions here are good. You are not here to help or add to the discussion, you are here to argue and deliberately misunderstand.

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gregometer · 28/12/2024 09:30

Sladequeen · 28/12/2024 09:16

What a creep. I grew up in ‘the church’ and men like this were everywhere, there were subtle ones like this one and out and out pedoes who were regularly ‘forgiven’ by god and the church.
I had several uncomfortable interactions with Christian men and heard many excuses for them and cover ups by other Christians.
i have religious trauma from the indoctrination and things I witnessed and had drummed into me.
im still not fully over it.

This man had unhealthy intentions whether or not he acted on them in front of you or used them to fuel his imagination later.
you were fortunate that ’nothing’ happened but I can understand why it has left you feeling this way years later.
maybe worth looking up what he’s doing now and possibly an anonymous message to his employer if he is still in a position of responsibility around Kids or vulnerable people.
you could also contact the police and flag him up as a possible person of interest: should anything happen in the future they at least have his name / MO on record

I really relate to your first paragraph. It's so hard to see the woods from the trees with spiritual abuse type things. Especially if it comes from what essentially is a good message that's made into something to control and condemn. And coming from adults that you and your family know wand trust. Flowers

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HelenInHeels · 28/12/2024 09:37

My brother is 36 now and when he was at college, his female teacher took a massive interest in him. He always looked older than the other students and was quite smart. She was early 30s. She gave him private tuition, round at her house, they texted each other and bought gifts. He said they hugged when he went over but nothing more. She had wine and candles (like the girl in Rick James's Super Freak)!

I think he was groomed but he played up to it. He lent her his jacket on a fire drill, stared at her in class and told her how much she meant.

He got a distraught message from her on LinkedIn years later about not returning messages. He was with his now wife at this point. She had therapy because she couldn't get over him, my little brother, it is crazy.

Sladequeen · 28/12/2024 09:40

I have a good friend whose ex partner was imprisoned for child abuse. She got with him when she was 14 and he was in his 30s.
(we were both teens with much older men which seemed ‘normal’ in the 80s and early 90s.)
She had his baby at 15.
When the news came out about him being a prolific child sexual abuser, my friend said to me ‘ I don’t understand it, he never showed any signs when he was with me’

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I thought he buttered her up for grades and extra tuition. I was only 19 myself then. I've kept this secret for almost two decades and never told our parents or talked to my brother about it since just after he left university and started work.

Itsabeautifulthing · 28/12/2024 09:51

The fact he parked away from your house so as not to be seen shows he knew it was inappropriate and he took the steps to hide himself. I'm sure his wife didn't know he spent hours talking with a teenage girl and taking an interest in her sex life. He was grooming you OP and I'm just glad it didn't progress to sexual abuse. I would be concerned about anyone else he moved onto after you x

TriptoTipp · 28/12/2024 09:57

Itsabeautifulthing · 28/12/2024 09:51

The fact he parked away from your house so as not to be seen shows he knew it was inappropriate and he took the steps to hide himself. I'm sure his wife didn't know he spent hours talking with a teenage girl and taking an interest in her sex life. He was grooming you OP and I'm just glad it didn't progress to sexual abuse. I would be concerned about anyone else he moved onto after you x

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I would be concerned about anyone else he moved onto after you x

Including the next teenage girl ("legal" though) who he nearly "cheated" with 20 years than him......

OP wasnt the first and wasnt the last.

He is a sexual predator - even if it was an 'emotional affair' and didnt stray to physical it was CSA.

gregometer · 28/12/2024 09:57

Itsabeautifulthing · 28/12/2024 09:51

The fact he parked away from your house so as not to be seen shows he knew it was inappropriate and he took the steps to hide himself. I'm sure his wife didn't know he spent hours talking with a teenage girl and taking an interest in her sex life. He was grooming you OP and I'm just glad it didn't progress to sexual abuse. I would be concerned about anyone else he moved onto after you x

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Yes I agree with you.
Although I'm not sure about his wife. I'm pretty sure she knew where he was. I was friends with her too. It certainly didn't feel like we were hiding anything from her at the time.

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B0RING · 27/12/2024 13:39

You are assuming that his only bad motivation must have been to “ try something on with you “. And because he didn’t, you assume that his motivation was therefore pure .

But it’s not a binary option

bad man who sexually assaults underage girls OR
good man whose only motivation for doing youth work is the welfare of young people

There are other things in between. Man who

engages in sexual conversations
discusses his own sex life, his struggles with porn and infidelity
prompts for details of young girls sex life
has secret, hours long one on one talks in cars that he knows “ look bad “
Subtlety encourages a teen to hide things from their family
inappropriately confides in young girl
has an intense, best friend type relationship with underage girl
uses a teen for free cleaning and babysitting
lies to ( or omitted to tell the truth to ) his supervisor about what he was doing

All of these things are objective bad things, they are against all safeguarding rules now and most of them were against the rules 20 years ago. He knew that and yet he still did them.

Even if it felt good to you.
Even if he also was kind to you.
Even if you were flattered by the attention
Even if everyone thought he was a great guy
Even if he never laid a finger on you

He was very wrong to do what he did.

Excellent post:

"engages in sexual conversations with a CHILD
discusses his own sex life, his struggles with porn and infidelity with a CHILD
prompts for details of young girls sex life
has secret, hours long one on one talks in cars that he knows “ look bad' with a CHILD
Subtlety encourages a teen to hide things from their family
inappropriately confides in young girl
has an intense, best friend type relationship with underage girl
uses a teen for free cleaning and babysitting
lies to ( or omitted to tell the truth to ) his supervisor about what he was doing
All of these things are objective bad things, they are against all safeguarding rules now and most of them were against the rules 20 years ago. He knew that and yet he still did them."

And this part explains how the grooming works to make you feel comfortable with the above abhorrent behaviours.

Even if it felt good to you.
Even if he also was kind to you.
Even if you were flattered by the attention
Even if everyone thought he was a great guy