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Mum friends or frenemies? Can't get over it

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BloomingOrchidea · 28/11/2024 04:30

I am tired of speaking about this with my friends and my husband literally shouted at me for bringing this up again today. Please, if someone can tell me how I can get over this I'd be forever grateful

So, during my pregnancy I connected with around eight other mums to be, to form friendships and companionship during our upcoming mat leave.
One in particular, lets call her Ava, I thought I'd got on well with: Ava is lively, friendly and goes out of her way to help all of us. Her generosity is unmatched.

At some point into our mat leaves, some drama happened in the group where two of the girls were somewhat unkind to another. They basically accused her of knowingly bringing her sick children to a gathering where most of the babies got ill, and Ava's baby caught bronchiolitis as a result.

This girl, lets call her Helen, was mortified. She apologised profusely and swore she didn't realise her kid was ill. I believed her and took particular umbrage at how she was made to feel.

When I next saw one of the unkind girls, we can call her Polly, I didn't hide my feelings and when she asked if I was OK I was honest and told her how she'd made Helen feel. She gave a qualified apology, saying Helen is a disruptor, doesn't take advice from us when her children fall ill and maybe if she did they would be healthier. Her tone was that Helen is a neglectful mum.
Nonetheless, she messaged Helen directly and apologised which was good because they sorted things out between themselves. Good.

Now Polly is the mums I was least close to. I found her to be quite self absorbed. One of those people that talk over you and is only quiet so they can think of the next thing to say. She's also really negative, and pretty dramatic which I found draining. Id always offer to help anyway, as we all did, but it just never seemed enough.

I never spoke about Polly, about how I didn't like her, to anyone, until one day Ava and I were out together and Ava broaches the subject of the whole drama with Helen. I felt Ava was safe, so I told her about my feelings towards Polly. Ava joined in, saying how she also finds Polly negative, that her partner finds her super negative too and that when she visits, always overstays her welcome to the point that Ava feels she needs to feed her because she's there for so long.

A few weeks go by, Polly and her friend had become somewhat frozen out of the group because the others also felt they were too negative and a bit judgemental.

Then one day Ava messages saying she's very worried about Polly, how she is really remorseful about what happened, and that shes feeling isolated as if she had no friends at all. I was sceptical. Polly has 5000 friends on facebook and friends irl who help her and her family. However she insisted that Polly is vulnerable and susceptible to the influences of others and thats why she acted that way.

So the other girls and I warmed up to Polly again and thought Ava was being noble, by helping someone in a bad position.

After that, Polly and Ava seemed to have become best friends. They would often share picture of them together and their babies with the group, sometimes to things none of us had been invited to. Ava started saying things like "come to my house, ill cook for you" or "youre welcome to a playdate at mine" whenever Polly would hint she was lonely or had no plans.

There are other friendships in the group but no one else behaves this way. Things arranged between individuals are kept between them and no one fawns over their mates like this. And there are other good friendships there, that's a fact. Its gotten to a point that if Ava goes anywhere and invites the group, Polly shows herself availably immediately. I personally don't want to spend time with her and noticed the others will often not join either. I only really see them when we arrange to all meet which usually happens about once a month.

To begin with I thought how nice of Ava to help someone in need but as their PDAs carried on I started to wonder if any of what she told me was true? I began feeling as if I had been manipulated into saying how I truly felt. That maybe I had been spied on?

All I know is it makes me sick to see them be friends. Maybe I am jealous, that Polly despite her shortcomings found herself a good, true friend and I didnt?
Thing is I was genuinely OK to begin with, but as the PDAs kept coming in I found myself more and more annoyed.

The chat is on mute, and Ive not gone to recent gatherings, mainly because Ava doesnt think anything of bringing her kid out when he had just recovered from HFM (still had blisters and my baby caught it off him) or RSV and that's annoyed me anew.

Ive been told me to just leave the chat and cut ties but I feel the right thing is to continue pretending all is well , not show my feelings again, otherwise if I do then I lost the game, I am weak and pathetic.

Thank you if youve made it this way. I know you will say I just need to get over it, but believe me, Ive tried. Ive made other friends, I have my own interests, I love my life. They just annoy me and I dont know why!

AIBU and crazy and just completely insane?

OP posts:
MumChp · 28/11/2024 04:36

You spend way to much time and energy on this.
Move on.

Jeezitneverends · 28/11/2024 04:37

They are not your friends. Mum groups can be funny things, you’re thrown together as you’re going through a massive thing in your lives and you do need support. Sometimes you can be lucky and make lifelong friends, sometimes it’s friendship which last a season,and that’s fine too.

Sometimes though all you have in common is that you all had sex at roughly the same time and you became pregnant!

BloomingOrchidea · 28/11/2024 04:41

MumChp · 28/11/2024 04:36

You spend way to much time and energy on this.
Move on.

Edited

Yes, I know. Thats why im here, asking for help. Thanks for replying

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mrschocolatte · 28/11/2024 04:42

Mute them. The less you know what they’re doing and getting up to, the less hurt and annoyed you will feel. Create space and distance and in time you’ll gradually forget about them and move on. They are not going to give you what you need so don’t waste anymore energy maintaining friendships with people who make you feel this way.

BlastedPimples · 28/11/2024 04:42

Why do you give a shit about Polly and Ava's friendship? You do sound jealous. And about 9 years old. Or really weirdly fixated.

And what a horrible bunch of people to have frozen Polly out of the group. Just nasty. Even if you don't like her, you don't freeze people out.

Just stop focusing in other people's friendships and also stop bitching about other people like Polly. Keep your thoughts to yourself.

FennelFan · 28/11/2024 04:45

That's a very long account of basically nothing. You are overthinking this and I'm not surprised your husband doesn't want to hear it again. You have no reason to think that you were manipulated. Honestly, it does sound like envy that they have a connection that you don't. Mum friends often come and go. They'll be lots more of this to come in the playground so you need to get a thicker skin about it.

movingonsaturday · 28/11/2024 04:46

So glad I left this in the playground. My advice to you is to do the same. Move on with your life because who gives a fuck about such menial crap

Berlinlover · 28/11/2024 04:49

You sound very young.

RosieLeaf · 28/11/2024 04:49

Why can’t Polly and Ava be friends?

What is the game?

PDA’s?

Too much over nothing.

yipyipyop · 28/11/2024 04:49

Wow what a load of fuss about nothing

leafybrew · 28/11/2024 04:52

Sorry OP - but I got bored around halfway through the post and couldn't finish reading it.

Plus I don't know what a PDA is?? [behind the times here]

It doesn't sound like you should meet up with them if you don't want your baby catching any new diseases.

But then again - when or if the baby starts nursery or preschool - watch out - cos all you get is new diseases....

MrsTerryPratchett · 28/11/2024 04:58

RosieLeaf · 28/11/2024 04:49

Why can’t Polly and Ava be friends?

What is the game?

PDA’s?

Too much over nothing.

Edited

This. Fuss over nothing. You either get something out of the group, so stay and deal with the silliness. Or you don't and leave.

So much analysis of other people's motivations and hidden agendas. Who cares? Just be yourself and it either works out or it doesn't.

SparkleShineRainbow · 28/11/2024 05:04

I think polly has disclosed something to Ava that the rest of you don’t know. Like
mental health issue or a problem in her life and she’s secured the friendship and support she needs. Ava’s PDAs are a mixture of genuine support plus trying to persuade others to follow the lead and be supportive too - which will morph into rifts if this doesn’t happen. It already is creating a rift.

you could speak to polly 1-1 to see how she is. Ava might not have shared what you said behind her back. Or, if she did, then you’ll know.

either way you have to learn a lesson here about not talking behind other people’s backs. In a mum group I’d never discuss my personal feelings about one of the group with another person in the group. It’s really bad form. I think I did it recently once but I’ve known those guys for 10 years and there’s no question of damaging the relationships. You may not see it like this but you kind of made a grab at social power in the group (iyswim) in building up your relationship with Ava by talking down about Polly. This rarely ends well.

You could block and ghost the group. They will be offended, you’ll be the bad guy, will this actually help you?

You sound a bit insecure. Becoming a mum is so isolating. Be kind to yourself. You’re just navigating new situations. People make mistakes. The group isn’t perfect but it’s what you have right now. Maybe it’s drawing to an end. You might end up seeing them in years to come when kids go to local activities or schools so try to keep it on a friendly track.

YearningForAWinteryWinter · 28/11/2024 05:07

You'll just have to accept that you didn't make friends in this particular group and focus on the new friendships you're building.

catsnore · 28/11/2024 05:12

Groups of mum friends are just odd places to be. You don't know them that well and you probably never will. Try to see the group as serving a purpose only (mutual support at a difficult time) but don't get sucked into any more drama. Who said what about who is tedious and childish. Freezing out is nasty. Stay polite and friendly in case you bump into them later at the school gate etc. mute the chat and move on, however bad it seems now, in the context of your life it is minor and insignificant.

TerrorAustralis · 28/11/2024 05:15

Kindly, it sounds like you have too much time on your hands and that’s why they’re living rent-free in your head. Find other things to do. Focus on friendships with the group members that you do get on with.

Try to let it go. Every time you find yourself thinking about it, say to yourself, “Well that didn’t turn out how I thought it would.” And then distract yourself with something else.

Also, it might be time to go back to work.

DaftyLass · 28/11/2024 05:16

You need to look at why you are jealous, and work on your own self esteem to be less vulnerable to these feelings

Loub1987 · 28/11/2024 05:19

I’m not even sure I understand what the issue is. Polly and Ava are friends but you don’t like Polly? Yes, get over it and move on.

I had to advise my 5 year old recently as she had a similar issue in school. All she resolved now though 😂

Mummyoflittledragon · 28/11/2024 05:20

No one forced you to talk badly about Polly. We are all human. I think the mistake of talking behind someone’s back in an attempt to secure a firm friendship with Ava and cement a rift in the group has back fired. Is Ava a queen bee type?

Parkmybentley · 28/11/2024 05:20

Here's the best bit of wisdom. "Nothing good ever comes of the group chat." Seriously. Repeat it every time it pings. Mute it!!!

Message the people you want to meet up with, individually.
And go to groups to find new mum mates too.

Agree with pps sadly this is how these types of groups go, disassociate yourself.

TheaBrandt · 28/11/2024 05:22

Fretting over things over which you have zero control (ie other people’s friendships with each other) is futile and will drive you mad. It’s lovely to be in a large group of local friends but you have to have a thick skin and confidence in yourself to be able to deal with it. Sounds like you don’t at the moment.

CatalinaLoo · 28/11/2024 05:25

Wow. I kept on reading to the end waiting for an event or circumstance or drama on which the OP wanted advice, but in the end…. NOTHING. Literally nothing has happened of any interest or note. The OP seems to be obsessing over entirely normal group interactions. OP, kindly, take a step back and find something else to do on your mat leave. Join another baby group, go for a walk or find a decent series on Netflix and stop with this weirdness.

Parker231 · 28/11/2024 05:26

You sound like a 10 year old and are investing way too much time in other people’s friendships. Better to find some other things to do in your life.

BloomingOrchidea · 28/11/2024 05:32

Mummyoflittledragon · 28/11/2024 05:20

No one forced you to talk badly about Polly. We are all human. I think the mistake of talking behind someone’s back in an attempt to secure a firm friendship with Ava and cement a rift in the group has back fired. Is Ava a queen bee type?

No, that's not why I said what I said. I've never made a true effort to be friends with Ava and never really reached out to her individually again after that. Polly on the other hand did and they became close. And it's great. I just wish they didn't plaster it for everyone to see but I suppose it's my fault for looking.
Ava is lovely and gives a lot of herself to us all so i suppose she is a queen bee type but her being so close to Polly has alienated her somewhat I think.
Thanks for replying ill give all of this a lot less thought

OP posts:
tamade · 28/11/2024 05:35

I bet Ava told Polly what you said, and now they don't like you. They are probably trying to turn Helen against you.