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Is this normal?

135 replies

Hyperbolebaba · 12/11/2024 18:31

My husband 37, married 5 years and together for 10, is extremely sensitive to percieved control and loss of independence. Whatever my ask of him, he says I am manipulative, abusive, etc etc. Over the years i feel this has made concede on so many things, lower my standards on what i expect of marriage/my husband and pverall has left me doubting myself (and at times i feel like I am losing my sanity)

I fell out with his mother a few years ago; they are extremely close and the adult children deeply loyal to mum and each other. The entire family outcast me pretty quickly. My husband said if he stood up for me he would be outcast too and he made it clear he was not on my side. He also outcast me in many ways; he just dropped doing anything with his family with me included. Everything became private and exclusive. I am not entirely estranged from most his family. This has caused bitter rows, in the midst of fertility problems and IVF.

I have sometimes asked him to avoid certain events with his family as I was feeling so utterly excluded in not being invited; he refused and said i was controlling him. In the middle of IVF as well he insists he should be able to do this; when i tell him how much the stress affects me and that i feel its why the IVF is failing, he says I'm manipulating him with IVF, etc and i will manipulate him more with pregnancy, child, etc if he lets me get away with it. I have had a miscarriage and I begged him during the pregnancy to not go to an event as i was stressed about it; he went anyway. Another time he left me without giving me my trigger injection and went to a family dinner (simply because i has asked him not to go and he couldnt allow that for principles sake).

I have not asked him to never see any of his family again; some of them have been brutal in their rejection of me and i am really hurting from it. I have simply asked him to avoid intimate one to ones with them for a short period of time, particularly as we're commencing IVF again; i have clearly said the request doesnt apply to larger family events, dinners, Xmas, etc but he has simply refused. He says he will not ever discuss again with me on who he sees, when, how, etc period. If i ask him about being a team and putting us first, he says the marriage is most important to him but he absolute detests the talk of priority or primacy.

Am i being unreasonable? Is it normal for a person to feel they need to exercise their independence to this degree? Are my asks manipulative. He exagerrates my asks when he relays it back - "you dont want me to see my family" he insists - but that is hardly what I have asked for. I am so so utterly heartbroken and stressed. I literally feel sensations in my body from stress when these arguments come up and recently i got my period 5 days early in the middle of an argument - he says this is all manipulative and controlling. I am just losing touch with reality i feel; I cant tell anymore if i am right or wrong. I am terrified I am letting myself down but I am also desperately in love with him and want to make my marriage work.

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Hyperbolebaba · 12/11/2024 18:34

It should say "I am now estranged from most of his family".Lots of typos. sorry.

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Daleksatemyshed · 12/11/2024 18:36

Please don't have a baby with this man Op. I know you want a DC but it will only make your problems with him and his family worse. He's never going to be on your side, just never

WhereIsMyLight · 12/11/2024 18:36

If he genuinely thought you were this manipulative he would be looking to end the marriage. He’s not, so he’s using it as a tool to control and manipulate you.

teatoast8 · 12/11/2024 18:38

WhereIsMyLight · 12/11/2024 18:36

If he genuinely thought you were this manipulative he would be looking to end the marriage. He’s not, so he’s using it as a tool to control and manipulate you.

This

TheShellBeach · 12/11/2024 18:38

Hi OP.

I'm so sorry to read this. I'd sounds dreadful for you.

PLEASE don't have any more IVF.
Bringing a child into this mess would be a great mistake.

This man has already told you how he will treat you during pregnancy. Really, really badly. He already treats you really badly.

You're worth so much more than this.

I'm sorry but you need to end your marriage.

Flowers
StormingNorman · 12/11/2024 18:39

Do not bring a baby into this shit show and leave your husband. You will never be number one and you’ll only feel the exclusion more when he goes off to family events with baby and you’re left behind.

Hyperbolebaba · 12/11/2024 18:44

WhereIsMyLight · 12/11/2024 18:36

If he genuinely thought you were this manipulative he would be looking to end the marriage. He’s not, so he’s using it as a tool to control and manipulate you.

He has tried to end it a few times; he has packed up and nearly left 2-3 times. Recently he did it too and its the closest he has come (he actually spent a night with his family so now they know too how bad things are for us). I usually beg him to reconsider and then he comes around. The reason for the most recent departure was because i asked for 6 months of pause on one to ones with certain family members as I am very hurt and trying to heal, doing IVF too (I did make it clear though that i didnt mean larger family events, Xmas. etc). He said it was absue and that he would never do it, IVF or not. He said its his boundary that cannot be crossed (a boundary respect of which is prerequisite to our marriage and having kids). Is this normal? Am i being controlling and abusive? Anyone know anybody like this?

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Hyperbolebaba · 12/11/2024 18:47

StormingNorman · 12/11/2024 18:39

Do not bring a baby into this shit show and leave your husband. You will never be number one and you’ll only feel the exclusion more when he goes off to family events with baby and you’re left behind.

@StormingNorman - i know and i think i can forsee that. This is why i said to him that I accept his boundary and i wont stand in his way; but that my own boundary is with the kids (and that I will not want the kids to meet or be involved with such family members who are styrangers to me). I guess i finally after years of panic realised that this is my true "hard limit". He doesnt accept it. He wants to speak to a counsellor about it. He said his hard limit was unchangeable by anyone and i feel like i need to stick to mine in the same way. If he cant accept accept that, it may be time to end the relationship?

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Italiangreyhound · 12/11/2024 18:50

It all sounds very toxic but it sounds like he is being controlling.

Can I ask what the fertility issues are and also how old you are? I have had fertility treatment, and it is stressful.

I think your husband is gaslighting you and his whole family is weird/awful!

travelforthesoul · 12/11/2024 18:51

oh you need to get some boundaries in place and leave this person. Bringing a child into the mix will not help at all.

TheShellBeach · 12/11/2024 18:51

If he can't accept that, it may be time to end the relationship?

Indeed it is definitely time to end it.

This man hasn't got your back.

He keeps you on the hop, pretending he's going to leave.

He's the abusive, controlling one, OP.

Not you.

TheShellBeach · 12/11/2024 18:54

You need to read Why Does He Do That by Lundy Bancroft.

Why Does He Do That?: Inside the Minds of Angry and Controlling Men LINK HERE

WhereIsMyLight · 12/11/2024 18:54

Hyperbolebaba · 12/11/2024 18:44

He has tried to end it a few times; he has packed up and nearly left 2-3 times. Recently he did it too and its the closest he has come (he actually spent a night with his family so now they know too how bad things are for us). I usually beg him to reconsider and then he comes around. The reason for the most recent departure was because i asked for 6 months of pause on one to ones with certain family members as I am very hurt and trying to heal, doing IVF too (I did make it clear though that i didnt mean larger family events, Xmas. etc). He said it was absue and that he would never do it, IVF or not. He said its his boundary that cannot be crossed (a boundary respect of which is prerequisite to our marriage and having kids). Is this normal? Am i being controlling and abusive? Anyone know anybody like this?

He threatens to leave because he knows you’ll beg for him back. It’s a control tactic. Thats all. He has no intention of leaving you just making you believe you are worthy of nothing better than this behaviour. If you were to file for divorce, he’d change his tune. It’s all about control. Every single action he does is about controlling you.

Kickingasssince72 · 12/11/2024 18:54

Hyperbolebaba · 12/11/2024 18:31

My husband 37, married 5 years and together for 10, is extremely sensitive to percieved control and loss of independence. Whatever my ask of him, he says I am manipulative, abusive, etc etc. Over the years i feel this has made concede on so many things, lower my standards on what i expect of marriage/my husband and pverall has left me doubting myself (and at times i feel like I am losing my sanity)

I fell out with his mother a few years ago; they are extremely close and the adult children deeply loyal to mum and each other. The entire family outcast me pretty quickly. My husband said if he stood up for me he would be outcast too and he made it clear he was not on my side. He also outcast me in many ways; he just dropped doing anything with his family with me included. Everything became private and exclusive. I am not entirely estranged from most his family. This has caused bitter rows, in the midst of fertility problems and IVF.

I have sometimes asked him to avoid certain events with his family as I was feeling so utterly excluded in not being invited; he refused and said i was controlling him. In the middle of IVF as well he insists he should be able to do this; when i tell him how much the stress affects me and that i feel its why the IVF is failing, he says I'm manipulating him with IVF, etc and i will manipulate him more with pregnancy, child, etc if he lets me get away with it. I have had a miscarriage and I begged him during the pregnancy to not go to an event as i was stressed about it; he went anyway. Another time he left me without giving me my trigger injection and went to a family dinner (simply because i has asked him not to go and he couldnt allow that for principles sake).

I have not asked him to never see any of his family again; some of them have been brutal in their rejection of me and i am really hurting from it. I have simply asked him to avoid intimate one to ones with them for a short period of time, particularly as we're commencing IVF again; i have clearly said the request doesnt apply to larger family events, dinners, Xmas, etc but he has simply refused. He says he will not ever discuss again with me on who he sees, when, how, etc period. If i ask him about being a team and putting us first, he says the marriage is most important to him but he absolute detests the talk of priority or primacy.

Am i being unreasonable? Is it normal for a person to feel they need to exercise their independence to this degree? Are my asks manipulative. He exagerrates my asks when he relays it back - "you dont want me to see my family" he insists - but that is hardly what I have asked for. I am so so utterly heartbroken and stressed. I literally feel sensations in my body from stress when these arguments come up and recently i got my period 5 days early in the middle of an argument - he says this is all manipulative and controlling. I am just losing touch with reality i feel; I cant tell anymore if i am right or wrong. I am terrified I am letting myself down but I am also desperately in love with him and want to make my marriage work.

He is using this bullshit to control and manipulate you. Causing you to concede and lower your standards. It will only get worse over the years. Stop IVF and move on. This is not the life you are meant to have. It's abuse.

Weyohweyoh · 12/11/2024 18:56

If you do have a child, what are the chances of him respecting your wishes regarding contact with his family? Is he likely to just take the child to visit them and leave you behind? This is not a partnership, this is not a family. I would absolutely not have children with this man. I’d be rethinking the whole relationship.

Luckingfovely · 12/11/2024 18:59

This is not a marriage. And you need to get away from him urgently. Please read all the advice on here from the many wise women, they have your best interests at heart - unlike your husband.

YaWeeFurryBastard · 12/11/2024 19:01

It’s really not ok for you to insist your husband can’t have 1-1 time with certain relatives unless they have done something really awful, which I can’t see from your post.

However, in all other ways your husband sounds like a total prick and the situation highly toxic. I’m very sorry for your fertility issues but please don’t bring a child into this mess. You need to separate urgently and consider going it alone if time is not on your side.

TheShellBeach · 12/11/2024 19:02

Please OP don't let your natural desire for a child stop you from leaving this man.

Hyperbolebaba · 12/11/2024 19:02

WhereIsMyLight · 12/11/2024 18:54

He threatens to leave because he knows you’ll beg for him back. It’s a control tactic. Thats all. He has no intention of leaving you just making you believe you are worthy of nothing better than this behaviour. If you were to file for divorce, he’d change his tune. It’s all about control. Every single action he does is about controlling you.

To be honest, I have done it a couple of times but I havent packed my bags threatening to divorce; I have done it out of broken heart at times and needing space (and wanting to know he loves me and that he would want me to come back - the last time he didnt even say it or try to stop me). I havent done it over a "hard limit" that he must accept. I think i have been trying and struggling to cope with his treatment of me and with the idea of wanting to end things (but not being able to as I love him and he has some very good qualities).. I am so confused. I just dont udnerstand how he cant see what is happening.

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Hyperbolebaba · 12/11/2024 19:04

Weyohweyoh · 12/11/2024 18:56

If you do have a child, what are the chances of him respecting your wishes regarding contact with his family? Is he likely to just take the child to visit them and leave you behind? This is not a partnership, this is not a family. I would absolutely not have children with this man. I’d be rethinking the whole relationship.

I think if he gives me it in writing with some witnesses like the our counsellor or friends, then why should I not trust it? Dishonesty is not a trait of his.

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Mmmkaay · 12/11/2024 19:05

I don't often post on threads in relationships but please OP - make the decision tonight for the sake of your life and sanity to walk away. Life is so short and yours is miserable. This is only going to get worse if you have children with this man. Would you allow your child to be manipulated like this? Or be in a relationship like this?

TheShellBeach · 12/11/2024 19:06

I am so confused. I just don't understand how he can't see what is happening

Oh, he can. He knows exactly what's happening and why he's doing these things.

He's being controlling, and gaslighting you by making you question the reality of previous events.

Please, please don't think for a moment that he has your best interests at heart. He hasn't.

Is he also controlling in other ways? Finances, housework?

Hyperbolebaba · 12/11/2024 19:09

TheShellBeach · 12/11/2024 19:06

I am so confused. I just don't understand how he can't see what is happening

Oh, he can. He knows exactly what's happening and why he's doing these things.

He's being controlling, and gaslighting you by making you question the reality of previous events.

Please, please don't think for a moment that he has your best interests at heart. He hasn't.

Is he also controlling in other ways? Finances, housework?

Finance - not at all. Housework - he just drags his feet in general but he has gotten a lot better over time on this front.

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IfIHadAHeart · 12/11/2024 19:13

I feel like I’m reading a different thread to everyone else who’s replied.

Why are you asking him not to see his family? Why are you unwilling for him to maintain a relationship with them just because you don’t get on with them?

If someone told me I should have a six month “pause” on seeing my family, I would leave too!

Unless of course there is to be a huge drip feed as to the nature of the argument with his mum, but the fact that the entire family and even your husband have taken her side, it would suggest you were in the wrong.

GreenGrass28 · 12/11/2024 19:14

He's not prepared to centre you and any future children in his life. Instead, he centres on his family. Nothing good can come of adding children into the mix. You deserve someone who prioritises you, your marriage and any future children. Go find him, because your husband isn't it!