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Is this normal?

135 replies

Hyperbolebaba · 12/11/2024 18:31

My husband 37, married 5 years and together for 10, is extremely sensitive to percieved control and loss of independence. Whatever my ask of him, he says I am manipulative, abusive, etc etc. Over the years i feel this has made concede on so many things, lower my standards on what i expect of marriage/my husband and pverall has left me doubting myself (and at times i feel like I am losing my sanity)

I fell out with his mother a few years ago; they are extremely close and the adult children deeply loyal to mum and each other. The entire family outcast me pretty quickly. My husband said if he stood up for me he would be outcast too and he made it clear he was not on my side. He also outcast me in many ways; he just dropped doing anything with his family with me included. Everything became private and exclusive. I am not entirely estranged from most his family. This has caused bitter rows, in the midst of fertility problems and IVF.

I have sometimes asked him to avoid certain events with his family as I was feeling so utterly excluded in not being invited; he refused and said i was controlling him. In the middle of IVF as well he insists he should be able to do this; when i tell him how much the stress affects me and that i feel its why the IVF is failing, he says I'm manipulating him with IVF, etc and i will manipulate him more with pregnancy, child, etc if he lets me get away with it. I have had a miscarriage and I begged him during the pregnancy to not go to an event as i was stressed about it; he went anyway. Another time he left me without giving me my trigger injection and went to a family dinner (simply because i has asked him not to go and he couldnt allow that for principles sake).

I have not asked him to never see any of his family again; some of them have been brutal in their rejection of me and i am really hurting from it. I have simply asked him to avoid intimate one to ones with them for a short period of time, particularly as we're commencing IVF again; i have clearly said the request doesnt apply to larger family events, dinners, Xmas, etc but he has simply refused. He says he will not ever discuss again with me on who he sees, when, how, etc period. If i ask him about being a team and putting us first, he says the marriage is most important to him but he absolute detests the talk of priority or primacy.

Am i being unreasonable? Is it normal for a person to feel they need to exercise their independence to this degree? Are my asks manipulative. He exagerrates my asks when he relays it back - "you dont want me to see my family" he insists - but that is hardly what I have asked for. I am so so utterly heartbroken and stressed. I literally feel sensations in my body from stress when these arguments come up and recently i got my period 5 days early in the middle of an argument - he says this is all manipulative and controlling. I am just losing touch with reality i feel; I cant tell anymore if i am right or wrong. I am terrified I am letting myself down but I am also desperately in love with him and want to make my marriage work.

OP posts:
Hyperbolebaba · 13/11/2024 11:52

Cocomummy · 13/11/2024 11:50

Okay fair enough

I am from a different culture though so there certainly are cultural elements. I think typically in tends to be around duty of care - the kind of duty of care that i think applies to certain relationships, he doesnt think it does and vice versa.

OP posts:
Tophelleborine · 13/11/2024 11:57

IfIHadAHeart · 12/11/2024 19:13

I feel like I’m reading a different thread to everyone else who’s replied.

Why are you asking him not to see his family? Why are you unwilling for him to maintain a relationship with them just because you don’t get on with them?

If someone told me I should have a six month “pause” on seeing my family, I would leave too!

Unless of course there is to be a huge drip feed as to the nature of the argument with his mum, but the fact that the entire family and even your husband have taken her side, it would suggest you were in the wrong.

This is how I feel too! It must be really hurtful that his family don't want you in their lives, but I don't think it's reasonable to ask him to stop spending time with them 1-1. And you don't say why you fell out with his mother in the first place, for all we know you behaved badly and their responses are justified. Sorry.

Mrsttcno1 · 13/11/2024 11:58

Hyperbolebaba · 13/11/2024 11:48

You seem to think only along the lines of right or wrong. Any half decent therapist will tell you that is a very limiting way of thinking.

Even by your way of thinking, I think i was about 10% wrong over time and the rest was them as well as my husband. There were times when he literally asked me not to get involved with his family and i withdrew (from hurt, humuliation and to meet his request) - "No one wants to see you, everyone is awkward around you!"; "You cant visit my dying uncle as you dont get on with his sister, that is my mum!"; "My siblings wont see you; its like they're worried about having fun without mum"; "please dont try to orghanise things with my family and friends; i will do it msyelf if i want to".

It’s not just about right and wrong in life, but when you’re talking about upsetting family especially it does matter. There’s a big difference between my family just randomly deciding they don’t want anything to do with my husband for no reason, which I would support my husband through and try to rectify things and would myself take a step back from my family if needed, and my husband doing something deliberately cruel to hurt or upset my mum and family which meant my family no longer wanted anything to do with him which actually I would completely understand and would be rethinking my marriage and relationship with my husband as well because I wouldn’t want to be with someone who hurt my family.

From the examples you’ve given here it seems as though for whatever reason, perhaps whatever reason the fall out was over, he doesn’t want you to spend time with his family or maybe his family has told him they don’t want to spend time with you and so he is passing on the messages.

I honestly don’t know why you’d even think of having a child in this situation regardless, a baby won’t fix anything with them and will only make things worse.

MrsColinRobinson · 13/11/2024 12:03

FcukTheDay · 12/11/2024 20:28

I am confused 😕 Are you saying that you are not allowing him to spend time alone with their siblings because the siblings do not wish to talk to you? And are you getting upset about hypothetical situations with children that haven't been born yet.

As someone who has experienced DA, I genuinely don't think OP is experiencing abuse.

If we altered the post to my husband won't let me see family members 1-1 because he doesn't get on with my Mum then we would all jump on to say this absue and coercive control.

Edited

Totally agree with this

DecayedStrumpet · 13/11/2024 12:22

As long as my husband gets what he wants with his family, he will not leave me; if i tell him he can stay with me, not have kids and meet his family, he will snap that up and i will be childless for rest of my life possibly. I would resent him so much for it that it would be the end of our marriage. In short, if we stop trying for kids, i dont think we will ever resolve this to apoint where we will start again and that resentment will kill our marriage anyway

This summarises as "if we don't have kids our marriage will fall apart"
... That's a terrible reason to have kids

TheShellBeach · 13/11/2024 12:34

Honestly OP whatever the rights and wrongs of this, and FWIW I think your husband is abusive, it would be very foolish to bring a child into this relationship.

AlexandrinaH · 13/11/2024 12:35

TheShellBeach · 13/11/2024 12:34

Honestly OP whatever the rights and wrongs of this, and FWIW I think your husband is abusive, it would be very foolish to bring a child into this relationship.

They both are.

INeedAnotherName · 13/11/2024 13:07

You keep repeating that your husband doesn't support you, not even in private. You mentioned that HE doesn't want you near his family so it's not just them.

A real husband/wife supports their partner, encourages them, helps them to be the best they can be together, he doesn't say get the fuck away from my family.

Your marriage is over. Stop TTC and see a solicitor instead.

Opentooffers · 13/11/2024 14:57

OP, you have an odd way of describing events, and avoid telling details, its hard to give an opinion when you are being vague. It is selfish to bring children into a failing marriage. He was right to not want to do IVF because of the problems, really he should of stuck to his guns and refused IVF. If you left because of it, it would be doing both of you a favour.
To have an idea of how to resolve things we need to know, what you fell out with his DM about? Also, you don't like 1on 1 family meets - how often do these take place?

LifeExperience · 13/11/2024 15:06

Hyperbolebaba · 12/11/2024 19:47

Ok fine; would you also find it abusive if your husband says he doesnt want your children to visit people he hasnt seen in years (him being an equal parent)?

Yes, it's abusive. These people would be your child's family. Unless they are a threat to the child he/she and your dh would have every right to see them.

Why are you avoiding telling us what the falling out with mil was about? Whether you're being unreasonable or not hinges on the answer to that.

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